The Pro Wrestling Thread

[FlaccoFlicker]

I remember he had a nice feud going on with Edge for the World Title, but then he injured Edge and that F'ed it all up.

when did you start watching this was back in i wanna say 98-99

[Wacko4Zacko]

Ive been watching sine 1995. 1st match I ever saw was HBK vs. Bret hart, iron man match at WM. Anyway back onto Kane. I remember because he lost it to Austin on RAW next night, right?.

Edited July 7, 2010 by Wacko4Zacko

[FlaccoFlicker]

Ive been watching sine 1995. 1st match I ever saw was HBK vs. Bret hart, iron man match at WM. Anyway back onto Kane. I remember because he lost it to Austin on RAW next night, right?.

yeah he won on a first blood match at King Of The Ring I think it was(the same KOTR that made Foley famous) then gave Austin a rematch and has never held another world title unless you count the ECW title which I don't.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Kane was much more intimidating, interesting, and had much more potential when he was masked. Removing his mask was the worst thing the WWE could have done to him =\

[FlaccoFlicker]

Kane was much more intimidating, interesting, and had much more potential when he was masked. Removing his mask was the worst thing the WWE could have done to him =\

he reminds me of a kwyjibo

[Wacko4Zacko]

Lol i remember when Kane was tag team with The Hurricane. "FREAKS ARE COOL!!!" and lets not forget the Kane-nites!

Edited July 7, 2010 by Wacko4Zacko

[BloodRaven]

Chelsea is so incredibly plain.

Sir, you take that back.

[theFRANCHISE]

See, I like Matt Hardy as a person, from what I've seen of his interactions with fans online. But that said, he's always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder because of how his brother has always gotten better opportunities despite having better matwork than Jeff.

Irrespective of all that, Matt Hardy may have a large fan following, but how long can they keep using him in his role as the "most popular midcard talent ever" before fans stop caring? I've stopped caring about him ever since his botched heel turn against his brother and he's done nothing to really deserve a bigger push. His mic work is atrocious and is unlikely to improve, and his ring work is too bland for my taste.

Jeff, meanwhile, is all about the high spots, which masks his deficiencies as a worker. I've always thought Jeff was overrated (even though I've enjoyed quite a few of his PPV matches) and never truly deserving of all the big breaks he got, especially given his spotty track record.

The Hardy Boyz need to accept that they're better as a tag team than as solo stars, and that they need to remain a tag team for the rest of their careers or risk being pushed to the side sooner than they expect.

[Wacko4Zacko]

Edge and Christian will always own Hardy Boyz.

[JO_75]

See, I like Matt Hardy as a person, from what I've seen of his interactions with fans online. But that said, he's always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder because of how his brother has always gotten better opportunities despite having better matwork than Jeff.

Irrespective of all that, Matt Hardy may have a large fan following, but how long can they keep using him in his role as the "most popular midcard talent ever" before fans stop caring? I've stopped caring about him ever since his botched heel turn against his brother and he's done nothing to really deserve a bigger push. His mic work is atrocious and is unlikely to improve, and his ring work is too bland for my taste.

Jeff, meanwhile, is all about the high spots, which masks his deficiencies as a worker. I've always thought Jeff was overrated (even though I've enjoyed quite a few of his PPV matches) and never truly deserving of all the big breaks he got, especially given his spotty track record.

The Hardy Boyz need to accept that they're better as a tag team than as solo stars, and that they need to remain a tag team for the rest of their careers or risk being pushed to the side sooner than they expect.

You are right they are better as a tag team and quite frankly Vince needs to give Matt Hardy the pink slip and let him join TNA in 90 days, I don't see why people think Matt deserves a push. Ok I can understand giving him the IC title, just to keep him happy and around but it's time for him to go. Plus I don't see why you keep around him if your trying to build new stars, sure Matt can be a stepping stone in McIntyre's career and Matt can help him develop but other than that what good does Matt have when your trying to create new stars and build credibility to guys like Jack Swagger, Drew McIntyre, Kofi Kingston, Cody Rhodes, and Dolph Ziggler.

Jeff on the other hand, he certainly deserved his Title run he got at the end of 2008, early 2009, but he was a transitional champion, nothing more. The only reason he got it was because Vince knew if Jeff had the title, fans would buy more Jeff Hardy merchandise, which means more money, he also knew that ratings would probably go up, which again means more money. Jeff had the fan base and popularity, it was a matter of time before he got the title. It wouldn't surprise me to see Jeff win the TNA Title soon.

Edited July 8, 2010 by JO_75

[BloodRaven]

They've waited too long to cash in with Matt, he's fat, 35, and if you read his twitter you'd know he always has one foot out the door.

OT: Not sure why Edge is still booked to main event status, he's 36, looks terrible, has a terrible finisher and he's always injured. He even said he's retiring in two years.

[JO_75]

They've waited too long to cash in with Matt, he's fat, 35, and if you read his twitter you'd know he always has one foot out the door.

OT: Not sure why Edge is still booked to main event status, he's 36, looks terrible, has a terrible finisher and he's always injured. He even said he's retiring in two years.

Oh yeah Matt's door closed a while back, the only value he had was when he and Jeff were tag teaming, other than that, nothing.

Edge is still a top star, he can still give it his all and perform night in and night out. You must not like Edge because he is really great, I mean sure I'll say WWE brought him back way too soon, the Royal Rumble return wasn't necessary, I think Edge and Jericho could have had a better feud if Edge had returned a month or two ago instead of coming back for the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania. Jericho could have had a longer title run and Edge could have cost Jericho the title to make his return be big.

I just wish Edge & Christian would team up one more time before Edge retires.

[Wacko4Zacko]

I wish Christian would go heel or win MiTB and then win the title.

[theFRANCHISE]

I wish Christian would go heel or win MiTB and then win the title.

There's too many top heels right now and not enough top faces. They need to focus on pushing Christian as a main event face first before they turn him heel -- unless they were to take another top heel and turn them face.

[BloodRaven]

Christian doesnt have the marketable look and is too old for a main event push too, that and hes more of a smark favorite.

[JO_75]

Christian doesn't have the marketable look and is too old for a main event push too, that and hes more of a smark favorite.

He is only 36.... and deserves a main event push. I don't know how you consider him too old when TNA has given Kevin Nash(50 will be 51 tomorrow) and Scott Hall(drug addict and is 51) the tag team titles. Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair were the main center piece around AJ Styles/Abyss feud and they are 56 and 61 respectively. Wasn't Sting just in the main event not too long ago as well, and he's 51. I could go on but I have proven my point. You say Edge and Christian are too old for the main event, both are 36 and considering who's main eventing TNA and have had titles in TNA, they are YOUNGER than their main event counter parts in TNA who are almost double their age.

I think it would be cool to keep Christian Face if somehow Edge lost the Raw MITB, Christian won the SD MITB and Edge became WWE Champion and Christian cashed in on Edge and won the title that way.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Triple H will be out for a few more months apparently,

http://bit.ly/crZFZM

Damn I really hope he comes back as the badd a## and not the merch junkie

[JO_75]

Triple H will be out for a few more months apparently,

http://bit.ly/crZFZM

Damn I really hope he comes back as the badd a## and not the merch junkie

Wow... it seems like ever since Over The Limit they have been cursed with injuries and problems. Orton suffers an injury, Punk is injured, Undertaker is injured, Danielson's choking with a tie gets him fired, Barrett and McIntyre have visa issues, and now Triple H will be out for a few more months.

So if Triple H was suppose to be the "savior" of the WWE when it comes to Nexus, who is going to fill that role now?

Hey Vince, guess it's time to pull Shawn Michaels out of retirement... jk. What's next, the GM whoever he is, gets hurt and can't do nothing for 2-3 months and WWE can't reveal him until he does get back and is healed or one night Michael Cole is reading that computer and the computer shuts down on him while he is right in the middle of a sentence and has a blank look on his face trying to figure out what to do and how to save the segment lol.

[FlaccoFlicker]

I say they scratch the Kane angle as Takers attacker and go with it being Nexus then the Brothers of Destruction will destroy them.....or bring the Rock in if he wants to do in ring work.Not only ignite the crowd but bring in the ratings.

PLeas no more HBK,respect the hell out of him the best wrestler ever,(over Flair and I am a huge Flair fan),but he is done.I don't know who else you can bring in.It can't be Cena because they own him lol,Orton idn't a goody good guy,Sheamus runs at the letters NXT.Jericho? make him a face?

Edited July 9, 2010 by FlaccoFlicker

[BloodRaven]

He is only 36.... and deserves a main event push. I don't know how you consider him too old when TNA has given Kevin Nash(50 will be 51 tomorrow) and Scott Hall(drug addict and is 51) the tag team titles. Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair were the main center piece around AJ Styles/Abyss feud and they are 56 and 61 respectively. Wasn't Sting just in the main event not too long ago as well, and he's 51. I could go on but I have proven my point. You say Edge and Christian are too old for the main event, both are 36 and considering who's main eventing TNA and have had titles in TNA, they are YOUNGER than their main event counter parts in TNA who are almost double their age.

I think it would be cool to keep Christian Face if somehow Edge lost the Raw MITB, Christian won the SD MITB and Edge became WWE Champion and Christian cashed in on Edge and won the title that way.

Lol I'm sorry but TNA is a complete joke and has no credibility. I don't know how any company can spend so much money for no returns.

[Shammy]

i been watching wrestling since i was born ... its some what watered down ... i watch all the old DVD anthologies and old stuff on youtube ... the new nexus nWo ripoff angle caught my interest tho

[theFRANCHISE]

Triple H will be out for a few more months apparently,

http://bit.ly/crZFZM

Damn I really hope he comes back as the badd a## and not the merch junkie

I don't care if it's a one-and-done angle, I want The Rock to come back and be the "savior"!!!

Just because I want Rock back on TV that badly. I've been on a YouTube-watching binge lately, looking up clips of The Great One's highlights.

[FlaccoFlicker]

well we will see if Drew is the chosen one after MITB.

had a friend who went to smackdown

[JO_75]

I don't care if it's a one-and-done angle, I want The Rock to come back and be the "savior"!!!

Just because I want Rock back on TV that badly. I've been on a YouTube-watching binge lately, looking up clips of The Great One's highlights.

I have been thinking about that being a possibility especially with Triple H out even longer and there is no star power on Raw besides John Cena and Randy Orton. I actually think The Rock coming back for this angle and "saving" the WWE from Nexus. The Rock said he was going to come back and do something "big" well here is the big angle for the Summer.

Quite possibly to maybe if The Rock comes back and "saves" the WWE that it could lead to the dream match every fan wants to see at Wrestlemania 27....... The Rock vs John Cena.

[theFRANCHISE]

I have been thinking about that being a possibility especially with Triple H out even longer and there is no star power on Raw besides John Cena and Randy Orton. I actually think The Rock coming back for this angle and "saving" the WWE from Nexus. The Rock said he was going to come back and do something "big" well here is the big angle for the Summer.

Quite possibly to maybe if The Rock comes back and "saves" the WWE that it could lead to the dream match every fan wants to see at Wrestlemania 27....... The Rock vs John Cena.

Rock doesn't even need to wrestle regularly in the build-up to a WrestleMania match with Cena, he just needs to do taped vignettes every other week or just something to keep in relevant enough in that time.

Bottom line, ring rust or no ring rust, I just want my idol back in the ring one more time!

[JO_75]

well we will see if Drew is the chosen one after MITB.

had a friend who went to smackdown

I hope Drew doesn't win the SD MITB, I'm almost positive that Dibiase will win the Raw MITB, and looking at the SD MITB, the only two people who deserve to win it is Christian and Kane. Certainly if Kane wins, I expect him to become World Champion after beating Rey Mysterio and WWE will stick to the obvious Kane attacking the Undertaker storyline and Taker will beat Kane for the WHC and get another title run sometime. Just hope that at least Kane gets a decent length of a title run regardless he ends up losing to Undertaker or not.

Christian I can see winning because SD needs a top face and Christian carried ECW until the end, and certainly has World Champion I'm sure he could carry SD, as long as Christian in the end loses the title to CM Punk and Punk gets another title run but this time while he is leading the SES.

[JO_75]

Rock doesn't even need to wrestle regularly in the build-up to a WrestleMania match with Cena, he just needs to do taped vignettes every other week or just something to keep in relevant enough in that time.

Bottom line, ring rust or no ring rust, I just want my idol back in the ring one more time!

Yeah he would get the ring rust off by wrestling in this Nexus storyline and saving the WWE if he did come back for this angle. Now your right he don't need to wrestle to help the build for a Rock-Cena match, I mean The Rock has one of the best mic skills ever in the WWE, so he could just talk and do promos like you said and keep fans interested. Now of course the only problem is that the audiences are filled with little kids, they aren't going to know who the Rock is. Yeah all the older fans will and they will be cheering loudly but the little kids they are targeting won't know him, I mean I was watching the Edge-Christian Promo on Youtube where it was Edge's last night on SD and when Christian came out, yeah there was that pop but just the presence of them two in the ring didn't get a loud pop as expected.

[FlaccoFlicker]

No offense but it isn't like Rock's ring expertise was all that great,so ring rust shouldn't be that bad just let him practice in the ring after its set up once you learn that alot is retained like riding a bike

[theFRANCHISE]

No offense but it isn't like Rock's ring expertise was all that great,so ring rust shouldn't be that bad just let him practice in the ring after its set up once you learn that alot is retained like riding a bike

Watch some of The Rock's old matches with Triple H or his little-remembered gems with The Undertaker at King of the Ring 1999, against Chris Benoit at Fully Loaded 2000, and against Kurt Angle at No Way Out 2001; the man can work all styles and can even do a great bit of technical wrestling, as needed. His biggest strength (other than his mic work) has always been his ability to tell a story in the ring, and his timing and pacing is impeccable.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Watch some of The Rock's old matches with Triple H or his little-remembered gems with The Undertaker at King of the Ring 1999, against Chris Benoit at Fully Loaded 2000, and against Kurt Angle at No Way Out 2001; the man can work all styles and can even do a great bit of technical wrestling, as needed. His biggest strength (other than his mic work) has always been his ability to tell a story in the ring, and his timing and pacing is impeccable.

Meh you named guys who can carry matches lol,I knew I'd get you riled up hehehe,Rock had some very nice early matches and I can't knock the man but I had to do it to get your ire.It's like if you woulda said Undertaker or Triple H couldn't run the ring