Derrick Mason Flying Under The Radar

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='20 June 2010 - 12:39 AM' timestamp='1277008793' post='423819']
I never underestimate Derrick. I loved the guy when he was a Titan, and I was pumped to see him sign with Baltimore. Hands down, Mason is one of the most reliable and toughest receivers in the league (how many wide outs could have played with one arm as well as he did against Dallas?). I'd love to see other teams pay more attention to Boldin and play Mason loosely.

However, on NFL.com's latest fantasy article about players to avoid drafting, Derrick Mason is listed. Apparently, adding Boldin and Stallworth has made him nothing better than "a fourth string option". I don't buy it.
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I find paying attention to the fantasy football analysts a painful process, akin to attempting to fish a marble out of an operating blender. There's a reason they're not on the analyst 'first string'.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='20 June 2010 - 06:10 PM' timestamp='1277010623' post='423833']
I find paying attention to the fantasy football analysts a painful process, akin to attempting to fish a marble out of an operating blender. There's a reason they're not on the analyst 'first string'.
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Lol, how often are they wrong about fantasy too.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='19 June 2010 - 11:59 PM' timestamp='1277009995' post='423827']
Lol, that same article suggested Palmer, Roethlisberger and Ochocinco are all going to have poor fantasy seasons.

Yes, Michael, those QBs are facing a tough schedule!
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I can fully understand Palmer and Ben though, especially if Roethlisberger misses six games (as it stands right now). It'll be hard to draft him high knowing he'll only play in 10 games. Palmer's always risky too, namely because you never knew if he's going to go down with an injury or not.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='20 June 2010 - 06:19 PM' timestamp='1277011199' post='423841']
I can fully understand Palmer and Ben though, especially if Roethlisberger misses six games (as it stands right now). It'll be hard to draft him high knowing he'll only play in 10 games. Palmer's always risky too, namely because you never knew if he's going to go down with an injury or not.
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Mmm that's for sure. He might be in trouble if Mount Cody lands on him!

[BloodRaven]

It's fascinating how well he's fighting the effects of age and decline, I remember 3 years ago most of us were talking about Clayton taking his place and eventually phasing Mason out of the team... then he just kept improving. It's crazy.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='20 June 2010 - 01:18 AM' timestamp='1277011086' post='423839']
Lol, how often are they wrong about fantasy too.
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I think you and I could make better picks... and I'm not kidding in any way.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='Milton145' date='19 June 2010 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1276985589' post='423716']
People misunderstood how I meant to use "flying under the radar". I'm not saying we Ravens fan have been forgetting about him, but mostly other teams/media/people etc. are forgetting what a dangerous weapon he can be as a #2 Receiver now since he's been so consistent as a #1.

I'll try to use the Bengals as an example. I was hearing some analysts talk about how they need a WR to [i]compliment[/i] the #1 in Ochocinco. For us it was "Ravens need a true #1" but we really already have a #1 in Mason.

That's what I was getting at when I said "Mason is flying under the radar" and could have a huge year because of it. I would also like to note that Mason was more productive than Boldin last year as well.
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Anquan Boldin played with an injury most of the season, and he got about 1130 yards in like 12 games while Mason was healthy and really played all the games and got around 1130 yards. So i don't really understand how Mason was more productive.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='19 June 2010 - 06:36 PM' timestamp='1276987000' post='423732']
Being a major part of a deep postseason run and having a huge showing in the Super Bowl will probably help Mason a whole lot in that area. Realistically Mason probably will have to play about 3 more seasons(including this year) of highly productive football to place himslef into serious consideration for the HOF. However he atleast deserves a mention right now.
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Mason isn't going to make the HOF. A lot of great players won't ever have a shot at the HOF, thats just how crowded it is. My fav QB was Steve McNair, and he will probably never make it either. What seperates most of these players are superbowl rings, and even if Derrick Mason gets a ring i'm not sure if Mason would still get in, although at that point he would suddenly be in the running at least.

[berad]

[quote name='justifythegame' date='20 June 2010 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1277058155' post='424048']
Anquan Boldin played with an injury most of the season, and he got about 1130 yards in like 12 games while Mason was healthy and really played all the games and got around 1130 yards. So i don't really understand how Mason was more productive.
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[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MasoDe00.htm"]Derrick Mason[/url]

[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoldAn00.htm"]Anquan Boldin[/url]

Neither player reached even 1100. Boldin only missed one game. And Mason was more productive on the season, he's correct. I'm not sure where you got your information.

[Milton145]

[quote name='justifythegame' date='20 June 2010 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1277058155' post='424048']
Anquan Boldin played with an injury most of the season, and he got about 1130 yards in like 12 games while Mason was healthy and really played all the games and got around 1130 yards. So i don't really understand how Mason was more productive.
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Last season Boldin had more receptions but Mason had more receiving yards and TDs.

Receptions don't equal as much production as yards and TDs do.

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='justifythegame' date='20 June 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1277058401' post='424049']
[b]Mason isn't going to make the HOF[/b]. A lot of great players won't ever have a shot at the HOF, thats just how crowded it is.
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Especially with the logjam at wide receiver is going to be extremely hard for mason to get in. Think about it, Shannon Sharpe, Cris Carter. Already trying to get in on their 3+ year of eligibility. Isaac Bruce just retired. Soon TO, Randy Moss and Torry Holt are going to retire. All of them would be in line before Mason. For whatever reason its getting rediculously hard for receivers to get in the hall. Even if you were better than anyone at your position before (shannon) or second only to Jerry Rice (Carter)

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='EdReedFTW' date='20 June 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1277077205' post='424126']
Especially with the logjam at wide receiver is going to be extremely hard for mason to get in. Think about it, [b]Shannon Sharpe[/b], Cris Carter. Already trying to get in on their 3+ year of eligibility. Isaac Bruce just retired. Soon TO, Randy Moss and Torry Holt are going to retire. All of them would be in line before Mason. For whatever reason its getting rediculously hard for receivers to get in the hall. Even if you were better than anyone at your position before (shannon) or second only to Jerry Rice (Carter)
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Too bad Sharpe is a tight end, not a wide receiver.

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='20 June 2010 - 09:57 PM' timestamp='1277085433' post='424149']
Too bad Sharpe is a tight end, not a wide receiver.
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Aww man. If only i had known that before, such as when I stated he had the TE records. I know what position Shannon Sharpe plays. However its still probable that a pass catching TE who, at the time of retirement, held all the major receiving records will get inducted before a consistent receiver who has never been considered "the best" at any point during his career.

[AwakenTheDemon]

You were talking about "the logjam at wide receiver" and then list a tight end along with five wide outs. Unless you're referring to a completely different thread, you stated nothing about Sharpe and the tight end records, or anything about Sharpe and the tight end position. All you mentioned is he was better than anyone at his position before. There's no need to have a jerky attitude just because I pointed out the one person who isn't a wide receiver in your list of wide receivers that are creating a "logjam" at the position in the hall of fame.

Regardless, Sharpe will be in the Hall long before Mason is eligible for it.

[GTRavens]

I'm very worried about Mason, because a) he wasn't as good last year and he's really, really old. I don't know if he'll be all that effective this year.

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='20 June 2010 - 11:08 PM' timestamp='1277089699' post='424162']
You were talking about "the logjam at wide receiver" and then list a tight end along with five wide outs. Unless you're referring to a completely different thread, you stated nothing about Sharpe and the tight end records, or anything about Sharpe and the tight end position. All you mentioned is he was better than anyone at his position before. There's no need to have a jerky attitude just because I pointed out the one person who isn't a wide receiver in your list of wide receivers that are creating a "logjam" at the position in the hall of fame.

Regardless, Sharpe will be in the Hall long before Mason is eligible for it.
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Lol, jerky attitude. No I am not spicy. (I know what you mean) anyway unless both Jerry Rice and Shannon Sharpe can hold the receiving records then my first post obviously shows I know that shannon was not a WR. I included him because WR and TE are very similar fields (especially since shannon didnt really block) and the HOF commitee hasnt been putting in two recievers in the same year recently. As for how soon shannon will get in I'm just not convinced it will be soon. Cris Carter and Sharpe are in their third year of eligibility(I think) already so who knows what those guys are thinking. They both probably should have been first ballot HOFers

[1/28/01]

[quote name='GTRavens' date='20 June 2010 - 11:16 PM' timestamp='1277090187' post='424167']
I'm very worried about Mason, because a) he wasn't as good last year and he's really, really old. I don't know if he'll be all that effective this year.
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73 for 1,028 and 7 TD's

[Milton145]

Mason was good last year...he just dropped a few easy passes. Even still he was very effective. Those stats are pretty good as a only receiving threat on a team.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='GTRavens' date='20 June 2010 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1277090187' post='424167']
I'm very worried about Mason, because a) he wasn't as good last year and he's really, really old. I don't know if he'll be all that effective this year.
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Mason has aged extremely well, so I wouldn't be concerned. The man is one of the toughest receivers I've seen. While he may not put up huge numbers, he [i]will[/i] be effective this year.

[Purple Nurple]

After seeing him catch (injured) with one arm on more than one occasion and after this collision, he is the toughest WR I know.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnUyhyj9nxQ[/media]

[Alexir]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' date='21 June 2010 - 02:34 AM' timestamp='1277102054' post='424200']
After seeing him catch (injured) with one arm on more than one occasion and after this collision, he is the toughest WR I know.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnUyhyj9nxQ"]http://www.youtube.c...h?v=dnUyhyj9nxQ[/url]
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He's tougher than some tight ends out there!

[Purple Nurple]

Now we have him [i]and[/i] Q.

[Purple Nurple]

found this.


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddN5-LFGl7k&playnext_from=TL&videos=GElUKz-ODqE&feature=rec-LGOUT-real_rn-1r-10-HM[/media]

[darklight1216]

^ Good find. That's a cool video.

[Milton145]

And this is exactly why I love me some Derrick Mason

[lowrider]

Mason may not get over 1000 yards this year. I see something like 50 or 60 catches and 800 yards, but there is not doubt questioning his importance to our team. Boldin and Stallworth will be more explosive, but when 3rd down comes around or the 4th quarter comes around and we need a first down or a for sure clutch play. We know whose number to call. Mr. reliable. [i][b]SOOOOOO[/b][/i][u][/u] glad he didn't retire last year.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='Milton145' date='20 June 2010 - 03:19 PM' timestamp='1277061577' post='424066']
Last season Boldin had more receptions but Mason had more receiving yards and TDs.

Receptions don't equal as much production as yards and TDs do.
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Boldin is listed as starting all the games but the dude was injured and wasn't in during a certain stretch of the season. He also played with an injury which was slowing him down all season. Now if you look at Boldin's numbers without considering anything else, those numbers are actually extremely disappointing, even as a #2 because of who he is. But what impressed people were his numbers, and toughness to keep playing in spite of those injuries. And if Boldin was the #1 WR getting passes from Kurt Warner, even injured Boldin would get you at least 1200 yards.

[RayRice=Beast]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='19 June 2010 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1276987000' post='423732']
Being a major part of a deep postseason run and having a huge showing in the Super Bowl will probably help Mason a whole lot in that area. Realistically Mason probably will have to play about 3 more seasons(including this year) of highly productive football to place himslef into serious consideration for the HOF. However he atleast deserves a mention right now.
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I think Derrick Mason is the most underated receiver in football, just because he's not a T.O. type that brags and trash talks. He's just as good as anyone in the leage. I really look forward to watching him and Anquan Boldin on the same team. By the way, Ravens are goin to the SHOW!!!!!!!!

[K-Dog]

Mase is going to have a FANTASTIC year. Mark my words. Boldin will draw a lot of attention. Strangly enough Mase is under the radar enough that Boldin will get all the double team and Mase will have a lot more room to work with.

Just get this dang season started.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='K-Dog' date='21 June 2010 - 08:50 PM' timestamp='1277167850' post='424555']
Mase is going to have a FANTASTIC year. Mark my words. Boldin will draw a lot of attention. Strangly enough Mase is under the radar enough that Boldin will get all the double team and Mase will have a lot more room to work with.

Just get this dang season started.

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I think Mase is going to be the best #2 in the NFL, but he seemed to disappear a lot more than usual last year, so at his age i wouldn't be surprised if he slows down a bit more. Who no one is talking about is Donte Stallworth, i think thats the real guy under the radar. This guy is under house arrest, and all he does now is live and breathe football. I used to watch him on the saints when they picked him the first round and his speed was so amazing. Remember when Joe Flacco threw a couple bombs to Yamon Figurs his rookie year? Thats what I see happening next year while everyone is busy covering Boldin and Mase.