Creative Ways To Use The New Weapons.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

With all our new offensive weapons and the depth Cam now has at his disposal, he should really be able to open up and add to the playbook.

What are some creative new formations you would like to see in the upcoming season? (3 TE sets, power I, 4 or 5 WR's... ect.) Name the combination of players youd like to see on the field at the same time and in which positions... (dont have to include lineman if you dont want as its pretty straight forward who will be on the field, but by all means go ahead if you want).

If it's a formation for only certain circumstances, include what that circumstance is. (i.e. 4th and goal, 3rd and short, 3rd and long, 2 minute drills... you get the idea).

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I would like to see a three TE set with Heap and Pitta lined up as traditional TE's and Dickson split out almost as a WR. Then have Boldin and either Mason or Stallworth depending on the situation and which routes we need run (Stallworth if its a go to stretch the secondary and open up the middle for a TE and Boldin, or Mason if its short yardage or redzone). Rice at RB for play action or another passing option, or McClain if we want extra protection/short yardage.

The great thing is that we would have 6 weapons on the field but with three TE's (two lined up traditionally) and either a RB or FB we can still have maximum protection for Flacco to allow him time. Having up to 6 weapons and still being completely protected?? thats insane and not a lot of teams can have that sort of versatility in one formation.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='31 May 2010 - 03:24 AM' timestamp='1275290669' post='416059']
I would like to see a three TE set with Heap and Pitta lined up as traditional TE's and Dickson split out almost as a WR. Then have Boldin and either Mason or Stallworth depending on the situation and which routes we need run (Stallworth if its a go to stretch the secondary and open up the middle for a TE and Boldin, or Mason if its short yardage or redzone). Rice at RB for play action or another passing option, or McClain if we want extra protection/short yardage.

The great thing is that we would have 6 weapons on the field but with three TE's (two lined up traditionally) and either a RB or FB we can still have maximum protection for Flacco to allow him time. Having up to 6 weapons and still being completely protected?? thats insane and not a lot of teams can have that sort of versatility in one formation.
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It's not possible to have 6 weapons on the field at the same time unless you count your QB as a weapon.

You can only have 11 players on the field at once. You gotta have atleast 5 olinemen. Add your QB, that means you can only have 5 others skilled players on the field.

So if you wanna 3TE set, you could only have 1WR and a HB, or 3TE,2HB, or 3TE and 2WR.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

single back trips left with Chester playing TE next to the LT, Rice motions and sets in the slot right, fake a bubble to the left while rice swings the end around, while flacco is faking Chester chips the DE and gets up to the mlb, after pump fake draws defenders the trips consisting of boldin pitta and dickson get on the olb cb and s at the same moment flacco is pitching to rice, our tackles handle both de, Grubbs and Berk handle DTs and Yanda gets to the weak side olb, flacco gives a slight shove to the cb chasing Rice to knock him outside of his pursuit angle 20+ yards easy

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='31 May 2010 - 09:28 AM' timestamp='1275319684' post='416112']
It's not possible to have 6 weapons on the field at the same time unless you count your QB as a weapon.

You can only have 11 players on the field at once. You gotta have atleast 5 olinemen. Add your QB, that means you can only have 5 others skilled players on the field.

So if you wanna 3TE set, you could only have 1WR and a HB, or 3TE,2HB, or 3TE and 2WR.
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but our qb is a weapon.... remember 08

[DevilsLuck]

I guess I would like to see a 5 WR set on 4th and long. Only if we are on their 40 yard line or closer to the end zone though. It would be Boldin, Mason, Stallworth, Pitta, and Dickson. That would be kinda kool to see.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='31 May 2010 - 10:28 AM' timestamp='1275319684' post='416112']
It's not possible to have 6 weapons on the field at the same time unless you count your QB as a weapon.

You can only have 11 players on the field at once. You gotta have atleast 5 olinemen. Add your QB, that means you can only have 5 others skilled players on the field.

So if you wanna 3TE set, you could only have 1WR and a HB, or 3TE,2HB, or 3TE and 2WR.
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thanks for the clarification, i wasnt too sure about rules as far as how many down lineman you need. however, in my formation i had two TE's on the line. if the rule is actually that you need 5 lineman, one of the TE's could technically play as one. if he checks in the with the referee before the play as an eligible receiver he can catch the ball, becoming a weapon. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that as long as he checks in with the referee he is eligible to catch a pass. therefore.... i have 5 lineman, and 6 weapons.

[MKdave]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='31 May 2010 - 06:16 PM' timestamp='1275326190' post='416132']
thanks for the clarification, i wasnt too sure about rules as far as how many down lineman you need. however, in my formation i had two TE's on the line. if the rule is actually that you need 5 lineman, one of the TE's could technically play as one. if he checks in the with the referee before the play as an eligible receiver he can catch the ball, becoming a weapon. i could be wrong, but it is my understanding that as long as he checks in with the referee he is eligible to catch a pass. therefore.... i have 5 lineman, and 6 weapons.
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Yeah but then you've got 4 lineman and in all likelihood the eligible TE would have to be at tackle so you're giving an end or linebacker a free rush, even if they're only sending 4 guys. Never smart.

[MKdave]

Although, on the subject of declaring OL eligible, is there a reason you can't just declare all the linemen eligible? Seems like there's no point in not; you wouldn't get called for ineligible lineman downfield or linemen tipping balls along with a couple other silly penalties.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='MKdave' date='31 May 2010 - 12:20 PM' timestamp='1275326449' post='416133']
Yeah but then you've got 4 lineman and in all likelihood the eligible TE would have to be at tackle so you're giving an end or linebacker a free rush, even if they're only sending 4 guys. Never smart.
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not necessarily bc you could tweak the formation... like send the FB over to help the TE... lineup both TE's together to double team. stack one side of the line for a designed rollout... or even invite the rush on one side for a designed swing to the other. who knows, and i guess thats why im not the coordinator, but im sure whatever the issue is with the formation im sure theres a way to tweak it to make it work, but then again maybe not bc im sure theres always a way to find something wrong with it.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='MKdave' date='31 May 2010 - 01:25 PM' timestamp='1275326708' post='416134']
Although, on the subject of declaring OL eligible, is there a reason you can't just declare all the linemen eligible? Seems like there's no point in not; you wouldn't get called for ineligible lineman downfield or linemen tipping balls along with a couple other silly penalties.
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You can't declare all of the linemen eligible. Tackle eligible is limited to one player and must be declared, as you know. Otherwise, the rule is 7 players on the line of scrimmage.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='31 May 2010 - 01:53 PM' timestamp='1275328433' post='416146']
not necessarily bc you could tweak the formation... like send the FB over to help the TE... lineup both TE's together to double team. stack one side of the line for a designed rollout... or even invite the rush on one side for a designed swing to the other. who knows, and i guess thats why im not the coordinator, but im sure whatever the issue is with the formation im sure theres a way to tweak it to make it work, but then again maybe not bc im sure theres always a way to find something wrong with it.
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Yea there's a way to find something wrong with it. But rule you have to have atleast 5 men on the LOS, be it linemen or another player. Those 5 players would be deem ineligible to proceed down field or even touch a forward pass.

So even if a TE checked in on the line as eligible, you would still have to keep one of your WRs or HBs on the LOS by rule.

Sounds crazy but that's just the way it is.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='31 May 2010 - 02:49 AM' timestamp='1275288573' post='416055']
With all our new offensive weapons and the depth Cam now has at his disposal, he should really be able to open up and add to the playbook.

What are some creative new formations you would like to see in the upcoming season? (3 TE sets, power I, 4 or 5 WR's... ect.) Name the combination of players youd like to see on the field at the same time and in which positions... (dont have to include lineman if you dont want as its pretty straight forward who will be on the field, but by all means go ahead if you want).

If it's a formation for only certain circumstances, include what that circumstance is. (i.e. 4th and goal, 3rd and short, 3rd and long, 2 minute drills... you get the idea).
[/quote]
Have you ever not been the first person to respond to one of your posts?

In all seriousness, just run a solid offense, with nothing crazy and play football. If you look ay the best offenses in the NFL, they just play football because they have the talent to get it done. I feel we're there and don't need to "stretch" to get it done.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='31 May 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1275345607' post='416235']
Have you ever not been the first person to respond to one of your posts?
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Hahaha, Good Call. I've seen that once or twice before.
Would that be considered 2-way converstion, just curious.

"Ravens inside of their opponents 5-yard line, it's 3rd and goal, Flacco behind center, Ngata at fulback, McClain behin him - Flacco takes the ball, fake handoff?!, looking, Ngata is open, quick pass, Ngata got it in the endzone!!! TOUCHDOWN RAVENS !!!

[Malkavian Raven]

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

We've been a solid team making solid runs into the playoffs for the past two seasons, our downfall was our receivers inability to get open & Cameron/Flacco always pitching the ball to Rice -- really made us one dimensional.

The only thing I'd do to change our offense is pass the ball around. Keep the defense guessing. Use the three-headed monster to get the Safeties to creep up and then use our new arsenal to burn them deep. Classic football works best.

(Wouldn't mind a trick play now and again though.)

[1/28/01]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='31 May 2010 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1275349783' post='416270']
Hahaha, Good Call. I've seen that once or twice before.
Would that be considered 2-way converstion, just curious.

"Ravens inside of their opponents 5-yard line, it's 3rd and goal, Flacco behind center, Ngata at fulback, McClain behin him - Flacco takes the ball, fake handoff?!, looking, Ngata is open, quick pass, Ngata got in the endzone!!! TOUCHDOWN RAVENS !!!

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Ha....just messing with the guy, but its true.

Damn, I love spring/summer in MD!!!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='31 May 2010 - 07:11 PM' timestamp='1275351110' post='416278']
Ha....just messing with the guy, but its true.

Damn, I love spring/summer in MD!!!
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yea i always respond first... the reason i create a thread is its something im interested in or have something to say about it. 1st post lay out the theme and rules of the thread, then have my go.

gets things rolling and keeps people taking shots at me... it tends to be the first reply that takes the most heat and im willing to take it. plus why create a thread you have no interest in?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

plus, most of the thread if you read them the creator includes their opinion in the initial post... i like to just lay out a question or topic and leave it at that... and then make a seperate reply with my opinion. i basically do the same thing as everyone else but break it into two posts instead of including the topic and opinion in the same initial post.


btw no offense taken. i dont take anything to heart in these forums, its a ravens fan site... nothing serious so have at it, if theres something funny to say go ahead even if its at my expense. i laughed a little when i read it haha

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='31 May 2010 - 08:24 PM' timestamp='1275351871' post='416287']
yea i always respond first... the reason i create a thread is its something im interested in or have something to say about it. 1st post lay out the theme [b]and rules of the thread[/b], then have my go.

gets things rolling and keeps people taking shots at me... it tends to be the first reply that takes the most heat and im willing to take it. plus why create a thread you have no interest in?
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Just a friendly 'heads up'... you're going to be disappointed if you think that's going to fly any better than a stone balloon. Let the threads develop without the extra bumps. The topic/subject matter will determine the course of it.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='31 May 2010 - 09:10 PM' timestamp='1275354621' post='416303']
Just a friendly 'heads up'... you're going to be disappointed if you think that's going to fly any better than a stone balloon. Let the threads develop without the extra bumps. The topic/subject matter will determine the course of it.
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+ 4 twisted teas to that one....man, I'm a post fool tonight. It must be the pool floats, poolside fridge and blackberry!!! [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='31 May 2010 - 08:10 PM' timestamp='1275354621' post='416303']
Just a friendly 'heads up'... you're going to be disappointed if you think that's going to fly any better than a stone balloon. Let the threads develop without the extra bumps. The topic/subject matter will determine the course of it.
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i think i used the wrong words.. by rules i just meant basically the angle i am talking about. Example: I had a post about TO coming to BMore... by rules in that case i mean laying out that its completely hypothetical and i want to know what your opinion is and under what cicrumstance you would or would not like to see it.

so not really "rules" in heres what you can or cannot say, but more like tying up loose ends or getting rid of uncertainty... bad choice of words on my part tho

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='31 May 2010 - 08:10 PM' timestamp='1275354621' post='416303']
Just a friendly 'heads up'... you're going to be disappointed if you think that's going to [b]fly any better than a stone balloon[/b]. Let the threads develop without the extra bumps. The topic/subject matter will determine the course of it.
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like the phrase... though i think "sink quicker than a led zeppelin" is better. actually someone telling the new yardbirds with page, bonham, plant, and JP Jones were going to "sink quicker than a led zeppelin" is why they changed their name accordingly; kind of a middle finger to critics. but thats a story for another day...

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='31 May 2010 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1275358590' post='416325']
like the phrase... though i think "sink quicker than a led zeppelin" is better. actually someone telling the new yardbirds with page, bonham, plant, and JP Jones were going to "sink quicker than a led zeppelin" is why they changed their name accordingly; kind of a middle finger to critics. but thats a story for another day...
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Actually, the Stone Balloon was an old Newark, DE pub/band destination... I think of it occasionally when Flacco is a subject of conversation (went to UofD as well). So "stone balloon" works fine, thanks.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I can see Cam possibly expanding to a four wide receiver set with Ray, Willis or Le'Ron in the backfield as a blocker or available for dump offs. We've rarely used this in the past so I wouldn't expect teams to plan for it. We could also see an occasional 5 wide set but, this leaves no protection for Joe beyond the line.

If he were to use these, I would only run them on 1st or 2nd down. Rarely in obvious passing situations.

Weak side screens could also be another good option.

[12th man]

This is something i can't wait to see from the Ravens this year!!

Mason Q five line man heap Stallworth
Flacco
Rice
11 man look at all joe has to throw to, scary isn't it???

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='01 June 2010 - 12:03 AM' timestamp='1275368629' post='416363']
Actually, the Stone Balloon was an old Newark, DE pub/band destination... I think of it occasionally when Flacco is a subject of conversation (went to UofD as well). So "stone balloon" works fine, thanks.
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thanks for the history, definitely interesting. i wonder if my man george thorogood ever played there. he's from newark aint he? no wait, newcastle i think... either way he's from DE which isnt exactly the biggest sate in the union, so maybe he played there as an up-and-coming blues artist with his destroyers.

[ravensfan2430]

I dont want to start a new thread, but I need to put this somewhere.

POE is the man. He could be our new weapon!

The whole clip is good. but foreward to 3:24 if you dont wanna watch the whole thing.[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/09000d5d8181b406/Top-Ten-Follies-Mascot-mayhem"]POE [/url]

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='01 June 2010 - 04:53 PM' timestamp='1275425616' post='416571']
thanks for the history, definitely interesting. i wonder if my man george thorogood ever played there. he's from newark aint he? no wait, newcastle i think... either way he's from DE which isnt exactly the biggest sate in the union, so maybe he played there as an up-and-coming blues artist with his destroyers.
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I'm not sure he was playing blues at the time... but yeah, the Delaware Destroyers and George played the Stone Balloon. Sadly, it's a wine house now.

[Nick A.]

We could use Anquan Boldin in a wildcat... He did play QB in high school plus Troy Smith is fast, we can use him to

[XxSizzleXx]

Supposedly Stallworth will be a part of the punt return game.