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The Pro Wrestling Thread

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Now I know I'm not the only one here who watches, I've seen the avatars (Franny, FF, JO_75, I'm looking at you guys namely). It's made me curious as to what the resident wrestling fans here think of the current going-ons in the industry, hence the thread. Sure, having tickets to the local event on saturday also weighed in the decision.

As much as I hate John Cena (I've never seen a gimmick so stale in ages), I actually can't wait to see Sheamus, Edge, Orton, and him in a cage match (mostly because I'm a huge fan of the other three in the ring).

Anyways, this isn't about my trips, heh, just about whatever's currently going on that anyone really cares to comment about. Like... as much as I loved the whole Nexus angle, it's getting repetitive to me. I love seeing Cena get cut down a few pegs and beat down, but every week ends with them rushing the ring and just beating down whoever happens to be in the ring. The WWE has a great idea with the angle, I'm just hoping they don't screw it up.

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Wrestling is fake. Flame on!

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Every time I see John Cena on TV, I'm reminded of how people like to draw comparisons between himself and The Rock. However, as much as I'd like to think that Cena is better than people give him credit for, there's always something that stops me from making those Rock comparisons. His delivery on the mic is corny, his promos do nothing to stand out, and his ring work is average. Sure, he's put on good matches, but rarely has he been able to carry a match on his own when placed with a mediocre worker. Moreover, his Superman gimmick is getting tired -- at least The Rock was able to reinvent himself multiple times while maintaining his core gimmick.

John Cena has just gotten to be annoying. Though I understand his value as the poster child of WWE's current PG era (which is slowly shifting towards PG-13), they need to do something fresh or else the fans will stop caring about him, especially as the kids get older.

I remember when the fans were getting tired of The Rock around 2002. Then, he came back from his time off and turned Hollywood in 2003, becoming perhaps the top heel that year. Cena needs to do something similar (not necessarily turn heel -- though I would love it) or else the fans will simply turn on him yet again.

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I'm a huge fan... of the WWE's marketing department. Freaking brilliant.

The fact that they've got me hooked at 21 years of age is a testament to how great they are. :lol:

All kidding aside, though, they are a marketing juggernaut now more than ever, even compared to when the entire industry was at its peak in the late '90s. Because of their new age-appropriate initiative, they've got a broader demographic and broader appeal. Though the storylines are tamer now, I'll give them credit for pulling off some decent feuds in the past couple of years. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels, Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton vs. Triple H (until their crappy WrestleMania match), CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio, etc. There's been some really mature and well-done angles that make me forget that this is the PG era.

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Every time I see John Cena on TV, I'm reminded of how people like to draw comparisons between himself and The Rock. However, as much as I'd like to think that Cena is better than people give him credit for, there's always something that stops me from making those Rock comparisons. His delivery on the mic is corny, his promos do nothing to stand out, and his ring work is average. Sure, he's put on good matches, but rarely has he been able to carry a match on his own when placed with a mediocre worker. Moreover, his Superman gimmick is getting tired -- at least The Rock was able to reinvent himself multiple times while maintaining his core gimmick.

John Cena has just gotten to be annoying. Though I understand his value as the poster child of WWE's current PG era (which is slowly shifting towards PG-13), they need to do something fresh or else the fans will stop caring about him, especially as the kids get older.

I remember when the fans were getting tired of The Rock around 2002. Then, he came back from his time off and turned Hollywood in 2003, becoming perhaps the top heel that year. Cena needs to do something similar (not necessarily turn heel -- though I would love it) or else the fans will simply turn on him yet again.

I agree for the most part, aside from his ringwork it doesn't impress me at all. Just like his character, it's entirely predictable. A typical Cena match goes something like this: Bell rings, Cena and his opponent have equal footing for a minute or two. However, his opponent gains momentum and he's quickly overpowered. Now, Cena will continue to be dominated for the majority of the match before his opponent whips him into the rope. He'll duck a clothesline (happens every. single. time.) and hit a shoulder block, duck again, shoulder block and his opponent is down. Cue the Five Knuckle Shuffle, followed by the F-U... uh, I mean "Attitude Adjustment". What happens next is the most variety you get out of one of his matches. Either he'll pin them for the win, or they'll either have blocked/countered the AA (maybe kick out of the pin, although unlikely) and Cena will just put on the STF-U.... uh, I mean STF. Every match follows that progression, to the point where I can literally tell when it's going to happen and call it before it starts.

His feuds are usually the same thing as well. He'll get dominated for the majority of the month, cut some promos saying how he'll never give up because he loves this company and doesn't know the words I quit. After four weeks of that, Cena shows up at the PPV is damn-near invincible. Add in the fact that he'll hold the belt for months on end, lose it, and then win it back in a month or two doesn't help either.

Regardless though, I don't think Cena is at the Rock's level (popularity wise, maybe due to his appeal to children), but when it comes to charisma, mic skills, and ring work, I'll give it to the Rock everytime. If the WWE doesn't do something to Cena's character, they are going to be in trouble once his fanbase grows older. Nothing beats hearing the dueling chants of "Let's Go Cena - Cena Sucks" in the crowd though.

If you think about it, they're doing the same thing to Rey Mysterio. Honestly, how can you really consider him an underdog anymore? He doesn't lose his matches very often, and when's the last time a feud he was in ended with him being the obvious "loser"? Mysterio is already over with every child out there, he doesn't really gain anything anymore from winning his feuds. Like the last CM Punk Feud. Mysterio really didn't gain anything from winning the feud, yet Punk lost his hair and got set back alot of steps towards the main event (at least in my opinion). It doesn't help that his matches are predictable as well, you're guaranteed to see a hurricanrana, that silly wheelbarrow position to bulldog counter, maybe a few dives (he isn't the high flier he used to be), and then the stupid 619 (I can't see how this is a finisher). The fact that he's World Heavyweight Champion baffles me. The man is billed at 5'6 (while he's probably more along the lines of 5'2-5'4) and 175 pounds (but probably 155-165), that's not a heavyweight.

Part of me feels that one day, the company is going to come back to something similar to the Attitude Era, so they can keep their fanbase. Although it wouldn't surprise me to see them stay with the Family-Friendly approach.

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Part of me feels that one day, the company is going to come back to something similar to the Attitude Era, so they can keep their fanbase. Although it wouldn't surprise me to see them stay with the Family-Friendly approach.

We're seeing shades of the shift back towards a more mature product in various storylines. Granted, we won't be seeing any more of the blatant profanity or sexually-suggestive skits with the Divas, but we'll see more adult-oriented storylines.

We'll never see the regular use of blood (their blood policy is, in part, due to the risk of hepatitis) and we likely won't see any more unprotected chairshots to the head, but we'll still see wrestlers get creative in finding ways to convey the gravity of moments. People don't understand that those two policies weren't instituted because of the family-friendly approach, but rather, as response to things like the Chris Benoit murder-suicide and general health concerns. Concussions are a big thing in all of sports, hence the need to remove chairshots to the head if wrestlers aren't taking them properly.

The writing overall just needs to improve. You don't need to be vulgar to tell a good, edgy story. You can still do an Undertaker-Stephanie McMahon abduction storyline and you can still do an Austin-McMahon blood feud, you just won't see them pushing the envelope for the sake of shock value. Back then, it was all for ratings. At this point, now that the ratings are as good as they'll get, give those loyal viewers an incentive to keep watching by giving them storylines that won't insult their intelligence.

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Yeah, I don't mean we'll see the shock value that we used to back in the AE, but just something a bit more adult-oriented and appealing to adults. Sure, we won't see the vulgarity that D-X had one they first came out, or the attitude Stone Cold had, but I think they could bring back a bit more of the more "tame" swear words. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy watching nowadays.

I'm all for them cutting down on the chairshots to the head and the blood. It's nice to see guys like Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker (even if he looks "feeble" by Undertaker standards, he just isn't intimidating anymore) wrestle well into their 40's.

The writing could improve though, although I think they could have something golden with the Nexus story. It still doesn't make me like the horrible Heath Slater, Darren Young, or David "Hey, I'm Engaged to Jennifer Hudson!" Otunga any more than I did during NXT (which was not at all), but Wade Barret (I already liked him though), Michael Tarver and Justin Gabriel balance it out. I just think they need to be more than just a mob coming out during the main event of Raw and destroying anyone who's in the ring. But hey, it makes me look forward to new episodes of Raw though.

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I guess that's what you get when you try to reveal La Parka's face.

Apparently, some lucha libre fans have no clue of the mask's importance in Mexican culture for luchadores. Go figure. -_-

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I will turn it on now and again, but it doesn't come close to the "good old days" of D-X, Stone Cold and The Rock in their respective primes, along with a plethora of other amazing characters.

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The fact that they've got me hooked at 21 years of age is a testament to how great they are. :lol:

All kidding aside, though, they are a marketing juggernaut now more than ever, even compared to when the entire industry was at its peak in the late '90s. Because of their new age-appropriate initiative, they've got a broader demographic and broader appeal. Though the storylines are tamer now, I'll give them credit for pulling off some decent feuds in the past couple of years. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels, Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton vs. Triple H (until their crappy WrestleMania match), CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio, etc. There's been some really mature and well-done angles that make me forget that this is the PG era.

I really do mean it. I agree with you - they are brilliant at building a cross-section of fans and they use multiple methods to keep people interested.

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I will turn it on now and again, but it doesn't come close to the "good old days" of D-X, Stone Cold and The Rock in their respective primes, along with a plethora of other amazing characters.

Same.

I used to love to watch it but over the years I just got tired of it. :(

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I agree for the most part, aside from his ring work it doesn't impress me at all. Just like his character, it's entirely predictable. A typical Cena match goes something like this: Bell rings, Cena and his opponent have equal footing for a minute or two. However, his opponent gains momentum and he's quickly overpowered. Now, Cena will continue to be dominated for the majority of the match before his opponent whips him into the rope. He'll duck a clothesline (happens every. single. time.) and hit a shoulder block, duck again, shoulder block and his opponent is down. Cue the Five Knuckle Shuffle, followed by the F-U... uh, I mean "Attitude Adjustment". What happens next is the most variety you get out of one of his matches. Either he'll pin them for the win, or they'll either have blocked/countered the AA (maybe kick out of the pin, although unlikely) and Cena will just put on the STF-U.... uh, I mean STF. Every match follows that progression, to the point where I can literally tell when it's going to happen and call it before it starts.

His feuds are usually the same thing as well. He'll get dominated for the majority of the month, cut some promos saying how he'll never give up because he loves this company and doesn't know the words I quit. After four weeks of that, Cena shows up at the PPV is damn-near invincible. Add in the fact that he'll hold the belt for months on end, lose it, and then win it back in a month or two doesn't help either.

Regardless though, I don't think Cena is at the Rock's level (popularity wise, maybe due to his appeal to children), but when it comes to charisma, mic skills, and ring work, I'll give it to the Rock every time. If the WWE doesn't do something to Cena's character, they are going to be in trouble once his fanbase grows older. Nothing beats hearing the dueling chants of "Let's Go Cena - Cena Sucks" in the crowd though.

If you think about it, they're doing the same thing to Rey Mysterio. Honestly, how can you really consider him an underdog anymore? He doesn't lose his matches very often, and when's the last time a feud he was in ended with him being the obvious "loser"? Mysterio is already over with every child out there, he doesn't really gain anything anymore from winning his feuds. Like the last CM Punk Feud. Mysterio really didn't gain anything from winning the feud, yet Punk lost his hair and got set back a lot of steps towards the main event (at least in my opinion). It doesn't help that his matches are predictable as well, you're guaranteed to see a hurricanrana, that silly wheelbarrow position to bulldog counter, maybe a few dives (he isn't the high flier he used to be), and then the stupid 619 (I can't see how this is a finisher). The fact that he's World Heavyweight Champion baffles me. The man is billed at 5'6 (while he's probably more along the lines of 5'2-5'4) and 175 pounds (but probably 155-165), that's not a heavyweight.

Part of me feels that one day, the company is going to come back to something similar to the Attitude Era, so they can keep their fan base. Although it wouldn't surprise me to see them stay with the Family-Friendly approach.

So A Cena match is more like a Hulk Hogan match except he Hulks up, points his finger at his opponent, does a few punches, tosses him into the ropes for a big boot(unless his opponent ducks) and he hits a leg drop that I know nobody in real life would stay down that long, kinda like how it is hard to believe someone stays down long enough for Cena to do the 5 Knuckle Shuffle and Hogan wins the match. I think a better comparison for Cena is Hulk Hogan, plays the Super Man Gimmick, hardly loses, always gets the belt back somehow and instead of telling people to say their prayers and eat their vitamins Cena just has this whole Hustle, Loyalty and Respect thing.

Yeah, which to me says he'll continue to get beat up by these rookies and somehow end up "saving the WWE" from the Nexus Invasion(though I read that the savior role is probably going to played by Triple H)

The whole Rock-Cena thing, again the only thing they have in common is that they did movies, Cena is this generations Hulk Hogan. Though I would love to see The Rock vs John Cena at Wrestlemania and see The Rock take John Cena to Jabroni Drive at the Smackdown Hotel.

I AGREE ABOUT PUNK! Mysterio needed to join the SES a while back. Mysterio needed to lose to not only enhance the SES but move Punk closer to the World Heavyweight Championship. For Punk to lose to Mysterio and have his hair shaved so soon, made me mad. I could have seen Mysterio winning and the SES getting involved and saving Punk from a hair cut and Punk runs off and keeps his hair to enhance the feud. The WWE dropped the ball on the SES just like they did with Legacy. I'm a huge a fan of Punk and love this Straight Edge Gimmick though I do question making it a heel gimmick when your geared toward kids, making it seem like it is ok to do drink and do drugs.

I'll be waiting for the day where they go to something similar to the AE, but let's remember one thing the AE was something we won't get back and seemed like it was just right. We had guys like The Rock, Stone Cold, NWO & DX running around causing havoc, the AE seemed more like having the right stars in the right company at the right time. If they can keep me hooked for as long they have(I am 20, and have watched since I was in 1st grade) than I don't expect to stop watching and stop going to events, and stop buying their Video Games and DVDs, in fact I went to Broadcasting School so I can end up either in NFL or NASCAR, I would love to go work for the WWE, production or backstage announcer would be fine for me.

Edit: Just changed my Avatar to the new WWE Champion, Sheamus! Now can someone get a memo to Vince about changing the WWE Title back to it's pre-Cena Belt Change, that belt looks stupid on guys like Triple H, Randy Orton, Batista and Sheamus, and that is the truth Fella!

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So A Cena match is more like a Hulk Hogan match except he Hulks up, points his finger at his opponent, does a few punches, tosses him into the ropes for a big boot(unless his opponent ducks) and he hits a leg drop that I know nobody in real life would stay down that long, kinda like how it is hard to believe someone stays down long enough for Cena to do the 5 Knuckle Shuffle and Hogan wins the match. I think a better comparison for Cena is Hulk Hogan, plays the Super Man Gimmick, hardly loses, always gets the belt back somehow and instead of telling people to say their prayers and eat their vitamins Cena just has this whole Hustle, Loyalty and Respect thing.

Yeah, which to me says he'll continue to get beat up by these rookies and somehow end up "saving the WWE" from the Nexus Invasion(though I read that the savior role is probably going to played by Triple H)

The whole Rock-Cena thing, again the only thing they have in common is that they did movies, Cena is this generations Hulk Hogan. Though I would love to see The Rock vs John Cena at Wrestlemania and see The Rock take John Cena to Jabroni Drive at the Smackdown Hotel.

I AGREE ABOUT PUNK! Mysterio needed to join the SES a while back. Mysterio needed to lose to not only enhance the SES but move Punk closer to the World Heavyweight Championship. For Punk to lose to Mysterio and have his hair shaved so soon, made me mad. I could have seen Mysterio winning and the SES getting involved and saving Punk from a hair cut and Punk runs off and keeps his hair to enhance the feud. The WWE dropped the ball on the SES just like they did with Legacy. I'm a huge a fan of Punk and love this Straight Edge Gimmick though I do question making it a heel gimmick when your geared toward kids, making it seem like it is ok to do drink and do drugs.

I'll be waiting for the day where they go to something similar to the AE, but let's remember one thing the AE was something we won't get back and seemed like it was just right. We had guys like The Rock, Stone Cold, NWO & DX running around causing havoc, the AE seemed more like having the right stars in the right company at the right time. If they can keep me hooked for as long they have(I am 20, and have watched since I was in 1st grade) than I don't expect to stop watching and stop going to events, and stop buying their Video Games and DVDs, in fact I went to Broadcasting School so I can end up either in NFL or NASCAR, I would love to go work for the WWE, production or backstage announcer would be fine for me.

Edit: Just changed my Avatar to the new WWE Champion, Sheamus! Now can someone get a memo to Vince about changing the WWE Title back to it's pre-Cena Belt Change, that belt looks stupid on guys like Triple H, Randy Orton, Batista and Sheamus, and that is the truth Fella!

Yeah, Cena is pretty much like old school Hulk Hogan. The main difference is Hogan was largely the first HUGE wrestler, I doubt anyone would want to pay and see the almighty Hulkster lose. I won't deny it, Hogan was stale as well. Which is why I loved the heel turn to Hollywood Hogan. Cena needs to take the step into his Hollywood phase.

I agree with the AE viewpoint, the stars made it moreso than the storylines. They were what made the storylines (and the era in general) so entertaining and memorable. I don't think we'll ever get the "trashy", edgy, and more for adults entertainment that we did back then, but I could see more... uh, "sophisticated" adult storylines. As well as they have done with garnering a huge fanbase of various demographics, I could see them maybe perfecting the balance between PG, family-friendly storylines and other more mature storylines. The writers would definitely need to improve upon their storyline ideas though.

About Mysterio joining the SES, I think he could have joined and still stayed face in a heel stable. Punk could have kept preaching about straight-edge, and have Mysterio try to balance things out with his face ideas. I'd find it to be an interesting blend of the two, and could have spiced up the SES. Regardless though, the Society needs more members, I don't see how 3 people can be a Society (4 if you count the masked man).

And I would COMPLETELY support reverting the WWE Title back to it's classic design. I loved how it used to look, it looked like a championship. Once Cena took it, put the Spinner on it and "pimped" (for lack of a better word) it out, it became horribly gaudy looking. Like... four different kinds of gems and it says "WWE CHAMP", which I find pretty unprofessional. You're right, it looks odd on everyone.

Glad to see another Sheamus fan. I wasn't keen on him when he first came about (probably because I'm a Triple H fan, so I wasn't happy that he was getting destroyed by a new guy). But he's definitely grown on me. Can't wait to see him, Edge, and Orton on saturday *cough*ohandmaryse*cough* It just sucks that if I want to see Randy win, it means I have to see Cena win. Which of course means I'll have to hear his theme music and all the kiddies and middle aged women screaming :\

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I hate Sheamus with a passion. His ring work does nothing for me, and he offers nothing in the way of charisma or entertainment on the microphone. His look does nothing for me. Frankly, if he wasn't Triple H's workout partner, I don't see how he would've gotten a push otherwise.

I'm a bigger fan of Maryse for obvious reasons :wub:

Every time her music hits and she walks out and does that hair flip, I just swoon. :blush:

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I hate Sheamus with a passion. His ring work does nothing for me, and he offers nothing in the way of charisma or entertainment on the microphone. His look does nothing for me. Frankly, if he wasn't Triple H's workout partner, I don't see how he would've gotten a push otherwise.

I'm a bigger fan of Maryse for obvious reasons :wub:

Every time her music hits and she walks out and does that hair flip, I just swoon. :blush:

I've always heard Maryse is very sweet and kind out of character, even though she plays the... witch very well. She's probably the best looking diva in a very long time, in my personal opinion and my girlfriend hates it lol. Everytime she comes out I have to hear it about her doing "stripper moves" (aKa her hair flip).

It just makes me sad that basically the only diva who can wrestle well is Gail Kim. Which is why it pissed me off that they gave the Divas Title to Eve, who can't even pull off a dropkick ninety percent of the time, yet Gail Kim usually performs well, and usually loses all her matches. Eve shouldn't even be allowed in the ring until she's learned how to properly wrestle, even if it's by diva standards. Oh... and Beth Phoenix, I forgot about her. So that's two divas who can actually wrestle.

It took a while for Sheamus to grow on me. I found his paleness off putting and his promos to be meh, but after a while I became a fan. Although I will say that he did get pushed way too fast. I'm thinking Raw just needed another main event superstar (since this was before Edge was on the roster, Shawn Michaels and Triple H were busy with the latest rendition of DX and pursuing the tag titles), all they had was basically Cena and Orton who were nearly always in a feud for the WWE title. Sheamus was probably in the right place at the right time with his connections to Hunter, and he got the push. But hey, at least it's worked out. He's pretty over with the fans as a heel.

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Every time her music hits and she walks out and does that hair flip, I just swoon. :blush:

You swoon? I'm officially giving you a man-card revocation warning. :P

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I've always heard Maryse is very sweet and kind out of character, even though she plays the... witch very well. She's probably the best looking diva in a very long time, in my personal opinion and my girlfriend hates it lol. Everytime she comes out I have to hear it about her doing "stripper moves" (aKa her hair flip).

It just makes me sad that basically the only diva who can wrestle well is Gail Kim. Which is why it pissed me off that they gave the Divas Title to Eve, who can't even pull off a dropkick ninety percent of the time, yet Gail Kim usually performs well, and usually loses all her matches. Eve shouldn't even be allowed in the ring until she's learned how to properly wrestle, even if it's by diva standards. Oh... and Beth Phoenix, I forgot about her. So that's two divas who can actually wrestle.

It took a while for Sheamus to grow on me. I found his paleness off putting and his promos to be meh, but after a while I became a fan. Although I will say that he did get pushed way too fast. I'm thinking Raw just needed another main event superstar (since this was before Edge was on the roster, Shawn Michaels and Triple H were busy with the latest rendition of DX and pursuing the tag titles), all they had was basically Cena and Orton who were nearly always in a feud for the WWE title. Sheamus was probably in the right place at the right time with his connections to Hunter, and he got the push. But hey, at least it's worked out. He's pretty over with the fans as a heel.

Maryse has the "it" factor. It also helps that she can wrestle decently when she wants to. That said, it sucks that Beth Phoenix is injured since she and Gail Kim, like you said, are two of the only Divas that can actually wrestle. Eve is improving, as is Layla, but they're not to the level of TNA's Knockouts -- before Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff ruined TNA, anyway.

As for Sheamus, there's nothing that convinces me he's truly over as a heel. I'm just ambivalent to him -- and I'm pretty perceptive about the industry, as I'd like to think.

You swoon? I'm officially giving you a man-card revocation warning. :P

If you actually watched a few of her entrances, you'd be swooning too -- even with your gorgeous wife. :lol:

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Maryse has the "it" factor. It also helps that she can wrestle decently when she wants to. That said, it sucks that Beth Phoenix is injured since she and Gail Kim, like you said, are two of the only Divas that can actually wrestle. Eve is improving, as is Layla, but they're not to the level of TNA's Knockouts -- before Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff ruined TNA, anyway.

As for Sheamus, there's nothing that convinces me he's truly over as a heel. I'm just ambivalent to him -- and I'm pretty perceptive about the industry, as I'd like to think.

Layla really needs to work on her mic skills next. Every time she's cutting a promo (or doing commentary like the second episode of this season of NXT), she doesn't sound natural and let it flow. Instead it sounds like she's just reading lines, with any inflection being her annoying high pitched tones. Maybe I'm just tired of the whole Team Laycool angle in general. It's a shame Beth went down when she did, she was dominating those two girls heh. Speaking of injuries, I'm beginning to wonder if Melina is ever coming back. Seems like she's been gone for ages.

You may have a point about Sheamus (even if I have a different viewpoint :P ), but even if he isn't over, he promo at the start of Raw was ingenious and a huge step in the right direction then. Even knowing that Sheamus is a heel, not a tweener, he had me believing that he was truly handing over the belt right until he pulled it back and smiled.

touche'

and.....link?

Here ya go, Nurple. Best I could find on the tube. Little choppy, but you get the idea :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI4elpbkZQg

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Lol. I cant take that stuff seriously at all.

Thanks for the link though.

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Layla really needs to work on her mic skills next. Every time she's cutting a promo (or doing commentary like the second episode of this season of NXT), she doesn't sound natural and let it flow. Instead it sounds like she's just reading lines, with any inflection being her annoying high pitched tones. Maybe I'm just tired of the whole Team Laycool angle in general. It's a shame Beth went down when she did, she was dominating those two girls heh. Speaking of injuries, I'm beginning to wonder if Melina is ever coming back. Seems like she's been gone for ages.

You may have a point about Sheamus (even if I have a different viewpoint :P ), but even if he isn't over, he promo at the start of Raw was ingenious and a huge step in the right direction then. Even knowing that Sheamus is a heel, not a tweener, he had me believing that he was truly handing over the belt right until he pulled it back and smiled.

Here ya go, Nurple. Best I could find on the tube. Little choppy, but you get the idea :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI4elpbkZQg

Is the silence from the crowd because drool is quiet or because men are afraid to cheer in front of their women?

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Is the silence from the crowd because drool is quiet or because men are afraid to cheer in front of their women?

lol well I'll say both, they are drooling and just not cheering in front of their wife or girlfriend. That is the one thing I'm jealous of the Miz about and that he is dating Maryse in real life, that lucky bum lol.

@ATD: Yeah I wasn't a fan of Sheamus at first but he has grown on me. I really wish they had done a better build up of him before he won the title first instead of just giving him the title after Cena jumped off the rope. Granted they did a great job of building him up with his storyline with Triple H, and Trips put him over very well I mean Trips let him take him out. It just makes me wonder if Sheamus can end up switching sides and joining the Nexus group since he is a big time heel now and he has the title which would hurt the WWE kayfabe wise.

I also am a fan of some of these new guys they have and am waiting for John Morrison to get his push and become WWE Champion, I'm waiting for the Miz to get his shot at the main event and possibly become WHC on SD, I wish they kept the belt on Swagger, he was just going into his own as Champion and they take it off of him and put it on the guy who injured Undertaker, so essentially the WWE awarded Rey for injuring Taker by giving him his spot in the match and the belt.

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lol well I'll say both, they are drooling and just not cheering in front of their wife or girlfriend. That is the one thing I'm jealous of the Miz about and that he is dating Maryse in real life, that lucky bum lol.

@ATD: Yeah I wasn't a fan of Sheamus at first but he has grown on me. I really wish they had done a better build up of him before he won the title first instead of just giving him the title after Cena jumped off the rope. Granted they did a great job of building him up with his storyline with Triple H, and Trips put him over very well I mean Trips let him take him out. It just makes me wonder if Sheamus can end up switching sides and joining the Nexus group since he is a big time heel now and he has the title which would hurt the WWE kayfabe wise.

I also am a fan of some of these new guys they have and am waiting for John Morrison to get his push and become WWE Champion, I'm waiting for the Miz to get his shot at the main event and possibly become WHC on SD, I wish they kept the belt on Swagger, he was just going into his own as Champion and they take it off of him and put it on the guy who injured Undertaker, so essentially the WWE awarded Rey for injuring Taker by giving him his spot in the match and the belt.

Whenever Maryse comes out on Raw, I have to completely ignore her or else I get death glares and a giant speech about how she's just a stick with boobs.

I won't say I'm a fan of Morrison, but I don't hate him. He's just there to me. However, he seemed to have been getting a push, then he tagged with the absolutely horrible R-Truth (I cannot stand him. His "rap" entrance makes me want to punch babies, and his matches are just him doing the same spots everytime to entertain the crowd), and he's hardly been seen on Raw much since the draft. I'm not sure he'll ever be the WWE Champion, he seems very midcard at best to me. If he ever does get to main event status, it won't be for a long time. Don't get me wrong, he's got the skills, just something hasn't clicked yet.

The same goes for the Miz, somewhat. At first, I hated him. His catchphrase seems like he didn't really put any thought into it, and just said the first thing that came to mind as he was standing in the ring. Also, he seems pretty inconsistent in the ring, he'll have some good matches, then have a mediocre match. Right now though, I'm neither a Miz fan or hater. I enjoy him every now and then, definitely a whole lot more than I used to. Much like Morrison, I'm not sure he can ever be a main event champion. I can see him in the midcard/hovering around the upper midcard. Like this past monday, when he came out and sucker punched Orton, it didn't mesh to me. Orton is one of the top players on raw (probably second only to Cena), while Miz is just a midcard champion at the moment (hopefully this US reign will be much better than his last. I can't stand when champions never defend their belt. Granted, he was also Tag champion with Big Show, so...).

The problem with Swagger is they took away his personality when he became champion. I was never a Swagger fan, but his goofy personality and donkey kong-ish entrance had at least some appeal. When he became WHC, they turned him into the same old serious heel. Part of me thought he had stolen Jericho's gimmick when he pinned him aLa Shang Tsung from MK. Had they let him be his usual goofy self then his reign might have gone over better. The best part of his reign was the promo where he was in the ring with all his achievement (and the Swaggie), and Big Show came and wrecked the place.

I'll never, ever accept Rey as "World Heavyweight Champion". It always made me angry that a man his size would be allowed to win a heavyweight championship. It doesn't help matters that his first WHC reign only came due to a push thanks to Eddie's death.

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When I look at The Miz, I think it's a bit appropriate that I see parallels between himself and his idol, The Rock. Just as The Rock helped legitimize the Intercontinental Championship, The Miz is doing the same for the U.S. Title. Though their promo styles are different, I see a bit of Rock's charisma in Miz. I also see some of the same solid ring work and a general ability to tell a story in his matches. As much as he's over with the crowd as a heel, he's just so vastly improved that it's hard not to like him.

The one promo that really made this connection click in my head was on the 5/17 commercial-free edition of RAW, right before Miz's U.S. Title match with Bret Hart. Miz snatched the microphone from the interviewer and cut a promo as he was walking to the ring (something he had done earlier this year), but it was the smooth delivery of the promo that had me convinced that was his star-making moment.

Meanwhile, this promo is often pointed to as the star-making moment for The Rock as a main-eventer: YouTube

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If the Miz ever ends up on Smackdown, that may be his only chance at holding a main event title. With the last draft, Smackdown has very few "big name" superstars (Taker strikes me as the only "huge" name, with Show, Punk and Rey rounding it out). The good news is that Smackdown seems to be the place now where they can take chances with the WHC on "new" guys, like they did with Swagger.

The midcard on SD is much more stacked that the main event (MVP, McIntyre, Kingston, Ziggler, Christian. Maybe JTG or Cody Rhodes one day). I'd like to see Christian get up to the main event status on SD though, and it seems as if McIntyre will be at that level eventually.

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Being a fan of wrestling for 22 years I have seen alot come and go,in my opinion the best in ring performer today is Kurt Angle.He has alot of talent but it isn't seen as much these days in TNA.

WWE may have gone to the PG era but that doesn't mean it isn't good.Alot point to the attitude era and yes I will agree most was entertaining but the wreslting wasn't there.Here and there yes but not enough for me,I am a technical fan(which you do not see alot of),but today's pool is definitly coming up great.Will we see another Stone Cold or the Rock type pop I highly doubt it.

I know this is WWE thread but I will comment on who I like to watch the most

The Miz-hated him with a passion when he first came in but when they put him with Morrison he showed alot of poise and has some pretty decent moves.His mic skills are pretty good too.

Chris Jericho-multi talented in alot of different aspects,wrestler,musician,author,vh1 host,game show host,and when he is done in the ring I think wouold make an excellent color commentator.He isn't afraid to put over the young guys in the business these days,he knows their future is all on him and other veterns.He is the best there is at what he does(Wolverine anyone lol)

Evan Bourne is a great cruiserweight and love watching his high flying abiltiles,now can he hit puberty

John Morrison-Love the charisma,the mic and the moves,when he learns his in ring story telling abilities bank on a world title

Randy Orton-The Viper,was a fan of his ever since evolution and had a great match with Chris Benoit to win his first World Title.Now I don't know the whole story of what went down last year with him and Kennedy(Anderson),and I hope the story that was told isn't true.For people saying Anderson is injury prone so is the Viper.

Sheamus-Pretty good in my opinion,for a rookie,he has the power,semi ok mic skills but needs a tan,he has put on a few good matches in his time but needs to show he can carry a match(Triple H and HBK can make anyone look good in the ring)

Triple H-Dude is the man,sorry if you don't agree but he is this business,he is the game lol.Yes he married the boss' daughter but he has earned his spot where he is or will be when he returns.He does everything for this business,including continuiong a match on a ripped quad.Better as a heel imo.

Ted Dibiase-I see something in this kid and think the million dollar angle is the wrong way to go...get him out of his daddy's shadow.

CM Punk-Straight Edge and stright to the point probably the company's best heel atm.Love his mid rumble promos earlier this year.

Christian-Edge has the mic and Christian has the in ring ability.Wish for him to win a real world title in WWE but just don't see it happening.

Drew McIntyre-Alot hate on him and I don't know whyHe has the it factor imo,yeah he is Vinnie Mac's chosen one supposedly but he is an awesome in ring guy and think he will go far.

Jack Swagger-Hate when he talks because he talks to long but love his in ring work a great wrestler and can tell a great story in the ring

Kane-Most underated performer ever the man needs a World Title run,he should have taken Undertakers spot and one to set up the Summerslam World Title Casket Match between Taker and Kane,because we all know Kane will be the one who did it .

Undertaker-What more can be said 18-0 at Wrestlemania,still a force unless botch Mysterio puts him out.Not afraid to put over the young talent.The measuring stick for the company,you notice alot of new comers will face off against Taker and he pretty muchs yays or neys whether the go somewhere.

Non WWE GUYS

Mr.Anderson-if you don't know your @$$ better call someone.Great mic and in ring,some say he injures people but truthfully I don't think so,yeah he goes full throttle but he is doing what is supposed to be done Wrestle,these nancy pants guys these days can't handle him.Very entertaining.WWE made a mistake imo,.

Kurt Angle-Killer instinct killer skills damn good performer,another one WWE wishes they still had.

Jay Lethal-Glad the dropped his Black Machismo angle so he can highlight his abilties.I think he is a good young performer.

there are more but I gotta go for now lol

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I've heard rumors of Jericho retiring soon, but I'm hoping their just that. He's only 38 and still in shape for his age. He's shown that he can still put on good matches, and look at HBK and Taker, they're in the mid 40's (Jericho can do it too). I do miss his old goofy gimmick though, still one of my favorites though.

I'm a huge fan of Drew's as well. Sure, him coming out for his first time on TV and kicking R-Truth during his entrance helped, but still. He's got awesome entrance music and an awesome finisher, could definitely see him stepping up to at least attempt (maybe not win, but attempt) at taking the WHC. Perhaps he'll win the next MITB heh. The only thing I don't like is having him feud with Matt Hardy. Hardy is so damn out of shape lately it isn't even funny, he's a shadow of what he was back with Jeff. Not having much personality these days isn't helping him.

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I've heard rumors of Jericho retiring soon, but I'm hoping their just that. He's only 38 and still in shape for his age. He's shown that he can still put on good matches, and look at HBK and Taker, they're in the mid 40's (Jericho can do it too). I do miss his old goofy gimmick though, still one of my favorites though.

I'm a huge fan of Drew's as well. Sure, him coming out for his first time on TV and kicking R-Truth during his entrance helped, but still. He's got awesome entrance music and an awesome finisher, could definitely see him stepping up to at least attempt (maybe not win, but attempt) at taking the WHC. Perhaps he'll win the next MITB heh. The only thing I don't like is having him feud with Matt Hardy. Hardy is so damn out of shape lately it isn't even funny, he's a shadow of what he was back with Jeff. Not having much personality these days isn't helping him.

Jericho said in an interview(can't remember where i read it)that they are talking about a contract because he isn't ready to leave.

With the MITB PPV I think they are killing the Mystique of the event Once a year is great it makes it more meaningful.

Now I have heard Edge is retitring within two years and truthfully he looks bored ever since he came back.He lost his Edge no pun intended or was it lol

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I'm really not a fan of all these theme or matched named PPVs, I want the classics back like Judgement Day or Armageddon. Now it seems like they'd rather pick a theme and them force it upon you all night. I agree completely with them ruining what made MITB what it was.

It wouldn't surprise me if Edge retired soon, even though I'd love for him to stay. As much as I loved the E&C days, I've really enjoyed him as a singles competitor. If he's bored, or just feels like his body can't handle it (he HAS been injured often) anymore, I'd rather he hangs it up than risks it.

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Edge already stated in an interview (I believe with the Wrestling Observer or PWI) that he will likely be finished within the next two years because of his injury history. He wants to be healthy in old age and he recognizes that the injuries are a sign that he can't keep pushing his body the way he used to.

As for Jericho, he's never been better in his career. He is the complete package right now. He can keep losing matches (as he has on television for quite some time now) and still be viewed as a legitimate main eventer because of how he's booked to lose and how skilled he is. It seems as if this final stretch run in his career is focused mainly on elevating talent, as he's put over quite a few guys and has helped bring legitimacy to each belt he's carried, no matter how brief. He has been involved in some great feuds over the past couple of years and this is some of the best mic work he's ever done. Sure, people might miss his old Rock Star gimmick, but I love how he's showing his acting chops and can get almost anyone over.

I'm just thrilled that, even with the poor quality of some of these storylines, there's so many younger guys being gradually pushed in WWE. Sure, some pushes could be handled better than others, but at least their main event and mid-card scene isn't as stagnant as TNA right now. Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff have really done a number on that company...

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Edge already stated in an interview (I believe with the Wrestling Observer or PWI) that he will likely be finished within the next two years because of his injury history. He wants to be healthy in old age and he recognizes that the injuries are a sign that he can't keep pushing his body the way he used to.

As for Jericho, he's never been better in his career. He is the complete package right now. He can keep losing matches (as he has on television for quite some time now) and still be viewed as a legitimate main eventer because of how he's booked to lose and how skilled he is. It seems as if this final stretch run in his career is focused mainly on elevating talent, as he's put over quite a few guys and has helped bring legitimacy to each belt he's carried, no matter how brief. He has been involved in some great feuds over the past couple of years and this is some of the best mic work he's ever done. Sure, people might miss his old Rock Star gimmick, but I love how he's showing his acting chops and can get almost anyone over.

I'm just thrilled that, even with the poor quality of some of these storylines, there's so many younger guys being gradually pushed in WWE. Sure, some pushes could be handled better than others, but at least their main event and mid-card scene isn't as stagnant as TNA right now. Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff have really done a number on that company...

It will be a shame when Edge retires. Edge was certainly one of the best superstars in the WWE and his whole Rated R persona really fitted him well. Certainly Edge was thrown in some odd story lines(Vickie Guerrero) but he went along with it and performed well. I think certainly he could be around longer if it wasn't for all the TLC Matches he did in the 90's. Granted they were fun to watch but take away any ladder match off his resume and I'm sure he might have been healthier today. He just hasn't been the same since he came back at the Rumble earlier in the year, it was great to see him come back but I think he came back too early and personally I think he should have waited until about now to come back to be fully healed and start his feud with Jericho now and saved their Wrestlemania Match for Summer Slam. The one thing I will remember(and this is was one of the reasons I bolded Bischoff's name) is when Edge returned in 2004 and speared Eric Bischoff... talking about making an impact, spear the GM.

Edge Returns in 2004 and Spears Eric Bischoff:

Now for Jericho, I think this is the best he has ever been probably since his feud with Shawn Michaels in 2008. You are right, Jericho is one of those guys where he is still considered a main eventer regardless he has the title, he's chasing the title or in mid card defending the IC Championship. I think it's great that Jericho is helping Evan Bourne get over, just wish their matches would be longer, especially at Fatal 4 Way where it only got 12 minutes and probably deserved the 6 minutes it took to do the Divas Fatal 4 Way match to make it an 18 minute match, and given the extra 6 minutes or somewhere around 20-25 minutes, Jericho and Bourne could put on a wrestling clinic.

I still find it funny how Eric Bischoff said that Chris Jericho couldn't headline.... well he held him down in WCW for the NWO to be re-born a billion times until Vince bought WCW, and right when Jericho came to the WWF/E he became a star, and had the bold task of interrupting The Great One. First Undisputed Champion by beating both Stone Cold & The Rock, and his promos with Stephanie McMahon.... hilarious! Again Eric said Jericho couldn't headline.... amazing.... oh wait.... hold on here is what Bischoff said(it's more of a summary couldn't find exact quote from Eric but have the exact quote from Jericho's twitter(oh and time for a DX like plug, you can follow Jericho here: http://twitter.com/IAmJericho :D) about Jericho and Jericho's response:

Bischoff: He never crapped on Jericho, likes him, but doesn’t think he can headline.

Jericho's Response: Bischoffs right I can't headline in TNA...cos I'm not in my 50s.

Typical Jericho!

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Has anyone been to any small-market matches? For example, have you attended matches at your college or in a small town? If so, what has been your experience with the quality of the wrestling?

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Has anyone been to any small-market matches? For example, have you attended matches at your college or in a small town? If so, what has been your experience with the quality of the wrestling?

I went to one years ago when I was a kid. I don't remember much, but it was just straight wrestling. No promos, nothing fancy. However, I'll be going to the Covelli Centre in Youngstown, Ohio this saturday, so I can tell you more about it on sunday lol

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I went to one years ago when I was a kid. I don't remember much, but it was just straight wrestling. No promos, nothing fancy. However, I'll be going to the Covelli Centre in Youngstown, Ohio this saturday, so I can tell you more about it on sunday lol

Awesome! I went to one 5-7 years ago at "The Bob" Carpenter Center at the University of Delaware, and you could tell they knew they weren't on TV (they were missing each other by a Rey Mysterio body length). I was wondering how the quality is nowadays, and Youngstown is a good sample location.

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I used to watch WWE. I was an addict but after football came into my life that ship sort of sailed away.

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I've been trying to get back into WWE. But the PG stuff just kills it..... and Cena, he kills it too lol. If they consider to stop being corny, then I'll watch.

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I will turn it on now and again, but it doesn't come close to the "good old days" of D-X, Stone Cold and The Rock in their respective primes, along with a plethora of other amazing characters.

Agreed. Good times.

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Awesome! I went to one 5-7 years ago at "The Bob" Carpenter Center at the University of Delaware, and you could tell they knew they weren't on TV (they were missing each other by a Rey Mysterio body length). I was wondering how the quality is nowadays, and Youngstown is a good sample location.

I'll let ya know how it goes. I'm hoping it'll be a quality show, since house shows are the same price as Raw and Smackdown tickets nowadays (so I figure they want to give the crowd their money's worth).

As of right now, all I know is there's seven matches with only three listed right now:

Cena & Orton Vs. Edge & Sheamus in a cage match.

Mark Henry Vs. Ted DiBiase in a "Raw Challenge match"

Miz Vs. Morrison Vs. R-Truth for the U.S. Title (aKa a normal match, belts will never change at a house show).

I also figure there will be a match between Maryse and Eve, since they're both listed to be there. As are William Regal and Vladimir Kozlov, so I'm hoping Santino shows up, and teaches some fools to beware of the Cobra.

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Awesome! I went to one 5-7 years ago at "The Bob" Carpenter Center at the University of Delaware, and you could tell they knew they weren't on TV (they were missing each other by a Rey Mysterio body length). I was wondering how the quality is nowadays, and Youngstown is a good sample location.

My first WWE live event was a house show at BCC in 2003. I'll never forget my dad having me go into his trunk to get something and finding front-row tickets waiting for me along with a one-sheet poster advertising the event.

I remember pissing off Kevin Nash in the main event that night because I was rooting for then-heel Triple H and chanting "Diesel Sucks" :lol:

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Miz Vs. Morrison Vs. R-Truth for the U.S. Title (aKa a normal match, belts will never change at a house show).

I also figure there will be a match between Maryse and Eve, since they're both listed to be there. As are William Regal and Vladimir Kozlov, so I'm hoping Santino shows up, and teaches some fools to beware of the Cobra.

Belts will only change hands at a house show if there's an injury or they're that desperate to get the belt off the champion ASAP.

As for Maryse and Eve...I'm JEALOUS. Those are my two favorite Divas right now...I'd marry both on the spot, even without getting to know them.

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From what I've heard, house shows are much more like televised shows than they were back in the day (although without the pyro and tron). The Covelli Center is pretty big, so I'm hoping to get lucky at least get some little pyro, and maybe a decent looking tunnel for the wrestlers to come out of.

Man, I used to love Diesel back in the day (maybe it was due to the fact that he had alot of storylines with my all time favorite wrestler, Shawn Michaels).

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Belts will only change hands at a house show if there's an injury or they're that desperate to get the belt off the champion ASAP.

As for Maryse and Eve...I'm JEALOUS. Those are my two favorite Divas right now...I'd marry both on the spot, even without getting to know them.

Under both circumstances, Miz is safe then. He's probably the best wrestler for the title right now on the brand, and I'd hate to see him get injured when he's finally starting to grow on me (although how he holds the mic when he's walking out to the ring still hasn't).

I've actually heard Eve is even better looking in person, although I can't imagine how that could be possible. I'm just making a guess as to the Eve/Maryse match, it'd make sense for them to have a match since they're listed. But with my luck, Maryse will just accompany DiBiase to the ring (thanks to their new storyline), and the WWE will have Eve accompany Henry for the night. In which case, one of them (preferably Maryse) better be standing at my side of the ring, or I'll be highly disappointed.

I'd love to get the chance to meet Maryse and land an autograph, but my girlfriend would literally kill me if I even mentioned the idea.

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Under both circumstances, Miz is safe then. He's probably the best wrestler for the title right now on the brand, and I'd hate to see him get injured when he's finally starting to grow on me (although how he holds the mic when he's walking out to the ring still hasn't).

I've actually heard Eve is even better looking in person, although I can't imagine how that could be possible. I'm just making a guess as to the Eve/Maryse match, it'd make sense for them to have a match since they're listed. But with my luck, Maryse will just accompany DiBiase to the ring (thanks to their new storyline), and the WWE will have Eve accompany Henry for the night. In which case, one of them (preferably Maryse) better be standing at my side of the ring, or I'll be highly disappointed.

I'd love to get the chance to meet Maryse and land an autograph, but my girlfriend would literally kill me if I even mentioned the idea.

Then don't mention it and get her autograph without her knowing ;)

I think I have only met 2 or 3 wrestlers ever, my first was when I was in either 1st or 3rd grade and I met Scott "Razor Ramon" Hall and at the time he was the IC champion and the picture is me holding the title(surprisingly I could hold the belt without falling, it was heavy!) and him in the back doing his trademark pose.

On Memorial Day Weekend I met...... WOOOOOOOOOOOO! That's Right the Nature Boy Ric Flair at a Wal-Mart in Concord, NC. I'll say this I wanted to ask him something about TNA but I was just so star struck to be having the chance to get his autograph, I just stayed quiet lol. He signed my Wrestlemania 24 DVD.

Since most of you guys are from MD, and I am but moved to NC, did anyone here go to Backlash in 2008 or the recent PPV Extreme Rules at 1st Mariner Arena?

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Then don't mention it and get her autograph without her knowing ;)

I think I have only met 2 or 3 wrestlers ever, my first was when I was in either 1st or 3rd grade and I met Scott "Razor Ramon" Hall and at the time he was the IC champion and the picture is me holding the title(surprisingly I could hold the belt without falling, it was heavy!) and him in the back doing his trademark pose.

On Memorial Day Weekend I met...... WOOOOOOOOOOOO! That's Right the Nature Boy Ric Flair at a Wal-Mart in Concord, NC. I'll say this I wanted to ask him something about TNA but I was just so star struck to be having the chance to get his autograph, I just stayed quiet lol. He signed my Wrestlemania 24 DVD.

Since most of you guys are from MD, and I am but moved to NC, did anyone here go to Backlash in 2008 or the recent PPV Extreme Rules at 1st Mariner Arena?

I probably couldn't get away from her long enough to sneak an autograph, heh. I've heard that sometimes after house shows (depending alot on the venue too), sometimes you can meet some of the superstars in the parking lot to grab some autographs. Of course, I'm not sure I want to stand around in a parking lot at night in Youngstown, regardless of where I am.

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