The Pro Wrestling Thread

[BloodRaven]

Don't like Cody's new music, the entrance is good though. Without kneepads he still looks like a shaved bird though.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I just cannot see Kane as World Heavyweight Champion anymore. His main event window closed a while ago.

[JO_75]

I just cannot see Kane as World Heavyweight Champion anymore. His main event window closed a while ago.

Well than you'll be surprised if he wins MITB and cashes in on Mysterio I guess. I don't think he will win the SD MITB because Christian is more deserving but it wouldn't surprise me to see them give Kane a final title run and have him and Undertaker face off for the title at Summerslam. I can already tell they are going for Kane attacking Undertaker and with Kane having the title, it will be another way for Taker to get the title again.

[BloodRaven]

- Kane has jobbed for so long to help put other people over and even refused to be the first person to beat Taker at a WM when Taker offered it to him. He's like the opposite of Triple H.

- Why the hell isn't JR back yet? they interviewed him after the Carwin/Brock match and he looked healthy and his voice hasn't changed one bit.

Edited July 11, 2010 by BloodRaven

[sliceanddic3]

- Kane has jobbed for so long to help put other people over and even refused to be the first person to beat Taker at a WM when Taker offered it to him. He's like the opposite of Triple H.

- Why the hell isn't JR back yet? they interviewed him after the Carwin/Brock match and he looked healthy and his voice hasn't changed one bit.

I didn't know that O.o Who woulda thunk the Big Red Monster is classy...

[JO_75]

I didn't know that O.o Who woulda thunk the Big Red Monster is classy...

Well to many of his fans he is too classy as most of his fans believe he should get a title run that lasts longer than 24 hours. It's great he is helping out the young talent and putting them over, but I think it's time for Kane to win another title.

I also read that Mark Caloway(Undertaker's real name) actually suggested not only Kane to end the streak like he also suggested Orton be the one to end the streak when they faced off a few years back, but like Kane declined because Orton had so much respect for the Undertaker.

You would think that since he suggested two people to end the streak, that would show how much he cares about the Streak as much as Vince does. I'm sure he tried talk Shawn into being the one to end the streak and I'm sure like Kane & Orton, Shawn declined. The thing is Vince knows that if anyone would end the streak, whether they were worthy(like HBK) or not(a young star) of ending the streak fans would be upset and that it all goes back to money, Taker continues the streak means more money and more things they could do to make more money based off his streak alone. So many fans believe that is a streak that should never ever be broken.

JR did sign a new contract with the WWE but it's not a talent contract where he'll be announcing again on Raw or Smack Down, I think he is just going to be the head of the scouting area and finding young superstars to bring in the business like he found Jack Swagger. JR actually seems happier now that he is not announcing every week.

Edited July 11, 2010 by JO_75

[AwakenTheDemon]

Well to many of his fans he is too classy as most of his fans believe he should get a title run that lasts longer than 24 hours. It's great he is helping out the young talent and putting them over, but I think it's time for Kane to win another title.

I also read that Mark Caloway(Undertaker's real name) actually suggested not only Kane to end the streak like he also suggested Orton be the one to end the streak when they faced off a few years back, but like Kane declined because Orton had so much respect for the Undertaker.

You would think that since he suggested two people to end the streak, that would show how much he cares about the Streak as much as Vince does. I'm sure he tried talk Shawn into being the one to end the streak and I'm sure like Kane & Orton, Shawn declined. The thing is Vince knows that if anyone would end the streak, whether they were worthy(like HBK) or not(a young star) of ending the streak fans would be upset and that it all goes back to money, Taker continues the streak means more money and more things they could do to make more money based off his streak alone. So many fans believe that is a streak that should never ever be broken.

JR did sign a new contract with the WWE but it's not a talent contract where he'll be announcing again on Raw or Smack Down, I think he is just going to be the head of the scouting area and finding young superstars to bring in the business like he found Jack Swagger. JR actually seems happier now that he is not announcing every week.

Kind of related to the bolded part, but at the end of Taker and Shawn's match at this year's WM, when Taker picked Shawn up after he won, did it sound to anyone else like Taker told Shawn "Don't do it", regarding retirement? Perhaps it was my mind playing tricks on me, since Shawn is my favorite wrestler of all time.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Kind of related to the bolded part, but at the end of Taker and Shawn's match at this year's WM, when Taker picked Shawn up after he won, did it sound to anyone else like Taker told Shawn "Don't do it", regarding retirement? Perhaps it was my mind playing tricks on me, since Shawn is my favorite wrestler of all time.

hmm i know he told him he was one tough sob now Im going to have to go back and watch it lol

[JO_75]

Kind of related to the bolded part, but at the end of Taker and Shawn's match at this year's WM, when Taker picked Shawn up after he won, did it sound to anyone else like Taker told Shawn "Don't do it", regarding retirement? Perhaps it was my mind playing tricks on me, since Shawn is my favorite wrestler of all time.

I'm watching it now and it looked like he told him something about not retiring but I wasn't sure. What would have made the match better was if JR called the match. I don't get how Vince couldn't let JR call that one match.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I'm watching it now and it looked like he told him something about not retiring but I wasn't sure. What would have made the match better was if JR called the match. I don't get how Vince couldn't let JR call that one match.

Yeah, I couldn't tell exactly. Just from the body language and what appeared to be the words coming from Taker's mouth, that's what I thought he was saying.

[theFRANCHISE]

Yeah, I couldn't tell exactly. Just from the body language and what appeared to be the words coming from Taker's mouth, that's what I thought he was saying.

It looked like he said, "Don't do it, you SOB" (not in those exact words)

The tears from both men and the handshake was a tremendous show of respect. Great ending to a solid (yet somewhat underwhelming) match.

[AwakenTheDemon]

The tears there were nothing to compared to Raw the next night when Shawn gave his farewell speech. The whole thing was so heartfelt and personal, you could tell he was pouring out the feelings he kept up during his 20 plus year career. Then when Triple H came out... man, it was nice to see his best friend come out and tell him goodbye before "laying" DX to rest.

[JO_75]

The tears there were nothing to compared to Raw the next night when Shawn gave his farewell speech. The whole thing was so heartfelt and personal, you could tell he was pouring out the feelings he kept up during his 20 plus year career. Then when Triple H came out... man, it was nice to see his best friend come out and tell him goodbye before "laying" DX to rest.

Yeah, it sucks that they didn't put his Farewell on the WM 26 DVD, I was really hoping they would have but I did see that Shawn's farewell is on the Extreme Rules DVD as an Extra, I mean it would have been better to include it on the WM 26 DVD but that's ok. I mean I wasn't planning on buying Extreme Rules but I just might because of it having the farewell on it and it was a decent PPV.

Hey, have you guys been reading on how Jeff Hardy's court date keeps getting pushed back? I think for as much as it has been pushed back, he is guilty of drug trafficking or whatever he was being charged with, now of course what I don't get is that TNA knows about this yet they are giving him a title shot tonight... isn't that interesting? Can't wait to see how TNA gets major controversy for employing him, shoot it wouldn't surprise me that Dixie Carter is behind his court date being pushed back just so he can be apart of TNA.

Edited July 12, 2010 by JO_75

[theFRANCHISE]

Hey, have you guys been reading on how Jeff Hardy's court date keeps getting pushed back? I think for as much as it has been pushed back, he is guilty of drug trafficking or whatever he was being charged with, now of course what I don't get is that TNA knows about this yet they are giving him a title shot tonight... isn't that interesting? Can't wait to see how TNA gets major controversy for employing him, shoot it wouldn't surprise Dixie Carter is behind keeping his court date being pushed back just so he can be apart of TNA.

Dixie Carter is handling this entire thing all wrong. If Jeff Hardy were in WWE with these charges as serious as they are, he'd either be suspended or buried or taken out with an injury angle. This isn't the right message to be sending to the locker room, even if things end up working out with no jail time and a slap on the wrist.

Morale is down for a reason in the TNA locker room, and it's not just the Internet dirt sheets fabricating it. I bet you that, of their massively-talented roster, there's maybe a little over a handful of guys that are happy with where the company is going.

[Wacko4Zacko]

HHH is out? Hmm so maybe its time for SD to get involved? Undertaker would be a great idea to be the WWE saviour.

[theFRANCHISE]

If they reveal Kane as the attacker (which all signs point to), then I'll be sorely disappointed in what has otherwise been a good angle for the Big Red Machine. Though it's a bit anti-climactic and "obvious" to have the Nexus be the culprits, that would be a more effective means of getting them over if they were able to take out two "unstoppable" forces in John Cena and The Undertaker. There's also a bit of storyline history there, as the Nexus had faced Kane in a series of matches for a couple of weeks during NXT Season 1, usually ending in a group beatdown of Kane.

If they need to set up another Undertaker-Kane match, I'd rather see Kane turn heel by turning on his brother after the investigation is over, rather than have him turn heel by being the attacker.

As for the WWE's "savior," if they can't get The Rock to do it and Triple H is out with an injury, then I'd like to see Chris Jericho turn face and lead the charge against them, or have Randy Orton suddenly take a vested interest in the Nexus and take them out one-by-one, Viper-like. Though Jericho is a much more effective heel (he's done some of the best work of his career lately), it would be an interesting twist on the "Save Me/Us" gimmick that he had upon his latest return to WWE. They could write it as Jericho believing that the Nexus is trying to suck the life out of the business, and that even though he doesn't care about the fans, he cares about the business because it's the business itself that makes him the "best in the world at what he does."

[Wacko4Zacko]

As for the WWE's "savior," if they can't get The Rock to do it and Triple H is out with an injury, then I'd like to see Chris Jericho turn face and lead the charge against them, or have Randy Orton suddenly take a vested interest in the Nexus and take them out one-by-one, Viper-like. Though Jericho is a much more effective heel (he's done some of the best work of his career lately), it would be an interesting twist on the "Save Me/Us" gimmick that he had upon his latest return to WWE. They could write it as Jericho believing that the Nexus is trying to suck the life out of the business, and that even though he doesn't care about the fans, he cares about the business because it's the business itself that makes him the "best in the world at what he does."

Remember last week Jericho took credit for the whole NeXuS group. So unless they attack Y2J then idk.

[JO_75]

If they reveal Kane as the attacker (which all signs point to), then I'll be sorely disappointed in what has otherwise been a good angle for the Big Red Machine. Though it's a bit anti-climactic and "obvious" to have the Nexus be the culprits, that would be a more effective means of getting them over if they were able to take out two "unstoppable" forces in John Cena and The Undertaker. There's also a bit of storyline history there, as the Nexus had faced Kane in a series of matches for a couple of weeks during NXT Season 1, usually ending in a group beatdown of Kane.

If they need to set up another Undertaker-Kane match, I'd rather see Kane turn heel by turning on his brother after the investigation is over, rather than have him turn heel by being the attacker.

As for the WWE's "savior," if they can't get The Rock to do it and Triple H is out with an injury, then I'd like to see Chris Jericho turn face and lead the charge against them, or have Randy Orton suddenly take a vested interest in the Nexus and take them out one-by-one, Viper-like. Though Jericho is a much more effective heel (he's done some of the best work of his career lately), it would be an interesting twist on the "Save Me/Us" gimmick that he had upon his latest return to WWE. They could write it as Jericho believing that the Nexus is trying to suck the life out of the business, and that even though he doesn't care about the fans, he cares about the business because it's the business itself that makes him the "best in the world at what he does."

Jericho would be a good savior I think but I think he is going to remain heel for a little bit longer, or until he is done helping Evan Bourne get over, which is the one thing I like about Chris, is that he is willing to help put the young guys over like Shawn did.

Remember last week Jericho took credit for the whole Nexus group. So unless they attack Y2J then idk.

Yeah Jericho only took credit because his Rookie won Season 1 of NXT. Now what I thought would have been great was for Barrett to tag team with Jericho win the tag titles, and have Jericho help Barrett develop as a wrestler and get better and at a point Barrett slowly turns on Jericho, making Jericho a face again once Barrett turned on Jericho completely. Now of course I'm not going to complain because this invasion angle has been great.

Did you guys see the photos online of Mark Calaway(Undertaker) and Michelle McCool's wedding? I saw that they were posted and that WWE is not happy because of this big angle with Undertaker being in a vegetative state and if the wedding pictures are out with him not hurt or nothing it will hurt the angle. It would be interesting that just like they brought out Triple H/Stephanie being married in real life(everybody knew that anyhow) that they say that Taker/McCool are married in real life and McCool gets involved as the worried wife and she gets picked on until Undertaker saves her and makes his return.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Hmm where do my loyalty's lie on this whole Taker angle? I don't want it to be Kane really I want one more Brothers of Destruction Run.It's hard to think who else they could get to pull it off,they just turned Show face kinda.(he's been used as a joke for far too long),I'd love to see Matt go back to the V1 days in my opinion that was Matt at his best.Do you give it to a rookie? or maybe a set of rookies?Taker vs McIntyre or Swagger(they had a decent match on Raw not to long ago),or Nexus? All signs point to Kane which we have seen too many times already.Reports are sayiing Taker is looking to wind down his career,so does he even make it to Mania and if so does he do the impossible(ask the Pats)and go 19-0

[theFRANCHISE]

This is random as all hell, but Matt Hardy's gut makes me feel somewhat better about my own. It's a little embarassing for a guy who has main event aspirations to be so out of shape...

[FlaccoFlicker]

This is random as all hell, but Matt Hardy's gut makes me feel somewhat better about my own. It's a little embarassing for a guy who has main event aspirations to be so out of shape...

lol maybe he should see his brother about some "supplements"

[theFRANCHISE]

There are reports that Paul Heyman may be heading to TNA, despite remarks to the contrary that have been published lately. Heyman said that he refuses to go to TNA unless he gets full creative control, and Dixie Carter might be reluctant to hand over the keys after all that she's paid Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff to do in that same capacity.

I personally would love to see Heyman in TNA (though I'd much prefer to see him get full creative control over WWE's mega-roster), and I think that the move would be the saving grace of TNA. That said, however, if Dixie Carter keeps listening to Jeff Jarrett and his antiquated ideas, I'm worried that the company will go under even if Heyman turns things around. Though I blame much of their recent missteps on Hogan and Bischoff, Jarrett has to take some of the blame given that he's let his personal issues interfere with his booking and he had been running out of ideas before Hogan and Bischoff were even brought in.

[Wacko4Zacko]

This is random as all hell, but Matt Hardy's gut makes me feel somewhat better about my own. It's a little embarassing for a guy who has main event aspirations to be so out of shape...

Dude Big Daddy V makes me feel better about my body.

[theFRANCHISE]

The more I look at the Nexus, the more I realize that almost none of them will be decent solo stars; only Wade Barrett sticks out as the clear-cut, ready-for-primetime star. David Otunga attacking Yoshi Tatsu just now was weak (his mic skills aren't as good as people say they are), and Michael Tarver is merely average. Justin Gabriel could be a serviceable mid-carder but nothing more. The rest are a bit forgettable.

I still like the Nexus invasion angle, but most of these guys are destined to fail once the group dissolves.

[FlaccoFlicker]

There are reports that Paul Heyman may be heading to TNA, despite remarks to the contrary that have been published lately. Heyman said that he refuses to go to TNA unless he gets full creative control, and Dixie Carter might be reluctant to hand over the keys after all that she's paid Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff to do in that same capacity.

I personally would love to see Heyman in TNA (though I'd much prefer to see him get full creative control over WWE's mega-roster), and I think that the move would be the saving grace of TNA. That said, however, if Dixie Carter keeps listening to Jeff Jarrett and his antiquated ideas, I'm worried that the company will go under even if Heyman turns things around. Though I blame much of their recent missteps on Hogan and Bischoff, Jarrett has to take some of the blame given that he's let his personal issues interfere with his booking and he had been running out of ideas before Hogan and Bischoff were even brought in.

Heyman and Russo I see butting heads really.Their ego's would get in the way.Heyman is brillance tho,but I doubt even he couold help TNA atm.

[theFRANCHISE]

Heyman and Russo I see butting heads really.Their ego's would get in the way.Heyman is brillance tho,but I doubt even he couold help TNA atm.

Who said Russo would still be around?

The man barely has input in TNA these days, so I doubt he'll be around to see Heyman work his magic. That said, you're probably right, TNA is probably so far gone now.

It's amazing how much of a cancerous effect that a marquee name like Hulk Hogan ended up having...

[FlaccoFlicker]

Just read the report about a backstage meeting held in Orlando today,nothing was said about Hogan,Bischoff(they aren't in building or were at last night's ppv),and Heyman,but Dixie told the talent to tighten up their ringwork which is said to have infuriated some within the company.

and didn't I tell you when Hogan joined that was going to be the downfall of TNA

Edited July 13, 2010 by FlaccoFlicker

[theFRANCHISE]

Yeah, Ted DiBiase is really showing me nothing special lately. His mic skills are mediocre and his ring work is pretty bland, IMO.

It's ironic that Cody Rhodes is turning out to be the better solo star of the two, despite DiBiase having been ahead of the curve when they were first paired together. Rhodees has been the complete antithesis of DiBiase (just as their fathers were), and it looks like history will repeat itself in this era where Rhodes will go on to have more in-ring success than DiBiase.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Yeah, Ted DiBiase is really showing me nothing special lately. His mic skills are mediocre and his ring work is pretty bland, IMO.

It's ironic that Cody Rhodes is turning out to be the better solo star of the two, despite DiBiase having been ahead of the curve when they were first paired together. Rhodees has been the complete antithesis of DiBiase (just as their fathers were), and it looks like history will repeat itself in this era where Rhodes will go on to have more in-ring success than DiBiase.

They did a big NO NO with DiBiase they basically recycled his daddy's gimmick.He can't grow on his own mimicing someone else.Dashing Cody Rhodes is going in a different direction then both his family members

[FlaccoFlicker]

Watching No Mercy from 2001 atm its Chris Jericho vs the Rock for the WCW Title