[Blogs] Late For Work 6/4: Walker: NFL Or Bust!

[philly_raven]

Quarterbacks drafted in the 1st round since 2005: Jason Campbell, A Rodgers, Alex Smith, Jay Cutler, Matt Leinart, V. Young, Brady Quinn, Jamarcus Russell, Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez, Stafford, Matt Ryan.

Other than Rodgers, Flacco is better than any QB on that list. Enough hating.

[wtrent1]

@ bmorecareful30 - It's you're weak not your weak and yes he does have a strong arm. What's your point? I agree.

@ feather28 - Actually they do have credibility as I've noted his playoff statistics in relation to his games started. Ray Rice led the team in receptions (dump off passes). People bash Mason but he had over 1,000 yds receiving.

[philly_raven]

I guess you're running out of arguments when you have to start correcting grammar on other posts. I'm usually pretty open to arguments, but I must say, yours is very weak. If Flacco is so bad, I hear the Browns are usually pretty solid at QB. Go root for them

[Ed_Reed20]

Wtrent1, it's easy to bring up Flacco's play-off statistics and make of them what you will. However, if you dig deeper and analyze the talent around Joe, the situations he was put in and his level of experience, I don't see how you could call him "terrible".

Regardless, the organization is building around him and he looks poised to continue his development and that's all that matters.

[feather28]

@wtrent1 - where your argument lacks credibility is comparing all of his statistics to any other quarterback in their first two seasons. Flacco has exceeded everyone's expectations this far into his career.

[RaK427]

I wouldn't pick walker for a backyard football team, bust.

[RavensFanThick&Thin]

Wtrent1, you wouldn't happen to be from Kentucky would you? lol

Either you just hate Flacco for some reason or you're just trying to get a rise out of people playing the forum anti-christ or something. I won't say he is the best but saying he sucks is way overboard. The general concensus on him over his two year span and progress is pretty good and plenty of teams would love to have him. If he sucks so bad who would you suggest be his replacement, because you really can't be dis-pleased this much about who is playing QB unless you have some argument or strategy as to who we should have gotten or drafted instead of him. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but ending arguments with he sucks because of some errand playoff appearances is quite enough. Do you think Peyton Manning sucks based on his first two years? I would think you have to since his rookie season was worse. If anything I am pleased with Flacco's progress and dedication. Do you at least give him credit for that, many NFL EXPERTS do.

[RavensFanThick&Thin]

*not quite enough

[OrganizedChaos2052]

I guess Frank Walker wants to be a bust...

And on the Palmer vs. Flacco debate: Palmer has the worst arm I've ever seen. He single handedly lost Cinci that playoff game because he couldn't throw the ball in the cold and he was just aweful. The only thing Joe has against him is that he is young! He has the arm, he has the accuracy, he has the smarts, and now he has the best QB coach in the game!

[BoominRaven]

to the guy from kentucky bagging on flacco, 3 playoff wins in two years.. how many playoff games has palmer won...? oh that's right... and lack of weapons? hear i thought chad JOHNSON (i refuse to call him by ocho w/e) was supposed to be a stud #1 receiver... change of tune much? and frank walker should probably jump on that UFL position cuz i can't think of anybody else who'd want him to play at the NFL level

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I believe in Joe Flacco, I believe the guy has natural talent and ability. However, now we have given him so many more targets to aim for, I think this is the season where he steps forward and disproves his critics. The worst scenario now is that he proves that he is an average QB who cannot take the step to being elite. (But like I say, I believe the first will be true)

[jravens13]

people hate on frank walker so much, its hilarious... I don't think he is as bad as everyone says he is. He is definitely a back-up, but I would rather see Frank cover a No. 1 or No. 2 WR over Chris Carr. He has good size and plays physical, I don't think he's that bad against the bigger WR's. We gotta get a CB soon though, cause we need a CB to cover the Slot.

[MrJangles23]

frank walker cant cover anyone w out being flagged. he is a great open field tackler so y not ty his hand at safety or maybe linebacker?

[wtrent1]

@RavensFanThick&Thin

No, I'm not from Kentucky. Honestly, I think a veteran free agent QB should have been brought it to compete with Flacco. The Ravens don't need a Franchise QB like Manning or Brady to win, they need a game manager who can make a play or two a game when called on. I think they should have made a move for someone like Chad Pennington. He has durability issues and doesn't have nearly the arm strength of Flacco but if put in the right system he can win it all (Trent Dilfer). That's just one example. Flacco is simply a glorified Vinny Testaverde. And you can't always rely on what NFL "experts" say. I can always google what the NFL experts were saying about Kyle Boller and Jamarcus Russell coming out of college and how nicely Byron Leftwhich was progressing in Jacksonville his first two seasons....

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wtrent1' date='04 June 2010 - 12:21 PM' timestamp='1275668501' post='417753']
@RavensFanThick&Thin

No, I'm not from Kentucky. Honestly, I think a veteran free agent QB should have been brought it to compete with Flacco. The Ravens don't need a Franchise QB like Manning or Brady to win, they need a game manager who can make a play or two a game when called on. I think they should have made a move for someone like Chad Pennington. He has durability issues and doesn't have nearly the arm strength of Flacco but if put in the right system he can win it all (Trent Dilfer). That's just one example. [b]Flacco is simply a glorified Vinny Testaverde.[/b] And you can't always rely on what NFL "experts" say. I can always google what the NFL experts were saying about Kyle Boller and Jamarcus Russell coming out of college and how nicely Byron Leftwhich was progressing in Jacksonville his first two seasons....
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And you can make that claim after only two seasons? Seriously man, you're entitled to your opinions but they're pretty extreme.

[NYravens52]

yea i think walker would be better at strong safety, i mean look at taylor mays, cant cover for heck but a physical guy

[PriceClub!]

The whole walker this is dead he's a bust i wouldnt put him on the field to play with kids playing touch football he proved he needs to go back to the basics him and cory ivy two players that thought they were good by just being in the defensive system. But with flacco or palmers i think palmer has a lil off a edge with experience but ability they both can throw the deep ball but flacco wins out being able to move in the pocket but dont get me wrong Flacco is in my top 3 quaterbacks being this young and having two 4 playoff experiences under his belt he is the real deal with time in oppurtunity he has shown he can kill any defense

[Ray27Rice]

Joe flacco is wayyyyyyyyyyy much better than carson palmer and he have more players to help out now

[jsn.Archie]

Wow okay wtrent1, [i]<Play nice>[/i] In this article is states that Carson Palmer was better becasue he has had very few weapons and had some success, Well let me see uhh What the hell has Joe Flacco had at receiver. Carson Palmer has had tons of weapons, what do you call Chad Ochocinco, Tj Houshmanzada (now with the seahawks) and the late Chris Henry (RIP). Now those are weapons. The only thing close to a weapon that Flacco has had is Derrick Mason who is practicly 40yrs of age and Mark Clayton who is so inconsistent that youll never know who is going to show up and yet Flacco and the Ravens have still made it to the playoffs his first two seasons and may I remind you the AFC championship those two seasons. So Flacco has done his job and beyond what he was called to do. This year he brings us the Championship. Go Ravens!!!

[Rage-N-Raven]

Why dont teams put Frank Walker at Fs like eagles did with Marlin Jackson. Both of them are really cover 2 coners.

[RaK427]

Wherever you put walker on a team, he's the weak link. Teams that he's played for know to attack him when he's on the field, either the pass is completed or walker will help your team complete it via yellow flag. I wouldn't wish him on any team, except for maybe the steelers.

[vannlambert]

walker has a big heart but to many pass interference calls.

[Tristan S.]

@wtrent1

Dude, what did Flacco ever do to you? Did he steal your girlfriend?

Flacco is going to throw for 4000+ yards this season, and we ARE going to the Super Bowl- because now we are the most balanced team in the NFL, hands down.

[Jabara]

The league knows Palmer, he's a pretty big name QB with little if any, success. Flacco on the other hand is entering his 3rd year, has had a lot of success and perhaps the best thing about him is that the league doesn't know him, or what to expect. So Flacco should have an explosive year, and this silly debate will quickly be laid to rest.

[birdland blitz]

Red McDaniel is an idiot. It's hard to argue against the fact that Palmer has been better over the first two years (that will change this year) but his supporting facts are just ridiculous. Palmer hasn't done anything in big games. His team hasn't made it deep in the playoffs ever since he's been there, the only made the playoffs two or three times (which isn't that many when you consider that half the NFL makes it). And what does he mean lack of weapons? Ochocinco? Houshmanzadeh (not any more, but for a long time), and Chris Hnery??? This guy is an idiot. And Flacco has won games in both of his playoff appearances. He's never not made the playoffs.I'm not even going to get started on the 'fake' comment.

[ravensinthehouse]

I agree, Red McDaniel is a <[i]inappropriate[/i]>, Flacco hands down, Palmer sucks, always has, always will. And also, good choice Walker, you get attention and money in the NFL, hardly anything in the UFL.

[ravensinthehouse]

Why is Red McDaniel sharing his thoughts, he should have known that no one would agree.

[ravensinthehouse]

Watch, Red Daniel is probably gonna say another stupid thing like Cedric Benson is better than Ray Rice. I swear, the only reason he said Palmer is better is likely because he is a Bengal fan.

[ravens0614]

Lack of weapons Palamer? At least you have Ocho. Flacco had Mason but was the only REAL weapon he had. Palmer has Ocho last year who is also great. But Carson isn't top 5, probably top 10. And no, he is not better than Tom Brady Or Manning. We will see Flacco throwing for a carrer high and probably over 4000 yards if he stays healthy. And his playoff record? Flacco has only played 2 seasons, and has won 3 playoff games 2 against Superbowl calliber teams, Titans in 2008 and the Pats in 2009.

[J.O.14]

Flacco has done more for this team in 2 years than anyone ever has. He put up better numbers than palmer, he was ranked around 13 in the league in passing with not so great weapons. We didn't throw over the middle cause if we did mason would have lasted about 4 games. Example is Pittsburgh, he got crushed. Flacco is fine and will do great this year. 4,000 yards plus. He will be here for the next ten years.


Go Ravens and Flacco!!!