[Blogs] Late For Work 6/4: Walker: NFL Or Bust!

[wrm#1]

here we go with these comparisons again-CARSON vs FLACCO,this is getting ridiculous.just to play DEVILS ADVOCATE,can anyone tell me the last time a QB went onto the field,while the other 10 offensive players stood on the sideline,and scored a TD,sounds kind of off the wall don't it,so PALMER,throws these passes then,he catches those passes and runs them in for a TD[same with FLACCO],all while their teammates are happyly cheering from the sidelines.when your comparing QBs,you have to take in many factors,but it would still be difficult to remain objective.PALMER has been around for sometimes now ,surely more then 2yrs,and your comparing him to FLACCO,does that make sense.ok,let me ask you this;if they they were some how able to switch teams,even for the 2yrs that FLACCO has been in the league;how do you think they would have comparatively done?I'm JUST SAYING!!

[shuga ray 52]

do yall think we should completly write off walker,dont get me wrong way to many pi calls but, this kids got great potential as a nickel for how physical he is the boy can lay on a hit now,he also would help against run support a lil better than carr also!

[ken_j]

I believe Flacco is better than Palmer on the deep throws, they are about even on the out routes, Palmer is better on intermediate and short routes, especially between the hash marks.Palmer, at this point, makes better reads and decisions under pressure. So, I would say Palmer is better right now but Flacco has a much greater upside. I also disagree that Palmer is an elite quarterback equal to or better than Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. I would put Carson in the category with Aaron Rogers, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning and Tony Romo. Flacco may be on the cusp of that group but I think we have to see what he does this year with the improved receiving and tightend corp.

[HuttoRaven]

Carr is a better coverage corner in the slot than Walker and Frank also has major issues covering downfield. He does have some good efficiency of breaking up the pass so his body control is good but anticipation is lacking. Either way you slice it, Carr is a better player due to return ability and stability in the nickel. I think we should keep Frank Walker until Webb and Washington are 100%.

[wtrent1]

@ J.O.14

Are you serious? "Example Pittsburgh. He got crushed" Good one. And being the 13th rated passer isn't something to strive for. The next 5 QBs he beat by his QB rating were Kyle Orton (14), Jason Campbell, Carson Palmer, David Garrard, and Vince Young. Great job..... Campbell is in OAK now and Garrard/Orton have 1 more year where they are at before they're gone. Young is hit or miss right now and Palmer is not what he used to be.

[ThRaShMeTaLRaVeN]

I'm not worried about comparing Joe and Carson... The problem I have is Red McDaniel's argument. Well, part of it. "No weapons" Did he say that with a straight face? Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmensazda(no idea how to spell that), and Chris Henry. Now with Bryant, and Shippley... The only excuse I'll take on Carson Palmer was his knee injury.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wtrent1' date='04 June 2010 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1275682443' post='417920']
@ J.O.14

Are you serious? "Example Pittsburgh. He got crushed" Good one. [b]And being the 13th rated passer isn't something to strive for.[/b] The next 5 QBs he beat by his QB rating were Kyle Orton (14), Jason Campbell, Carson Palmer, David Garrard, and Vince Young. Great job..... Campbell is in OAK now and Garrard/Orton have 1 more year where they are at before they're gone. Young is hit or miss right now and Palmer is not what he used to be. So I believe it is YOU who are the moron and should refrain from posting anything unless you have some sort of credibility behind your arguement instead of your knucklehead opinion.
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No one strives to be the 13th best-rated passer. Fact is, as Joe pointed out himself, he was on pace to throw for over 5000 yards before getting hurt against Minnesota. The man has all the talent in the world and has flashed elite QB ability numerous times during his short careers. It irks me when irrationals fans want to tear him down because he hasn't mastered every subtle nuance of the position after his second season.

Seriously, either be patient or become a fan of another team. Elite QBs don't develop overnight but Joe hasn't certainly show he's on the way.

[wtrent1]

@ Ed_Reed20

Problem is he will never develop to an "elite" QB. He has flashed nothing. He has an uncanny ability to throw the check down pass to Ray Rice? Hey, he had a sweet 7 yard scramble against NE right? It irks me when idiot fans jump on the Flacco bandwagon like he's the second coming of Johnny U. If he was so good, why did he transfer from PITT? He couldn't beat out Tyler Palko. If he was such a great leader, why wasn't he captain his senior year at Delaware. If he was such a great player, why did Suggs call him out? Nobody is 100% at the end of a season so the deep hip bruise or whatever has no credibility. Flacco is a mediocre QB on a good day. Ed_Reed20 you were probably jumping for joy when we drafted Boller too!

[J.O.14]

wtrent1 yeah he doesnt strive to be the 13th best passer, but we are also a running team. and if he was so bad, he had a chance to go the the Pro bowl but he didnt because of his hip. Yeah he needs to improve, but you act like he is terrible dude. Hes better than palmer and better than a lot of startig QBs in the league. He would start for a lot of other teams around this league also. yeha he throws a lot of check downs, but if ray rice was my running back i would throw a lot of check downs to, especially since mason was the only reciever he had. He will be better this year and will have a big year if healthy, i thik you need to find another team also man, since you dont do anything but bash your team. And another question, since hes so bad, Who else would you want to be our QB, Troy Smith? If Smith was better than flacco i believe he would be the starter

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wtrent1' date='04 June 2010 - 04:31 PM' timestamp='1275683501' post='417927']
@ Ed_Reed20

Problem is he will never develop to an "elite" QB. He has flashed nothing. He has an uncanny ability to throw the check down pass to Ray Rice? Hey, he had a sweet 7 yard scramble against NE right? It irks me when idiot fans jump on the Flacco bandwagon like he's the second coming of Johnny U. If he was so good, why did he transfer from PITT? He couldn't beat out Tyler Palko. If he was such a great leader, why wasn't he captain his senior year at Delaware. If he was such a great player, why did Suggs call him out? Nobody is 100% at the end of a season so the deep hip bruise or whatever has no credibility. Flacco is a mediocre QB on a good day. Ed_Reed20 you were probably jumping for joy when we drafted Boller too!
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Wow. Where to start.

First of all, you have zero idea what he'll develop into. No one does. However, considering guys who have followed football longer than you and have access to more video than you have all said he has a bright future and what he himself has done on the field, I see him developing into an elite QB. The check-downs to Rice last year weren't all by design. When the best WR you have mostly gets open on comebacks and curls, you can't have an explosive downfield passing game. Him not being able to beat out Tyler Palko has nothing to do with anything. When did Suggs call him out? And even if he did, what good QB hasn't been called out?

You saying his hip bruise and other injuries having "no credibility" proves your ignorance. Numerous team insiders saw the injury first-hand and anyone who watched the games all season could see Joe hobbling after Week 6.

I only became a Ravens fan in 2005 so I knew nothing of Boller.

And to you saying he hasn't flashed anything, I present this video:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pXd1XTg0aE[/media]

[J.O.14]

Well said Ed_Reed20.

[Dudeman]

Wtrent1 do you have anything useful to add or do you just like trying to stir people up on forums? Do us all a favor and go back to posting on the Worthlessburger fan club website will you?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='J.O.14' date='04 June 2010 - 04:52 PM' timestamp='1275684745' post='417937']
Well said Ed_Reed20.
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Thank you sir.

[kadbron27]

1. wtrent1 is an absolute idiot, why argue with stupid people...really.
2. see no. 1

[wtrent1]

Okay, these so called "experts" were the same ones predicting Russell, Carr, Couch, etc. to be elite QBs however they were wrong. There are also other "experts" watching "film" who say he's the most overrated QB in the NFL. So what's your point?

Not beating out Tyler Palko is embarassing. Palko was Free Agent or 7th round pick or something. He actually was the 3rd QB ending on Pittsburgh's roster this year. If he was such an elite QB he should have stayed and beaten out Palko at Pitt, not transfer to 1AA Delaware. That's who I want on my team!

The hip bruise was in week 6! All QBs play hurt. I didn't hear Tom Brady crying all season about his injuries. It was an excuse for his poor play. What about week 5 against Cinn? He played terrible and that was pre-injury so again, what's your point?

Suggs called out Flacco, and Harbough actually made a "Suggs Package" with Smith on the field. Smith will NEVER be given a chance to start as 1st round picks play regardless.

From the Baltimore Sun and PFT:
In a recent interview with an Atlanta radio station, linebacker Terrell Suggs said twice that Troy Smith should be the Ravens' starting quarterback over Joe Flacco.

"Right now, I think [Flacco is] all right," Suggs told 2 Live Stews, a nationally syndicated radio show that is not aired in Baltimore. "But like I said, in the end, Troy should be the starter [because he's] the better man for the job."Suggs added: "[Flacco] started out hot ... We played two teams who were in the bottom of the league in defense. So, everybody was going all crazy about him."

Some fan you are.

[wtrent1]

@ J.O.14. David Garrad played in the Pro Bowl, come'on now.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wtrent1' date='04 June 2010 - 05:17 PM' timestamp='1275686252' post='417955']
Okay, these so called "experts" were the same ones predicting Russell, Carr, Couch, etc. to be elite QBs however they were wrong. There are also other "experts" watching "film" who say he's the most overrated QB in the NFL. So what's your point?

Not beating out Tyler Palko is embarassing. Palko was Free Agent or 7th round pick or something. He actually was the 3rd QB ending on Pittsburgh's roster this year. If he was such an elite QB he should have stayed and beaten out Palko at Pitt, not transfer to 1AA Delaware. That's who I want on my team!

The hip bruise was in week 6! All QBs play hurt. I didn't hear Tom Brady crying all season about his injuries. It was an excuse for his poor play. What about week 5 against Cinn? He played terrible and that was pre-injury so again, what's your point?

Suggs called out Flacco, and Harbough actually made a "Suggs Package" with Smith on the field. Smith will NEVER be given a chance to start as 1st round picks play regardless.

From the Baltimore Sun and PFT:
In a recent interview with an Atlanta radio station, linebacker Terrell Suggs said twice that Troy Smith should be the Ravens' starting quarterback over Joe Flacco.

"Right now, I think [Flacco is] all right," Suggs told 2 Live Stews, a nationally syndicated radio show that is not aired in Baltimore. "But like I said, in the end, Troy should be the starter [because he's] the better man for the job."Suggs added: "[Flacco] started out hot ... We played two teams who were in the bottom of the league in defense. So, everybody was going all crazy about him."

Some fan you are.
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For all the QBs that the "experts" were wrong about, there have been numerous others that the "experts" were right about. Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers to name a few.

Talking specifically with the three you named that were busts, the reasons for their lack of success were all obvious and don't apply to Joe. Joe isn't the lazy bum Russell is and he hasn't got the snot beat out him like Carr or Couch did.

Why in the heck are you hung up on what Flacco did at Pitt? Tom Brady couldn't beat out Brian Griese his first two seasons. What does that say about him? See the stupidity of your argument?

Suggs didn't call out Joe. He said he felt Troy should have been the starter. That was Joe's rookie year. I honestly wonder if Suggs would say the same thing now. But really, who cares? Does a the opinion of one teammate really matter when the coaches are the ones who see Joe's every move in practice and the games and analyze them? I think not.

[wtrent1]

First of all you have got to tell me how you do the reply message thing.


Secondly, Brady started at Michigan. That's a slight step up from Delaware. Big difference, and he didn't transfer to Towson University at the first sign of difficulty. But we're getting off topic here.

And the point of the 3 QBs names I rattled off were of no significance. I was just saying the "experts" are wrong just as much as they are right and some think he stinks.

Suggs did call out Joe. And no he wouldn't make that same mistake again as it doesn't do the team any good to call out a specific player, especially the QB. Everyone outside of Baltimore think's he is overrated. The coaches invested a 1st round pick in him and by god he will play regardless of whether he's good or not. I'm actually interested in the excuses that will come this year after his play is stagnant.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wtrent1' date='04 June 2010 - 05:40 PM' timestamp='1275687657' post='417973']
First of all you have got to tell me how you do the reply message thing.


Secondly, Brady started at Michigan. That's a slight step up from Delaware. Big difference, and he didn't transfer to Towson University at the first sign of difficulty. But we're getting off topic here.

And the point of the 3 QBs names I rattled off were of no significance. I was just saying the "experts" are wrong just as much as they are right and some think he stinks.

Suggs did call out Joe. And no he wouldn't make that same mistake again as it doesn't do the team any good to call out a specific player, especially the QB. Everyone outside of Baltimore think's he is overrated. The coaches invested a 1st round pick in him and by god he will play regardless of whether he's good or not. I'm actually interested in the excuses that will come this year after his play is stagnant.
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Simply click "reply" tab on the bottom right hand corner of a message to quote it.

Can you find me an "expert" that he stinks or won't be a good QB down the road?

Even if everyone outside of Baltimore thinks he's overrated, who gives a damn?! People will have their opinions, you certainly have yours. All I do is make conclusions based on what I see on the field. Yes, Joe has had his struggles, specifically in the play-offs but his physical tools, work ethic and moments of brilliance suggest he can be as good as guys like Rivers, Rodgers and Roethlisberger in a year or two.

[Johnny5]

Is wtrent1 even a Ravens fan? Dude, go comment on your own crappy team's QB. If Palmer is so much better than Flacco then why were Flacco's stats a little better than Palmer's? Palmer had a decent Oline and D this past season so why didn't he take his team farther? Also, I've seen Brady and Manning do what Palmer hasn't on years that they have mediocre OLs and mediocre Ds so what is Palmer's excuse? Palmer had way better weapons in the passing game than Flacco did and he still didn't do what Flacco did. Not only that Flacco won one more playoff game than Palmer did this past season. And after Brady had his ACL torn he cried to every ref for a flag when he would bearly even get bumped so don't start talking about how tough Flacco is. And one more thing to add to your stupid comments, Garrard and Young only went to the Pro Bowl cause other players were hurt or were playing in the Super Bowl and Campbell didn't even qualify for the Pro Bowl.

[DrMoonTooth]

wtrent1, what is your problem? Stop trolling on these forums and go become a fan of some other team, because your inflammatory opinions of Flacco hold no water and are not wanted here.

[BoominRaven]

[quote name='wtrent1' date='04 June 2010 - 04:17 PM' timestamp='1275686252' post='417955']
Okay, these so called "experts" were the same ones predicting Russell, Carr, Couch, etc. to be elite QBs however they were wrong. There are also other "experts" watching "film" who say he's the most overrated QB in the NFL. So what's your point?

Not beating out Tyler Palko is embarassing. Palko was Free Agent or 7th round pick or something. He actually was the 3rd QB ending on Pittsburgh's roster this year. If he was such an elite QB he should have stayed and beaten out Palko at Pitt, not transfer to 1AA Delaware. That's who I want on my team!

The hip bruise was in week 6! All QBs play hurt. I didn't hear Tom Brady crying all season about his injuries. It was an excuse for his poor play. What about week 5 against Cinn? He played terrible and that was pre-injury so again, what's your point?

Suggs called out Flacco, and Harbough actually made a "Suggs Package" with Smith on the field. Smith will NEVER be given a chance to start as 1st round picks play regardless.

From the Baltimore Sun and PFT:
In a recent interview with an Atlanta radio station, linebacker Terrell Suggs said twice that Troy Smith should be the Ravens' starting quarterback over Joe Flacco.

"Right now, I think [Flacco is] all right," Suggs told 2 Live Stews, a nationally syndicated radio show that is not aired in Baltimore. "But like I said, in the end, Troy should be the starter [because he's] the better man for the job."Suggs added: "[Flacco] started out hot ... We played two teams who were in the bottom of the league in defense. So, everybody was going all crazy about him."

Some fan you are.
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1. The 'experts' about couch, russell, etc were all talking about them in COLLEGE. Once they were in the league they showed very early why they were busts, they didn't take a team to the playoffs their first two years, hell they never did. So don't put a winning QB in that same category.

2. Beating out Palko. You obviously have no idea how the politics of college football works, and just assume the best play every saturday. The players with the scholarships are going to play, and if a coach has faith in their quarterback they aren't going to take him out even if his backup is better, obviously joe made the right career move because he wasn't ever going to get a chance at pitt unless palko got hurt, and look where he is now.

3. He never complained about the hip injury ONCE. analysts started to bring it up as it became more obvious, but he stuck to it and wanted to be the guy. You can't blame him for the colts losses, regular season cundiff missed a very makeable kick that wouldn't have required that last drive and in the playoffs there were so many factors, penalties every time we made a big play, fumbled interceptions, ray rice fumbled, and those 3 minutes before the half where the defense fell apart and allowed 14 of the 20 points.

4. I don't really thing Suggs had ANY room to talk after the season he put in last year. And i'm pretty sure after seeing the toughness flacco portrayed he's playing a different tune.

so SOME FAN YOU ARE - if you really are a ravens fan, you should back your qb not come on here with irrelevant facts. you said previously we need a game manager, that's what we have. except he's a game manager that can make all of the throws, refer to the previous video posted by edreed20 to see for yourself, he made plays under pressure, dump offs, long balls, intermediate throws, the guy is no Boller and it's an insult you even put them in the same category.

[dmm1976]

They both had one receiver Flacco had 3 playoff wins... Palmer had how many????? Ozie got him the weapons we need... SUPER BOWL BOUND!

[darklight1216]

Remember, it is fine to disagree with someone's opinion, but personal attacks are not allowed.

Also, as difficult as it may be:

(This applies to [i]everyone[/i].)

[kleberm]

Frank Walker plays like a raven, has a heart of a Giant, and a damn good skill set. He comes up big in big games. Like all corners, he has issues. He can't be asking for a big contract. Stop the BS and sign the man. Hell, I'll put up 50% of his salary to get him back on the team. Just get it done!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='kleberm' date='04 June 2010 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1275702294' post='418070']
Frank Walker plays like a raven, has a heart of a Giant, and a damn good skill set. He comes up big in big games. Like all corners, he has issues. He can't be asking for a big contract. Stop the BS and sign the man. Hell, I'll put up 50% of his salary to get him back on the team. Just get it done!
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It won't happen. Travis Fisher was signed to replace him.

[BoominRaven]

nah.. frank was a great special teamer but he's had his share of chances at corner

[David H]

Hey kleberm, if you think Walker was good, I want whatever your smoking dude. If you were any kind of a Raven fan, you would be happy he's gone. Not praising his terrible play. Get in the game bud.


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[kleberm]

I guess you missed the last two years of playoff games. Yeah, I guess Travis Fisher and Chris Carr are the answer against Peyton Manning. Good luck guys.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='kleberm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:07 PM' timestamp='1275703673' post='418083']
I guess you missed the last two years of playoff games. Yeah, I guess Travis Fisher and Chris Carr are the answer against Peyton Manning. Good luck guys.
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No one ever said they were. If things FINALLY go the Ravens way and the DBs aren't decimated by injuries, the team won't have to rely on Fisher or Carr in the play-offs.