Merged: Game 1 @ Jets Discussion

[Clutch Ravens]

If Mark Sanchez is the same player as last year then the Jets will struggle mightily all year long; they let one of the most consistent runningbacks in the NFL (Thomas Jones) go, hey let one of the best run blocking guards in the game go and replaced him with a rookie. They may have Kris Jenkins back but, as ED20 said, he's coming off an ACL tear which, at his sort of size, is not the easiest thing to come back from.

Shonn Greene did well in the post season last year but who's to say he does that all season long, behind an offensive line that has one new starter and a disgruntled center? LaDainian Tomlinson won't be up to much if Shonn Greene fails.

Santonio Holmes is suspended for our game against them meaning we've got to cover Braylon "Stone Hands" Edwards and the mediocre Jerricho Cotchery. Not exactly receivers that strike fear into your very core, particularly if Sanchez is as bad as last year.

They lost Kerry Rhodes and replaced him with Brodney Pool/Eric Smith, a definite down-grade. Their OLBs - Calvin Pace and Bryan Thomas - aren't exactly the best pass rushers around. If Cromartie continues to play like he did the past couple of years then he'll be easily abused, assuming Kyle Wilson doesn't beat him out for the number 2 spot.

The Jets really aren't as good/daunting as everyone seems to think. Had it not been for the Bengals and Colts letting them into the playoffs last year, we'd be sitting here saying "The Jets? Lol, this game's a lock",

[JFaulK]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='02 June 2010 - 09:24 PM' timestamp='1275531853' post='417097']


1) WR1 Boldin x CB1 Reevis even

2) WR2 Mason x CB2 Cromartie even

3) WR3 Stallworth x ??? Ravens

4) RB Rice x Scott/Harris Ravens

5) TE Heap/Dickson/Pitta x any NYJ LB's Ravens


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i dont really understand this..

I can see Boldin having 3-4 catches for 40-50 Yards. Mason same thing.

Stallworth is going to be the receiving xfactor because he will be coverd by Lowery(who is inconsistent guy is good one day, and awful the next..and a rookie Kyle Wilson)

Rice- probably wont be able to run up the middle. He is going to have to be catching dump offs/run the sidelines because Kris Jenkins is going to have a road block in the trenches.

those 3 TE's any NYJ LB's? What you smoking.

This game is going to be awesome though.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='JFaulK' date='15 June 2010 - 09:44 AM' timestamp='1276609479' post='421887']
i dont really understand this
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Doc was breaking down the individual match-ups and determining who had the advantage.

For example, Cromartie will likely be covering Mason during the game. Cromartie is baby powder soft and is more than capable of getting beat but Mason has trouble separating so you could say this match-up is "even".

[stormie]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='14 June 2010 - 03:48 PM' timestamp='1276544891' post='421737']

Third... one match-up you completely forgot to mention is Flacco against Rex Ryan. Flacco hasn't yet shown he recognizes what protections to call out or what audibles to call when and if he recognizes a blitz. Rex Ryan is one of the greatest defensive coordinators AND he will have a personal grudge against the Ravens for passing over him for head coach.
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That is one of my biggest concerns. We'll see how our guys [i]'match up' [/i]when they play, some of them we can't even really predict because as mentioned...they haven't played an NFL game yet. We'll get a glimpse of them in the off season of course. But this first game will be a HUGE test.

#1 priority during that game: PROTECT FLACCO! (I trust Flacco to play a great game, but I don't trust Rex's players) JMO

[lowrider]

I think the key for the game is turnovers. Whatever defense gets more turnovers, wins. Turnovers are caused by presser, so hopefully we can get some on the Jets amazing offensive line. But then again Sanchez last year was the least touched qb in the league and he threw interceptions like it was his job. If we can win the field position game and keep the ball, I could see us winning.

I also think that we have the advantage when the game is on the line. Flacco>Sanchez and no one can tell me different. And that will be key in the fourth quarter.

[Ngata92NT]

Match up by position:

Quarterback: Ravens I think it's obvious why.

Runningback: Ravens This one is closer, Green is a good back but Rice is a true feature back.

TE: Even Keller and Heap are both very capable. Heap has slowed down a bit but he's also more experienced. I won't factor in the rookie TEs until they've actually played an NFL match.

WR: Ravens Edwards doesn't scare me at all and Holmes isn't playing. Cotchery looks like a possible threat if he's matched up with Carr or Williams. But we have exceptional possession receivers in Boldin and Mason and a possible deep threat in Stallworth.

O-Line: Even I think the Ravens line will be one of the best, if not the best, in the NFL in the next few years. But right now they lack experience and chemistry. The Jets have a strong run blocking line which is tenacious and experienced. I'd call this one a draw until I see how our line develops.

D-Line: Ravens Raven's line is looking very intimidating right now. I expect us to be the best run-stopping team by far with the addition of Cody(as usual haha). And if we can get Kruger, Redding, Suggs and Ngata to start pressing the QB to their actual potential we'll be unstoppable. The Jets have a good line as well but I have to give the Ravens an advantage here.

Linebacker: Even This one is very, very close. I think we can all acknowledge that both the Ravens and Jets have excellent linebacker corps.

Secondary: Jets Ed Reed will terrorize Sanchez, but we have a weakness at CB while Webb and Washington rehab. The Jets have the best CB in the league (sorry Nnamdi) and the top pass defense. Jets secondary is the best in the NFL currently and I don't think that will change.

So based on this analysis I'd say the Ravens have an advantage on paper to the Jets. I think this will come down to the Raven's running game and the Jet's passing game. The Ravens will not have a big day passing against the Jets but are dangerous enough to prevent the Jets from focusing on the run. If Rice can take advantage of that we'll win in TOP and put up points consistently.

For the Jets, they need to beat us in the passing game if they want any chance to win. If we shut down Sanchez they'll be forced to run the ball. And that just won't work on us. But Sanchez isn't good enough yet to challenge one of the league's most aggressive, dangerous defenses.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='15 June 2010 - 09:48 AM' timestamp='1276609719' post='421889']
Doc was breaking down the individual match-ups and determining who had the advantage.

For example, Cromartie will likely be covering Mason during the game. Cromartie is baby powder soft and is more than capable of getting beat but Mason has trouble separating so you could say this match-up is "even".
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I'd have to disagree and say advantage Mason. there aren't many CB's in the league that can match up with him 1 on 1 because his route running is just that good. He also still has some of the best hands in the league. That being said, our deep receiver probably won't be Mason. It will probably be Stallworth who most likely won't be matched up with either Revis or Cromartie.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='15 June 2010 - 01:07 PM' timestamp='1276621629' post='421927']
I'd have to disagree and say advantage Mason. there aren't many CB's in the league that can match up with him 1 on 1 because his route running is just that good. He also still has some of the best hands in the league. That being said, our deep receiver probably won't be Mason. It will probably be Stallworth who most likely won't be matched up with either Revis or Cromartie.
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Mason's route running is top-notch and I'm not a Cromartie fan by any means but Derrick will be another year older and Cromartie is supposedly better in man coverage which NY runs as opposed to zone coverage which SD ran.

We'll just have to see.

[berad]

[quote name='BmoreSports09' date='14 June 2010 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1276572504' post='421839']
People are not giving enough respect to the Jets. We are not going to go undefeated, and I think this is a game we could lose. I also think we Ravens fans overrate Stallworth. I personally have no reason to believe yet that he is any better than Mark Clayton. It's not unrealistic that Clayton could beat him out of the 3rd receiver spot, not saying it will definitely happen but it could. [b]We don't know what to expect from Stallworth, he's been out of football for a year and he was never amazing to begin with, whereas Kyle Wilson, although he's a rookie is very highly regarded.[/b] Believe me, I'm a Ravens fan and I hope we win, but I'm offering an alternate, unbiased outlook of the game. The Jets under Rex Ryan are probably the best defense in the NFL, with us as a close second.
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Pot calling the kettle black.

It's hypocritical to say that fans don't know what to expect from Stallworth [i](which I agree with)[/i] but then praise an even more unproven value in Wilson. You're right - they are both question marks heading into the season.

[JFaulK]

[quote name='berad' date='15 June 2010 - 03:11 PM' timestamp='1276632685' post='421985']
Pot calling the kettle black.

It's hypocritical to say that fans don't know what to expect from Stallworth [i](which I agree with)[/i] but then praise an even more unproven value in Wilson. You're right - they are both question marks heading into the season.
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Wilson looks like he could be a great player, but its going to be very difficult to play your first game MNF against a quality team like the Ravens.

we can speculate for another 3months then find out!

[berad]

[quote name='JFaulK' date='15 June 2010 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1276632873' post='421986']
[b]Wilson looks like he could be a great player[/b], but its going to be very difficult to play your first game MNF against a quality team like the Ravens.

[b]we can speculate for another 3months then find out![/b]
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These two go hand in hand.

We won't know how any unproven player will perform until they step on the field. It's a simple as that. But it's silly to heap praise on Wilson while, at the same time, questioning Stallworth.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='lowrider' date='15 June 2010 - 11:36 AM' timestamp='1276616184' post='421912']
I think the key for the game is turnovers. Whatever defense gets more turnovers, wins. Turnovers are caused by presser, so hopefully we can get some on the Jets amazing offensive line. But then again Sanchez last year was the least touched qb in the league and he threw interceptions like it was his job. If we can win the field position game and keep the ball, I could see us winning.

I also think that we have the advantage when the game is on the line. Flacco>Sanchez and no one can tell me different. And that will be key in the fourth quarter.
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I'm with you on that. Turnovers are becoming a little bit overlooked in terms of their influence in games.

Let's face it, fumbles can happen at any given moment, so there's no telling which team is going to force more come gameday, but as far as interceptions are concerned.....it's Flacco vs. Sanchez.

That's probably the main reason I think were gonna win this game. I doubt Mark throws only 12 TDs to 20 Ints this year, I think he'll improve. But even still:

It's his first game of the season and their O line (now without Faneca) will go against our new and improved pass rush.

[JFaulK]

[quote name='berad' date='15 June 2010 - 03:18 PM' timestamp='1276633126' post='421989']
These two go hand in hand.

We won't know how any unproven player will perform until they step on the field. It's a simple as that. But it's silly to heap praise on Wilson while, at the same time, questioning Stallworth.
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Yep I agree 100%. No logical way to disagree with that.

[Ravenseconbeast]

How will we stack up against Jets in 2010 game 1?

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Revis will probably have Q on lockdown.

Jets will try to lock Ray Rice

Our best secondary will still be questionable (webb/fabian/reed)

Rex has wealth of experience on Ravens' D-

We are at their field in NY..
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How'd did we win them last year, and whats a good strategy to beat Jets?

Last thing we can use is a loss in our first game to [b]start our most anticipated year[/b] of Ravens.

Thoughts?

[ravensconvert]

Whoever gets to 17 points first wins. This will be a defensive showcase.

I would not be surprised if the over under and points was 30.

[Twoo]

[quote name='JFaulK' date='15 June 2010 - 09:44 AM' timestamp='1276609479' post='421887']
i dont really understand this..

I can see Boldin having 3-4 catches for 40-50 Yards. Mason same thing.

Stallworth is going to be the receiving xfactor because he will be coverd by Lowery(who is inconsistent guy is good one day, and awful the next..and a rookie Kyle Wilson)

Rice- probably wont be able to run up the middle. He is going to have to be catching dump offs/run the sidelines because Kris Jenkins is going to have a road block in the trenches.

those 3 TE's any NYJ LB's? What you smoking.

This game is going to be awesome though.
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EXCELLENT post. I agree entirely.

Boldin/Mason will be held to under 100 yards combined... Stallworth and our TE crew will be the biggest xfactor. Then remember about Rice, McG, McC and our OL.

We simply have too many weapons for the Jets to defend against and Flacco was killer when he opened the season last year with an inferior WR core. Like I said 1,000 times... Ravens 24+ points, Jets 13 points or under.

[Twoo]

Here's a good comparison.....

[b]WR[/b]

Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery, Dustin Keller
vs
Anquan Boldin, Derrick Mason, Donte Stallworth, Todd Heap
Winner: [i]Ravens[/i]


[b]RB[/b]

Shonn Greene, LaDainian Tomlinson, Joe McKnight, Tony Richardson
vs
Ray Rice, Willis McGahee, Jalen Parmele, LeRon McClain
Winner: [i]Ravens[/i]



[b]OL[/b]

D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Vladimir Ducasse/Matt Slauson, Nick Mangold, Brandon Moore, Damien Woody
vs
Jared Gaither, Ben Grubbs, Matt Birk, Marshal Yanda, Michael Oher
Winner: [i]Jets[/i]


[b]DL[/b]

Kris Jenkins, Shaun Ellis, Vernon Gholston, Mike Devito, Sione Pouha
vs
Kelly Gregg, Haloti Ngata, Trevor Pryce, Terrence Cody
Winner: [i]Ravens[/i]


[b]LB[/b]

Bart Scott, David Harris, Calvin Pace, Jason Taylor, Bryan Thomas
vs
Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Dannell Ellerbe, Jarret Johnson, Sergio Kindle
Winner: [i]Ravens[/i]


[b]Secondary[/b]

Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Jim Leonhard, Brodney Pool
vs
Fabian Washington, Domonique Foxworth, Lardarius Webb, Dawan Landry, Ed Reed
Winner: [i]Jets[/i]

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I believe that currently, on paper (which still means nothing yet), we will win this as we have so much more offensive power. The Jets made a BIG mistake in letting Thomas Jones go. This means now that they have to trust Shonn Greene or a no-longer producing veteran in LT to work their ground game which was their best weapon last year. Due to the fact that Sanchez hasn't got Holmes, we shouldn't have a great deal of trouble in covering their wide receivers. The Jets however, have a much more complex offense to figure out now that we have reliable receiving threats in other than Mason, Rice and Heap. Aside of that, I believe that our running game will enjoy more success than its NYJ counterpart.

In short, I believe we will win this, but be prepared for some nasty numbers for our offense. This will be a long night for both teams.

[lowrider]

It's hard to see how our team is going to come out and play week 1. On paper we look like a great team, but there's a lot of factors in this game we just don't know. They have home field advantage, and how will that affect our team? How well will Flacco connect with his new weapons? The health of our cb's and Ed Reed.

But then again there is the questions of, how will the loss of Jones, Leon Washington, and Faneca affect their running game and offensive line. How much improved is Sanchez? Can Shonn Greene handle the load on offense? Can the Jets' offense put up points? We will see how all of this factors in.

[BuckWilds]

It is par for the course and accepted that players of a particular team will have Super Bowl expectations, but I found this article (based on Tomlinson's interview) interesting, considering the Jets' supposed march to the Super Bowl would have to start with a defeat of the Ravens:

[b][url="http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5337964"]Jets think Super Bowl[/url][/b]

Asked if the Jets would win a Super Bowl, Tomlinson told Sal Paolantonio, "Absolutely, no question. Absolutely." Again, I understand it's an expected remark. But that doesn't mean it's not worth a spot on the wall. At some point along the line between now and September 13, 2010 the Jets saying they'll win is them saying they're going to make losers of the Ravens. The whole, "We're going to win it all" Rex Ryan-esque declarations are less endearing than they used to be... How's that song go?

[b][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vprDWPBDIxQ"]See You In September... See you when the summer's through[/url][/b]

[DMT]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='29 June 2010 - 11:10 AM' timestamp='1277824259' post='427682']
It is par for the course and accepted that players of a particular team will have Super Bowl expectations, but I found this article (based on Tomlinson's interview) interesting, considering the Jets' supposed march to the Super Bowl would have to start with a defeat of the Ravens:

[b][url="http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5337964"]Jets think Super Bowl[/url][/b]

Asked if the Jets would win a Super Bowl, Tomlinson told Sal Paolantonio, "Absolutely, no question. Absolutely." Again, I understand it's an expected remark. But that doesn't mean it's not worth a spot on the wall. At some point along the line between now and September 13, 2010 the Jets saying they'll win is them saying they're going to make losers of the Ravens. The whole, "We're going to win it all" Rex Ryan-esque declarations are less endearing than they used to be... How's that song go?

[b][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vprDWPBDIxQ"]See You In September... See you when the summer's through[/url][/b]
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Rex's ignorant comments always irked me a little. Now that he's on a different team...they irk me a lot. Hopefully we'll make him eat those words in both the regular season and the playoffs if necessary