Who Would You Rather Draft?

[PuRock]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='12 July 2010 - 12:15 AM' timestamp='1278908159' post='431753']
Matt Ryan or Eli Manning
Shonne Greene or Cedric Benson
Brent Celek or Tony Gonzalez
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Gotta go with [b]Eli Manning[/b] this year. The Giants seem to be developing into a passing team, go figure. They have some young explosive weapons at WR.

If [b]Benson[/b] isn't suspended it's him. Just because LT and even McKnight will eat into Greene's production.

I was going to say Celek. But when I looked up Target stats for 2009 it amazed me to find out that Gonzales led all TE's in targets. 135 to Dallas Clark's 132. That's pretty impressive. He also had 2 less touchdowns than Celek. So I'm changing my mind [b]Gonzales[/b].

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' date='12 July 2010 - 09:16 AM' timestamp='1278940611' post='431795']
Gotta go with [b]Eli Manning[/b] this year. The Giants seem to be developing into a passing team, go figure. They have some young explosive weapons at WR.

If [b]Benson[/b] isn't suspended it's him. Just because LT and even McKnight will eat into Greene's production.

I was going to say Celek. But when I looked up Target stats for 2009 it amazed me to find out that Gonzales led all TE's in targets. 135 to Dallas Clark's 132. That's pretty impressive. He also had 2 less touchdowns than Celek. So I'm changing my mind [b]Gonzales[/b].
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I agree with Eli over Ryan and Benson over Greene but I have to go with Celek over Gonzo. In the two games Kolb started last season, Celek 16 balls for 208 yards and a TD. It's a small sample size but he and Kolb obviously have chemistry, they're reportedly good friends and roommates on the road. Should be another big year for Mr.Celek.

[Romo Ravens]

Here's a situation I pray I won't have to be in this year: Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson?

Ray Rice or MJD?

[RavensTown]

[quote name='PuRock' date='07 July 2010 - 10:18 PM' timestamp='1278559092' post='430380']
Let's get the fantasy chatter going with a little question and answer. List two players who are of equal value in each of the following categories WR, RB , (QB or TE).

Who would you rather draft and why:
WR: Derrick Mason or Pierre Garcon
RB: LeSean McCoy or Shonn Greene
QB: Chad Henne or Matt Cassell

Answer and ask three more.
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Garcon: For the obvious reasons.

Greene: Greene did a great job running the football for the Jets at the end of the season. He might not get all the touches with LT in NY now but he's still more valuable if you ask me.

Henne: Henne has weapons around him, including Brandon Marshall. He might get another weapon with the supplemental draft coming up soon. Also the running game in Miami is solid so he has a good leg rest.

WR: Wes Welker. Big sleeper here. He is expected to start week 1 or 2 to my knowledge, plus with his injury last year he's so low in the rankings most people forget about him.

RB: Reggie Bush. This is my man. He wasn't the stud we all wanted to see in the beginning and middle of the season, but if he runs this entire season like he did at the end of the season, running through tacklers and being more physical, he'll be beast.

QB: Matt Leinart. I know just mentioning the name brings on criticism, but hear me out. This guy is set up for success. Nobody else is more set up for success then him then Flacco and Ryan. This guy gets to come in with Fitzgerald and Breaston. It might take him a week or two, or he may iron himself out in the preseason, but if you ask me if he gets use to starting he'll be as good as he was in his college days.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='12 July 2010 - 08:02 PM' timestamp='1278979372' post='432032']
Here's a situation I pray I won't have to be in this year: Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson?

Ray Rice or MJD?
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Hate to say it but I'd go with Mighty Mouse. He's not only without a doubt the best player on Jacksonville's offense but the team period. People doubted whether he could shoulder the load going into last season and he proved them wrong with almost 1400 yards, 15 rushing TDs, and almost 400 receiving yards and a score on a pretty bad team.

He's guaranteed to get more touches than most RBs and is almost guaranteed to produce.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='12 July 2010 - 08:02 PM' timestamp='1278979372' post='432032']
Here's a situation I pray I won't have to be in this year: Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson?

Ray Rice or MJD?
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For me these two are easy.

I'd take AP over CJ. Especially now that Chester Taylor is out of the picture. "But Ryan, AP fumbles a lot". This is true but he is an everything back and gets lots of opportunities to pound the goalline for TDs. CJ has to rely on the home run hitter. What if that home run hitting just isn't there?

MJD. Like EdReed20 stated. MJD will be the offense for the Jags. Lots of touches. Lots of Catches and lots of goal line carries. What's not to like about that?

[lowrider]

[quote name='PuRock' date='13 July 2010 - 09:48 AM' timestamp='1279028931' post='432196']
For me these two are easy.

I'd take AP over CJ. Especially now that Chester Taylor is out of the picture. "But Ryan, AP fumbles a lot". This is true but he is an everything back and gets lots of opportunities to pound the goalline for TDs. CJ has to rely on the home run hitter. What if that home run hitting just isn't there?

MJD. Like EdReed20 stated. MJD will be the offense for the Jags. Lots of touches. Lots of Catches and lots of goal line carries. What's not to like about that?
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AP at the end of the year was banged up and his numbers really dropped off. And that was during fantasy playoffs when he is needed most. They drafted Gerhart so I don't imagine that AP will get the only carries. I think Gerhart will get a decent amount of carries to spell AP and be a replacement for Taylor. Home run hitting isn't the best analogy because baseball is more streaky than football. Running the ball is more on speed and hitting the holes. If he doesn't hit one hole he has 20 more carries to do it unlike in baseball where you get a few at bats. For me I'd rather have CJ because his running style is all speed and he doesn't try to be a bruising back so he has less of a chance to get hurt. So hopefully he stays healthy during fantasy playoffs.

Agree with you about MJD and Rice. Rice won't get the goalline carries like MJD

[ed.s52]

[quote name='lowrider' date='13 July 2010 - 06:44 AM' timestamp='1279032282' post='432208']
AP at the end of the year was banged up and his numbers really dropped off. And that was during fantasy playoffs when he is needed most. They drafted Gerhart so I don't imagine that AP will get the only carries. I think Gerhart will get a decent amount of carries to spell AP and be a replacement for Taylor. Home run hitting isn't the best analogy because baseball is more streaky than football. Running the ball is more on speed and hitting the holes. If he doesn't hit one hole he has 20 more carries to do it unlike in baseball where you get a few at bats. For me I'd rather have CJ because his running style is all speed and he doesn't try to be a bruising back so he has less of a chance to get hurt. So hopefully he stays healthy during fantasy playoffs.

Agree with you about MJD and Rice. Rice won't get the goalline carries like MJD
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Ya, no doubt I will take CJ over AP for one simple reason... Brett Favre. If he retires, its obviously AP, but I really don't see that happening.

As for MJD vs. Rice, MJD means everything to their offense. If they still had Fred Taylor and had the ferocious tandem they had a couple of years ago, I would take Rice, but the Jags really have no one to spell MJD for carries. We have McGahee and a great passing offense while Garrard and MSW is decent, maybe. No doubt it is MJD.

[ZIBBY28]

Wes Welker or Dwayne Bowe?
Pierre Thomas or Ryan Grant?
Tony Romo or Tom Brady?

I'm liking this thread... kudos PR

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' date='13 July 2010 - 06:01 PM' timestamp='1279058467' post='432400']
[b]Wes Welker or Dwayne Bowe?
Pierre Thomas or Ryan Grant?[/b]
Tony Romo or Tom Brady?

I'm liking this thread... kudos PR
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I'm taking Bowe over Welker simply because of the amount of targets Bowe gets(even though he drop one or two.

I have a man-crush on the PT Bruiser so there's no way I'm taking Grant over him even though Ryan is a quiet but steady player.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' date='13 July 2010 - 06:01 PM' timestamp='1279058467' post='432400']
Wes Welker or Dwayne Bowe?
Pierre Thomas or Ryan Grant?
Tony Romo or Tom Brady?

I'm liking this thread... kudos PR
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I thought it would be a good thread. Plus I just wanted to talk about some fantasy not about leagues.

Yesterday I would've said Welker. But after considering the fact that Bowe should do well in Charlie Weis's system and there will be a rushing attack to boot. I'm liking [b]Bowe[/b]. Ask me tomorrow it might be Welker again but with his type of game and the injury he had, it will be tough. But if anybody can do it, its probably wes.

[b]Ryan Grant[/b]. Grant is a feature back. He might not always post stellar numbers but he is very valuable. That being said, there is one downside with Grant this year, the Packers schedule. Speaking of which. Check out this awesome webpage that breaks down toughest schedule by team posistion. Very handy. [url="http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/strength_of_schedule.cfm?type=c"]Fantasyplayers SOS[/url]

[b]Brady[/b] but barely. I have Brady ranked 5 and Romo at 6. This is primarily because its Brady. He proved to be back from his injury (still not the same but can do it a whole season). I have faith in Brady, never count that man out he'll surprise you.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' date='13 July 2010 - 02:01 PM' timestamp='1279058467' post='432400']
Wes Welker or Dwayne Bowe?
Pierre Thomas or Ryan Grant?
Tony Romo or Tom Brady?

I'm liking this thread... kudos PR
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No doubt [b]Bowe[/b], for many reasons. Welker is injured and Moss is still bound to be targeted even with Welker on the field. Bowe is a #1 receiver and although he has a decent #2 in Chambers, he isn't good enough anymore to eat into Bowe's receptions although they can't just leave him uncovered. Also, the fact that Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones are beast will likely result in run-heavy sets, although their passing game still has bright spots and won't be ignored. Although Welker does have the benefit of being in a pass first offense, the fact that he is injured and that they have another star receiver will hurt his production. This also depends on whether the league is PPR, where taking Welker would make more sense, but I still wouldn't do it.

[b]Grant[/b] no doubt. Although Grant isn't the best RB, he is tough and consistently racks up yards. Although the Pack are a passing team they can rely on Grant if need be and he will continue to get his carries and he has the benefit of a good D which will create turnovers and give the ball to the O more. Thomas is in a strictly passing team, and I see the Saints having a big drop off from lat year.If they make the playoffs, I see them only doing it by one or two wins. They have a hard schedule and they really aren't THAT great of a team, they just hit a hot streak and hit the league unexpectedly.Bush is bound to see more carries this year to determine whether he is TRULY a bust, like he probably is, slightly taking away from Thomas. Greant will probably pull in another 1250 year while Thomas would be lucky to break 1000 yards rushing.

[b]Brady[/b] all day. Romo may have gotten new receivers, and there is a rumor on Wiki they signed TO, but they have a ferocious running game. Although I hate both quarterbacks and think both are semi-overrated, the simple fact that Brady is a top 5 QB on a strictly passing team with Wes Welker and Randy Moss will play in his favor. Romo is an inconssistent, really not that great QB who has a 1 year standout, and a rookie along with contract bust of a FA. Tom Brady is simply better, and in a better situation to rack up yards, although Romo has a better shot at the [i]Bug Dance[/i].

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='13 July 2010 - 11:21 PM' timestamp='1279077693' post='432567']
[b]Grant[/b] no doubt. Although Grant isn't the best RB, he is tough and consistently racks up yards. Although the Pack are a passing team they can rely on Grant if need be and he will continue to get his carries and he has the benefit of a good D which will create turnovers and give the ball to the O more. [i][b]Thomas is in a strictly passing team[/b][/i], and I see the Saints having a big drop off from lat year.If they make the playoffs, I see them only doing it by one or two wins. They have a hard schedule and they really aren't THAT great of a team, they just hit a hot streak and hit the league unexpectedly.[i][b]Bush is bound to see more carries this year to determine whether he is TRULY a bust, like he probably is, slightly taking away from Thomas.[/b][/i] Greant will probably pull in another 1250 year [b]while Thomas would be lucky to break 1000 yards rushing.[/b]
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We'll see how they evolve this season but the Saints were 6th in the league in rushing last season(one spot behind the Ravens).

As for Reggie Bush, he'll get more carries with the absence of Mike Bell but his carries have decreased the last three years(he had a whopping 70 last year) and Thomas has proven he's a better runner. Bush's role as a situational runner and pass-catcher has been clearly defined and I don't see the Saints taking many carries away from Pierre just to see whether Reggie is a bust. Thomas should break 1000 yards this season barring injury.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='13 July 2010 - 07:31 PM' timestamp='1279078287' post='432571']
We'll see how they evolve this season but the Saints were 6th in the league in rushing last season(one spot behind the Ravens).

As for Reggie Bush, he'll get more carries with the absence of Mike Bell but his carries have decreased the last three years(he had a whopping 70 last year) and Thomas has proven he's a better runner. Bush's role as a situational runner and pass-catcher has been clearly defined and I don't see the Saints taking many carries away from Pierre just to see whether Reggie is a bust. Thomas should break 1000 yards this season barring injury.
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This for me is not just based on the fact that I don't expect Thomas to have a great season, but that I don't expect the Saints to.

Like I said, I expect the Saints not to acheive sucess like last year. I expect a 9-7ish season while the Packers will probably do much better, more along the lines of 12-4.

Also, I expect Bush not only to get more carries because Bell is gone but for the Saints try and tap into his potential and because he is a homerun hitter. I'm not saying they will give him a lot of carries but they may try to tap into his potential this year.

And there is the fact the Saints pretty much only pass, while the Pack gives a good number of carries to Grant, and the fact that Grant imo is simply better than Thomas.

Next question:
Chad Ochocinco or Michael Crabtree

[Romo Ravens]

I'd have to take Crabtree. He plays NFC West secondaries, and all three teams just flat out suck. The only real issue is Alex Smith. Can he hit Crabtree on a consistent basis, and is he explosive/a red zone threat? You're drafting him based off of potential, and I hate doing that, but I just have a special feeling towards Crabtree.

I think that Ochocinco is a great WR, but there's just too many weapons in that offense now, and can Carson Palmer stay healthy? Playing the Ravens and Steelers twice don't help either. I'd probably draft either or as my WR 3. That would be great depth.

Knowshon Moreno or LeSean McCoy
Jay Cutler or Kevin Kolb
Percy Harvin or Jahvid Best

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='13 July 2010 - 10:47 PM' timestamp='1279090033' post='432627']
I'd have to take Crabtree. He plays NFC West secondaries, and all three teams just flat out suck. The only real issue is Alex Smith. Can he hit Crabtree on a consistent basis, and is he explosive/a red zone threat? You're drafting him based off of potential, and I hate doing that, but I just have a special feeling towards Crabtree.

I think that Ochocinco is a great WR, but there's just too many weapons in that offense now, and can Carson Palmer stay healthy? Playing the Ravens and Steelers twice don't help either. I'd probably draft either or as my WR 3. That would be great depth.

Knowshon Moreno or LeSean McCoy
Jay Cutler or Kevin Kolb
Percy Harvin or Jahvid Best
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Knowshon no doubt. Without Marshall their passing game is decent at best and although LeSean might be equal fantasy wise in reality Knowshon is just flat out better.

Cutler. This was a close one. Both have fatal flaws, Kolb being completely unproven and Cutler throwing too many picks. If it got to this I would rather wait and draft Rothlesberger or Carson Palmer, although then I would make sure to get a quality backup like Alex Smith, David Garrard, or Vince Young. Just based on gut and the fact that Cutler plays the Lions twice I would go with him.

Oh different positions, throwing me a littler curveball. Still, I would take Harvin. Best, although very good, is more of a Reggie Bush type with injury problems. Not to mention Kevin Smith is still bound to get a good portion of the carries and if Best proves he can run between the tackles and stay healthy he will be a part of one of the great NFL RB tandems, but those are two BIG Ifs. Harvin was the Offensive ROY and is bound to take the #2 receiving position from Berrian. Harvin should destroy next year assuming Favre comes back and is one of the highlights of his class.

Next question...

Alex Smith or David Garrard

[PuRock]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='13 July 2010 - 11:58 PM' timestamp='1279079884' post='432578']
This for me is not just based on the fact that I don't expect Thomas to have a great season, but that I don't expect the Saints to.

Next question:
Chad Ochocinco or Michael Crabtree
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Plus there's always the post superbowl loll w/ the Saints.

[b]Crabtree[/b]. I'm a big Crabtree fan this year. Even when he was playing last year you could see the 49ers wanted to get him the ball. With a full training camp (and good news about his hard work ethic coming out of it) I fully expect Crabtree to play very well this year. Ocho Cinco has one of the hardest schedules for WRs and the Bengals have to duplicate success two years in a row. Which makes it hard to pick him.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='14 July 2010 - 02:47 AM' timestamp='1279090033' post='432627']
Knowshon Moreno or LeSean McCoy
Jay Cutler or Kevin Kolb
Percy Harvin or Jahvid Best
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This is one of the toughest ones I battle with in my head. As it sits now I have [b]Knowshon[/b] before McCoy. But I'm a big McCoy fan. He will pretty much take off where Westbrook left off. The only down side to McCoy is Mike Bell who will snag those goal line touchdowns. But you can't discount McCoy in a PPR league. The reports are that Moreno added muscle and is playing healthy at training camp. Which can only mean big things for him. He should have a lot of focus in the Broncos offense. Last year he played fantastic for being a rookie, playing through injuries and being a bit undersized.

[b]Jay Cutler[/b]. You can't shy away from the fact that he is now in a Mike Martz system. Plus he has the 4th easiest schedule for a QB.

What?!? Apples to Oranges?!? I haven't combined my categories into BPA yet. But I'm liking J[b]avid Best[/b]. He can easly slip in and be the only guy in Detroit. And with Stafford progressing another year which should make life easier on the running game. I gotta give it to the possible full-time back.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='13 July 2010 - 11:58 PM' timestamp='1279079884' post='432578']
This for me is not just based on the fact that I don't expect Thomas to have a great season, but that I don't expect the Saints to.

Like I said, I expect the Saints not to acheive sucess like last year. I expect a 9-7ish season while the Packers will probably do much better, more along the lines of 12-4.

Also, I expect Bush not only to get more carries because Bell is gone but for the Saints [b]try and tap into his potential and because he is a homerun hitter[/b]. I'm not saying they will give him a lot of carries but they may try to tap into his potential this year.

[b]And there is the fact the Saints pretty much only pass[/b], while the Pack gives a good number of carries to Grant, and the fact that Grant imo is simply better than Thomas.

Next question:
Chad Ochocinco or Michael Crabtree
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I can't change your opinions about the Saints struggles or whose the better player between Thomas and Grant but Bush has [b]not[/b] been been a home run thus far in his NFL career(the longest rush of his career is 55 yards). And like I pointed out before(which you ignored) the Saints were one the best running teams in the league last season. That may change this season but we'll just have to and see.


[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='14 July 2010 - 02:47 AM' timestamp='1279090033' post='432627']
Knowshon Moreno or LeSean McCoy
Jay Cutler or Kevin Kolb
Percy Harvin or Jahvid Best
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I'd have to go with Moreno over McCoy. The Eagles are still a passing team and they have two other players in Leonard Weaver and Mike Bell that run the ball very well. The only competition Moreno has is Correll Buckhalter who turns 32 this year. Both are good receivers out of the backfield but I see Moreno as a better inside runner which will lead to more carries.

As for the QBs, I'm taking Cutler over Kolb. Kolb has more impressive weapons at his disposal but playing under Martz's system alone will help Cutler's numbers.

Between Best and Harvin, I'm taking Best all day. The Lions have been raving about him and like PuRock said, the man could easily be getting 25-30 touches at some point this upcoming season. I like Harvin but Best offers more potential in my opnion.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='14 July 2010 - 09:50 AM' timestamp='1279129809' post='432792']
I can't change your opinions about the Saints struggles or whose the better player between Thomas and Grant but Bush has [b]not[/b] been been a home run thus far in his NFL career(the longest rush of his career is 55 yards). And like I pointed out before(which you ignored) the Saints were one the best running teams in the league last season. That may change this season but we'll just have to and see.


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I didnt ignore the fact that the Saints were good rushers last year, I simply said I don't expect them to duplicate their sucess. The Saints last year was mainly hype, luck (barely beating the Rams and Skins, and a last second mistake by Brett Favre), and a hot streak. This year I think they will show the league they are mediocre.

It may not change this season, but because of the fact that I think it will, I'm taking Grant over Thomas.

[RavensTown]

Idk why people still don't think the Saints are the best. They beat 13 teams in a season, and how can you talk about the Rams/Skins games when they were playing without their starters. The Saints had at least 4 games where they didn't have all of their starters. They have a killer rushing attack with Bush and Thomas, especially if you watch the film on Bush running at the end of the season last year. A Favre mistake shouldn't discredit the Saints either, he choked and payed for it.

I'm taking Crabtree over Ochocinco. How long has it been since the Bengals had back to back winning seasons? A very long time, I think it was in the 70s.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='RavensTown' date='14 July 2010 - 11:31 AM' timestamp='1279135908' post='432854']
Idk why people still don't think the Saints are the best. They beat 13 teams in a season, and how can you talk about the Rams/Skins games when they were playing without their starters. The Saints had at least 4 games where they didn't have all of their starters. They have a killer rushing attack with Bush and Thomas, especially if you watch the film on Bush running at the end of the season last year. A Favre mistake shouldn't discredit the Saints either, he choked and payed for it.

I'm taking Crabtree over Ochocinco. How long has it been since the Bengals had back to back winning seasons? A very long time, I think it was in the 70s.
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It was actually 81 and 82, although that was the only time they have done it.

Also They played the Rams in Week 10, when they were still competing with Minnesota and a couple other teams for the #1 seed and they weren't even guaranteed a spot in the playoffs. They won 28-23 in a close game.

And againt Wahington was in Week 12 when they were still in competition. They won 33-30 in OT. They would have lost if Meachem didnt strip a DB on an interception and take it for a TD.

The Saints stopped putting in their starters in Week 16, because the week before they lost to Dallas which took away their chances at a perfect season.

And if Favre just ran it and slid, the Vikes would have won. I'm not discreditting them but my point is luck was a big part in their Super Bowl run.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='14 July 2010 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1279137455' post='432869']
I'm not discreditting them but my point is luck was a big part in their Super Bowl run.[/quote]

The same can be said for every Super Bowl run. Sharpe's TD catch off the bobble from Jamal during the Ravens' Super Bowl run is the perfect example.

Staying on topic and in honor of Yahoo's latest Spin Doctors article...

Santana Moss or Jeremy Maclin?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='14 July 2010 - 10:13 PM' timestamp='1279159981' post='433000']
The same can be said for every Super Bowl run. Sharpe's TD catch off the bobble from Jamal during the Ravens' Super Bowl run is the perfect example.

Staying on topic and in honor of Yahoo's latest Spin Doctors article...

Santana Moss or Jeremy Maclin?
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[b]Santana Moss[/b]. Maclin is really the fourth passing option behind Jackson, Celek and McCoy. Plus he seems to be streaky. You'll start him he'll get you 2 points. You sit him - 20 points. Moss finally has the chance to finally play with a top notch QB, with little to no competition. You just have to watch out for Terrell Owens and Moss's maybe suspension.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' date='15 July 2010 - 10:25 AM' timestamp='1279203925' post='433147']
[b]Santana Moss[/b]. Maclin is really the fourth passing option behind Jackson, Celek and McCoy. Plus he seems to be streaky. You'll start him he'll get you 2 points. You sit him - 20 points. Moss finally has the chance to finally play with a top notch QB, with little to no competition. You just have to watch out for Terrell Owens and Moss's maybe suspension.
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Good points. I thought Maclin would be the easy choice when I saw the article but realized Moss is in a better situation.

T.O. in D.C. would be pretty funny. They'd have the best collection of skill players in the league, only 5 years too late.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='14 July 2010 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1279159981' post='433000']
The same can be said for every Super Bowl run. Sharpe's TD catch off the bobble from Jamal during the Ravens' Super Bowl run is the perfect example.

Staying on topic and in honor of Yahoo's latest Spin Doctors article...

Santana Moss or Jeremy Maclin?
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Moss no doubt because Maclin is a 3rd or 4th (depending on McCoy) receiving option, McNabb>Kolb, and I think Santana is just flat out better than Maclin right now.

And obviously there is some luck for every Super Bowl run, but when you need luck against the Rams, with all your starters playing, and luck against the then horrific Redskins, thats saying something. Also, the 2000 Ravens are better than the Saints, you can call it homerism but we had a complete fearsome team (other than our QB). The Saints just aren't as good as the 2000 Ravens, they had a better offense but not too much considering we had a 2000 yard rusher and Shannon Sharpe, still better offense but the defenses can't even be compared.

[RavensTown]

Well hardly anybody can compete with the 2000 Ravens defense. Look at their line-ups, a bunch of their starters sat games with the Rams, Panthers, and Redskins because of minor injuries. Especially on the defense. I see the Saints winning 10 games this year at least. All of the offense is still there, and only a couple are missing on defense. Their secondary, especially safeties, are a force to acknowledge. It will be interesting to see when the Saints come to Baltimore towards the end of the season.

I'm also taking Moss, Maclin just isn't consistent. I'd also look into other options like Cribbs, who reportedly wants the ball more and likes running it more then catching, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the backfield on 3rd down. He's also the Browns return man, so there's some other chances for some fantasy points. Cribbs was the lone bright spot on the Browns last year, now with some more experienced QB's I'll be watching him closely.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='RavensTown' date='15 July 2010 - 01:54 PM' timestamp='1279230841' post='433269']
Well hardly anybody can compete with the 2000 Ravens defense. Look at their line-ups, a bunch of their starters sat games with the Rams, Panthers, and Redskins because of minor injuries. Especially on the defense. I see the Saints winning 10 games this year at least. All of the offense is still there, and only a couple are missing on defense. Their secondary, especially safeties, are a force to acknowledge. It will be interesting to see when the Saints come to Baltimore towards the end of the season.

I'm also taking Moss, Maclin just isn't consistent. I'd also look into other options like Cribbs, who reportedly wants the ball more and likes running it more then catching, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the backfield on 3rd down. He's also the Browns return man, so there's some other chances for some fantasy points. Cribbs was the lone bright spot on the Browns last year, now with some more experienced QB's I'll be watching him closely.
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If Darren Sharper does what he did in the middle of last season, they will be a force, if he plays like normal (meaning not on a hot streak kinda like Flacco in the beginning of last year), I would call them good but not necessarily a force. C-Mac is old, Greer is good but not great, Porter is about average for a starting NFL corner, maybe a litte above average.
Also, Macolm Jenkins moved to FS so he can learn from Sharper and soon suceed him.

I can't leave out attaining Patrick Robinson, but I honestly think they could have gotten a better player with that pick. He may be solid for them in the nickel assuming Greer and Porter start, but we will have to see.

Roman Harper just isnt that great. Starter material, but not that great.

That to me really isn't a force, a force would be like the Jets (even more of one with Kerry Rhodes), the Eagles when the had Sheldon Brown and Brian Dawkins, us with Rod Woodson, a young C-Mac, and Duane Starks; or the Bengals if they had a good safety.

Next Question: Saints D or Dallas D?

[RavensTown]

I'm taking the Saints D. They scored a lot of points last season in a very aggressive style. They're not going to stop people from putting up points but they're going to score. For me, I see Dallas as average in Defense. Sometimes they do great (vs Eagles last season), sometimes they just suck (vs Vikings in Divisional round). It's hard to tell how Dallas is going to do, but I would imagine they have a easier schedule then the Saints. The only deciding factor here for me is I just hate Dallas.

[Reddawn36]

Forte or Slaton (both had pheonomenal fantasy rookie years, could have just been a sophomore slump?)

Spiller or Bush

Boldin or Desean Jackson