The Pro Wrestling Thread

[AwakenTheDemon]

The Star Ship Pain from monday's Raw was waaay off the mark. It looked like it'd hurt Morrison more so than his opponent. So yeah, I'd agree he needs to work on the placement some more, it's very inconsistent.

[Wacko4Zacko]

Yeah I think Bourne would be a great candidate to win the US Championship from The Miz allowing him to concentrate and be built around MITB like you said. Plus if they weren't going to use Bourne in the 7 on 7 deal with Nexus(which Bourne should have been in over Truth) might as well continue his push and give him a title, as long as Bourne can actually defend the title and bring credibility back to that title.

Bourne winning the title could spice up this storyline or rather the feud that Bourne and Y2J have. It could now turn torwards the U.S. belt and now Y2J could maybe compete for U.S. title while he isn't in the ME picture. Bourne is very talented no doubt. Its obvious WWE likes him becuase they allow him to do the Star Shooting Press even thoug h it was like banned after Billy Kidman injuring someone. Plus Bourne executes it perfectly. I am a Bourne fan, so I will root for his 1st title, even if it is a tag title, but not sure who would be best suited to be his tag team partner....maybe a Justin Gabriel who turns face!

Edited July 23, 2010 by Wacko4Zacko

[AwakenTheDemon]

Honestly, I wouldn't be thrilled with Bourne winning a title until he can do an entire match with more than just kicks. Truthfully, his matches get real boring, real quick. I can only take so many kicks (with the occasional knee) in one match, so his ringwork doesn't impress me at all. Actually, everything about Bourne screams "generic" to me. His look is generic, his ringwork is unvaried and generic, his mannerisms are generic (there's more hand gestures aside from the "peace sign" Evan, and his mic skills are completely missing. If it weren't for him doing the SSP, I doubt anyone would really care about him or even pay attention to him.

[McBurks]

The Star Ship Pain from monday's Raw was waaay off the mark. It looked like it'd hurt Morrison more so than his opponent. So yeah, I'd agree he needs to work on the placement some more, it's very inconsistent.

It's like Hardy's swanton bomb,that move rarely hits and looks weak.

Honestly, I wouldn't be thrilled with Bourne winning a title until he can do an entire match with more than just kicks. Truthfully, his matches get real boring, real quick. I can only take so many kicks (with the occasional knee) in one match, so his ringwork doesn't impress me at all. Actually, everything about Bourne screams "generic" to me. His look is generic, his ringwork is unvaried and generic, his mannerisms are generic (there's more hand gestures aside from the "peace sign" Evan, and his mic skills are completely missing. If it weren't for him doing the SSP, I doubt anyone would really care about him or even pay attention to him.

If you watch some of his indie stuff he was amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkoDB63EjFE

When he first debuted in the WWE in 2008 he was doing all these high flying moves/spots and by September he was injured. He was smart and watered his offense down so he could still do some good spots but every week.

[BloodRaven]

Honestly, any angle could be dragged out into a meaty storyline if it was interesting enough and unpredictable.

[JO_75]

read it thri sescoops.com but then again Vince has thrown stuff out there to throw these types of sites off,i like that approach because surprises are fun

Yeah I just wonder how much Vince exaggerated on Cena's injury in 2007, I mean it was put out there that he would be gone past Wrestlemania 24, and he came back to win the Rumble. So maybe this is another thing to mess with the spoiler sites, so that if he does return at SS and joins Nexus it won't be expected and it would be more shocking since it was already out there that he would be gone until December.

The Star Ship Pain from Monday's Raw was waaay off the mark. It looked like it'd hurt Morrison more so than his opponent. So yeah, I'd agree he needs to work on the placement some more, it's very inconsistent.

Yeah it was, I like Morrison, and I think the SSP is a great move but it's just he can't pull it off right. I'm surprised nobody in the back has told him to move his opponent out further so it looks like he does more damage to his opponent. There are times it does connect right but just others it's way off.

[Wacko4Zacko]

I know we have a few months ahead of us, but Who do you guys think will win the RoyalRumble this year?

I have a few superstars who in my mind are legit contenders to win the Rumble.

Kofi Kingston - He is over with the crowd, great ring skills, coudl be better on the mic, I think he would make a good champion, I dont know if he has the ability ot headline Wrestlemania though.

Sheamus - If he isn't champion by this time, maybe WWE allows him to win the rumble. Last year we had a face win the rumble, so perhaps a heel wins it this year. Thats what the pattern for recent RR winners has been. Cena(face) then Orton(heel) then Edge(face). Then again most faces win the Royal Rumble.

The Miz - He won the MiTB, so I need to see how he will be built and see if he can handle the main event status, if he can then he could win the rumble. Miz could fail to cash the MiTB and not win and then win the royal rumble.

Wade Barrett - Even after this whole NeXuS thing is done, he will still be a main eventer, maybe WWE will let him win the rumble, but question is can Barret at the early stage of his carrer, Can he headline at Wrestle Mania? So maybe another year or two, but knowing WWE they may just give Barrett a huge push.

Y2J - Now I know he is getting older each year, but Y2J has a nice list of accomplishments, but one thing he dosnt have is a Royal Rumble win. We know Jericho can headline Wrestlemania, plus his contract is ending soon, maybe they bribe him in staying with WWE by telling him he will win the rumble. the WWE did it with Mysterio when he wanted a break, so I wouldn't put it past WWE to do the same with Jericho.

[theFRANCHISE]

I can see three men winning the Rumble: Kofi Kingston, The Miz, and Chris Jericho, for all the reasons listed above.

However, I'd rather not see The Miz be the first guy to fail to cash in his briefcase; rather, I want him to become champion ASAP because I think the kid is that ready for the big time.

Going a little outside the box, I'd still like to see Christian finally get over the hump in WWE and win a world title in the company, so having him win the Rumble and go on to face Edge in an epic encounter at WrestleMania would make sense, too. Even though a lot of the younger fans don't know about their past, there could be things in the coming months that could help them get up to speed...like an E&C reunion! (Yes, wishful thinking, I know...)

[AwakenTheDemon]

As much as Kofi is over with the fans, he's still solid upper-midcard talent right now. Personally, I just don't think he's quite ready for the main event scene. I do think he'll definitely get there one day, even if I find the "Boom Drop" to be one of the most annoying moves in the WWE right now

[JO_75]

I know we have a few months ahead of us, but Who do you guys think will win the Royal Rumble this year?

I have a few superstars who in my mind are legit contenders to win the Rumble.

Kofi Kingston - He is over with the crowd, great ring skills, could be better on the mic, I think he would make a good champion, I don't know if he has the ability ot headline Wrestlemania though.

Sheamus - If he isn't champion by this time, maybe WWE allows him to win the rumble. Last year we had a face win the rumble, so perhaps a heel wins it this year. That's what the pattern for recent RR winners has been. Cena(face) then Orton(heel) then Edge(face). Then again most faces win the Royal Rumble.

The Miz - He won the MiTB, so I need to see how he will be built and see if he can handle the main event status, if he can then he could win the rumble. Miz could fail to cash the MiTB and not win and then win the royal rumble.

Wade Barrett - Even after this whole NeXuS thing is done, he will still be a main eventer, maybe WWE will let him win the rumble, but question is can Barret at the early stage of his career, Can he headline at Wrestle Mania? So maybe another year or two, but knowing WWE they may just give Barrett a huge push.

Y2J - Now I know he is getting older each year, but Y2J has a nice list of accomplishments, but one thing he doesn't have is a Royal Rumble win. We know Jericho can headline Wrestlemania, plus his contract is ending soon, maybe they bribe him in staying with WWE by telling him he will win the rumble. the WWE did it with Mysterio when he wanted a break, so I wouldn't put it past WWE to do the same with Jericho.

This is tough to say in July because it is so hard to predict who is going to get a push and who won't.

Barrett is too young, give it 2 years, let him hold the US Title, tag team titles first before you give him a major title. Sheamus... maybe I mean it seems Vince is bent on making us believe Sheamus is a major threat and a credible champion. Kofi, his best chance to get a push was when he was feuding with Orton, and after that WWE dropped him back to Mid Card. The Miz, I'll say yes if he loses MITB which shouldn't happen, I think the Miz should be built up like Edge was the first time he won it. Jericho I can see winning given your scenario on keeping him happy by telling him he'll win the Royal Rumble.

My other choices to win the Rumble would be:

- Christian: Maybe finally Vince gives him a major push, certainly MITB was his best chance, but they went with Kane instead. Who he faces who knows, there is Edge because of the history.

- John Morrison: The Miz got his push at MITB and just maybe Morrison gets his push in the form of a Royal Rumble victory. This certainly would be a break in history where both members of a tag team went on to stardom in the WWE.

- Ted Dibiase/Cody Rhodes: This may be a long shot but I have a feeling that Ted or Cody could be guys come January that could win the Rumble.

- Triple H: Ok yeah he doesn't need the RR victory, but hey they could give it to him and have him face Orton, but this time it would be Heel Triple H vs Face Orton. Maybe Undertaker is WHC and ten years later from when Trips lost to Taker at WM 17, Trips decides to pursue the Undertaker and get the WHC, and do something Shawn couldn't do(he can say that to get the heel heat) that's end the streak.

- CM Punk: Let's not forget our Straight Edge Savior here, Punk had an impressive showing last year until Triple H entered the ring. CM Punk's push has stalled ever since forming the SES, and it seemed that Vince never did try to make the SES a great heel group. I felt the ball was dropped on the SES when they refused to have Mysterio lose and join the SES. A Rumble win and main eventing WM 27 would be a step toward giving the SES a push, and if Luke Gallows/Mercury form a tag team to get the tag titles and they let Serena wrestle for the Women's Championship.

Edited July 24, 2010 by JO_75

[AwakenTheDemon]

This is tough to say in July because it is so hard to predict who is going to get a push and who won't.

Barrett is too young, give it 2 years, let him hold the US Title, tag team titles first before you give him a major title. Sheamus... maybe I mean it seems Vince is bent on making us believe Sheamus is a major threat and a credible champion. Kofi, his best chance to get a push was when he was feuding with Orton, and after that WWE dropped him back to Mid Card. The Miz, I'll say yes if he loses MITB which shouldn't happen, I think the Miz should be built up like Edge was the first time he won it. Jericho I can see winning given your scenario on keeping him happy by telling him he'll win the Royal Rumble.

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- CM Punk: Let's not forget our Straight Edge Savior here, Punk had an impressive showing last year until Triple H entered the ring. CM Punk's push has stalled ever since forming the SES, and it seemed that Vince never did try to make the SES a great heel group. I felt the ball was dropped on the SES when they refused to have Mysterio lose and join the SES. A Rumble win and main eventing WM 27 would be a step toward giving the SES a push, and if Luke Gallows/Mercury form a tag team to get the tag titles and they let Serena wrestle for the Women's Championship.

However, unless I missed something, Wade has the guaranteed title shot in his back pocket. Also, I think he's above midcard status for the United States championship. I can understand not wanting to give him the WWE title right away, but he's just above the United States championship. Let him build up through matches and angles.

As for Serena, I'd love to see the SES with the World Heavyweight Title, Tag Team Titles, and Women's Championship. Both the tag title and women's championship scenes need new talent injected into them (especially with Beth Phoenix out). I've been waiting to see them finally have Serena wrestle, but I'm let down every week, on that aspect. It seems like a waste to just have her valet the SES when, if I remember correctly, she was pretty successful before coming to the WWE.

Luke Gallows isn't very interesting (in my opinion), and Mercury just came back. It'll be interesting to see if it is the WWE's intention to team them and see how it develops. Right now, I just couldn't see that team on both shows, it just wouldn't hold my interest. Both the potential to see the SES twice a week, that's something I could support.

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

Stacy keibler is the best thing to ever happen to wrestling.

Edited July 24, 2010 by BohBalmerOsbohs

[Wacko4Zacko]

So what should we expect tomarow night on RAW? Does Cena's team get beat down? Are the NexUS the last one's standing at the end of the show?

[theFRANCHISE]

I didn't catch SmackDown (didn't really care to), but I watched Kane's promo from last week...mannnn, that was probably the best promo of his career. Sure, that's not saying much for a guy who didn't do much talking with his gimmick, but it was simply captivating. The intensity had me sold and showed me that Kane has some acting chops if he really was given a chance.

Now that he's champ, he'll have to prove that he's not a fluke on the mic.

[JO_75]

I didn't catch SmackDown (didn't really care to), but I watched Kane's promo from last week...mannnn, that was probably the best promo of his career. Sure, that's not saying much for a guy who didn't do much talking with his gimmick, but it was simply captivating. The intensity had me sold and showed me that Kane has some acting chops if he really was given a chance.

Now that he's champ, he'll have to prove that he's not a fluke on the mic.

Kane has had decent mic skills just Vince has never given him a chance to show it until now.

Do you guys see them doing an angle where Bret Hart gets injured and is replaced by Bourne or some other superstar?

[FlaccoFlicker]

Kane has had decent mic skills just Vince has never given him a chance to show it until now.

Do you guys see them doing an angle where Bret Hart gets injured and is replaced by Bourne or some other superstar?

please i really don't by Hart being a threat lol

[Wacko4Zacko]

I hope Bret goes against the script turns on Team Cena.

SummerSlam screwjob!

[theFRANCHISE]

I hope Bret goes against the script turns on Team Cena.

SummerSlam screwjob!

That serves no purpose in further the storyline, though, if Bret isn't even guaranteed to stay with the company for the duration of the angle. Plus, as much as there'd be lapses in logic for Cena turning heel and being revealed as the mastermind behind Nexus, there'd be an even bigger gap in logic for Bret to be the mastermind or leader of Nexus after their assault on him and the incident with the car.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Logic is never part of it lol,NWO beat the holy hell out of all ther enew members.Cena would be a decent swerve it would be a Hogan like shockwave thru the business.

[Wacko4Zacko]

-- WWE has apparently placed a ban on talent wrestling with gloves on. Dolph Ziggler revealed this tidbit today on Twitter when was asked why he no longer wears gloves when he competes.

http://rajah.com/base/node/19815

So does this rule apply to Undertaker with his MMA style gloves or only other wrestlers?

[FlaccoFlicker]

http://rajah.com/base/node/19815

So does this rule apply to Undertaker with his MMA style gloves or only other wrestlers?

Hmm I don't know because it's part of his gimmick,kind of like when the WWE told people to dress in suits when the arrive and what not to look professional,Taker didn't because of his character.Who knows ,sounds like a stupid thing to me

[AwakenTheDemon]

I would like to know what the basis of a ban on gloves would be. Is there some huge glove debacle going on that I am not aware of?

[FlaccoFlicker]

I would like to know what the basis of a ban on gloves would be. Is there some huge glove debacle going on that I am not aware of?

i thought guys were always advised to wear gloves

and it is a dirt sheet type thing so who knows,

Edited July 26, 2010 by FlaccoFlicker

[FlaccoFlicker]

Stacy keibler is the best thing to ever happen to wrestling.

I didn't see this earlier I had to plus one you on that,she the best thing to happen to twitter and the Baltimore Ravens Cheerleaders too

[theFRANCHISE]

i thought guys were always advised to wear gloves

and it is a dirt sheet type thing so who knows,

I don't think it's true since MVP and Rey Mysterio are still wearing gloves.

If it's true, though, this should only affect a handful of guys (no pun intended). We'll see tonight if it's true if Michael Tarver, Goldust, or R-Truth aren't wearing their gloves (they're the only RAW superstars I can think of that wear gloves.)

[FlaccoFlicker]

I don't think it's true since MVP and Rey Mysterio are still wearing gloves.

If it's true, though, this should only affect a handful of guys (no pun intended). We'll see tonight if it's true if Michael Tarver, Goldust, or R-Truth aren't wearing their gloves (they're the only RAW superstars I can think of that wear gloves.)

ahh the guys wear gloves was ment as a joke for another body part lol

and doesn't Miz also wear gloves in ring?

Edited July 26, 2010 by FlaccoFlicker

[theFRANCHISE]

ahh the guys wear gloves was ment as a joke for another body part lol

Damn, you got me.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I don't think it's true since MVP and Rey Mysterio are still wearing gloves.

If it's true, though, this should only affect a handful of guys (no pun intended). We'll see tonight if it's true if Michael Tarver, Goldust, or R-Truth aren't wearing their gloves (they're the only RAW superstars I can think of that wear gloves.)

Goldust will just look odd with his full suit... without gloves.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Goldust will just look odd with his full suit... without gloves.

as long as he doesn't reveryt back to Manson Dust

[AwakenTheDemon]

Oh god, I remember Manson Dust. Which reminds me... I haaaaate Luna Vachon, such a horrendous looking woman.