The Pro Wrestling Thread

[JO_75]

NeXuS attacked NXT pros, does this mean SD is officially involved.

I don't know probably not. I mean now it seems like they have no idea what to do with this storyline, I mean they have done beat downs for weeks, and they destroyed the arena for couple weeks, it seems like they have no direction on what they want to do and where they want to go with it. It's just too bad they don't know how to evolve the angle and not have it get so repetitive so fast and in some cases boring.

Just wish they had gotten SD involved from the beginning and make it seem like a WWE vs Nexus and not Raw vs Nexus. With that it allows them to get more superstars involved, have more "shocking"(and I put that because of spoilers on the internet) events happen and WWE guys defecting to Nexus. Even to slow this storyline down, they could have just kept Nexus off Raw for a week.

Question, did anyone listen to Cena's promo in the beginning of Raw where he pretty much buried Sheamus as the champ by saying, that he is only a two time champion because he fell through the table "by accident" and because Nexus attacked the Fatal 4 Way guys and Sheamus just took advantage of it. I can't believe Cena buried Sheamus the way he did, especially the falling through the table part, lucky Cena is the face of the company because any other wrestler would be in trouble.

[McBurks]

I don't know probably not. I mean now it seems like they have no idea what to do with this storyline, I mean they have done beat downs for weeks, and they destroyed the arena for couple weeks, it seems like they have no direction on what they want to do and where they want to go with it. It's just too bad they don't know how to evolve the angle and not have it get so repetitive so fast and in some cases boring.

Just wish they had gotten SD involved from the beginning and make it seem like a WWE vs Nexus and not Raw vs Nexus. With that it allows them to get more superstars involved, have more "shocking"(and I put that because of spoilers on the internet) events happen and WWE guys defecting to Nexus. Even to slow this storyline down, they could have just kept Nexus off Raw for a week.

Question, did anyone listen to Cena's promo in the beginning of Raw where he pretty much buried Sheamus as the champ by saying, that he is only a two time champion because he fell through the table "by accident" and because Nexus attacked the Fatal 4 Way guys and Sheamus just took advantage of it. I can't believe Cena buried Sheamus the way he did, especially the falling through the table part, lucky Cena is the face of the company because any other wrestler would be in trouble.

I wouldn't say Cena was trying to bury him,just trying to show the fans how much of a heel he is. Shaemus, like a heel,will take advantage of a situation even if it's not fair.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Simba

[Wacko4Zacko]

So should we expect NeXuS to make an appearence at MiTB?

[McBurks]

So should we expect NeXuS to make an appearence at MiTB?

Probably,I see them interfering in the Cena/Sheamus match and making it a no contest.

[theFRANCHISE]

It looks like current plans are to extend this Nexus invasion angle and breathe new life into it by having a major name be revealed as the true leader. Rumors are that Triple H may turn heel upon his return and assume this leadership role. John Cena's name has also been thrown in the hat to turn heel, though that wouldn't explain all the beatdowns that he's received and why he's been targeted weekly.

I would love to see a Cena heel turn, even if the logic isn't there. Cena's gimmick needs to be refreshed ASAP.

[FlaccoFlicker]

It looks like current plans are to extend this Nexus invasion angle and breathe new life into it by having a major name be revealed as the true leader. Rumors are that Triple H may turn heel upon his return and assume this leadership role. John Cena's name has also been thrown in the hat to turn heel, though that wouldn't explain all the beatdowns that he's received and why he's been targeted weekly.

I would love to see a Cena heel turn, even if the logic isn't there. Cena's gimmick needs to be refreshed ASAP.

the beatdowns fit perfectly "if you can't beat them,join them"

remember back in the old wcw days when the NWO wouold be the living crap ouot of someone the next few weeks they would join.That would be a major swerve to have Cena turn heel.Wonder how long they want to run this.Could it run long enouogh to set up some type of Survivor Series match?I doubt it that would have it last to Novemeber

[Wacko4Zacko]

Here are a fewthings that WWE should do to spice up the NeXuS angle.

1. Let them take over RAW, like maybea mtch ro battle royal involving the NeXuS and winner gets to be GM on the next RAW.

2. Start tagging and destroying stuff backstage, not just the ring area. Just spray paint a yellow "N" on superstars or WWE property.

3. NeXus should just screw RAW and take over in general, get control of the show, destroy the computer GM stand with the laptop and they take charge.

4. Have a superstar defect to the NeXuS.

IMO the beatdowns are getting to be an obvious and predictable thing. I think one Cena needs to get beat down and WWE superstars arent there to help. I mean WWE lockeroom just keeps comming to the save and that isn't fun, the NeXuS need to be the one's left standing at end of the show as well.

[FlaccoFlicker]

no no tagging its been over done with the NWO and DX,the Dudes in Nexus better soak in their 15 minutes because once this angle is over many of the will be obscure.Who knows maybe Vince is the leader of Nexus still,look at all the crap he went thru for the Ministry back in the day.I don't know but I just don't seeing this being a long enjoyable angle,who knows maybe season 2 will join up.Summerslam will be some huge massive match.

[Wacko4Zacko]

So Since Sheamus came out w/ a chair and helped Cena. Does this make Sheamus against the NeXuS? Also should we expect Edge, Y2J, Miz, DiBiase to follow Sheamus and join the fight against NeXuS?

[JO_75]

So Since Sheamus came out w/ a chair and helped Cena. Does this make Sheamus against the NeXuS? Also should we expect Edge, Y2J, Miz, DiBiase to follow Sheamus and join the fight against Nexus?

Don't know, I do expect Nexus to get involved in the title match, I mean don't the Computer GM know that yeah you can lock them out but they can climb the cage and still interfere? Where's the logic in that, yeah put 2 guys in a cage so nobody can get involved.... Nexus: Ok We'll Just Climb The Cage. DiBiase will be too busy celebrating his MITB victory to worry about Nexus. Wow... WWE is finally giving the thought of turning Cena Heel.... gasp! Did I just type that? That must be a typo or Vince is going crazy. My question is, Would a Cena heel turn have the same effect as Hogan turning his back on WCW in 1996 did?

In my honest Opinion, Triple H would be a better leader not only because of who he is and because he is overdue for a heel turn but the big reason is that Triple H joining Nexus would have better story lines and surprises than a Cena heel turn.

Now just hear me out on this, as we all know Triple H is married to Stephanie, and the McMahon Family is the most famous family of the WWE. He would be turning his back on not only Vince, but his own wife by defecting over to Nexus. Stephanie could come back(whenever she isn't pregnant) and question his motives and bring up how they stuck together when Orton tried to take out the McMahon family, and that they could have chose anyone else to help them with Orton, and how if it wasn't for her father he wouldn't be where he is and that without her dad, there is no this(points to wedding ring) and if he is turning his back on her father, than he has no wife!

They could have Shawn come back(and not wrestle, I wanna clear that up from the beginning this is only to enhance the storyline) question HHH and how he is turning his back on his family(literally and since Shawn is a family man it would make sense for him to bring up family values) and the company that made him and if it wasn't for Vince taking a chance on him and Shawn taking him under his wing, there would be no Triple H and he would have been a nobody stuck in WCW. Triple H leading Nexus has much more possibilities(I could go on with the possibilities) and surprises than a Cena Heel turn.

Edited July 16, 2010 by JO_75

[Wacko4Zacko]

You really think DiBiase will win RAw MiTB match?

[JO_75]

You really think DiBiase will win RAW MiTB match?

Yes I do, Orton/Edge are too caught up in their storyline, Jericho isn't done helping Bourne, we know Mark Henry won't win. Morrison and Miz even though I like the both of them will most likely be stuck in Mid-Card(even if that makes me mad and even if they both deserve it) Who does that leave.... Mr. Money In The Bank Ted DiBiase. I expect Ted to be given the proper build up and become a legit threat for a title.

What do you think of the little storyline I put there for the Nexus and Triple H joining Nexus and getting Shawn and Stephanie involved, I think that's a pretty solid storyline.

[Wacko4Zacko]

I like that idea you made. Idk about Stephanie, but I think it'd be cool to see HBK come back and HE lead the charge against NeXuS.

You convinced me enough about Ted DiBiase, so here are my MiTB predictions.

quote]

Money in the Bank Predictions

WWE Champion (Steel Cage Match)

Sheamus vs. John Cena

Winner: No contest, i think NeXus interferes in the match, so Sheamus stays champion

World Championship

Rey Mysterio vs. Jack Swagger

Winner: Rey Mysterio

RAW Money in the Bank Ladder Match

Chris Jericho vs. John Morrison vs. The Miz vs. Mark Henry vs. Evan Bourne vs. Edge vs. Randy Orton vs. Ted DiBiase Jr.

Winner: Ted DiBiase Jr.

SMACKDOWN Money in the Bank Ladder Match

Dolph Ziggler vs. Kane vs. Big Show vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Matt Hardy vs. Christian vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Drew McIntyre

Winner: Christian

Unified Tag Team Championship Match

The Hart Dynasty vs. Jimmy & Jey Uso

Winner: THD

Divas Championship

Alicia Fox vs. Eve

Winner: Eve

Women's Championship

Layla vs. Kelly Kelly

Winner: Layla

[JO_75]

I like that idea you made. Idk about Stephanie, but I think it'd be cool to see HBK come back and HE lead the charge against NeXuS.

You convinced me enough about Ted DiBiase, so here are my MiTB predictions.

quote]

Money in the Bank Predictions

WWE Champion (Steel Cage Match)

Sheamus vs. John Cena

Winner: No contest, i think NeXus interferes in the match, so Sheamus stays champion

World Championship

Rey Mysterio vs. Jack Swagger

Winner: Rey Mysterio

RAW Money in the Bank Ladder Match

Chris Jericho vs. John Morrison vs. The Miz vs. Mark Henry vs. Evan Bourne vs. Edge vs. Randy Orton vs. Ted DiBiase Jr.

Winner: Ted DiBiase Jr.

SMACKDOWN Money in the Bank Ladder Match

Dolph Ziggler vs. Kane vs. Big Show vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Matt Hardy vs. Christian vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Drew McIntyre

Winner: Christian

Unified Tag Team Championship Match

The Hart Dynasty vs. Jimmy & Jey Uso

Winner: THD

Divas Championship

Alicia Fox vs. Eve

Winner: Eve

Women's Championship

Layla vs. Kelly Kelly

Winner: Layla

I so agree with you on the WWE Championship match, I think it would be even better if Nexus attacks Cena and Sheamus, and they steal the WWE Championship and keeps it away from the Raw locker room. That would be quite interesting.

Mysterio over Swagger... idk. I'm mixed on that one, I wanna say Swagger but something tells me Kane will win the SD MITB and will cash in on Rey, Kane becomes Champion, he reveals himself as the attacker and Undertaker vs Kane will happen and thus Undertaker will get another title run out of it.

I'm trying to figure out why Alicia Fox is the Divas Champion.. there is nothing(and this is may just be me) that special about her, I mean I don't think she is that great in the ring, I just never liked her, and if it was up to me Maryse would never have lost the Divas Championship... ever!

I guess you could say the same thing about Layla and Kelly Kelly but at least they can wrestle. I can see Kelly Kelly winning and beating Layla and Vickie Guerrero(which she has no place on WWE right now) coming out and saying how since Michelle McCool is co-Women's champion Kelly must beat Michelle to be the champion.

Yeah sometimes I can just come up with great storylines out of nowhere, and because of that my friend told me I should become a Creative Writer for the WWE and that whole storyline was made up within seconds of writing that post. Shawn is more realistic than Stephanie as you said but it would be nice to see her again, and even Shane!

[theFRANCHISE]

What if Shawn Michaels is the mystery GM (he does have a propensity for sarcasm, so the gimmick infringement in stealing other legends' catchphrases would be in line with his personality in the past), and Triple H is the leader of Nexus and it all stemmed from Triple H trying to convince HBK not to wrestle the Undertaker at WrestleMania? The seeds were planted back then for Triple H's heel turn, but then Sheamus got in the way. Triple H could reveal that he wanted Nexus to cement his legacy in WWE by, well, destroying WWE since he never had his WrestleMania moment like HBK and he never stole the show quite like HBK did. He wants to destroy WWE so that he can take it and mold it into his own creation.

HBK will be baited into coming back to wrestle, but will refuse every time. Ultimately, he will be a man of his word and would rather step down as GM than go back on his word -- allowing someone like Cena or Orton or even Undertaker to intervene on HBK's behalf and get revenge against Triple H. Or, perhaps, Jericho turns face and realizes that HBK is a more honest man than him (playing off his gimmick of being self-righteous) and fights for the honor of his idol by going after Triple H.

[JO_75]

What if Shawn Michaels is the mystery GM (he does have a propensity for sarcasm, so the gimmick infringement in stealing other legends' catchphrases would be in line with his personality in the past), and Triple H is the leader of Nexus and it all stemmed from Triple H trying to convince HBK not to wrestle the Undertaker at WrestleMania? The seeds were planted back then for Triple H's heel turn, but then Sheamus got in the way. Triple H could reveal that he wanted Nexus to cement his legacy in WWE by, well, destroying WWE since he never had his WrestleMania moment like HBK and he never stole the show quite like HBK did. He wants to destroy WWE so that he can take it and mold it into his own creation.

HBK will be baited into coming back to wrestle, but will refuse every time. Ultimately, he will be a man of his word and would rather step down as GM than go back on his word -- allowing someone like Cena or Orton or even Undertaker to intervene on HBK's behalf and get revenge against Triple H. Or, perhaps, Jericho turns face and realizes that HBK is a more honest man than him (playing off his gimmick of being self-righteous) and fights for the honor of his idol by going after Triple H.

that is way better than the storyline I proposed, Good job. That would be awesome if Shawn was the GM, and with the possibility of Triple H being the leader, it does leave the door open for him to come back, and like I mentioned Stephanie as well. I mean he and Steph could come back and question HHH's motives for doing what he is doing, and it would make for great TV.

Edited July 16, 2010 by JO_75

[AwakenTheDemon]

So I was watching TNA today, and Madison Rayne threatened to sue the company for "every penny it's worth". To which I said (aloud to my girlfriend) "so about 500 pennies then..."

[McBurks]

So I was watching TNA today, and Madison Rayne threatened to sue the company for "every penny it's worth". To which I said (aloud to my girlfriend) "so about 500 pennies then..."

I don't know how they are making a profit,it's been reported their last few PPV's have done horrible in buy rates.

[BloodRaven]

- Impact has 1.5 million viewers a week but is only pulling in sub 10,000 ppv buys, by comparison a low end WWE ppv will have 200,000 buys. Also, the Nexus angle has boosted Raw to 2.8, which is around 3.7 million viewers.

- My take on TNA is that the spots and segments have been great, it's the botched booking thats killed the momentum.

Scott Steiner is fired before Hogan even steps foot in the arena.

Nasty Boys, an ancient fat boy tag team.

Scott Hall and Sean Waltman, DUI's and no-shows. Was anyone surprised?

Bubba the Love Sponge, the reason Kong left, another bad signing.

Sean Morley, goes over Daniels then leaves.

Daniels goes from ppv headliner to jobber to fired.

Abyss' push, even though he had something like 3% of the number 1 contender vote.

Samoa Joe and Hernandez get put on hiatus so they could megapush no-talent Rob Terry.

Bury Homicide along with Hernandez, alienating latin viewers.

Alienating OBD and Awesome Kong, ultimately destroying the once strong womens division

Turn Jeff Hardy and Wolfe into midcarders despite being the two most popular wrestlers in the company.

Theres talk that the 4 sided ring was brought in to accommodate RVD and his turnbuckle mount.

TNA smarks dont like RVD because he badmouthed Daniels and talks about himself all the time.

[theFRANCHISE]

^^^ That, in a nutshell, is everything wrong with TNA right now.

It, however, all boils down to Hogan and Bischoff recycling old WCW storylines and trying to repackage them. Though there's almost nothing in the wrestling industry that has never been done before, even back in the days of the Monday Night Wars, there still needs to be a level of freshness to the product.

WWE had what I like to call a nostalgia trip from 2004-2006, where they would bring back elements of the Attitude Era and the late '90s just to cash in on past successes. They reunited the Hardy Boyz, they reformed DX after teasing it for years, they had APA do a couple of run-ins, they re-did the ECW invasion, they brought back the old Undertaker, they had teased Kane wearing his old mask, The Rock & Sock Connection was temporarily re-formed, Mick Foley revisited his heel gimmick from the old ECW, Stone Cold kept doing his old schtick of stunning everyone without warning, Val Venis went back to his old Big Valbowski gimmick, etc. The Rock even used his old music for his sporadic appearances during that time.

Though some of that was overkill, at least WWE had the presence of mind to make it fresh enough so that old and new audiences wouldn't mind, and it worked reasonably well since it got the company out of its slump that began in 2002. TNA, meanwhile, has taken WCW storylines that have either been done to death (the nWo invasion), storylines that failed (the Millionaires Club vs. the New Blood), or storylines that should've been left alone (the Four Horsemen).

TNA was gaining steam before Hogan and Bischoff because they were doing their own thing. Instead, they're so intent on being the complete opposite of WWE in every way, that they're losing their creative direction. They're neglecting the most talented and promising members of their roster, in favor of old names who just don't have the same draw as they once did. They're trying to beat WWE at its own game, and they're failing. They need to worry more about themselves than worry about their competition.

[Wacko4Zacko]

I don't mean to soudn sexist, but I really think all the Divas should go to SD or RAW and just keep them all no one show so there can just be a division for them. Then they can combine Divas and Womens championship. I mean this may sound messed up, but I dont ever watch the Divas matches unless its "bra & panties" match . Plus IMO it'd make alot more sense to have ALL the divas on one show, so that there is a full division for them to compete in.

[theFRANCHISE]

I don't mean to soudn sexist, but I really think all the Divas should go to SD or RAW and just keep them all no one show so there can just be a division for them. Then they can combine Divas and Womens championship. I mean this may sound messed up, but I dont ever watch the Divas matches unless its "bra & panties" match . Plus IMO it'd make alot more sense to have ALL the divas on one show, so that there is a full division for them to compete in.

Makes sense, but at the same time, it'd just be better for WWE to bring in more Divas that can wrestle, rather than try to keep them split up or unite the divisions. There's only a little over a handful of Divas currently on the roster that can wrestle decently. I like some of the Divas matches and they deserve more of a push, but ever since Trish Stratus and Lita left, there's been no incentive for them to push any of them since a lot of them have no personality.

Trish Stratus was perhaps the only Diva to transcend her division and gender to where everyone loved her for both her wrestling and her looks, and she actually got a great crowd reaction that was almost to the level of a mid-to-upper-card male wrestler. She was just that good and had come that far since her early days as a valet. Chyna, Sable, Wendi Richter, and other Divas of the past couldn't touch that. Lita was the closest one, and then Mickie James thereafter. Beth Phoenix could've also been it, had she not gotten hurt again.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I don't mean to soudn sexist, but I really think all the Divas should go to SD or RAW and just keep them all no one show so there can just be a division for them. Then they can combine Divas and Womens championship. I mean this may sound messed up, but I dont ever watch the Divas matches unless its "bra & panties" match . Plus IMO it'd make alot more sense to have ALL the divas on one show, so that there is a full division for them to compete in.

So you haven't watched a Divas match in how long?

[Wacko4Zacko]

So you haven't watched a Divas match in how long?

A pretty damn long time. Well I also like to watch Lingerie Pillow Fight's. lolz

usually when diva matches come on I take a bathroom break, switch laodof laundry, and get snacks and food

Edited July 16, 2010 by Wacko4Zacko

[Wacko4Zacko]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/july8-14/14984838

Wow, John Morrison is a freak athlete. He has muscle man. Someone like him he must be all natural no steroids. WWE should def. push him, he should get U.S. title or something.

I was also shocked to see The Rock make a appearence in the video.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Wacko4Zacko

[FlaccoFlicker]

so how was smackdown last night(no spoilers)is it something worth squeezing in tonight?Want to get some PS3'ing done

[BloodRaven]

Morrison is terrible on the mic, thats why they stopped pushing him and kept moving the intercontinental belt.

[Wacko4Zacko]

So who is mroe likely to cash in thier respectvie MiTB first? RAW MiTB Winner or SD MiTB Winner?

[McBurks]

I don't mean to soudn sexist, but I really think all the Divas should go to SD or RAW and just keep them all no one show so there can just be a division for them. Then they can combine Divas and Womens championship. I mean this may sound messed up, but I dont ever watch the Divas matches unless its "bra & panties" match . Plus IMO it'd make alot more sense to have ALL the divas on one show, so that there is a full division for them to compete in.

Originally when they were making a Smackdown it was rumored that it was going to be an all womens show....obviously they discarded that thought,but it would have been interesting on how long it would've lasted.

Makes sense, but at the same time, it'd just be better for WWE to bring in more Divas that can wrestle, rather than try to keep them split up or unite the divisions. There's only a little over a handful of Divas currently on the roster that can wrestle decently. I like some of the Divas matches and they deserve more of a push, but ever since Trish Stratus and Lita left, there's been no incentive for them to push any of them since a lot of them have no personality.

Trish Stratus was perhaps the only Diva to transcend her division and gender to where everyone loved her for both her wrestling and her looks, and she actually got a great crowd reaction that was almost to the level of a mid-to-upper-card male wrestler. She was just that good and had come that far since her early days as a valet. Chyna, Sable, Wendi Richter, and other Divas of the past couldn't touch that. Lita was the closest one, and then Mickie James thereafter. Beth Phoenix could've also been it, had she not gotten hurt again.

The WWE hires models and think they can turn them into athletes and they fail miserably. I'd rather have a semi good looking women who can actually wrestle than one that looks great but bores me to death.

http://www.wwe.com/c...ly8-14/14984838

Wow, John Morrison is a freak athlete. He has muscle man. Someone like him he must be all natural no steroids. WWE should def. push him, he should get U.S. title or something.

I was also shocked to see The Rock make a appearence in the video.

He was busted for some stuff a few years ago but he is a really good athlete.

Morrison is terrible on the mic, thats why they stopped pushing him and kept moving the intercontinental belt.

He's actually really good on the mic but not as a face. When he became ECW Champion in 2007 and he changed his gimmick to a copy of Jim Morrison he was cutting great promo's almost every week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVJhPvLoY4w&feature=related

[FlaccoFlicker]

Ok Simba brought in a good point Morrison as a heel has great promos but at the same time I can't judge guys on the power of the promo anymore.Why?Because it's pretty much scripted out.For years people (ie Stone Cold) have been lobbying Vince to let the talent go out there and unleash their own mic skills(It;'s how Austin was born,and it helped the Rock,Triple H, Shawn Michaels,and so on)Let these guys get creative and run with it I guarantee we would see more entertaininng mic skills.

On the note of mic skills if you remember Bobby Lashley in ECW wow those were some bad terrible mic times.His promos would lull me to sleep