Revis Holding Out From Jets OTAs

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' date='03 June 2010 - 02:21 PM' timestamp='1275596502' post='417403']
Why no hatred for the Bengals? Marvin Lewis was our coach. Jack Del Rio, Mike Singletary, Mike Smith, etc. I just think it's silly that people hate Rex cuz he is hogging the spotlight yet people feed into it. Rex Ryan understand this business. It is just entertainment. Yes, that is right. NFL is just entertainment. That's about it. Rex understands that and the thing with Crowder obviously worked cuz Crowder played like garbage last year and looks to get cut this year.

But i ll stop, I cant change people's minds, I just feel it makes us as a whole look sour about Rex going to the Jets when we have a pretty damn good team here in Baltimore to talk about.
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Marvin, Nolan, Del Rio and Smith didnt talk all kinds of garbage about stuff the organization was doing when they left either.

[JO_75]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='04 June 2010 - 01:45 PM' timestamp='1275673558' post='417808']
That's unprofessional on HBO's part, and completely idiotic on Revis' part if it's true.
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Hey what u think the reality shows are, just drama created by the network to draw ratings. That's nothing new.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='JO_75' date='04 June 2010 - 02:30 PM' timestamp='1275679846' post='417895']
Hey what u think the reality shows are, just drama created by the network to draw ratings. That's nothing new.
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There's a difference between manipulating individuals living together or stranded on an island and coercing a professional athlete to hold out.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Alexir' date='04 June 2010 - 12:43 PM' timestamp='1275673395' post='417807']
I just read a report on Rotoworld.com, that part of Revis' hold out had to do with the filming of Hard Knocks where they stated HBO pushed Revis to ask for more money to start drama.
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If HBO really is pushing him to create "drama", what do you think is his incentive for listening to them? Either he's after more money from the Jets or more money from HBO. Either way is fine by me.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Alexir' date='03 June 2010 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1275595044' post='417393']

I just dont understand the hatred to a guy who helped keep us as one of the best defenses in the NFL.
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I don't understand why you think it's 'hate'. I don't understand why you get so violently emotional every time Rex's name gets brought up... except that you think he should be the Ravens' head coach and all.

People maybe don't like some of what the guy has said and done since he left... they're as entitled to their opinions as you.

[Reddawn36]

You mean the Jets are going to fall apart before the season even starts? talk about a slap in the face

[BloodRaven]

Hopefully this situation doesn't resolve itself and starts a chain reaction of failure.

[flynismo]

I love Rex and Bart. They have personality, unlike the Golden Gurl QB and the remaining geriatric team.

Why do people get irked by us hating the Jets even though they have nothing to do with us, yet those very same people post in other threads that they hate New England and Dallas, who, GASP....have nothing to do with us!

Jets are lame, I hate them because I want to, not because someone tells me I'm supposed to hate the Steelers and the Colts.

[flynismo]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='04 June 2010 - 05:40 AM' timestamp='1275648015' post='417620']
Don't forget to add Rex's statements about how he should have been Baltimore's head coach, his belief that the Ravens shouldn't have let Paul Kruger wear #99, his proclamation that his team should be SB favorites (after the playoff fiasco that you mentioned) and his preference to defeat the Ravens in the AFC Championship game rather than any other team before winning the SB. There are probably more of Rex Ryan's greatest hits that I've left out, but he's certainly said enough to make people dislike him.
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I dont see anything wrong with any of those comments...nothing was said that makes me want to smash him over the head with a box of jelly-filleds.

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='Alexir' date='04 June 2010 - 01:43 PM' timestamp='1275673395' post='417807']
No Cornerback is worth anywhere near $20 Mil a year or at least I havent seen a cornerback play like that yet.[b]I mean Deion was good[/b], Nnamdi is good, and Revis is good, but they dont deserve Peyton Manning money. I just read a report on Rotoworld.com, that part of Revis' hold out had to do with the filming of Hard Knocks where they stated HBO pushed Revis to ask for more money to start drama.
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Sorry to chime in, but Deion was elite. Think about it, Deion in his prime today would show what a great db really is. Those two are good dont get me wrong, but I think some players are overhyped nowadays. Take Brian Urlacher, he has three good (not great) years and some people put him in Ray Lewis's class. Just crazy talk, True greatness doesnt happen everyday. Randy Moss, Peyton Manning, Ray Lewis are all once in a lifetime great players.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='flynismo' date='05 June 2010 - 08:41 AM' timestamp='1275741663' post='418234']
I love Rex and Bart. They have personality, unlike the Golden Gurl QB and the remaining geriatric team.

Why do people get irked by us hating the Jets even though they have nothing to do with us, yet those very same people post in other threads that they hate New England and Dallas, who, GASP....have nothing to do with us!

[b]Jets are lame, I hate them because I want to, not because someone tells me I'm supposed to hate the Steelers and the Colts.[/b]
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well said.... I hate 31 teams

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ravensfolife' date='05 June 2010 - 09:45 AM' timestamp='1275752733' post='418273']
Sorry to chime in, but Deion was elite. Think about it, Deion in his prime today would show what a great db really is. Those two are good dont get me wrong, but I think some players are overhyped nowadays. Take Brian Urlacher, he has three good (not great) years and some people put him in Ray Lewis's class. Just crazy talk, True greatness doesnt happen everyday. Randy Moss, Peyton Manning, Ray Lewis are all once in a lifetime great players.
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lol dont even get me started on Urlacher's apparent greatness

[JFaulK]

Jets will probably sign Revis, Mangold, Brick, and Harris by the end of preseason. Cant see them not taking advantage of an uncapped year.

[T-ray]

Urlacher, to me anyways, is way overrated in that he's being compared to Ray Lewis level of talent. He's good, don't get me wrong, but great??? Nah. Patrick Willis and Jon Beason are my picks to be Ray Lewis type players before long. They're already making huge impacts for their teams on Defense.

[JO_75]

[quote name='JFaulK' date='06 June 2010 - 06:17 PM' timestamp='1275862672' post='418553']
Jets will probably sign Revis, Mangold, Brick, and Harris by the end of preseason. Cant see them not taking advantage of an uncapped year.
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Oh Yeah I expect alot of teams to take advantage of an uncapped year and front load contracts. I'm hoping we do that when it comes to locking up Ngata and front loading his contract. Look at Jarhi Evans the RG for the Saints, he got a 7 year deal(worth $56 Million) and is getting $19 Million in the first year alone. Revis will get $20 Million but that will probably be over the first two years alone($10 Million a year) and the rest of the contract will be paid to help them when the cap comes back. Mangold, Harris ans Brick will also get front loaded contracts.


[quote name='T-ray' date='06 June 2010 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1275871496' post='418586']
Urlacher, to me anyways, is way overrated in that he's being compared to Ray Lewis level of talent. He's good, don't get me wrong, but great??? Nah. Patrick Willis and Jon Beason are my picks to be Ray Lewis type players before long. They're already making huge impacts for their teams on Defense.
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I agree. Willis just got his new contract, Beason shouldn't be that far behind in a getting a new deal. Urlacher hasn't a good season in years it seems like, I mean we don't hear about him much at all compared to Willis and Beason.

[XxSizzleXx]

The smart thing to do with Ngata would be to re-sign him with the uncapped year and front load the contract.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='JO_75' date='06 June 2010 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1275872750' post='418601']
I agree. Willis just got his new contract, Beason shouldn't be that far behind in a getting a new deal. Urlacher hasn't a good season in years it seems like, [b]I mean we don't hear about him much at all compared to Willis and Beason.[/b]
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Not true. We get to hear about his copious amounts of injuries throughout the season. That is, unless he goes down in week one with a season ending injury like last season.

[berad]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='08 June 2010 - 01:12 AM' timestamp='1275973953' post='419253']
The smart thing to do with Ngata would be to re-sign him with the uncapped year and front load the contract.
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The NFL has put regulations into effect which negate any attempts to 'front-load' a deal.

Sure, it would be smart, if it were possible.

[FerrariFan87]

Well, if the Jets are going to pay these guys they are going to have to front-load it so most of the $$$ is paid out during this un-capped season, otherwise they're looking at a lot of murky waters ahead.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='berad' date='08 June 2010 - 12:32 PM' timestamp='1276014751' post='419429']
The NFL has put regulations into effect which negate any attempts to 'front-load' a deal.

Sure, it would be smart, if it were possible.
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I'm pretty sure that those regulations are only for Free Agents being brought in a la Julius Peppers, etc... if they're re-doing a contract I don't think the NFL can regulate that.

[berad]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='08 June 2010 - 01:26 PM' timestamp='1276017982' post='419455']
Well, if the Jets are going to pay these guys they are going to have to front-load it so most of the $$$ is paid out during this un-capped season, otherwise they're looking at a lot of murky waters ahead.
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The 30 percent rule keeps them from from front-loading it. [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-chris_johnson_and_the_30percent_rule_html-2010429"]LINK[/url]

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The 30-percent rule, found in Article XXIV, Section 8 ( of the CBA, states that renegotiations/extensions entered into in the 2010 league year may not increase per year from 2009 to 2010 or beyond more than 30 percent of the 2009 salary. For example, if the 2009 salary is $2M, the maximum available in 2010 is $2.6M, in 2011 it’s $3.2M, etc.
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The players requesting new contracts are coming off their relatively low-paying rookies deals and this rule prevents the Jets from front-loading and giving their players that big pay day. It's a tough situation and, I agree, it looks murky.

And, yes, the NFL [i]can[/i] regulate it, and they have. The article above is written, specifically, about Chris Johnson. The NFL is smart and wants to keep the parity of the league intact. These regulations are a way of doing so with the salary cap gone.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='berad' date='08 June 2010 - 01:33 PM' timestamp='1276018437' post='419459']
The 30 percent rule keeps them from from front-loading it. [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-chris_johnson_and_the_30percent_rule_html-2010429"]LINK[/url]



The players requesting new contracts are coming off their relatively low-paying rookies deals and this rule prevents the Jets from front-loading and giving their players that big pay day. It's a tough situation and, I agree, it looks murky.
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Ahh, got it, thanks for the knowledge, sir.

Jets are in trouble lol.

[berad]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='08 June 2010 - 01:36 PM' timestamp='1276018601' post='419461']
Ahh, got it, thanks for the knowledge, sir.

Jets are in trouble lol.
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No problemo.

And the only way a team can maneuver around that rule is through signing bonuses. But that means giving someone a huge, guaranteed bonus with a tiny base salary - and no team wants to give out that much money in guarantees...

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='berad' date='08 June 2010 - 01:39 PM' timestamp='1276018793' post='419462']
No problemo.

And the only way a team can [b]maneuver around that rule is through signing bonuses[/b]. But that means giving someone a huge, guaranteed bonus with a tiny base salary - and no team wants to give out that much money in guarantees...
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That's what I was thinking about when I made my comment... but you're right, no way they give Revis Manning-esque guaranteed money which is what it would take to make him happy.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Then I guess Jet fans should soak up the big names and success while they can, the future doesn't look promising for them. Bad management by the Jets front office.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='08 June 2010 - 01:58 PM' timestamp='1276019937' post='419471']
Then I guess Jet fans should soak up the big names and success while they can, [b]the future doesn't look promising for them.[/b] Bad management by the Jets front office.
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With a possible lockout next season,in a way, the future doesn't look promising for any team.

If these big names get them a SB (which I doubt), they can worry about future seasons when they get here.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='08 June 2010 - 01:04 PM' timestamp='1276020264' post='419474']
With a possible lockout next season,in a way, the future doesn't look promising for any team.

If these big names get them a SB (which I doubt), they can worry about future seasons when they get here.
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I'm not worrying about a lockout until it happens. I'd rather enjoy my football without worrying about next season.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='08 June 2010 - 02:12 PM' timestamp='1276020732' post='419477']
I'm not worrying about a lockout until it happens. I'd rather enjoy my football without worrying about next season.
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Maybe the Jets aren't worrying about future seasons until they happen.