The Pro Wrestling Thread

[FlaccoFlicker]

you know I have thought long and hard about this Nexus thing.They fire Danielson for choking out an announcer with a tie and spitting on Cena(which he cleared ok with Cena first).Granted they are making it a real life story line,but they don;t condone that but it's ok to showcase 7-8 guys beating down one,then 7 guys beating up a man over 60 yrs of age.I know its staged(as was the tie choke),but what's worse in kids mind,choking out a dude with a tie or saying it's ok to get a bunch of friends and jump someone.

Wasn't a fan of Danielson until after he was kicked off NXT.Dudfe just lack charisma in my opinion but showed he had some when he was lashing out at Michael Cole

[FlaccoFlicker]

Always nice to see my boy Arn Anderson on TV

loving the Nexus theme music 12 Stones are a great band

Edited July 6, 2010 by FlaccoFlicker

[theFRANCHISE]

you know I have thought long and hard about this Nexus thing.They fire Danielson for choking out an announcer with a tie and spitting on Cena(which he cleared ok with Cena first).Granted they are making it a real life story line,but they don;t condone that but it's ok to showcase 7-8 guys beating down one,then 7 guys beating up a man over 60 yrs of age.I know its staged(as was the tie choke),but what's worse in kids mind,choking out a dude with a tie or saying it's ok to get a bunch of friends and jump someone.

Wasn't a fan of Danielson until after he was kicked off NXT.Dudfe just lack charisma in my opinion but showed he had some when he was lashing out at Michael Cole

I have mixed feelings about the angle, as I feel that the majority of those guys will fade into obscurity once the stable is broken up -- or, they could conceivably surprise me like Evolution did, when Randy Orton and Batista became mega-stars years later. Either way, I'm at least intrigued by where this is heading and they've got me tuning in every week.

As for the hypocrisy of Bryan Danielson's firing compared to the gangland-like assaults on Cena and Ricky Steamboat, it all boils down to backstage politics. But in all honesty, I think WWE was just looking for a reason to get rid of Danielson and they found it. I've always had this feeling that Danielson took the chip that was on his shoulder for being a journeyman indy wrestler and turned it into a sense of entitlement when he hit the mainstream. Also, WWE didn't like that he was an Internet darling and made no bones about their feelings towards him. I'm not one of those smarks who prefers Indie wrestling exclusively to the mainstream stuff just because it's untainted by corporate culture, as I feel that is a bit elitist. I like the mainstream stuff because it's the right blend of entertainment and athleticism for me. Frankly, watching Danielson's matches, I wasn't too impressed, so I'd have to side with WWE in terms of how he wasn't anything that special.

I'll take The Miz over Danielson any day, after how far Miz has come from when he started.

[FlaccoFlicker]

I have mixed feelings about the angle, as I feel that the majority of those guys will fade into obscurity once the stable is broken up -- or, they could conceivably surprise me like Evolution did, when Randy Orton and Batista became mega-stars years later. Either way, I'm at least intrigued by where this is heading and they've got me tuning in every week.

As for the hypocrisy of Bryan Danielson's firing compared to the gangland-like assaults on Cena and Ricky Steamboat, it all boils down to backstage politics. But in all honesty, I think WWE was just looking for a reason to get rid of Danielson and they found it. I've always had this feeling that Danielson took the chip that was on his shoulder for being a journeyman indy wrestler and turned it into a sense of entitlement when he hit the mainstream. Also, WWE didn't like that he was an Internet darling and made no bones about their feelings towards him. I'm not one of those smarks who prefers Indie wrestling exclusively to the mainstream stuff just because it's untainted by corporate culture, as I feel that is a bit elitist. I like the mainstream stuff because it's the right blend of entertainment and athleticism for me. Frankly, watching Danielson's matches, I wasn't too impressed, so I'd have to side with WWE in terms of how he wasn't anything that special.

I'll take The Miz over Danielson any day, after how far Miz has come from when he started.

Finally someone agrees with be about Danielson,like I said I liked his smacking Cole arouond because it's always fun to see,but you are right he has the whole I am Mister Independent.Yeah to me there is a reason why you never made it to the big time,and honestly if you aren't in the business to be a World Champ or any champ in the big leagues then you really don't care about the business.

Sorry before my car wreck I wanted to be a pro wrestler and never wanted to be king of the Independent scene.

The Miz and John Morrison have come a loooooong way both being from the Tough Enough genre.

Watching the main event from last weeks Raw,and like I said before Edge just doesn't have that look in his eye anymore he does look bored in the ring anymore...that achilles heel injury might have taken his heart from him

Loving Orton's development these days,he's the heelface,still not 100% face and just doesn't look like he cares how the fans cheers not many have been able to pull that off

Edited July 6, 2010 by FlaccoFlicker

[theFRANCHISE]

Whenever I argue with someone about Bryan Danielson, I always get accused of not appreciating good matwork. However, that can't be the case if I'm a Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle fan and actually like William Regal's work even watered-down in WWE. Regal is the ultimate litmus test for any hardcore wrestling fan, as his style is an acquired taste and one where you have to appreciate the technical aspects of his work rather than the aesthetics.

Though Danielson cites these guys as his idols and the ones who he molds his style after, he doesn't have their charisma or even their storytelling ability in the ring. One of the basic fundamentals of matwork is crowd psychology, and I'm not sure he knows how to work a crowd as consistently as the aforementioned guys. Sure, he has a hardcore following in Ring of Honor -- but that's not the same as getting a reaction on the level of Kurt Angle regardless of the audience he wrestles in front of. I've even had casual fans walk into the room during a Kurt Angle match and remark at how good he is.

WWE's burial of Bryan Danielson is not as tragic of an event for the wrestling world as some smart marks have made it out to be on the Internet. And best believe, Danielson possibly signing to TNA wouldn't be the game-changer that some fans think it'd be.

[Wacko4Zacko]

Hmm odd how Randy Orton didnt come out to help save Cena from the beatdown. But Khali did!

[FlaccoFlicker]

Yeah I enjoy Regal even tho he has become a comedy routine with Santino and Kozlov.I saw Danielson's work in NXT watched it intently,yes he had a great match with Jericho but seriously there are some guys who can make a broom look great.Not saying the kid doesn't have it but I just didn't see it maybe we will see more of him in the future and my opinion might change.I give credit where credit is due and yes he had some decent moments but maybe his attitude was part of the gimmick he was told to do...

Anyways people fail to realize that wrestling evolves with the times,people cry that today isn't as good as the attitude era,I think the wrestling is alot better,but the risque stuff isn't there.Why?Because we live in a time when people are too damn offended by everything.We live in a higher judging time then the late 90's to mid 2000's.The entertainment aspect is still there sorry if everything isn't about being hardcore.

[theFRANCHISE]

Loving Orton's development these days,he's the heelface,still not 100% face and just doesn't look like he cares how the fans cheers not many have been able to pull that off

They need to keep his character like this for as long as they can, as I feel as if it's an easy way for Orton to switch between heel and face without having to come up with a ridiculous reason for it. Will it get stale? Possibly, but at the same time, having a neutral character would be a great test of Orton's acting ability.

That said, I always mark out these days whenever Orton does his signature pose since I've taken to doing it myself in public randomly.

[FlaccoFlicker]

They need to keep his character like this for as long as they can, as I feel as if it's an easy way for Orton to switch between heel and face without having to come up with a ridiculous reason for it. Will it get stale? Possibly, but at the same time, having a neutral character would be a great test of Orton's acting ability.

That said, I always mark out these days whenever Orton does his signature pose since I've taken to doing it myself in public randomly.

it keeps things open for fueds more the whole heel vs face with the brands leaves repeating feuds that sometimes work sometimes doesn't.Being a fan of Orton ever since he hooked up with Evolution I had grown weery of his Legacy stint,it just wasn't the Orton I wanted to see.Maybe it was my disdain for Rhodes

[theFRANCHISE]

Yeah I enjoy Regal even tho he has become a comedy routine with Santino and Kozlov.I saw Danielson's work in NXT watched it intently,yes he had a great match with Jericho but seriously there are some guys who can make a broom look great.Not saying the kid doesn't have it but I just didn't see it maybe we will see more of him in the future and my opinion might change.I give credit where credit is due and yes he had some decent moments but maybe his attitude was part of the gimmick he was told to do...

Anyways people fail to realize that wrestling evolves with the times,people cry that today isn't as good as the attitude era,I think the wrestling is alot better,but the risque stuff isn't there.Why?Because we live in a time when people are too damn offended by everything.We live in a higher judging time then the late 90's to mid 2000's.The entertainment aspect is still there sorry if everything isn't about being hardcore.

Jericho can make anyone look good, even someone as limited (but talented in his own right) as the Big Show. Therefore, you can't judge anyone's ability on the basis of their match with Y2J, as he has the Midas Touch in the ring.

That said, I still see too much inconsistency with Danielson to really say he's everything that his Internet fans say he is. Flashes of talent, yes. But he's not the next great world champion like I've been reading. Sure, the WWE style is watered-down for many purists, but watered-down doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. I'm sorry that I'm not entertained by 6-hour tournaments like in Japan or that I can't watch a match with unknown stars and no storyline and say that I'll be entertained the entire time.

This whole shift to PG was necessary, given that the Attitude Era's demographic has grown up and started their own families. People had outgrown the product. Therefore, if you can't push the envelope any further because of how desensitized people have become, the only course of action is to scale things back and go after a different audience. In time, things will become edgy again -- but as TNA is proving, edgy doesn't necessarily mean quality. I prefer these PG-era storylines because they're more focused on character development than before, and the wrestlers have to work harder to put on good matches and convey the emotions needed, as they can't say or do the things they used to do before.

[Wacko4Zacko]

So should we expect the RAW MiTB winner to be WWE champion by the end of the night at MITB PPV? NeXuS make good poitn with randy. They obviously are going to attack whoever is in the cage or ring and then the winner might as well take it as an opportunity. However I think Sheamus is going to win so he and HHH can wrestle at Summerslam, so does he get attacked?

Interesting that there is one spot left in the RAW MiTB match, maybe HHH will replace R-Truth?

[JO_75]

So should we expect the RAW MITB winner to be WWE champion by the end of the night at MITB PPV? NeXuS make good point with randy. They obviously are going to attack whoever is in the cage or ring and then the winner might as well take it as an opportunity. However I think Sheamus is going to win so he and HHH can wrestle at Summerslam, so does he get attacked?

Interesting that there is one spot left in the RAW MiTB match, maybe HHH will replace R-Truth?

I see Sheamus retaining the title against Cena at MITB and Nexus will come out making us think they will attack him and instead all start beating down on Cena, thus having Sheamus align himself with Nexus, and whoever wins the RAW MITB(in which I think it's Ted Dibiase) will be built up and given time to make us think he is ready to challenge for the title. Triple H will return either next night on Raw(similar to Batista) with his trusty sledgehammer and beat the hell out of anyone moving, or they'll make him out to be the savior and hold his return for another week where the Nexus will be beating up on every Raw Superstar and Lawler/Cole will be saying, we need help the Raw guys are outnumbered someone has got to help us.... Cue Motorhead and Triple H with his sledgehammer to do the above.

R-Truth... he'll be replaced by someone. The only people who should be in MITB on Raw are already in and Triple H don't need no brief case to tell him when he has a title shot. So maybe they will move someone from SD to Raw though looking at their roster, everyone who is someone is in the SD MITB match with the exception two in which I see Ziggler and Drew McIntyre getting those two remaining spots in the SD match. Unless.... drum roll please.... Bryan Danielson replaces R-Truth!!!!! lol jk, his is 90 day No compete clause up yet, anyone know?

Edited July 6, 2010 by JO_75

[Wacko4Zacko]

I see Sheamus retaining the title against Cena at MITB and Nexus will come out making us think they will attack him and instead all start beating down on Cena, thus having Sheamus align himself with Nexus, and whoever wins the RAW MITB(in which I think it's Ted Dibiase) will be built up and given time to make us think he is ready to challenge for the title. Triple H will return either next night on Raw(similar to Batista) with his trusty sledgehammer and beat the hell out of anyone moving, or they'll make him out to be the savior and hold his return for another week where the Nexus will be beating up on every Raw Superstar and Lawler/Cole will be saying, we need help the Raw guys are outnumbered someone has got to help us.... Cue Motorhead and Triple H with his sledgehammer to do the above.

Too many RAW stars for NeXuS to be ebating up. Unless the 7 heels help the NeXus. So we should expect HHH to be back before the MiTB PPV? or maybe he returns at the PPV?

[AwakenTheDemon]

I'll groan if Ted DiBiase wins MiTB. Only reason I look forward to his matches lately is so I can see Maryse. Honestly, I'd have The Miz win MiTB, at least he's won some singles titles. If Ted were to win, totally wouldn't be surprised to see him be the first MiTB winner to not win the title when he cashes it in.

[Wacko4Zacko]

I think cody Rhodes should win SD MiTB. yes he is young and has a speech impediment. But he is a great superstar, and the perfect heel to hate. I am enjoying the whole self centered, "Dashing" Cody Rhodes gimmick. SD has a face as the champion, so it'd be ideal to have a heel win the MiTB match.

However I see Christian , who in my opinion is way overdue a good push and way overdue a title shot, I see him winning it and holding onto it for a good while. I am a huge Christian fan, so I'll be glad if he wins as well.

Edited July 8, 2010 by Wacko4Zacko

[AwakenTheDemon]

I'm truly disappointed with SmackDown's MiTB contenders really. Cody Rhodes isn't main event status, and like Ted, hasn't even done much in the singles world. Matt Hardy is a fat, boring, shell of his former self. Truthfully, the WWE shouldn't have brought him back, let him go to TNA with his brother. Kane, I just can't see him as a World Heavyweight Champion anymore, he's in the twilight of his career and is much better in a supporting, mid-card role. Kofi, Big Show, and Christian are the only ones currently announced who I feel could win and actually deserve it. Hell, Big Show should already be World Heavyweight Champion. Mysterio as "World Champion" disgusts me.

I do agree about Christian, he should have been pushed long ago. His brother/best-friend/whatever-new-connection-WWE-Comes-Up-With Edge is a 9 time world champion, while Christian just sort of stagnates in WWE, never getting more than midcard championships. The guy wins two world championships in TNA then comes back to the WWE only to win the ECW Championship twice and then get stuck in the midcard again.

Edited July 7, 2010 by AwakenTheDemon

[Wacko4Zacko]

Dont get me wrong I am a fan of Christian, but if he wins SD MiTB, its unlikely Edge will win RAW MiTB. U

Also ATD, Do you honestly see Big Show climbing up a ladder? lolz. I don't.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Show might not climb it swiftly or quickly, but he can climb it. He has the advantage of not needing to be that high on the ladder to reach the case too. His problem is getting there before someone knocks him off.

[BloodRaven]

Chelsea from TNA over Maryse and her bad extensions.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Chelsea is so incredibly plain.

[FlaccoFlicker]

got up thru TNA yesterday so just have to watch smackdown,raw and nexus to be caught up.TNA was actually a little more entertaining then past weeks.Like the turning Abyss back into the monster,NXT was interesting form last week the dreaded keg lift lol

[FlaccoFlicker]

LOL Dashing Cody Rhodes-the Narcissist version 3.0-and you know what the gimmick still bores the hell out of me after the third time

[AwakenTheDemon]

Cody Rhodes bores the hell out of no matter what his gimmick is. Not to mention, I wanted to punch him in the face when he said "'Dashing' Cody Rhodes" like 15 times when he debuted that gimmick.

[FlaccoFlicker]

what the hell is up with this Alberto Dl Rio guy his promo vids are boring as hell

[FlaccoFlicker]

Cody Rhodes bores the hell out of no matter what his gimmick is. Not to mention, I wanted to punch him in the face when he said "'Dashing' Cody Rhodes" like 15 times when he debuted that gimmick.

don't know what's worse the way he says it or the way Matt Striker says it

[AwakenTheDemon]

what the hell is up with this Alberto Dl Rio guy his promo vids are boring as hell

I don't know either. I was watching Smackdown yesterday (since I don't get the channel at my house, I make my girlfriend DVR them), and I almost fastforwarded through his first promo since I couldn't even tell it was actually part of wrestling. Incredibly boring, his gimmick is supposed to be... an honest latino man? However, I'm sure he'll really just be a heel, who cheats to win. Sorry, I don't need a poor man's Eddie Guerrero

Edited July 7, 2010 by AwakenTheDemon

[AwakenTheDemon]

don't know what's worse the way he says it or the way Matt Striker says it

Everything Striker says is annoying lol Nothing is worse than when he calls Layla his "little english muffin" though. That is the worst fake English accent I've heard in a long time.

[Wacko4Zacko]

I always thought kane was good enough to be a world or wwe champion, but I guess not.

[FlaccoFlicker]

I always thought kane was good enough to be a world or wwe champion, but I guess not.

He was for 1 whole freaking whopping day,always been underused

[Wacko4Zacko]

I remember he had a nice feud going on with Edge for the World Title, but then he injured Edge and that F'ed it all up.

Edited July 7, 2010 by Wacko4Zacko