The Pro Wrestling Thread

[MagicianCamille]

Ambrose is a great talker and wrestler so I don't really care what happens to the other two guys as long as the real star gets pushed.

[BloodRaven]

Well Big E. langston should have had Reigns spot and Ohno with Rollins spot.

[theFRANCHISE]

Yeah, and Ambrose is the new Internet Flavor within the IWC. Reigns is Rock's cousin? Wow.

Reigns is part of the Anoa'i/Maivia Samoan wrestling family tree that includes The Rock, Yokozuna, the Usos, Rikishi, Umaga, the Wild Samoans, etc. He's the son of Sika from the Wild Samoans and the brother of Rosey (Three-Minute Warning and the Hurricane's sidekick).

Ambrose is legit, even though the one time I saw him in-person wasn't that impressive. YouTube the man.

[TreTheRaven]

I like RyBack's wrestling ability, however his mic skills bother me for some reason.

Anyone else feel the same?

[theFRANCHISE]

Ryback's mic skills aren't horrible but they're certainly not special. Better than Goldberg and more than good enough to keep him as a main eventer if he can continue improving his ring work.

I'm thinking it's all of the breathing that bothers you. Bothers me, too.

[JO_75]

Cena vs Ziggler now...... and so I guess Punk vs Kane is the Main Event? This Raw is horribly written. Also, you built up enough with Cena/Ziggler where it could lead to a match at TLC and people would care yet you give the match away on Raw?

[TreTheRaven]

Ryback's mic skills aren't horrible but they're certainly not special. Better than Goldberg and more than good enough to keep him as a main eventer if he can continue improving his ring work.

I'm thinking it's all of the breathing that bothers you. Bothers me, too.

Yeah, that could very well be. I was never a fan of Goldberg's mic skills either. But I do agree though that RyBack does have the talent to be a main eventer.

[theFRANCHISE]

Cena vs Ziggler now...... and so I guess Punk vs Kane is the Main Event? This Raw is horribly written. Also, you built up enough with Cena/Ziggler where it could lead to a match at TLC and people would care yet you give the match away on Raw?

I think the idea with Cena-Ziggler is to have the physicality escalate with each match and backstage altercation until it leads to a gimmick match at TLC -- probably a ladder match or straight-up TLC match with Ziggler's briefcase on the line.

Also, we've seen Cena-Ziggler before, so it's not as if they've thrown away a fresh match-up. As long as the violence between the two keeps ramping up, the big payoff will be this one-off PPV match that will help people see Ziggler as a main-eventer before he cashes in his briefcase.

[FerrariFan87]

Ziggler hasn't cashed his MITB briefcase yet? What's he waiting for, exactly?

[BloodRaven]

Ziggler hasn't cashed his MITB briefcase yet? What's he waiting for, exactly?

Vince is probably waiting for him to get over, Ziggler getting the MITB rub was probably a gamble with the hope that something switches on for him. Personally I think he's more than held his own without Vickie as his crutch. He's 32 so it's now or never.

[JO_75]

Ziggler hasn't cashed his MITB briefcase yet? What's he waiting for, exactly?

He's feuding with Cena right now as his test feud before he cashes in. On the other hand, he is waiting for creative to tell him when he can cash in.

[BloodRaven]

That match with Sheamus and Cesaro was the best match I've seen since MITB 2011. They need to pair Cesaro with Sandow and let Rhodes do his own thing.

[TreTheRaven]

I hate to ask, but what happened to the Pay Per View title Armageddon for December?

And RyBack in a TLC match for the title, just doesn't seem up his alley for some reason. More so for Punk. Safe to assume that it's going to be the Rock and Punk at Rumble then?

Edited November 29, 2012 by TreTheRaven

[JO_75]

I hate to ask, but what happened to the Pay Per View title Armageddon for December?

And RyBack in a TLC match for the title, just doesn't seem up his alley for some reason. More so for Punk. Safe to assume that it's going to be the Rock and Punk at Rumble then?

Pretty much, but that would kill any momentum Ryback has built up the last several months. I personally thought that it should have been Ryback vs Ambrose, Reigns and Rollins in a 3 on 1 Handicap Tables Match at TLC.

As for Armageddon, TLC replaced it beginning in 2009. Armageddon hasn't happened since 2008, same with the former April PPV, Backlash.

[TreTheRaven]

Pretty much, but that would kill any momentum Ryback has built up the last several months. I personally thought that it should have been Ryback vs Ambrose, Reigns and Rollins in a 3 on 1 Handicap Tables Match at TLC.

As for Armageddon, TLC replaced it beginning in 2009. Armageddon hasn't happened since 2008, same with the former April PPV, Backlash.

For some reason I thought it had still existed 2 years ago. Sheesh, my memory is starting to fail me at my age, lol. I remember BackLash disappearing. I just don't recall Armageddon being taken away.

[theFRANCHISE]

That match with Sheamus and Cesaro was the best match I've seen since MITB 2011. They need to pair Cesaro with Sandow and let Rhodes do his own thing.

Cesaro is gold. He just needs to be allowed to do his own thing; this heel-foreigner gimmick will only take him so far.

Rhodes is ready for the main event push; he just needs the right opponent to convince the audience of that. Sandow is on the cusp of being ready for a strong singles push, but I don't mind keeping him in the tag division as long as he's featured prominently.

For all of our criticism of WWE, I have tons more optimism about the future of their roster than I do TNA. I can sense that the next 5 years will be fun to watch, particularly once WWE finds that right balance in pleasing both hardcore and casual viewers.

[JO_75]

Cesaro is gold. He just needs to be allowed to do his own thing; this heel-foreigner gimmick will only take him so far.

Rhodes is ready for the main event push; he just needs the right opponent to convince the audience of that. Sandow is on the cusp of being ready for a strong singles push, but I don't mind keeping him in the tag division as long as he's featured prominently.

For all of our criticism of WWE, I have tons more optimism about the future of their roster than I do TNA. I can sense that the next 5 years will be fun to watch, particularly once WWE finds that right balance in pleasing both hardcore and casual viewers.

Agreed. Speaking of TNA, why does it seem that now WWE and TNA are copying each other? I understand all wrestling companies copy off each other, but to rip off storylines while they are in progress is odd. First we had the whole AJ Styles and Dixie Carter hotel footage to try to prove they were having a "relationship." Then just a few months later, Vickie accuses AJ of having an affair with Cena, with hotel footage that was similar to TNA's footage.

For a while TNA had an announcer at the beginning of each show highlighting storylines, now WWE does. Now TNA is going with an angle where Austin Aries(and man I wish he didn't have to suffer in TNA, would love to see him in WWE) is accusing Bubba Ray of having an affair with Brooke Hogan.

Seriously, do both TNA and WWE have so many uncreative writers that they have to steal ideas from one another? Vince, I put in my application to be a writer, call me! Call Franchise, call anyone who has posted in this thread over the last year, we are all more creative than your current writers.

[theFRANCHISE]

I've tweeted for weeks about my idea of a Rock/Punk/Cena/Lesnar fatal 4-way at WrestleMania for the WWE Title but no one's listening...YET.

Again, my idea:

- Rock wins the WWE Title from Punk at the Rumble

- Punk enters the Rumble and wins as a "surprise" entrant

- The next night on RAW, Cena wins a match to become the #1 contender to the WWE Title at Elimination Chamber

- Lesnar interferes and costs Cena the WWE Title at Elimination Chamber

- An authority figure books Rock vs. Punk (the Rumble winner) vs. Cena (who "deserves" a fair shot) vs. Lesnar (who demands his shot) in a Fatal 4-Way for the WWE Title

The logic:

Rock has teased one last title run. A short reign would boost ratings and raise the profile of the WWE Title even more. Punk isn't hurt in dropping the title to Rock because it took a wrestling legend to beat him. Additionally, Punk winning the Rumble (ideally) slots him in the final match at WrestleMania, following up on his claim that he has earned the right to close every show.

Cena facing Rock at Elimination Chamber is three birds in one stone: 1) it gets Rock vs. Cena II out of the way; 2) it takes care of at least one title defense for Rock; and 3) it gives a reason for Lesnar to insert himself into the main event of Mania.

Lesnar's last contractually-obligated appearance will likely be WrestleMania. To feed Lesnar's ego AND gain the attention of mainstream media, inserting Lesnar into the main event of Mania against a celebrity like The Rock elevates the main event.

To recap why this is should be the main event:

1) Massive starpower in one match

2) Everyone involved is protected and their strengths amplified

3) Punk gets the rub just for being seen on the same level as three household names, even if he doesn't win

[FerrariFan87]

I'd watch that in a heartbeat. You should probably send your resume to WWE lol, they could use you!

[TreTheRaven]

Seems like they may have run out of ideas with Dolph, and the money in the bank brief case. By offering yet another shot at it between him and Cena, yet extending it out even further.

[JO_75]

I'd watch that in a heartbeat. You should probably send your resume to WWE lol, they could use you!

I did it, I applied to be a creative writer and while I probably won't get a call it's worth a shot.

Seems like they may have run out of ideas with Dolph, and the money in the bank brief case. By offering yet another shot at it between him and Cena, yet extending it out even further.

I was reading how Ziggler and Orton are supposed to be centered around the World Title so that probably means Orton isn't turning heel anytime soon unless of course they take the MITB brief case from Dolph to put it back on Super Man, have Cena win the title from Big Show and give Orton a reason to turn heel by having Orton and Cena feud again.

[theFRANCHISE]

My predicted WrestleMania 29 card:

1) WWE Title - The Rock vs. CM Punk vs. John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar

2) The Undertaker vs. Ryback

3) World Heavyweight Title - Dolph Ziggler vs. Randy Orton

4) Tag Titles - Team Hell No vs. the Primetime Players vs. Epico & Primo vs. Damien Sandow & Cody Rhodes

5) Rey Mysterio vs. Sin Cara

6) Money in the Bank - Wade Barrett vs. The Miz vs. Antonio Cesaro vs. Kofi Kingston vs. R-Truth vs. Alberto Del Rio vs. Sheamus vs. Big Show

7) Divas Championship Battle Royal

Maybe Triple H is the special referee for one of the three main events? Otherwise, I don't see him entering a feud with any of them, and I sincerely hope they don't do Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar again. Everyone else will likely be on the pre-show battle royal.

[JO_75]

Breaking News regarding TLC: CM Punk IS OUT of TLC and the scheduled WWE Title Match between Ryback vs Punk in a TLC Match is NOT going to happen. Punk had emergency knee surgery and from Vince himself has said that based upon the events at Raw, it will be a Team Hell No & Ryback facing The Shield in a Tables, Ladders and Chairs Match. This will be the first TLC match that can end in a pin or submission.

Vince also made note to mention that Ryback will STILL get his title shot at Ryback in the NEAR FUTURE.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwetlc/2012/mr-mcmahon-issues-statement-regarding-injured-punk-wwe-tlc-26073769

[TreTheRaven]

Breaking News regarding TLC: CM Punk IS OUT of TLC and the scheduled WWE Title Match between Ryback vs Punk in a TLC Match is NOT going to happen. Punk had emergency knee surgery and from Vince himself has said that based upon the events at Raw, it will be a Team Hell No & Ryback facing The Shield in a Tables, Ladders and Chairs Match. This will be the first TLC match that can end in a pin or submission.

Vince also made note to mention that Ryback will STILL get his title shot at Ryback in the NEAR FUTURE.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwetlc/2012/mr-mcmahon-issues-statement-regarding-injured-punk-wwe-tlc-26073769

Bah. I wonder if this means a triple threat match for the Rock, Punk, and Ryback at Royal Rumble. That would be fairly interesting.

[TreTheRaven]

Is AJ going to cost Cena the match this Sunday now?

[JO_75]

Is AJ going to cost Cena the match this Sunday now?

BINGO!

I love AJ even more now and I don't think that's even possible lol.

Just a few points from TLC:

1. The Shield vs Ryback/Team Hell No was way better than I expected. I really thought it was going to end the PPV but then they put it in the middle of the card which was a bad spot. Even though Cena/Ziggler was a great match(IMO) I still think the Shield vs Ryback/Team Hell No should have ended the PPV.

2. While I'm sure some of it was Ziggler carrying Cena through the match, Cena did impress me, especially with the head scissors. I don't believe that in Cena's 10 years with the WWE I ever seen him due a head scissors of any kind. Never thought it was possible but Cena finally learned a new move! He now has 6 moves of doom. Speaking of which....

3. AJ's Five Knuckle Shuffle > Cena's Five Knuckle Shuffle.

That is all.

[bauer77]

BINGO!

I love AJ even more now and I don't think that's even possible lol.

Just a few points from TLC:

1. The Shield vs Ryback/Team Hell No was way better than I expected. I really thought it was going to end the PPV but then they put it in the middle of the card which was a bad spot. Even though Cena/Ziggler was a great match(IMO) I still think the Shield vs Ryback/Team Hell No should have ended the PPV.

2. While I'm sure some of it was Ziggler carrying Cena through the match, Cena did impress me, especially with the head scissors. I don't believe that in Cena's 10 years with the WWE I ever seen him due a head scissors of any kind. Never thought it was possible but Cena finally learned a new move! He now has 6 moves of doom. Speaking of which....

3. AJ's Five Knuckle Shuffle > Cena's Five Knuckle Shuffle.

That is all.

Agreed with all of this, especially #1 and #3. haha

[TreTheRaven]

Who was that last guy? Am I that out of wrestling? Or have I just missed something in the WWE?

[JO_75]

Who was that last guy? Am I that out of wrestling? Or have I just missed something in the WWE?

Apparently another guy from NXT their developmental program called Big E. Langston. I'm all for new guys coming in but don't rush everyone up at once. Am I the only who thought bringing Langston up at this time is horrible considering he looks similar to Ryback?

[TreTheRaven]

Apparently another guy from NXT their developmental program called Big E. Langston. I'm all for new guys coming in but don't rush everyone up at once. Am I the only who thought bringing Langston up at this time is horrible considering he looks similar to Ryback?

Isn't or wasn't the Shield a part of NXT? If so, wouldn't that leave questions about AJ's affiliation with them?