Who Would You Rather Draft?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='16 July 2010 - 12:23 PM' timestamp='1279297419' post='433487']
Forte or Slaton (both had pheonomenal fantasy rookie years, could have just been a sophomore slump?)

Spiller or Bush

Boldin or Desean Jackson
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[b]Forte[/b] because he's still slated as the #1 guy. Slaton will probably only see the field on passing downs and is coming back from a major neck injury. Plus he's got Ben Tate who could very easily take over the starting role.

[b]Michael Bush[/b]. Oh....you probably mean Reggie Bush. (I'd still take Micheal before Reggie). But between Reggie Bush and Spiller. It's Reggie. He's in a better spot to succeed. He finished strong and is on a powerful offense. Spiller won't be the starting back, he's on a weak offense and their is uncertainty at the QB position (red flag for RBs).

I'm still not the biggest Jackson fan. But I do have to realize that he's the #1 WR in a passing first system. He's explosive. I do like Boldin but here are some facts about his fantasy situation. 1) He's never been the #1 guy 2) For WRs he has the 31st hardest schedule and #3)He struggles to play healthy for a whole season. So it's [b]Jackson[/b].

[PuRock]

Here's some tougher ones. Because a quality bench is important

Donald Brown or Justin Forsett
Lee Evans or Devin Aromashodu
Owen Daniels or Chris Cooley

[ed.s52]

[quote name='PuRock' date='16 July 2010 - 09:15 AM' timestamp='1279300501' post='433500']
Here's some tougher ones. Because a quality bench is important

Donald Brown or Justin Forsett
Lee Evans or Devin Aromashodu
Owen Daniels or Chris Cooley
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[b]Justin Forsett[/b]. I expect Forsett to start for at least some of the season and he plays the Rams twice. Brown probably won't start and if he does the Colts still run the ball less than anybody. If anything, I will take Forsett just to put him in for the Rams game (if he starts).

[b]Lee Evans[/b]. The Bills offense is straight horrible. No QB, a old RB, no OL, but what they do have going for them is Lee Evans. We have already seen that they don't like Lynch, and Jackson probably can't carry a full load anymore, so if anything they will throw it to their best offensive player and see what happens (and in no way will Spiller take a bulk of the carries, I can't see it).

This one is a harder one, but I have to go with [b]Chris Cooley[/b]. I almost took Daniels, but Donnavan is bound to make a relationship with the Pro Bowl TE, who is his only target except Santana Moss (even Randle El left), while in Texas they have Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter, who both will probably be the #1 and #2 targets, with Daniels as a #3 (or #4 if Ben Tate or Slaton become the #3), while Cooley will probably be the #2 after Moss, Just like how Celek was the #2 in Philly behind DeSean.

Next question...

Without Homerism,

Derrick Mason or Santonio Holmes

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='15 July 2010 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1279227534' post='433241']
Moss no doubt because Maclin is a 3rd or 4th (depending on McCoy) receiving option, McNabb>Kolb, and I think Santana is just flat out better than Maclin right now.

And obviously there is some luck for every Super Bowl run, but when you need luck against the Rams, with all your starters playing, and luck against the then horrific Redskins, thats saying something. Also, the 2000 Ravens are better than the Saints, you can call it homerism but we had a complete fearsome team (other than our QB). The Saints just aren't as good as the 2000 Ravens, they had a better offense but not too much considering we had a 2000 yard rusher and Shannon Sharpe, still better offense but the defenses can't even be compared.
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The Rams were terrible but they're still an NFL team and were probably extra motivated to face a team as hot as the Saints were. As for the Redskins game, they had a bad season but definitely had some talented players as well. Devin Thomas ate Chris McAlister alive that game and again, motivation likely played a factor in their performance. It's like when the Pats came to Baltimore back in '07 and were almost upset by a Ravens team in the midst of a poor season.
And I was never comparing the 2000 Ravens to last year's Saints. I simply brought up a similar situation where luck led to a win.

[quote name='PuRock' date='16 July 2010 - 01:11 PM' timestamp='1279300293' post='433499']
[b]Michael Bush[/b]. Oh....you probably mean Reggie Bush. [i](I'd still take Micheal before Reggie).[/i]
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So would I. I'm pretty high on Michael this year.

[quote name='PuRock' date='16 July 2010 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1279300501' post='433500']
Here's some tougher ones. Because a quality bench is important

Donald Brown or Justin Forsett
Lee Evans or Devin Aromashodu
Owen Daniels or Chris Cooley
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These [i]are[/i] pretty tough...

I'd have to [b]Brown[/b] over Forsett. Even though he won't see field as much because Joseph Addai is a better pass protector and good enough running the ball and catching it to remain the starter, Brown would be in line for serious carries if Addai went down. Forsett has to deal with a recuperating Leon Washington and Julius Jones. If Washington suffered a setback or Jones went down, Forsett would likely become a quality option but I'd still only invest a late-round pick in Justin if my backfield was pretty strong already.

[b]Aromashodu[/b] has more competition but also has more upside than Evans. Buffalo have pretty bad offense on paper all around expect for their backfield and Evans has been productive in the past when there wasn't much talent around him. But Aromashodu has a better QB throwing to him and more talent surrounding him to draw attention away.

There are a number of back-up TEs I'd rather have than Cooley or Daniels but if I had to choose one, I'd go with [b]Cooley[/b]. Daniels is coming off an ACL tear and has torn it twice before. Cooley is coming off a broken ankle and has to deal with Fred Davis who did big things for the Redskins last season. However, McNabb loves throwing to TEs and the Santana Moss aside, the Redskins have little at WR meaning Cooley will get his targets.

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[quote name='ed.s52' date='16 July 2010 - 02:39 PM' timestamp='1279305590' post='433523']
[b]Lee Evans[/b]. The Bills offense is straight horrible. No QB, [b]a old RB[/b], no OL, but what they do have going for them is Lee Evans. We have already seen that they don't like Lynch, [b]and Jackson probably can't carry a full load anymore[/b], so if anything they will throw it to their best offensive player and see what happens (and in no way will Spiller take a bulk of the carries, I can't see it).
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Jackson is 29 but he has little tread on his tires. He's going into his 5 NFL season and has carried the ball only 425 times.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='16 July 2010 - 10:59 AM' timestamp='1279306747' post='433530']
Jackson is 29 but he has little tread on his tires. He's going into his 5 NFL season and has carried the ball only 425 times.
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I didn't know that 2nd part, but most RB's careers (or at least production during their career) ends at 30.

That second part does change things up but I'm still taking Evans because he is the only target Buffalo has.

[ed.s52]

And about the luck, they got lucky tons of times, with one of the easiest schedules.

Off the top of my head, I can think of the Minnesota game (whether it's the Favre pick or the bad officiating), the Rams game, the Bucs game, the Skins game (if the kicker didnt choke they wouldve lost), and the fact that the Cardinals got a lucky touchdown in OT against the Pack.

I think the Packers coulda beat the Saints in the playoffs, or at least do better than the Cards did.

And they are an NFL team, but the Rams only had one victory last year. If they had beaten the Saints I think that would have crushed their hot streak and they woulda went 12-4 or 11-5, which would hurt their chances at a Super Bowl.

And the Rams still suck, besides Otogwe, their secondary is horrible, and their offense, besides Steven Jackson, is just terrible.

Not to mention, the Saints shoulda been even more motivated by the fact of what they were playing for (the whole Hurrican Katrina deal) and the fact that they had a legit shot at an undefeated season.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='16 July 2010 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1279307288' post='433537']
I didn't know that 2nd part, but most RB's careers (or at least production during their career) ends at 30.

That second part does change things up but I'm still taking Evans because he is the only target Buffalo has.
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True, but the RBs whose careers go downhill fast around 30 are guys who've had multiple 250 to 300-carry season prior.

Evans being Buffalo's only legitimate WR is a double-edged sword. He'll get his targets but teams will key on him.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='16 July 2010 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1279307955' post='433546']
True, but the RBs whose careers go downhill fast around 30 are guys who've had multiple 250 to 300-carry season prior.

Evans being Buffalo's only legitimate WR is a double-edged sword. He'll get his targets but teams will key on him.
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Yea, but age still affects them even if they haven't had that many carries. But since he isn't a speed back, it wouldnt affect him as much as an LT.

That true about him being a double-edged sword, but I look at him as a poor mans Derrick Mason, in that he is the only target worth throwing too unless the others are wide open or the pass is a check down to the RB, and the running game is scarieir than the passing game, so even if teams key in on evans they will probably play more pass heavy sets. Either way I see an 750 yard-ish season, which really isnt that bad for a backup fantasy player.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='16 July 2010 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1279309166' post='433556']
Yea, but age still affects them even if they haven't had that many carries. But since he isn't a speed back, it wouldnt affect him as much as an LT.

That true about him being a double-edged sword, but I look at him as a poor mans Derrick Mason, in that he is the only target worth throwing too unless the others are wide open or the pass is a check down to the RB, and the running game is scarieir than the passing game, so even if teams key in on evans they will probably play more pass heavy sets. Either way I see an 750 yard-ish season, which really isnt that bad for a backup fantasy player.
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We'll see. I think Aromashodu offers more upside but things could change with an injury or unexpected emergence.

[ed.s52]

I'm taking Evans because he is more of a sure thing, he will get 500+ yards no matter what barring injury.

Aromashodu is more risky considering receivers like Knox and Hester may get more time and balls than him, and Matt Forte may make an emergence, causing more running in the offensive scheme.

I will admit though, his performance against the Vikings last year was sick.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='16 July 2010 - 03:52 PM' timestamp='1279309938' post='433564']
I'm taking Evans because he is more of a sure thing, he will get 500+ yards no matter what barring injury.

Aromashodu is more risky considering receivers like Knox and Hester may get more time and balls than him, and Matt Forte may make an emergence, causing more running in the offensive scheme.

I will admit though, his performance against the Vikings last year was sick.
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Yes, Evans has a proven track record and Aromashodu has more competition but none of his fellow WRs are top options either. Hester has struggled as a WR and Knox and Bennett are still developing too. Forte could have a better season but with Mike Martz as the OC, the Bears will be passing more.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='PuRock' date='16 July 2010 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1279300501' post='433500']
Here's some tougher ones. Because a quality bench is important

Donald Brown or Justin Forsett
Lee Evans or Devin Aromashodu
Owen Daniels or Chris Cooley
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I'd say Forsett, because the QB situation in Seattle is a little gray behind hassleback who.. lets face it, is injury prone

My gut is saying lee evans primarily because I haven't heard of the other guy

I want to say Daniels he is the better TE imo... just gets hurt too much (but when he's healthy he's very good) but I'm gonna have to say Cooley primarily for the same reason mentioned.... McNabb has to throw to somebody

[ed.s52]

Matt Ryan and Andre Johnson or Aaron Rodgers and Anquan Boldin?

I thought making em in pairs would make this excitine. Me personally, I'm taking Ryan and Johnson but what do yall think.

[RavensTown]

Yeah I'm taking Ryan and Johnson. I'm not part of the Rodgers-fever. Plus I don't see Boldin being an outstanding Fantasy option. There's more attractive options like Eddie Royal and Joshua Cribbs. Johnson is a no-brainer, hes the #1 in Texas. Ryan is also the starter in Atlanta and is set up for success. If you combine them, Ryan and Johnson will get you more fantasy points consistently.

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[quote name='RavensTown' date='16 July 2010 - 09:43 PM' timestamp='1279331008' post='433675']
Yeah I'm taking Ryan and Johnson. I'm not part of the Rodgers-fever. Plus I don't see Boldin being an outstanding Fantasy option. [b]There's more attractive options like Eddie Royal and Joshua Cribbs.[/b] Johnson is a no-brainer, hes the #1 in Texas. Ryan is also the starter in Atlanta and is set up for success. If you combine them, Ryan and Johnson will get you more fantasy points consistently.
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How are either of those players more attractive options? Royal will likely catch more than the 37 balls he did last season but Q is still a better player in an even better situation. As for Cribbs, even in expanded role he scored 5 total TDs last year.

[RavensTown]

Royal played extremely well at the end of the season with the absence of Marshall. With Marshall gone I can see Royal being the #1 in Denver. Plus Cribbs has a more experience QB this year which will help with receiving. Plus Cribbs played QB in college, and maybe this year the Browns will use that to run a modified wild-cat. Besides, we're a running team, not a passing team. I'm not saying I'd start either of the two, but they add good depth.

[ed.s52]

Yea dude really, if you said Steve Smith, Marques Colston, or even Hines Ward I might agree, but Royal and Cribbs?

And I actually do have some Rodgers fever, I'm just not very high on QB's in fantasy, because if I waited till the last round I could still draft someone like David Garrard or Alex Smith who will get at least 15-20 TD's and 3500-ish yards.

Thats why Im takin Andre, I mean he is a straight animal, and I expect Ryan to break, or at least approach 4000 yards this season.

[RavensTown]

Well I view Boldin as a backup, not a starter. So that's who I'm comparing him with.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='16 July 2010 - 09:36 PM' timestamp='1279330584' post='433670']
Matt Ryan and Andre Johnson or Aaron Rodgers and Anquan Boldin?

I thought making em in pairs would make this excitine. Me personally, I'm taking Ryan and Johnson but what do yall think.
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Easy one. Ryan and Johnson. I'd take the Stud WR over the Stud QB any day of the week. Plus the reports out of Atlanta is they are going to open the playbook for Matt Ryan. I'm high on Ryan this year. I wasn't last year.

In standard/flex 12 team league mock drafts (14 rounds), Royal and Cribbs are both going undrafted. So if wouldn't advise drafting them, let them sit on the waiver wire. Royal is no #1 reciever. He's flaming out like all the other VT receivers.

[PuRock]

Here's an interesting one.

Marion Barber or Felix Jones

[ed.s52]

I like that one. Its pretty close for me but I'm taking Marion just because we don't know who will start, but regardless of who does Barber will get the goaline touches.

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[quote name='RavensTown' date='16 July 2010 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1279331711' post='433680']
Royal played extremely well at the end of the season with the absence of Marshall. With Marshall gone I can see Royal being the #1 in Denver. Plus Cribbs has a more experience QB this year which will help with receiving. Plus Cribbs played QB in college, and maybe this year the Browns will use that to run a modified wild-cat. Besides, we're a running team, not a passing team. I'm not saying I'd start either of the two, but they add good depth.
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Even if Royal does becomes the #1 target in Denver, he still isn't a better fantasy option than Q.

As for Cribbs, even when Derek Anderson had a big season back in 2007, Cribbs did nothing at WR. He's simply not a good WR. And no matter how much Wildcat the Browns run, Cribbs won't be as productive as Boldin.

[quote name='PuRock' date='16 July 2010 - 10:38 PM' timestamp='1279334331' post='433710']
Here's an interesting one.

Marion Barber or Felix Jones
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Jones has the potential for big plays but Barber is almost assured most of the work within the 20s. I'd go with Jones because from what I've read the Cowboys want to get him the ball. I'd keep an eye on Tashard Choice though because Felix isn't exactly durable.

[PuRock]

Late 1st/Early 2nd who do you go with:

Randy Moss or Reggie Wayne

[ed.s52]

Thats tough, I would go with Moss because of the lack of TD's Wayne puts up, but it also depends on the bye weeks of my target players. Still, I'm taking Moss.

DeSean Jackson or Sidney Rice?

[ed.s52]

Actually I have a better one,

Donnavan McNabb or Kevin Kolb?

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[quote name='PuRock' date='19 July 2010 - 05:00 PM' timestamp='1279573246' post='434566']
Late 1st/Early 2nd who do you go with:

Randy Moss or Reggie Wayne
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Straight cash homey!

I'm not really high on Wayne this year despite how consistent he's been over the years. He's still the best WR on the team but is slowing down and now had three other WRs to compete with in addition to Clark.

Much was made of Moss's effort last season but he's still an elite playmaker and with Brady two years removed from his ACL tear, Randy should have another big year.

[quote name='ed.s52' date='19 July 2010 - 10:17 PM' timestamp='1279592270' post='434699']
Actually I have a better one,

Donnavan McNabb or Kevin Kolb?
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The Eagles have better weapons, a better o-line and will more than likely continue to pass more than the Redskins. Kolb is the easy choice for me.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='20 July 2010 - 01:25 AM' timestamp='1279603555' post='434771']
Much was made of Moss's effort last season but he's still an elite playmaker and with Brady two years removed from his ACL tear, Randy should have another big year.
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It's also important to note that Moss is in the final year of his contract. If he wants one more nice payday, he'll have to perform this season. So I expect his level of motivation to be greater than last year.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='16 July 2010 - 12:23 PM' timestamp='1279297419' post='433487']
Forte or Slaton (both had pheonomenal fantasy rookie years, could have just been a sophomore slump?)

Spiller or Bush

Boldin or Desean Jackson
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I guess Forte because I think Slaton's injury is going to prevent him from being an effective back for he rest of his career. Hopefully i'm wrong but I am not high on Forte at all.

If its Reggie Bush or Michael Bush I would take both over Spiller. Bills just suck and have 3 very good backs.

Jackson will be in a pass offense more than Boldin. Jackson.

Turner or Gore

Jennings or Miles Austin

[PuRock]

[quote name='lowrider' date='20 July 2010 - 09:55 AM' timestamp='1279634117' post='434869']
Turner or Gore

Jennings or Miles Austin
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If you are in a PPR league its [b]Gore[/b]. I have lofty expectations for Gore as well as the entire San Fran offense. Gore will get his touches, he'll get his dump off passes and he'll get the touchdowns. On top of that he'll miss his prerequisite 2 games a season. If you add Gore expect to pick up Coffee in a late round, just in case.

Good one. I'd like to say Jennings, I think he'll have a bounce back year. But at the moment I have to go with [b]Austin[/b]. You should be able to get better value with Jennings though. Austin has some good chemistry going on with Romo and he should continue to be a do all man for the Cowboys.