Who Would You Rather Draft?

[PuRock]

Let's get the fantasy chatter going with a little question and answer. List two players who are of equal value in each of the following categories WR, RB , (QB or TE).

Who would you rather draft and why:
WR: Derrick Mason or Pierre Garcon
RB: LeSean McCoy or Shonn Greene
QB: Chad Henne or Matt Cassell

Answer and ask three more.

[XxSizzleXx]

Chad Henne - Brandon Marshall will do wonders for him and the passing game, Miami has more talent all around on Offense which will equal more opportunities.

Shonn Greene - IMO LT is washed up and Greene will get most of the touches, plus throw in that the Jets are way more of a running team than the Eagles, again more opportunities.

Pierre Garcon - This one was easily the toughest one to decide but I went with Garcon in the end because of the flashes he has shown when he gets the ball and the fact that we brought in Boldin this year. The fan in me says Mason but if I was going to draft one I would probably snag Garcon. Gonzalez will have to battle to get his job back from Garcon.

Here are my three:

Ryan Matthews or Knowshown Moreno
Anquan Boldin or Larry Fitzgerald
Joe Flacco or Kevin Kolb *chuckles*

[berad]

[quote name='PuRock' date='07 July 2010 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1278559092' post='430380']
WR: [b]Derrick Mason[/b] or Pierre Garcon
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Toughest of the three. I'd have to go with [b]Mason[/b], though. Even though the Ravens have more weapons this season, Flacco will probably still look to his security blanket and Mase will still see balls thrown his way - only, this time, he'll be in single coverage. Also, with Garcon, you have to factor in Anthony Gonzalez's return into an already crowded receiving corps.

[quote name='PuRock' date='07 July 2010 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1278559092' post='430380']
RB: [b]LeSean McCoy[/b] or Shonn Greene
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[b]McCoy[/b], no question. Brian Westbrook was a stud in FF and McCoy should pick up where he left off - maybe even more with an inexperienced QB in Kolb. Plus I don't think the Jets OL will be as good this season, I'm not high on Greene.

[quote name='PuRock' date='07 July 2010 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1278559092' post='430380']
QB: [b]Chad Henne[/b] or Matt Cassell
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[b]Henne.[/b] He got Marshall, Matt Cassel didn't. I would hope that I had a QB before these two, though, haha. Definitely back-ups in the fantasy world.

[PuRock]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='07 July 2010 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1278559707' post='430386']
Chad Henne - Brandon Marshall will do wonders for him and the passing game, Miami has more talent all around on Offense which will equal more opportunities.

Shonn Greene - IMO LT is washed up and Greene will get most of the touches, plus throw in that the Jets are way more of a running team than the Eagles, again more opportunities.

Pierre Garcon - This one was easily the toughest one to decide but I went with Garcon in the end because of the flashes he has shown when he gets the ball and the fact that we brought in Boldin this year. The fan in me says Mason but if I was going to draft one I would probably snag Garcon. Gonzalez will have to battle to get his job back from Garcon.

Here are my three:

Ryan Matthews or Knowshown Moreno
Anquan Boldin or Larry Fitzgerald
Joe Flacco or Kevin Kolb *chuckles*
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Moreno but that might change soon. This is a tough one. I have those two next to each other in my rankings. I'm only giving the edge to Moreno because he is in his second year.

Fitzgerald. My heart says Boldin my head says Fitzgerald because he's the better WR. Right now I have Fitzgerald but I really do not want the guy. I'd prefer to miss out on him and have to settle for Boldin instead.

Flacco - More experienced, more weapons. Though I wouldn't mind picking up Kolb in a later round.

[berad]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='07 July 2010 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1278559707' post='430386']
Ryan Matthews or Knowshown Moreno
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[b]Moreno.[/b] I'm not sure why everyone is so crazy about Ryan Matthews, he was a decent player in college but was drafted too highly by the Chargers. He may see the touches that LT left behind but who says he'll produce any better? Moreno is the catalyst of that Denver offense, now, he's the man.

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='07 July 2010 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1278559707' post='430386']
Anquan Boldin or Larry Fitzgerald
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Ohh, very tricky. You have to side with [b]Fitzgerald[/b] here, though. Even though he had a definite downgrade at QB, he is still a top-flight receiver in fantasy until proven otherwise. Boldin is a serious contender, though, I could be eating my words come November.

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='07 July 2010 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1278559707' post='430386']
Joe Flacco or Kevin Kolb *chuckles*
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[b]Flacco.[/b] Easy as pie.

[PuRock]

[quote name='berad' date='07 July 2010 - 11:32 PM' timestamp='1278559924' post='430387']
[b]McCoy[/b], no question. Brian Westbrook was a stud in FF and McCoy should pick up where he left off - maybe even more with an inexperienced QB in Kolb. Plus I don't think the Jets OL will be as good this season, I'm not high on Greene.

[b]Henne.[/b] He got Marshall, Matt Cassel didn't. I would hope that I had a QB before these two, though, haha. Definitely back-ups in the fantasy world.
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I agree about McCoy. Westbrook put up mad numbers in that offensive system. Now it's McCoy's turn. Ofcourse if you aren't in a PPR league, Greene would make more sense.

I'm also a Henne believer, He played very well last year and now he has Marshall on top of that. He should put up nice numbers as long as the Dolphins don't linger with the Wildcat too much again.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='PuRock' date='07 July 2010 - 07:18 PM' timestamp='1278559092' post='430380']
Let's get the fantasy chatter going with a little question and answer. List two players who are of equal value in each of the following categories WR, RB , (QB or TE).

Who would you rather draft and why:
WR: Derrick Mason or Pierre Garcon
RB: LeSean McCoy or Shonn Greene
QB: Chad Henne or Matt Cassell

Answer and ask three more.
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Mason. He should see an even increased load since Boldin will be doubled a lot. That, and the Colts love to spread it around.

McCoy. I'm on the fence about this one though because of two words: Mike Bell. I don't like Shonn Greene honestly, and I think he wont live up to the expectations Jets fan have for him. McCoy is similar to Westbrook, and he was a stud, obviously. So if Michael Vick or Mike Bell (two goal line vultures with the same name, how about that?) don't vulture, McCoy could be a huge sleeper.

Chad Henne by a long shot. Brandon Marshall, Davone Bess and Brian Hartline to name a few will be great weapons for him. I don't like Dwayne Bowe, he [b]killed[/b] my fantasy team last year in the worst way. I also think Matt Cassel was a mere product of a New England system.

Here's my list:

Jamaal Charles or Pierre Thomas
Calvin Johnson or Roddy White
Steve Smith (Carolina) or Marques Colston

[PuRock]

[quote name='berad' date='07 July 2010 - 11:37 PM' timestamp='1278560229' post='430389']
[b]Moreno.[/b] I'm not sure why everyone is so crazy about Ryan Matthews, he was a decent player in college but was drafted too highly by the Chargers. He may see the touches that LT left behind but who says he'll produce any better? Moreno is the catalyst of that Denver offense, now, he's the man.
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Yea, Matthews is an enigma. The Chargers reached for him which helped create the hype around him. If Matthews went in the second round (like he should have) the hype would be far less. But he should get the opportunity to get touches. But since he's a rookie its hard to give him value until he does something against the big boys.

[Romo Ravens]

The reason why Mathews is getting so much hype is because he's about to be a "do it all" kind of back. He can run downhill, catch out of the backfield, and has a nose for the endzone. I've heard that San Diego wants to make him the focal point of their offense, and it doens't hurt that Jackson is out a few games (could be much longer if he holds out), or is simply traded. There is no way to justify him going in the second round of fantasy drafts, and I probably will not take him that early, but he would be steal in the fourth or fifth. But like everyone is saying, people are salivating for a Steve Slaton/Matt Forte kind of rookie year. I wouldn't be surprised if he underachieved.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='07 July 2010 - 11:40 PM' timestamp='1278560418' post='430392']
Jamaal Charles or Pierre Thomas
Calvin Johnson or Roddy White
Steve Smith or Marques Colston
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Man this is tougher than I thought today. [b]Jamaal Charles[/b] by a hair right now. KC has improved their OL a tad and plus he's coming off a big end to a season. But on the other hand Pierre Thomas could see more TD's.

[b]Calvin Johnson[/b] - easy one for me. The guy is pure talent. Last year he was pretty high up on targets and I expect the fantasy scoring numbers to be back for him this year. Especially since they've added more talent around him. TE, RB. I still don't buy into the Matt Ryan Hype.

Which Steve Smith?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='PuRock' date='07 July 2010 - 07:47 PM' timestamp='1278560827' post='430396']
Man this is tougher than I thought today. [b]Jamaal Charles[/b] by a hair right now. KC has improved their OL a tad and plus he's coming off a big end to a season. But on the other hand Pierre Thomas could see more TD's.

[b]Calvin Johnson[/b] - easy one for me. The guy is pure talent. Last year he was pretty high up on targets and I expect the fantasy scoring numbers to be back for him this year. Especially since they've added more talent around him. TE, RB. I still don't buy into the Matt Ryan Hype.

Which Steve Smith?
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Car

[Romo Ravens]

I love Jamaal Charles this year as well. I wish that the Saints could just see Thomas' potential and hand it off to him at least 20 times a game. If they did, the man could put up a Michael Turner kind of year two seasons ago. He's so talented, and I'll probably take him again this year like I did last year.

If Calvin and Stafford connect, the league better watch out. He could easily have 1,500 yard seasons with 10+ TD's to go with it, it's just that the Lions have to know how to utilize him. If I could get both Calvin and White in a league this year, it'll be lights out.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='07 July 2010 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1278560882' post='430397']
Car
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Not a big fan of either. But I'd take Colston, because you know he'll get the opportunities with Drew Brees throwing him the ball. Steve Smith has young QB's ditching him the ball, which often times can lead to frustration and growing pains. The one thing Smith has going for him in terms of fantasy value is a stellar running attack that will command attention.

[Romo Ravens]

I'm actually a believer in Matt Moore. In the last games that he started, Smith had a TD in each one and had 157 yards agaist the Vikings. Plus Smith is drastically falling in drafts this year, where you can pick him up in the 4th or 5th. If he can put up WR 1 numbers, that's a steal if you already picked a WR in the earlier part of the draft. I can see 1,100 yards with 7 TD's this year, solid for a WR 2.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='07 July 2010 - 11:56 PM' timestamp='1278561361' post='430400']
I'm actually a believer in Matt Moore. In the last games that he started, Smith had a TD in each one and had 157 yards agaist the Vikings. Plus Smith is drastically falling in drafts this year, where you can pick him up in the 4th or 5th. If he can put up WR 1 numbers, that's a steal if you already picked a WR in the earlier part of the draft. I can see 1,100 yards with 7 TD's this year, solid for a WR 2.
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If I could get Steve Smith in the 5th, I'd be ecstatic. A #1 WR never hurt anyone's FF team. Having two, pssh. I could see Steve Smith on my team because he might drop.

[berad]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='07 July 2010 - 11:40 PM' timestamp='1278560418' post='430392']
Jamaal Charles or Pierre Thomas
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[b]Charles.[/b] He was a beast at the end of last year - if Chris Johnson wasn't so big he would have gotten a lot more face time. Even though he has to share carries with Thomas Jones, he'll likely get more than Pierre Thomas who has to share with Bush and plays on the pass-happy Saints. It's close but Charles is a special talent.

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='07 July 2010 - 11:40 PM' timestamp='1278560418' post='430392']
Calvin Johnson or Roddy White
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[b]Johnson.[/b] Megatron. He can only improve with a second year under a new system and with Matthew Stafford. Roddy White is good but not as good as Calvin Johnson. A good dilemma to have.

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='07 July 2010 - 11:40 PM' timestamp='1278560418' post='430392']
Steve Smith (Carolina) or Marques Colston
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I'd have to go with [b]Colston[/b] here. For me, it comes down to Brees vs. Moore and Brees wins every time. Even though Colston is only one weapon of many, he gets the most looks. Another good dilemma, though, Smith has shown he can produce even with lackluster QB play [i](look at '07 and '08 - even '09, but to a lesser degree)[/i].

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='PuRock' date='07 July 2010 - 07:58 PM' timestamp='1278561525' post='430401']
If I could get Steve Smith in the 5th, I'd be ecstatic. A #1 WR never hurt anyone's FF team. Having two, pssh. I could see Steve Smith on my team because he might drop.
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Yea, that's what I'm saying. I'm about to start another mock draft for ESPN lol, I'll let you know where he goes. I'm thinking the 4th.

[Romo Ravens]

I'd have to take Charles as well. Nothing wrong with having a home run hitter on your roster. Plus, I don't think Thomas Jones will be the factor everyone is saying he'll be. He benefitted from a Jets offensive line, so he shouldn't be primed for a huge year.

I like Johnson as well. But if Turner has his wheels turning like 2008, then Roddy should be able to post monster numbers as well. Let's just hope Jahvid Best can turn it on for the Lions if one of us gets Calvin.

Like you said, berad, Brees vs. Moore lol. But It depends who falls where. Plus Colston has only barely cracked 1,000 yards ony a couple of times, which has me worried. As well as SB hangover. The Lions want it.

[berad]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='08 July 2010 - 12:05 AM' timestamp='1278561908' post='430406']
Like you said, berad, Brees vs. Moore lol. But It depends who falls where. Plus Colston has only barely cracked 1,000 yards ony a couple of times, which has me worried. As well as SB hangover. [b]The Lions want it.[/b]
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I literally lol'd! Like I said, good dilemma to have, I want both of them!

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='berad' date='07 July 2010 - 08:08 PM' timestamp='1278562126' post='430408']
I literally lol'd! Like I said, good dilemma to have, I want both of them!
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Come on B, who [i]doesn't[/i] want a hangover?

[ed.s52]

[b]Charles over Thomas[/b]
We all know the Chiefs are a sub-par team and they are looking for any shread of hope or young talent that can lead them to a winning season. That shread of hope is Jamaal Charles.
Thomas won't get many carries due to a pass heavy offense and the emergence of Reggie Bush (yes, I am calling it). Even if I am totally wrong about Bush, he still should see more carries on gameday.

[b]Johnson over White[/b]
HE IS MEGATRON. Johnson imo is the best receiver in the league, at least top three behind fitz and andre. But either way, he is the primary target for the Lions and although they have two good runningbacks in Kevin Smith and Jahvid Best, they will still end up passing the ball a lot because of games they are behind, and because the have a good young QB with good receivers. Megatron will destroy this season.
White, on the other hand, will still do good, but with the comeback of Michael Turner they will hand him the ball A LOT, and Jerious Norwood will see a good number of carries, making the Flacons a running team.

[b]Smith over Colston[/b]
Colston is an unconsistent receiver and Brees spreads the love around. Smith is one of the league's quickest receivers and the Panther's are bound to see what the arms of their young, potentially great QB's in Matt Moore and Clausen can do.
And I never bought into the Saints hype. I agree they are a good team, but they just had a GREAT year. I don't see a repeat happening at all, and there is no way the Saints are as good as they were last season.


Now my players...

Jermichael Finley or Vernon Davis
Greg Jennings or Sidney Rice
Carson Palmer or Donnavan McNabb

[PuRock]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='08 July 2010 - 03:11 AM' timestamp='1278573082' post='430431'
Jermichael Finley or Vernon Davis
Greg Jennings or Sidney Rice
Carson Palmer or Donnavan McNabb
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[b]Vernon Davis[/b] has emerged. Never been a big fan of him but he could be the best TE in 2010. I watched some of the 49ers games last year. And he was like the first option that Smtih looked at every time. Sure Crabtree will still some looks and Gore will command the ball. But Vernon will get receptions and touchdowns.

[b]Greg Jennings[/b] I like Greg Jennings. Green Bay has improved their line and they want to throw the ball. Jennings had an off year last year which will make him drop in draft boards. But I think he could have a big comeback year in 2010.

Good one. You have to ask the tough one. Palmer w/o Benson and McNabb on a new team. hmmmm. I currently have [b]McNabb[/b] since the Redskins worked on improving the OL. Palmer does have better weapons but McNabb has proven he doesn't need weapons per se.

[PuRock]

Mendenhall or DeAngelo Williams.

In all the mock drafts I've done, these guys are usually the top 2 available RBs. Move your Steelers bias-ism to the side. Rashard will be the workhorse in Pittsburgh this year. DeAngelo is the more talented player but will split carries.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='PuRock' date='10 July 2010 - 09:56 PM' timestamp='1278827817' post='431499']
Mendenhall or DeAngelo Williams.

In all the mock drafts I've done, these guys are usually the top 2 available RBs. Move your Steelers bias-ism to the side. Rashard will be the workhorse in Pittsburgh this year. DeAngelo is the more talented player but will split carries.
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DeAngelo. I know that his situation is probably the worst in the league (along with Stewart), but his ability to hit a homerun play anywhere on the field gives him an edge. If he can dominate carries or if Stewart's injury becomes an issue in the season, whoever drafted him is looking at a top three pick that they got in the second round.

I don't like Mendenhall this year because he doesn't have Ben for the first four or six games, and Colon won't play the entire season. That, mixed with playing the Ravens and Bengals twice doesn't bode well for his chances at huge numbers. I'm staying away from Steelers players this year. I has Mike Wallace very high on my board but with everything that's been going on, he took a mega nosedive.

I'm not saying I'm in love with DeAngelo, because there's a lot more value to be had at RB in the second and the third round, but he's virtually a steal in the late second where I've seen him go in ten team league mocks.

Tony Romo or Matt Schaub?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' date='11 July 2010 - 01:56 AM' timestamp='1278827817' post='431499']
Mendenhall or DeAngelo Williams.

In all the mock drafts I've done, these guys are usually the top 2 available RBs. Move your Steelers bias-ism to the side. Rashard will be the workhorse in Pittsburgh this year. DeAngelo is the more talented player but will split carries.
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Tough decision but I'd draft Mendenhall. His back-ups are a rookie whose still adapting to NFL running formations and a career third down specialist. He'll get touches and despite Pittsburgh's litany of problems, he should be productive.

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='11 July 2010 - 02:31 AM' timestamp='1278829901' post='431500']
DeAngelo. I know that his situation is probably the worst in the league (along with Stewart), but his ability to hit a homerun play anywhere on the field gives him an edge. If he can dominate carries or if Stewart's injury becomes an issue in the season, whoever drafted him is looking at a top three pick that they got in the second round.

I don't like Mendenhall this year because he doesn't have Ben for the first four or six games, and Colon won't play the entire season. That, mixed with playing the Ravens and Bengals twice doesn't bode well for his chances at huge numbers. I'm staying away from Steelers players this year. I has Mike Wallace very high on my board but with everything that's been going on, he took a mega nosedive.

I'm not saying I'm in love with DeAngelo, because there's a lot more value to be had at RB in the second and the third round, but he's virtually a steal in the late second where I've seen him go in ten team league mocks.

[b]Tony Romo or Matt Schaub?[/b]
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Can't stand the guy but I'd go with Romo simply because he has more weapons. Houston airs it out a ton but not only will Romo be throwing to Austin, Bryant, Witten and Williams but all three of Dallas's RB can catch the ball too.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='11 July 2010 - 02:31 AM' timestamp='1278829901' post='431500']
DeAngelo. I know that his situation is probably the worst in the league (along with Stewart), but his ability to hit a homerun play anywhere on the field gives him an edge. If he can dominate carries or if Stewart's injury becomes an issue in the season, whoever drafted him is looking at a top three pick that they got in the second round.

Tony Romo or Matt Schaub?
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I'm leaning towards Mendenhall myself. One of the turn offs about DeAngelo is he doesn't rack up many catches. Guys like Correll Buckhalter, Jason Snelling and Brian Leonard had more catches then him.

Schaub. If Owen Daniels and Walter can stay healthy he'll have a phenomenal year. Plus the Texans don't really punch the ball in with their running game.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='11 July 2010 - 09:41 AM' timestamp='1278870072' post='431562']
Tough decision but I'd draft Mendenhall. His back-ups are a rookie whose still adapting to NFL running formations and a career third down specialist. He'll get touches and despite Pittsburgh's litany of problems, he should be productive.



Can't stand the guy but I'd go with Romo simply because he has more weapons. Houston airs it out a ton but not only will Romo be throwing to Austin, Bryant, Witten and Williams but all three of Dallas's RB can catch the ball too.
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Why can't you stand him?

[Alexir]

[quote name='PuRock' date='07 July 2010 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1278559092' post='430380']
Let's get the fantasy chatter going with a little question and answer. List two players who are of equal value in each of the following categories WR, RB , (QB or TE).

Who would you rather draft and why:
WR: Derrick Mason or Pierre Garcon
RB: LeSean McCoy or Shonn Greene
QB: Chad Henne or Matt Cassell

Answer and ask three more.
[/quote]

Garcon-Colts are more passing attack than we are
Greene-Young QB needs to rely on running game
Henne- He has Brandon Marshall

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='11 July 2010 - 07:59 PM' timestamp='1278892769' post='431699']
Why can't you stand him?
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Maybe it's his demeanor but I just get the sense he doesn't have the same drive to win as other top QBs. The media breaking out to the anointing oils for him seemingly every October and November is pretty annoying as well.

[ed.s52]

I agree with hating Romo. He just is not as consistent as I would like not to mention the fact that I think Romo is a mere product of his system. If he didn't have a great supporting cast he wouldn't be nearly as good.

And more fantasy-wise, I prefer Schaub because the Cowboys have a fearsome rushing attack and Andre Johnson.

Here's another three:

Matt Ryan or Eli Manning
Shonne Greene or Cedric Benson
Brent Celek or Tony Gonzalez