The Pro Wrestling Thread

[theFRANCHISE]

I think Taker will be involved either during the match or after it,with the lights going off and then on and him choke slamming someone.

It'd be interesting if there was a swerve and a mini-heel turn and 'Taker takes out Mysterio instead of Kane.

[JO_75]

It'd be interesting if there was a swerve and a mini-heel turn and 'Taker takes out Mysterio instead of Kane.

That would be something, now you talking about a mini heel turn for Rey or Taker? I think there is less risk involved turning Rey heel than turning Cena heel. Granted Cena needs a heel turn but it just won't happen yet. Now Mysterio like I said a page back I think would be perfect to swerve the fans and join the SES saying he, Punk, Gallows and Mercury attacked the Undertaker. Though the 2 problems at this point is the SES is in a feud with Big Show, and second they already ruled Punk out with the bar footage, unless they have Punk admit that tape was from a week before or something.

Right Now I'm hoping for something different rather than Kane like the SES and Rey joining them, or the other option would be Triple H reveals himself to be the leader of Nexus and says he and Nexus attacked Taker.

[theFRANCHISE]

That would be something, now you talking about a mini heel turn for Rey or Taker? I think there is less risk involved turning Rey heel than turning Cena heel. Granted Cena needs a heel turn but it just won't happen yet. Now Mysterio like I said a page back I think would be perfect to swerve the fans and join the SES saying he, Punk, Gallows and Mercury attacked the Undertaker. Though the 2 problems at this point is the SES is in a feud with Big Show, and second they already ruled Punk out with the bar footage, unless they have Punk admit that tape was from a week before or something.

Right Now I'm hoping for something different rather than Kane like the SES and Rey joining them, or the other option would be Triple H reveals himself to be the leader of Nexus and says he and Nexus attacked Taker.

I was thinking of briefly turning 'Taker heel. He would side with Kane and take out Mysterio, even though there's no proof that Mysterio did it. He wouldn't have to wrestle as much because he has Kane as his muscle, doing his bidding while 'Taker just does freaky stunts with lightning and some occasional beatdowns and ambushes. I don't really have a resolution to the feud, I'd just want to see something different.

Turning Mysterio and joining the SES, as you suggested, would be a nice idea but I feel as if that was something that should've been months ago, back when membership was the stipulation for two of Mysterio's matches with Punk. I agree that there'd be less risk in turning Mysterio, especially since SmackDown's move to SyFy will lose some of their targeted Hispanic demographic anyway; it was reported in a trade magazine that the loss of that demographic (as well as the segment of Middle America that doesn't have cable) would possibly happen, given that The CW (formerly UPN) was more widely available than SyFy. So, in terms of business, it would make sense to do it soon, even if it's a brief move. Additionally, with WWE's brief interest in bringing in and repackaging more well-known luchadores, that market share can still be regained.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Tonight is the night.First time in about a year I have been pumped up for a TNA ppv.And ironically it has nothing to do with TNA(if they do it right).Hardcore Justice I can not wait of course have to watch the replay at 11 cuz I work but I will enjoy this I hope

[theFRANCHISE]

Too bad Jerry Lynn reaggravated his injury and had to pull out of the main event. I wonder what Jeff Jarrett's big (non-wrestling) surprise is...

[FlaccoFlicker]

Too bad Jerry Lynn reaggravated his injury and had to pull out of the main event. I wonder what Jeff Jarrett's big (non-wrestling) surprise is...

i can only guess Heyman

[theFRANCHISE]

i can only guess Heyman

I hope so. But that doesn't mean I'll be holding my breath for a better product after a month has passed.

[FlaccoFlicker]

ill do a report after i watch

[JO_75]

Tonight is the night. First time in about a year I have been pumped up for a TNA PPV.And ironically it has nothing to do with TNA(if they do it right).Hardcore Justice I can not wait of course have to watch the replay at 11 cuz I work but I will enjoy this I hope

Well you may be excited but I read something interesting, some TNA Talent are not happy with the focus being on ECW and the past.

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/stories/Report_TNA_Talents_Not_Required_At_HardCORE_J.shtml

TNA talent feels that the company should be looking forward and not backwards, to ECW or even to old WWE or WCW storylines.

As many as 10 to 15 wrestlers are said to be unhappy with the emphasis on ECW recently and considering a move to WWE

So you may be happy but unknown TNA originals aren't happy, and I would like to know who is considering a move to the WWE because there are several TNA Talent I would love to see in the WWE(Motor City Machine Guns, Samoa Joe, Desmond Wolf)

Too bad Jerry Lynn re-aggravated his injury and had to pull out of the main event. I wonder what Jeff Jarrett's big (non-wrestling) surprise is...

Well see that's thing I have been trying to figure it out, some say it's doing PPV style shows on Free TV while cutting back on PPVs, and also some believe it's Heyman. Here's what JJ said on his twitter:

"FYI...I NEVER said my "news" I was going to talk about was wrestling related...but, a NDA was signed, so clues still to come...but later..."

So who knows what it is but it should be interesting.

Edited August 8, 2010 by JO_75

[theFRANCHISE]

That's got to be pretty bad, that TNA talent would actually consider going to WWE, even just as a move strictly for financial security. There were tons of guys in the past who signed with TNA just for the chance to be a in a start-up company with an emphasis on wrestling ability, rather than take the guaranteed money and languish in obscurity.

Vince McMahon, if smart, would put his ego aside just this once and welcome the TNA talent, and then allow them to build off their past success rather than do a complete reboot. Let them use their reputations and the company will be even bigger than it was before. It'll be similar to the WWF/E in 2001-2003, when they had never housed so many big and internationally-known names before.

Just off the top of my head, guys working for the WWF/E in that span:

The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H, The Undertaker, Kane, Big Show, Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, Booker T, Rob Van Dam, Edge, Christian, The Dudley Boyz, The Hardy Boyz, Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Randy Orton, Batista, John Cena, Chris Jericho, Diamond Dallas Page, Scott Steiner...

And those are just the guys who've been in the main event picture or the upper-tier in the past two decades. That's not to mention internationally-known or underappreciated talent like Ultimo Dragon, Perry Saturn, Dean Malenko, Tazz, William Regal, Billy Kidman, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, Stevie Richards, etc.

That's a ton of talent under one roof, and more than enough guys to make the most stacked promotion ever. And that's not even including the mid-card and lower-card guys. If WWE does the same with the TNA talent that may defect, they could conceivably have the world's most talented roster once again.

[theFRANCHISE]

It's been announced via Dixie Carter's Twitter feed that the main event for Hardcore Justice will now be RVD vs. Sabu, at RVD's request. Not a bad replacement at all, but I feel as if that match-up is more for the casual fans than the ones who don't mind chain-wrestling. Jerry Lynn brings out the best in RVD in terms of his mat skills. I expect this match with Sabu to be a spotfest.

[XxSizzleXx]

Woah this thread has gotten massive, you guys really like wrestling huh?

[theFRANCHISE]

Woah this thread has gotten massive, you guys really like wrestling huh?

I loved it as a teenager, lost interest once college started, then got back into it because I still love the science behind it.

[JO_75]

That's got to be pretty bad, that TNA talent would actually consider going to WWE, even just as a move strictly for financial security. There were tons of guys in the past who signed with TNA just for the chance to be a in a start-up company with an emphasis on wrestling ability, rather than take the guaranteed money and languish in obscurity.

Vince McMahon, if smart, would put his ego aside just this once and welcome the TNA talent, and then allow them to build off their past success rather than do a complete reboot. Let them use their reputations and the company will be even bigger than it was before. It'll be similar to the WWF/E in 2001-2003, when they had never housed so many big and internationally-known names before.

Just off the top of my head, guys working for the WWF/E in that span:

The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H, The Undertaker, Kane, Big Show, Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, Booker T, Rob Van Dam, Edge, Christian, The Dudley Boyz, The Hardy Boyz, Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Randy Orton, Batista, John Cena, Chris Jericho, Diamond Dallas Page, Scott Steiner...

That's a ton of talent under one roof, and more than enough guys to make the most stacked promotion ever. And that's not even including the mid-card and lower-card guys. If WWE does the same with the TNA talent that may defect, they could conceivably have the world's most talented roster once again.

Yeah look at Chris Harris, Vince screwed him over and left him to nothing, and now look at Kaval who is stuck with Lay-Cool so if he does acquire some more TNA Talent than he should just bring them in and go off their past history. I'm hoping Vince has took a look at Awesome Kong and some of the Knockouts TNA released to bring them in to help revive the Diva Division.

I just can't believe TNA is risking a lot to do another ECW Reunion and ignoring their own talent. Funny thing is, Hogan on Impact last Thursday cut a promo with Nash saying how their time was over and how it's time for guys like Jay Lethal, AJ Styles, Motor City Machine Guns, Beer Money and talked about how they are going to take TNA to the next level... yet those guys who Hogan said will take TNA to the next level are now playing second fiddle to all the ECW guys... and for Hogan to be going along with the Hardcore Justice PPV and supporting it, going out and saying these are the guys who will take TNA to the next level, and to leave them out in the dust, makes Hogan sound like a hypocrite that Chris Jericho loves to speak about.

[theFRANCHISE]

I just can't believe TNA is risking a lot to do another ECW Reunion and ignoring their own talent. Funny thing is, Hogan on Impact last Thursday cut a promo with Nash saying how their time was over and how it's time for guys like Jay Lethal, AJ Styles, Motor City Machine Guns, Beer Money and talked about how they are going to take TNA to the next level... yet those guys who Hogan said will take TNA to the next level are now playing second fiddle to all the ECW guys... and for Hogan to be going along with the Hardcore Justice PPV and supporting it, going out and saying these are the guys who will take TNA to the next level, and to leave them out in the dust, makes Hogan sound like a hypocrite that Chris Jericho loves to speak about.

Consider how much money is being wasted, probably paying extra for some of the bigger ECW names they're bringing in, just for one appearance, not to mention having to put storylines on the backburner. On top of that, for the profit they'll be making from this one pay-per-view, they're risking the loss of some of their own talent because of their frustration with their lack of appearances -- and not just the guys who are on a pay-per-appearance deal.

The only reason TNA is able to turn any sort of profit is because they don't travel much, they have small production values, and they produce fewer shows than the competition. That said, they can't be cheap and stop limiting their guaranteed contracts to only the marquee names; they need to give financial security to the guys who are the future of the company. I'm not just talking about an A.J. Styles, but a guy like a Jay Lethal or an Eric Young or anyone else who has any mediocum of talent and could potentially be a star if given the right opportunity. You always need insurance in case a top guy like Styles or Kurt Angle goes down.

[JO_75]

Consider how much money is being wasted, probably paying extra for some of the bigger ECW names they're bringing in, just for one appearance, not to mention having to put storylines on the backburner. On top of that, for the profit they'll be making from this one pay-per-view, they're risking the loss of some of their own talent because of their frustration with their lack of appearances -- and not just the guys who are on a pay-per-appearance deal.

The only reason TNA is able to turn any sort of profit is because they don't travel much, they have small production values, and they produce fewer shows than the competition. That said, they can't be cheap and stop limiting their guaranteed contracts to only the marquee names; they need to give financial security to the guys who are the future of the company. I'm not just talking about an A.J. Styles, but a guy like a Jay Lethal or an Eric Young or anyone else who has any mediocum of talent and could potentially be a star if given the right opportunity. You always need insurance in case a top guy like Styles or Kurt Angle goes down.

Thing is about TNA, is that some talents get paid per appearance so no appearance means no money. I mean I'm sure AJ has guaranteed money and isn't on a pay by appearance pay roll but your right guys like MCMG, Beer Money, Jay Lethal and a few others should be given a guaranteed money deal where they get paid no matter what.

Franchise let me ask you, is there anyone in TNA that has no connection to the WWE and who has been a TNA Original from the beginning you would like to see in the WWE? My list would be:

- Samoa Joe

- AJ Styles

- Motor City Machine Guns

- Awesome Kong(Free Agent again)

- ODB(Free Agent again but her and Kong would help the Divas Division big time)

- Madison Rayne/Velvet Sky

- Jay Lethal

[AwakenTheDemon]

I find Samoa Joe to be pretty boring, myself.

[theFRANCHISE]

Thing is about TNA, is that some talents get paid per appearance so no appearance means no money. I mean I'm sure AJ has guaranteed money and isn't on a pay by appearance pay roll but your right guys like MCMG, Beer Money, Jay Lethal and a few others should be given a guaranteed money deal where they get paid no matter what.

Franchise let me ask you, is there anyone in TNA that has no connection to the WWE and who has been a TNA Original from the beginning you would like to see in the WWE? My list would be:

- Samoa Joe

- AJ Styles

- Motor City Machine Guns

- Awesome Kong(Free Agent again)

- ODB(Free Agent again but her and Kong would help the Divas Division big time)

- Madison Rayne/Velvet Sky

- Jay Lethal

Actually, that is pretty much my list. I'd also like to see LAX and Chris Daniels, even though Daniels is no longer under contract.

I think Samoa Joe's character has been revamped so many times, I don't even know what he really is anymore. He just needs to go back to basics and be a no-nonsense machine, with no alliances and no regard to anyone around him. Sure, that's been done to death and is pretty bland, but look at the man himself: he's in below-average shape but has above-average skills. If anyone can take "average" and make it phenomenal (no AJ Styles reference intended), Joe could probably get it done.

The triple threat match for the world title with Joe, Kurt Angle, and Daniels still stands as one of the few TNA matches that I've thoroughly enjoyed and found no fault in.

On a separate but related note, I'd love to see Kurt Angle return home to WWE. He still has a reasonably good professional relationship with Vince McMahon and hasn't burned his bridges with the company, even when Vince Russo asked him to. McMahon would be a fool not to take Angle back and push him like the star he's always been.

I'd also like to see Rhino get another shot at midcard glory; I never thought he was main event material, but he's a serviceable worker and does the monster gimmick better than most.

[JO_75]

Actually, that is pretty much my list. I'd also like to see LAX and Chris Daniels, even though Daniels is no longer under contract.

I think Samoa Joe's character has been revamped so many times, I don't even know what he really is anymore. He just needs to go back to basics and be a no-nonsense machine, with no alliances and no regard to anyone around him. Sure, that's been done to death and is pretty bland, but look at the man himself: he's in below-average shape but has above-average skills. If anyone can take "average" and make it phenomenal (no AJ Styles reference intended), Joe could probably get it done.

The triple threat match for the world title with Joe, Kurt Angle, and Daniels still stands as one of the few TNA matches that I've thoroughly enjoyed and found no fault in.

On a separate but related note, I'd love to see Kurt Angle return home to WWE. He still has a reasonably good professional relationship with Vince McMahon and hasn't burned his bridges with the company, even when Vince Russo asked him to. McMahon would be a fool not to take Angle back and push him like the star he's always been.

Yeah there has only been a few TNA Matches I have enjoyed myself and recently that has been the Motor City Machine Guns vs Beer Money, takes me back to the memories of when the WWE had a great tag division. I also enjoyed the Jan 4th match between Angle/Styles. I don't know what it is but Styles and Angle have the best in ring chemistry I have seen from any 2 superstars ever. Granted Triple H/HBK could be argued when it comes to that, but anytime Angle/Styles go at it, they put on a great match.

I agree with you about Kurt coming back, I would like to see him do just that, he's done it all in TNA and we can already tell Kurt is going to be the # 1 contender for the TNA Title after he goes through the list of contenders. Kurt has said he wants to help the young guys, well Kurt you got the young guys in WWE, there's more young guys for him to help in the WWE than there is TNA.

I read WWE just signed another Ring Of Honor wrestler, Tyler Black. It should be interesting to see what he does with the WWE, I mean CM Punk came from ROH and his stardom took off.

[theFRANCHISE]

I read WWE just signed another Ring Of Honor wrestler, Tyler Black. It should be interesting to see what he does with the WWE, I mean CM Punk came from ROH and his stardom took off.

I think it's entirely possible that WWE would give him a decent push. Although there are plenty of examples of Vince burying well-known stars that he didn't build up himself (most of WCW, Gail Kim, Christian to an extent, Bryan Danielson, Low-Ki, Monty Brown), he's also shown a willingness to embrace stars from outside promotions if given the right situation (CM Punk, R-Truth, Booker T, Rey Mysterio).

It can't be all ego with Vince; otherwise, the company wouldn't be making any money right now since most of the stars have worked for outside promotions before, especially during the Attitude Era when both WWF and WCW were poaching talent from ECW and each other.

[JO_75]

Wouldn't it be much easier to just look at the results instead of watching the replay and keeping it all in one post instead of different posts for each segment. I didn't think it was that great of a PPV. For all the hype of it, it didn't live up to it's expectations. Now I hope TNA goes back to their storylines and pushing guys like AJ, Lethal, Motor City Machine Guns, Beer Money and the TNA ORIGINALS who were shoved aside for a non necessary ECW reunion.

Once their little ECW reunion goes away, so will the ratings all over again. This was in general a bad idea for TNA from the get go. They better be careful because TNA guys are upset they were tossed to side for this, and if TNA loses MCMG, Beer Money, AJ, Samoa Joe, or any good TNA wrestler to the WWE, TNA will be done.

Edited August 9, 2010 by JO_75

[FlaccoFlicker]

Wouldn't it be much easier to just look at the results instead of watching the replay. I didn't think it was that great of a PPV. For all the hype of it, it didn't live up to it's expectations. Now I hope TNA goes back to their storylines and pushing guys like AJ, Lethal, Motor City Machine Guns, Beer Money and the TNA ORIGINALS who were shoved aside for a non necessary ECW reunion.

Once their little ECW reunion goes away, so will the ratings all over again. This was in general a bad idea for TNA from the get go. They better be careful because TNA guys are upset they were tossed to side for this, and if TNA loses MCMG, Beer Money, AJ, Samoa Joe, or any good TNA wrestler to the WWE, TNA will be done.

for me no not really I wanted to see this,I was a fan of ECW from way back in the day.Sorry if my talking about it upset you any,I am just excited for it,I for one have been looking forward to it since I heard about it.They wanted Tommy to do the show the way he wanted,I think the time was past and unfortunaitly they couldnt get soome of the guys they wanted.

They will be going back to their story lines after tonight and thursdays impact is supposed to be PPV calibre.But the fact the ECW run raised their ratings I think that says something.

And in my opinion TNA was done the day Hogan and Bischoff took over

[FlaccoFlicker]

Match 4

Brother Runt vs Al Snow vs Rhino

Runt pins Snow after the Acid drop then Rhino gores Runt for the 123 victory

Edited August 9, 2010 by FlaccoFlicker

[Wacko4Zacko]

Um how dare you post TNA news in a WWE thread!? lolz

[FlaccoFlicker]

Um how dare you post TNA news in a WWE thread!? lolz

because I can and I have since Demon started this thread,unlike some blind sheep I know there is more to wrestling then the stuff Vince crams down my throat.Im a huge wrestling fan and try to watch everything lol

Edited August 9, 2010 by FlaccoFlicker

[AwakenTheDemon]

After I started the thread, I felt like I should have named it "The Wrestling Thread". Wrestling's wrestling, my friends. All is welcome to be discussed

[FlaccoFlicker]

After I started the thread, I felt like I should have named it "The Wrestling Thread". Wrestling's wrestling, my friends. All is welcome to be discussed

Mcintyre has spoken!

But Im done with the play by play seems I am the only one who enjoyed or am enjoying the PPV tonight

[FlaccoFlicker]

lol I remember when I was delivering papers in Baltimore and I had to take a customer their paper cuz it was stolen,when the door opened Axl Rotten was standing there,I was like here's your paper Axl,he was so cool aboout it.

weird seeing the Dudley's in tie die again and sweet seeing Gertner.

Edited August 9, 2010 by FlaccoFlicker

[FlaccoFlicker]

Sorry to anyone I annoyed with the marking ouot for ECW stuff really,JO,Demon,Franny

Edited August 9, 2010 by FlaccoFlicker

[theFRANCHISE]

After I started the thread, I felt like I should have named it "The Wrestling Thread". Wrestling's wrestling, my friends. All is welcome to be discussed

I must be practically all-knowing, because I had a feeling someone posted this and changed the title of the thread before I even saw the post.