Merged: Game 1 @ Jets Discussion

[DocMartin]

Just a thought about Ravens game plan in the season opener against Jets. It could become a game of who matches against who, and could decide outcome of this game.
Who would have the best chance of being the star in this game?

1) WR1 Boldin x CB1 Reevis even

2) WR2 Mason x CB2 Cromartie even

3) WR3 Stallworth x ??? Ravens

4) RB Rice x Scott/Harris Ravens

5) TE Heap/Dickson/Pitta x any NYJ LB's Ravens

I say we will see heavy douse of Rice and TE's, with occasional pass to Boldin and Mason. Stallworth could be a dark horse in this one, he could break it wide open with his speed. I think we should use him a lot.

[DMT]

I don't care who shines as long as we kick their butts up and down the field

[1/28/01]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='02 June 2010 - 10:24 PM' timestamp='1275531853' post='417097']
Just a thought about Ravens game plan in the season opener against Jets. It could become a game of who matches against who, and could decide outcome of this game.
Who would have the best chance of being the star in this game?

1) WR1 Boldin x CB1 Reevis even

2) WR2 Mason x CB2 Cromartie even

3) WR3 Stallworth x ??? Ravens

4) RB Rice x Scott/Harris Ravens

5) TE Heap/Dickson/Pitta x any NYJ LB's Ravens

I say we will see heavy douse of Rice and TE's, with occasional pass to Boldin and Mason. Stallworth could be a dark horse in this one, he could break it wide open with his speed. I think we should use him a lot.

[/quote]
Not sure who "negged" you, because I actually like this topic and those that know me......thats quite a feat!

I think Stalls will break this open and start 2010 with a BANG!!!!

I also believe that the biggest "matchup" will be Dirty S vs the Ravens secondary. Dude will choke - COUNT ON IT!!!

[XxSizzleXx]

Sanchez against our D, he will be in for a very fun day.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='05 June 2010 - 07:39 PM' timestamp='1275719955' post='418170']
Sanchez against our D, he will be in for a very fun day.
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Greetings Sanchize, meet Mount Cody.

[ScreamForMe]

I'm hard pressed to say that ANY offensive players on either side are going to really "shine". I think Sexy Rexy has his defense up to par with ours. And whichever one makes the first mistake is going to be the determining factor, in my opinion. I think they both have the weapons to shut their opposing offenses down.

Don't really agree with the Doc's first match up. I was so happy to see Boldin come to the Purple and Black but what an opening test he'll have trying to shed Revis all night. I give the edge to The Island in that one. I agree that Mason and Cromartie are even. 1/28/01 made a great point. Stallworth has Dark Horse written all over him . . . for this game and all season. If dude can play to his potential, I see comeback player of the year in his future. Hopefully we open it up early to potentially get Revis off of Boldin for a few plays.

At the end of the day, I think BMore fans will be disappointed in the fact that we have all these great new toys for Flacco but it's going to be the running game that makes or breaks this game for us. As long as our D contains Shonn Greene and Ray Rice plays the way Ray Rice plays, it should be a low scoring ground affair that, hopefully, the Ravens come out on top of.

I think this game has potential to be an early game of the year candidate. I'm excited to see what happens.

[CustomUserName]

I don't care about those match ups. Will they affect the game, obviously, but I think the most important match up to watch in this game is whether or not we can pressure Sanchez.

Will we be able to run the ball on them, it will be difficult. Rice is an elite RB, but they had the best run defense last year, and no reason to believe they will have a drop off.

Will they be able to run on us, it will be difficult. Any RB that has to run against Baltimore has to find a way to make it past Cody, Ngata, Gregg, and Pryce, then if they manage to do that, they have earned the right to be face to face with Lewis, Suggs, and JJ. Ouch.

Flacco is better than Sanchez and I believe we have the better and more cohesive receiving corp, however the Jets have Revis and Cromartie, and say what you will about Cromartie, but if anyone can bring out his full potential, its Rex Ryan.

Sooooooo, all that said, the two teams are pretty even (hey it comes when two of the stoutest defenses in the league play each other), BUT if we can get pressure, expect 20 pick Sanchez to make some costly mistakes, also if we get pressure on him, I believe it will be representative of our play for the rest of the season.

[itscbm5042]

1) WR1 Boldin x CB1 Revis - even doing deep, but Boldin can get an advantage using comeback routes and short slants across the middle. Flacco's gameplan should be stay away from Revis Island on deep routes and work the mid to short passing game.

2) WR2 Mason x CB2 Cromartie I think the veteran WR has an advantage here on Cromartie who isn't a great cover corner. Mason should be able to trip him up a few times for the 20-30 yard completion.

3) WR3 Stallworth x CB3 Wilson - Stallworth - can't wait to see him in the Pre-Season to see how fast he really is. We heard he is still a burner I wanna see it.

4) RB Rice x Scott/Harris - Ravens (Rice will be a receiving threat in this game too as the Jets D is comparable to the Steelers and we ate them up throwing to Rice)

5) TE Heap/Dickson/Pitta x any NYJ LB's - Ravens here with the first 3 headed TE monster in the NFL

[Halden52]

This game will be an exciting one, defensively anyways. Both teams usuall win games with a solid D. That said, I do believe that our offense has really bloomed over the offseason. On paper our offense is better than the Jets, but thats just paper. I do believe though that the additions will make an impact imediately, Flacco is a great qb and has the ability to adjust to new receivers and will effectively give the ball to Boldin and Stallworth, as well as Mason and Clayton. The additions on our defense will contribute also. I think that we have a better team overall than the Jets but I think that the defense will win it for either side. It'll be a low scoring game and whoever makes less mistakes, against these defenses you really can't win while making stupid mistakes, and fewer penalties will take the cake in this one. Considering the rosters I think it will be the Ravens on the top of the scoreboard.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='02 June 2010 - 09:24 PM' timestamp='1275531853' post='417097']
Just a thought about Ravens game plan in the season opener against Jets. It could become a game of who matches against who, and could decide outcome of this game.
Who would have the best chance of being the star in this game?

1) WR1 Boldin x CB1 Reevis even

2) WR2 Mason x CB2 Cromartie even

3) WR3 Stallworth x ??? Ravens

4) RB Rice x Scott/Harris Ravens

[b]5) TE Heap/Dickson/Pitta x any NYJ LB's Ravens[/b]

I say we will see heavy douse of Rice [b]and TE's[/b], with occasional pass to Boldin and Mason. Stallworth could be a dark horse in this one, he could break it wide open with his speed. I think we should use him a lot.
[/quote]

I don't really agree with you on the tight end comments. Heap (while still good) isn't the player he once was. Don't get me wrong, I still love having him on the team, but he's not the major threat in the passing game he was. Pitta and Dickson have yet to even play a professional game. Sure, they have tremendous potential and upside, but they may need some time to adjust to the professional level. If so, they won't make a huge impact in a week one game. Lastly, I think you're selling the Jets linebackers short. I can't stand the Jets, but Pace, Harris, and Scott (I forgot their other outside linebacker's name) are a solid linebacking corps.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Pitta or Dickson will have to re-adjust for sure. I'm just saying that sometimes rookies don't have big games from week one, so there's always a chance that they aren't going to make the big impact you expect them to right from the start.

[Twoo]

As I've said numerous times... the Jets are going to get blown out of the water and exposed for what they REALLY are. Nobodies. Sure, their defense is top notch- but their offense is going to fold like a lawn chair. Sanchez is going to throw 2 interceptions and be sacked at least 5 times.

[twilightraven2723]

revis has locked down great wideouts in this league. i wonder if he can cover anquan boldin. anquan is a great route runner with excellent hands and is very hard to tackle. i think revis will have trouble with him.

[Alexir]

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[Romo Ravens]

It'll be tough to see how it plays out, but I think the most important player for our team on that day will be Donte'. In order to drive down the field and make huge plays, we need to attack them deep. Not only that, but our TE's will be very important, seeing as NY only has average LB's. Stallworth's speed mixed with Flacco's arm should do wonders, and will hopefully stretch the Safeties out while we give it to Rice/McGahee/McClain.

Rice needs to get it 20+ times. I know everyone is eager to test our pass game, but this is a Jets defense that will give Flacco a headache, and the last thing I want to hear is how Flacco will surely suck next season because of a mediocre game against NY. Boldin will be tested, but his physicality will enable him to slide past whoever is on him. I have a feeling we will pull a late 80's early 90's 9ers concept where we will throw quick slants and a lot of come backs.

I'm pumped about this game lol. Monday night, all of my friends doubting the Ravens, I'll leave school early to watch pre-game analysis, can't wait.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Twoo' date='14 June 2010 - 01:40 PM' timestamp='1276537224' post='421693']
As I've said numerous times... the Jets are going to get blown out of the water and exposed for what they REALLY are. Nobodies. Sure, their defense is top notch- but their offense is going to fold like a lawn chair. Sanchez is going to throw 2 interceptions and be sacked at least 5 times.
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I hope you're right. I'd love to see that from the stands. Must....keep....mouth....shut..... (I've gotten pretty loud at Dolphins/Ravens games)

[H8R]

[quote name='CustomUserName' date='05 June 2010 - 07:06 AM' timestamp='1275735962' post='418201']
I don't care about those match ups. Will they affect the game, obviously, but I think the most important match up to watch in this game is whether or not we can pressure Sanchez.

Will we be able to run the ball on them, it will be difficult. Rice is an elite RB,[b] but they had the best run defense last year, and no reason to believe they will have a drop off.[/b]
Will they be able to run on us, it will be difficult. Any RB that has to run against Baltimore has to find a way to make it past Cody, Ngata, Gregg, and Pryce, then if they manage to do that, they have earned the right to be face to face with Lewis, Suggs, and JJ. Ouch.

Flacco is better than Sanchez and I believe we have the better and more cohesive receiving corp, however the Jets have Revis and Cromartie, and say what you will about Cromartie, but if anyone can bring out his full potential, its Rex Ryan.

Sooooooo, all that said, the two teams are pretty even (hey it comes when two of the stoutest defenses in the league play each other), BUT if we can get pressure, expect 20 pick Sanchez to make some costly mistakes, also if we get pressure on him, I believe it will be representative of our play for the rest of the season.
[/quote]


They didn't have the best run defense last year, where did you get this from?

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='02 June 2010 - 10:24 PM' timestamp='1275531853' post='417097']
Just a thought about Ravens game plan in the season opener against Jets. It could become a game of who matches against who, and could decide outcome of this game.
Who would have the best chance of being the star in this game?

1) WR1 Boldin x CB1 Reevis even

2) WR2 Mason x CB2 Cromartie even

3) WR3 Stallworth x ??? Ravens

4) RB Rice x Scott/Harris Ravens

5) TE Heap/Dickson/Pitta x any NYJ LB's Ravens

I say we will see heavy douse of Rice and TE's, with occasional pass to Boldin and Mason. Stallworth could be a dark horse in this one, he could break it wide open with his speed. I think we should use him a lot.

[/quote]

Fair question. But ummm, you seem a tad biased.

First of all, how in the world do you give the "edge" or "advantage" to Heap and two rookie tight ends who have never played... over Scott and Harris?

Secondly... Kris Jenkins is back. So whoever is running for the Ravens will have to get by him first. I think this is more a battle of the Ravens really good offensive line against the Jets really good front 7.

And Jim Leonard is backing up those linebackers and those two great corners. Don't forget what kind of impact he can have on a game.

Third... one match-up you completely forgot to mention is Flacco against Rex Ryan. Flacco hasn't yet shown he recognizes what protections to call out or what audibles to call when and if he recognizes a blitz. Rex Ryan is one of the greatest defensive coordinators AND he will have a personal grudge against the Ravens for passing over him for head coach.

And it can't be overlooked that this game is the Jets very first regular season game in their new stadium. It's the Monday Night season opener for the entire NFL season. And the Jets will want to prove they are 50/50 owners of the stadium, and not just an afterthought renting the field from the big brother Giants.

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The Ravens have one HUGE advantage in this game. And that is the fact that Santonio Holmes(aka: Ravens Killer) will not be allowed to play in this game. If he was... it could be an even longer night for the Ravens corners. So now they'll only need to worry about Braylon, who we can hope hasn't remembered how to catch, Cotchery and their tight end whose name I can't remember.

The Jets running backs are not intimidating at all. If the Ravens can get pressure on the QB, they should be able to shut down the Jets offense. But I have afeeling the Jets defense will be doing the same thing to the Ravens offense.

Battle of special teams is what it's looking like to me. And then Tuesday Morning we'll get to hear all the rest of the NFL fans complain the Ravens and Jets shouldn't be on national TV because they don't score points, blah blah blah, etc.

[BmoreSports09]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='02 June 2010 - 09:24 PM' timestamp='1275531853' post='417097']
Just a thought about Ravens game plan in the season opener against Jets. It could become a game of who matches against who, and could decide outcome of this game.
Who would have the best chance of being the star in this game?

1) WR1 Boldin x CB1 Reevis even

2) WR2 Mason x CB2 Cromartie even

3) WR3 Stallworth x ??? Ravens

4) RB Rice x Scott/Harris Ravens

5) TE Heap/Dickson/Pitta x any NYJ LB's Ravens

I say we will see heavy douse of Rice and TE's, with occasional pass to Boldin and Mason. Stallworth could be a dark horse in this one, he could break it wide open with his speed. I think we should use him a lot.

[/quote]

I have to say you are biased in these matchups in my opinion. Here is my take.

Boldin vs Revis ADV JETS
Mason vs Cromartie EVEN
Stallworth vs Kyle Wilson UNKNOWN
Rice vs Scott/Harris EVEN, maybe SLIGHT ADV to RAVENS
Heap/Dickson/Pitta vs Jets LBs ADV JETS

I do however agree that Stallworth's play could be the determining factor in this game. I think we will be great this season, but I'm pickin the Jets in this one, 20-19.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='BmoreSports09' date='14 June 2010 - 12:10 PM' timestamp='1276546209' post='421741']
I have to say you are biased in these matchups in my opinion. Here is my take.

Boldin vs Revis ADV JETS
Mason vs Cromartie EVEN
Stallworth vs Kyle Wilson UNKNOWN
Rice vs Scott/Harris EVEN, maybe SLIGHT ADV to RAVENS
Heap/Dickson/Pitta vs Jets LBs ADV JETS

I do however agree that Stallworth's play could be the determining factor in this game. I think we will be great this season, but I'm pickin the Jets in this one, 20-19.
[/quote]

Lol it's better to biased when you're a Ravens fan. His points are actually valid. Boldin should out-muscle any DB, yes, even Darrelle. Mason might not have speed anymore, but he should use his route-running to run circles around Cromartie. How is Stallworth vs. Wilson unknown? What is unknown is Kyle Wilson, so you have to give the advantage to Donte'. Rice against LB's shouldn't even be a key matchup. More like Rice against the Jet's defensive line, in which you have to give the edge to the Jets. But if Rice see's a lot of passes in the flats, [i]then[/i] that's where you can give Rice the advantage, seeing that he should easily burn Scott/Harris.

It seems like you're not giving Baltimore the credit they deserve, then you pick the Jets to win?

Hello, Mark Sanchez, is that you?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='14 June 2010 - 03:48 PM' timestamp='1276544891' post='421737']
Fair question. But ummm, you seem a tad biased.

First of all, how in the world do you give the "edge" or "advantage" to Heap and two rookie tight ends who have never played... over Scott and Harris?

Secondly... Kris Jenkins is back. So whoever is running for the Ravens will have to get by him first. I think this is more a battle of the Ravens really good offensive line against the Jets really good front 7.

And Jim Leonard is backing up those linebackers and those two great corners. Don't forget what kind of impact he can have on a game.

Third... one match-up you completely forgot to mention is Flacco against Rex Ryan. Flacco hasn't yet shown he recognizes what protections to call out or what audibles to call when and if he recognizes a blitz. Rex Ryan is one of the greatest defensive coordinators AND he will have a personal grudge against the Ravens for passing over him for head coach.
[/quote]

It seems unlikely two back-up rookie TEs could make an impact their first game but Harris and especially Scott aren't good in coverage. Plus, both Pitta and Dickson have the athleticism to stretch the seam.

Jenkins is obviously a top-flight NT but he's coming off an ACL tear.We'll see how he does.

Leonhard ALWAYS seems to be involved in big plays but he doesn't always make the small. He can be attacked.

Joe will definitely need to do his homework to fair well against Rex's schemes but dump-offs, screens and crossing routes are effective against blitzes and the Ravens have two players in Rice and Q that can do big things with the ball in their hands.

[CustomUserName]

[quote name='H8R' date='14 June 2010 - 03:46 PM' timestamp='1276544815' post='421736']
They didn't have the best run defense last year, where did you get this from?
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My fault, I thought they did, I knew they had best passing and overall defense, so I figured (incorrectly) they had the best run defense too, but seeing as how they gave up just under 100 yards per game, I think Rice can have a big game.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='CustomUserName' date='14 June 2010 - 05:06 PM' timestamp='1276549575' post='421754']
My fault, I thought they did, I knew they had best passing and overall defense, so I figured (incorrectly) they had the best run defense too, but seeing as how they gave up just under 100 yards per game, I think Rice can have a big game.
[/quote]

And that is a misconception shared by many Jets fans and other Jets bandwagoners. In fact, the Ravens had a better rush defense last season, and our d-line is now ridiculously deep. Ray Rice will be a big factor in this game, and we'll shut down the run as usual and force Sanchez to operate without play action.

[FerrariFan87]

Boldin v. Revis is intriguing, but I suspect Cam is going to move Boldin around a lot to give him room to maneuver across the middle, etc. and get away from Revis. I expect big numbers from Q.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' date='14 June 2010 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1276552925' post='421764']
And that is a misconception shared by many Jets fans and other Jets bandwagoners. In fact, the Ravens had a better rush defense last season, and our d-line is now ridiculously deep. Ray Rice will be a big factor in this game, and we'll shut down the run as usual and force Sanchez to operate without play action.
[/quote]
and that is when I'll be laughing seeing Sanchez have to beat us in the air

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='14 June 2010 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1276553622' post='421768']
and that is when I'll be laughing seeing Sanchez have to beat us in the air
[/quote]

I'll take those odds any day. Flacco, on the other hand, will have plenty of offensive weapons and a great running game to carry some of the load. Ravens fans know about being offensively shut down. When Holmes comes back, that will make a big difference for Sanchez. I still can't believe they traded Holmes for a 5th round pick to a receiver needy AFC contender, one they'll be playing late in the season. Great job Steelers.

[codizzle]

flacco vs sanchez.. thats why we will win

[Ed_Reed20]

Guys, I hate to say this but the seeming belief that Sanchez will be the same guy who chucked 20 INTs in next season's opener isn't realistic.

The guy had a gimpy knee in the play-offs and played pretty well for a rookie.

I could very well see the Ravens picking off some passes and maybe getting to him(the Jets have a great o-line)but don't be surprised if he completes some passes and scores a TD or two.

With all that said, I think the Ravens will win and Sanchez will struggle.

[hawkprey]

We had the best run defense last year. (I go by yards/attempt, not yards/game. It's a far better measure of efficiency.) This year our run D will be lights out the addition of Cody and experience under Mattinson. Anyway, the main point is we're not going to lose. Our D is solid and our O is threatening. We're better than the Jets in every statistical category except pass D, of which we're not far off anymore. Jets are a weak, inconsistent and LUCKY team that is going to be put in its place come opening night.

[BmoreSports09]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='14 June 2010 - 03:17 PM' timestamp='1276546651' post='421744']
Lol it's better to biased when you're a Ravens fan. His points are actually valid. Boldin should out-muscle any DB, yes, even Darrelle. Mason might not have speed anymore, but he should use his route-running to run circles around Cromartie. How is Stallworth vs. Wilson unknown? What is unknown is Kyle Wilson, so you have to give the advantage to Donte'. Rice against LB's shouldn't even be a key matchup. More like Rice against the Jet's defensive line, in which you have to give the edge to the Jets. But if Rice see's a lot of passes in the flats, [i]then[/i] that's where you can give Rice the advantage, seeing that he should easily burn Scott/Harris.

It seems like you're not giving Baltimore the credit they deserve, then you pick the Jets to win?

Hello, Mark Sanchez, is that you?
[/quote]

People are not giving enough respect to the Jets. We are not going to go undefeated, and I think this is a game we could lose. I also think we Ravens fans overrate Stallworth. I personally have no reason to believe yet that he is any better than Mark Clayton. It's not unrealistic that Clayton could beat him out of the 3rd receiver spot, not saying it will definitely happen but it could. We don't know what to expect from Stallworth, he's been out of football for a year and he was never amazing to begin with, whereas Kyle Wilson, although he's a rookie is very highly regarded. Believe me, I'm a Ravens fan and I hope we win, but I'm offering an alternate, unbiased outlook of the game. The Jets under Rex Ryan are probably the best defense in the NFL, with us as a close second.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='BmoreSports09' date='14 June 2010 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1276572504' post='421839']
People are not giving enough respect to the Jets. We are not going to go undefeated, and I think this is a game we could lose. I also think we Ravens fans overrate Stallworth. I personally have no reason to believe yet that he is any better than Mark Clayton. It's not unrealistic that Clayton could beat him out of the 3rd receiver spot, not saying it will definitely happen but it could. We don't know what to expect from Stallworth, he's been out of football for a year and he was never amazing to begin with, whereas Kyle Wilson, although he's a rookie is very highly regarded. Believe me, I'm a Ravens fan and I hope we win, but I'm offering an alternate, unbiased outlook of the game. The Jets under Rex Ryan are probably the best defense in the NFL, with us as a close second.
[/quote]

The Jets are definitely worthy of respect, but what does our record, or going undefeated, have to do with that? We can win or lose any game on the schedule. I don't think anyone is really saying, "This game is a lock!" It seems people are measuring up the game as it approaches.

Everyone's outlook is biased, by the way.