Sergio Kindle

[dan21236]

I love all the things that the Ravens have done to make them a better team. On defense Sergio Kindle is going to be a force to be reckoned with. His Speed and strength is a huge plus and I love his character.

Do you think this guy will have an impact this year vs. Ellerbee and other linebackers ?

Could he ultimately replace Ray Lewis one day ?

[Alexir]

Well Sergio is an OLB and if anything I think he will be replacing Jarrett Johnson one day. Not anytime now though, just on passing downs.

I think Ellerbe and Gooden will be the ones to be our Middle Linebackers of the future.

No one can replace Ray Lewis. No one.

[dan21236]

[quote name='Alexir' date='07 July 2010 - 04:12 PM' timestamp='1278533575' post='430215']
Well Sergio is an OLB and if anything I think he will be replacing Jarrett Johnson one day. Not anytime now though, just on passing downs.

I think Ellerbe and Gooden will be the ones to be our Middle Linebackers of the future.

No one can replace Ray Lewis. No one.
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I'm not impling that there will be another player to play like Ray Lewis. One day #52 will retire and go into the Hall Of Fame.


I am simpy referring to the position that he will vacate one day and our current crop of linebackers.

Where will Sergio be in 4,5 or 6 years vs. Gooden and Ellerbee ?

[-Truth-]

Well, considering Kindle was an OLB/DE in College, there is virtually no chance he will switch to ILB. There is a difference between the two positions. In my opinion, Sergio will be a tremendous force on the outside, piling up sacks and hopefully contributing in pass coverage. But someone else will have to man the middle when #52 hangs up his cleats. Hopefully Ellerbe continues to develop, and at least somewhat fills the future void.

[dan21236]

[quote name='-Truth-' date='07 July 2010 - 04:53 PM' timestamp='1278535989' post='430236']
Well, considering Kindle was an OLB/DE in College, there is virtually no chance he will switch to ILB. There is a difference between the two positions. In my opinion, Sergio will be a tremendous force on the outside, piling up sacks and hopefully contributing in pass coverage. But someone else will have to man the middle when #52 hangs up his cleats. Hopefully Ellerbe continues to develop, and at least somewhat fills the future void.
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I just see Sergio as a strong & quick dude & athletic. But due to where he has played in college, I think you could be right. OLB may be the best place for him.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='dan21236' date='07 July 2010 - 05:10 PM' timestamp='1278537019' post='430244']
OLB may be the best place for him.
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Thats what he is. Its certainly the best place for him. I can wait to see how good he's gonna get.

[ed.s52]

Unless Gooden bulks up I don't see him being the future of this team at MLB. We would either switch to a 4-3 or draft/pick up a good ILB next year.

There is a pretty good class of LB's in general next year. Some are older, but guys like Chad Greenway (MIN), Barret Rudd (TB), Kirk Morrison (JAX), Stephen Cooper (SD) and Mike Peterson (ATL) are FA's next year. One other young LB we might be able to grab is Paul Posluszny from the Bills.

My point us, I think Gooden is simply to small to be our starting LB.

One option I would like to at least try is Jason Phillips out of TCU, who we picked up although he was injured. If he makes a strong comeback I think he can make a solid case for a starter once Lewis retires, or even over Ellerbee.

But as for Sergio, he stays outside. I see 4-8 sacks this year, an impact on our D, and may make a case to replace JJ next year.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

We drafted Sergio to come in here a bolster the rush attack. He has done this his entire career so far from the outside. I cant see him as an inside linebacker. I think within a year or two he could turn out to be one of the best on this team if he can stay healthy. As mentioned he may in fact end up taking JJs spot. Its still too early to make these kind of predictions but it would be nice to have him turn out to be the surprise pick of the draft. Would just add to the list of greats Oz has found. As far as who will take Rays spot is still a head scratcher. We have a lot of good talent but our expectations will never be met.

[Ngata92NT]

Honestly I don't think that Kindle will see significant playing time. He's a tremendous talent but we don't really have any room for him except as a situational pass rusher. JJ and Suggs will start at OLB with Ray and Ellerbe in the middle. I think Barnes will come in for JJ in certain situations, leaving very few reps for Kindle.

Kindle will be a monster, but I don't think he'll make much of an immediate impact.

(also there is 0% chance he will take JJ's starting job and -100% chance that he'll switch to ILB) lol

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='07 July 2010 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1278551352' post='430339']
Unless Gooden bulks up I don't see him being the future of this team at MLB. We would either switch to a 4-3 or draft/pick up a good ILB next year.

There is a pretty good class of LB's in general next year. Some are older, but guys like Chad Greenway (MIN), Barret Rudd (TB), Kirk Morrison (JAX), Stephen Cooper (SD) and Mike Peterson (ATL) are FA's next year. One other young LB we might be able to grab is Paul Posluszny from the Bills.

My point us, I think Gooden is simply to small to be our starting LB.

One option I would like to at least try is Jason Phillips out of TCU, who we picked up although he was injured. If he makes a strong comeback I think he can make a solid case for a starter once Lewis retires, or even over Ellerbee.

But as for Sergio, he stays outside. I see 4-8 sacks this year, an impact on our D, and may make a case to replace JJ next year.
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Gooden played last year at like 242 Im pretty sure, and if you think hes too small I dont see how you think Morrison and Peterson arent,theyre both under 240, and Peterson is like 33 years old. Ruud would be a good MLB, but he isnt exactly a game impacting player, hes just a tackler. Gooden's problem is his football IQ, that was his problem at Miami, and his problem going into the draft.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='07 July 2010 - 10:14 PM' timestamp='1278569658' post='430427']
Gooden played last year at like 242 Im pretty sure, and if you think hes too small I dont see how you think Morrison and Peterson arent,theyre both under 240, and Peterson is like 33 years old. Ruud would be a good MLB, but he isnt exactly a game impacting player, hes just a tackler. Gooden's problem is his football IQ, that was his problem at Miami, and his problem going into the draft.
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I was just naming LB FA's for next year, it doesn't necessarily have to be Morrison or Peterson.

Gooden can't take on a block at all. Two great remedies for that are strength and technique. Which ever one he chooses is fine with me as long as he learns to do it. And getting bigger wouldn't be a bad thing, it would just give him an advantage in plugging up holes and getting off blocks, so although he doesn't necessarily have to do that it would be a good way of getting better therefore making it more likely to have an impact in games and giving him a better chance to start.

[Rav'n Maniac]

It's really too early to tell what kind of impact Kindle will make. After the pads come on and he makes it through camp / preseason, it will become easier to determine what he'll bring to the table as a pro. I will agree he will remain a OLB.

As far as Ray's eventual replacement, we may have to wait about 6 years until Ray Jr. gets into the draft. He is following in Dad's footsteps as a MLB in high school and you know if Dad has anything to do with it, he'll most likely be a Hurricane.

[BloodRaven]

I don't see Kindle doing much this season, and personally I'm tired of the Gooden talk, wearing number 52 for the U and being fast isn't a sign from the heavens.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='08 July 2010 - 01:29 AM' timestamp='1278574172' post='430432']
I was just naming LB FA's for next year, it doesn't necessarily have to be Morrison or Peterson.

Gooden can't take on a block at all. Two great remedies for that are strength and technique. Which ever one he chooses is fine with me as long as he learns to do it. And getting bigger wouldn't be a bad thing, it would just give him an advantage in plugging up holes and getting off blocks, so although he doesn't necessarily have to do that it would be a good way of getting better therefore making it more likely to have an impact in games and giving him a better chance to start.
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Very true, Im of the Ellerbe camp for whom I think should start next to Ray.

[DX army member]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='08 July 2010 - 10:43 AM' timestamp='1278600183' post='430487']
I don't see Kindle doing much this season, and personally I'm tired of the Gooden talk, wearing number 52 for the U and being fast isn't a sign from the heavens.
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i agree he is only a rookie

[BloodRaven]

It's not just that he's a rookie, we have two strong OLB's and Mattison prefers gap integrity to freelancing. Kindle is the future though.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='08 July 2010 - 12:14 AM' timestamp='1278569658' post='430427']
Gooden played last year at like 242 Im pretty sure, and if you think hes too small I dont see how you think Morrison and Peterson arent,theyre both under 240, and Peterson is like 33 years old. Ruud would be a good MLB, but he isnt exactly a game impacting player, hes just a tackler. Gooden's problem is his football IQ, that was his problem at Miami, and his problem going into the draft.
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His football IQ is low and he really hesitates in getting his nose dirty, which is why Ellerbe snagged his job.

Also won't be surprised to see around 6 sacks from Kindle this year.

[berad]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='08 July 2010 - 09:22 PM' timestamp='1278638547' post='430757']
His football IQ is low and he really hesitates in getting his nose dirty, which is why Ellerbe snagged his job.

Also won't be surprised to see around 6 sacks from Kindle this year.
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I'm not sure if I would call his football IQ 'low', more like he is less instinctual and has hesitancy at the point-of-attack. If that's what you meant, though, I agree haha. Ellerbe showed those instincts and his awareness, that's why he's starting.

[Runnin Raven]

I'm pretty excited about Kindle. More than I ever was about Gooden. I think of Kindle as a 1st round LB, and our history with 1st round LBs is magnificent with Pro Bowls galore (Lewis, Boulware, Suggs).

[Radinho84]

i hope he will make an impact. but as we could see last year, harbs isn´t very fast in rookie starting. we had to wait a long time since we finally saw wbb on the defense. i can see similiar things happen to kindle. but i think he will be great for us at some point and we will see special things from him...

[lowrider]

[quote name='Radinho84' date='09 July 2010 - 10:44 AM' timestamp='1278686652' post='430976']
i hope he will make an impact. but as we could see last year, harbs isn´t very fast in rookie starting. we had to wait a long time since we finally saw wbb on the defense. i can see similiar things happen to kindle. but i think he will be great for us at some point and we will see special things from him...
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Well Ellerbe was a rookie last year. And he started. Well then again he didn't start right away but he earned his position pretty early in the season. I could see Kindle and Barnes taking about 50% of the plays and splitting time.

The biggest thing for Kindle is to take some of the attention away from Suggs. If Kindle can be a wingman for Suggs then that would benefit both of them.

[Token]

I think he'll have an Orakpo like impact.

Obviously not as huge since he's not starting but I do believe he's going to get pressure and he's going to get a few sacks and that he will be in the running for DROY.

[BuckWilds]

Sergio will be a change of speed, and as a result will be a dangerous player as a game develops. His effort will be focused on passing downs, of course, but I'm hoping to see him more often in the second half as the big offensive linemen on the other teams get tired. He's young and quick and a pass-rush specialist so I'm really excited to see the difference between him and a tired, older tackle.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='berad' date='08 July 2010 - 07:59 PM' timestamp='1278640743' post='430793']
I'm not sure if I would call his football IQ 'low', more like he is less instinctual and has hesitancy at the point-of-attack. If that's what you meant, though, I agree haha. Ellerbe showed those instincts and his awareness, that's why he's starting.
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His football IQ is low though, that was the knock on him coming out of the U. He doesn't have the instincts and he hesitates BECAUSE he does not have that football IQ, he doesn't know what gap to hit.

When you are able to read plays and react on instincts it's because you understand the game and have good football IQ. This is what makes Reed and Lewis such great players is there IQ and their preparation.

[Runnin Raven]

[quote name='BuckWilds' date='09 July 2010 - 03:45 PM' timestamp='1278704710' post='431089']
Sergio will be a change of speed, and as a result will be a dangerous player as a game develops. His effort will be focused on passing downs, of course, but I'm hoping to see him more often in the second half as the big offensive linemen on the other teams get tired. He's young and quick and a pass-rush specialist so I'm really excited to see the difference between him and a tired, older tackle.
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That's a good point. With his speed do you see him in the mold of a Dwight Freeney type? I can only hope. A healthy Dwight Freeney type that is.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Runnin Raven' date='09 July 2010 - 12:21 PM' timestamp='1278706898' post='431101']
That's a good point. With his speed do you see him in the mold of a Dwight Freeney type? I can only hope. A healthy Dwight Freeney type that is.
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No, simply because Dwight Freeny is pretty much an exclusive pass rusher, and is not an OLB.

Although his specialty is pass rushing, I expect Sergio to excell in coverage as well.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Runnin Raven' date='09 July 2010 - 04:21 PM' timestamp='1278706898' post='431101']
That's a good point. With his speed do you see him in the mold of a Dwight Freeney type? I can only hope. A healthy Dwight Freeney type that is.
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That sure would be nice. I can't predict he'd end up like Freeney but I like his chances versus much of the league's tackles in the fourth quarter, once they've been worn down. My biggest worry for Sergio is staying healthy.

[RayZ27]

[quote name='dan21236' date='07 July 2010 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1278533316' post='430213']
I love all the things that the Ravens have done to make them a better team. On defense Sergio Kindle is going to be a force to be reckoned with. His Speed and strength is a huge plus and I love his character.

Do you think this guy will have an impact this year vs. Ellerbee and other linebackers ?

Could he ultimately replace Ray Lewis one day ?
[/quote]

first of all, kindle is a OLB. not a MLB like Ray Ray
second of all, dannell ellerbe would probably win the starting position.

[ceebee1408]

[quote name='dan21236' date='07 July 2010 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1278533316' post='430213']
I love all the things that the Ravens have done to make them a better team. On defense Sergio Kindle is going to be a force to be reckoned with. His Speed and strength is a huge plus and I love his character.

Do you think this guy will have an impact this year vs. Ellerbee and other linebackers ?

Could he ultimately replace Ray Lewis one day ?
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[ceebee1408]

Could he ultimately replace Ray Lewis one day ?

Let's get one thing clear here


There will [b]NEVER[/b] be anyone who could replace Ray Lewis............. [b]NEVER ![/b]