Is Our Offense Better Than The Jets Offense?

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

The debate over the defense has been discussed. I want to know what everyone thinks about the Offense.

IMO there is no question as to who has the better offense.

QB--Ravens Joe is by far more talented than Sanchez and I believe with Smith and Beck we have more depth.
RB--Ravens The 3 headed monster is probably the best in the league.
WR--Ravens This one is closer than any other position but I still have to go with Q and CO.
TE--Ravens Ozzie made sure that this position will be dominant for years to come.
OL--Ravens As long as Gaither is healthy and playing I believe this is one of the best young lines in the NFL.

I know this is a BIT biased but hey Im a Ravens Fan!
Even though the debate over the defense was all over the place as far as who is better, its the offense that will be putting the majority of the points on the board. I definately think Joe will make the least amount of mistakes betweeen he and Sanchez. The Ravens should dominate and come away with the first W of the season.

Thoughts?

[RayRiceFan27]

I agree with everything except maybe WR. We might be tied there. The jets have alot of good WRs also.

[emcdonald0]

These "predict the future" threads drive me nuts. But I'll throw a couple pesos in anyways.

Our only clear strength over the jets is at QB.
I may give an edge to our RB tandem also, but we're gonna see what Shonn Greene is really capable of this year, but they're still idiots for letting Thomas Jones go. They must have huge expectations for Greene, because LT wont be picking up the slack.

[kagejb]

[quote name='RayRiceFan27' date='29 May 2010 - 06:31 PM' timestamp='1275172303' post='415809']
I agree with everything except maybe WR. We might be tied there. The jets have alot of good WRs also.
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So you're saying that

Anquan Boldin = Santonio Holmes
Derrick Mason = Braylon Edwards
Donte' Stallworth = Jericho Cotchery
Mark Clayton = Brad Smith

I don't think so.

[XxSizzleXx]

Why the heck does everybody keep talking about the friggen jets, do you people have an obsession or something?

Our Offense is twice the O theirs is... they maybe, MAYBE have an edge on the Oline, that's it.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='29 May 2010 - 06:54 PM' timestamp='1275173675' post='415813']
Why the heck does everybody keep talking about the friggen jets, do you people have an obsession or something?
[/quote]

Agreed.

To answer the question, I think the Ravens will have a better offense next season. The Jets have a better o-line but the Ravens have better personnel at every other position.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='29 May 2010 - 06:54 PM' timestamp='1275173675' post='415813']
Why the heck does everybody keep talking about the friggen jets, do you people have an obsession or something?

Our Offense is twice the O theirs is... they maybe, MAYBE have an edge on the Oline, that's it.
[/quote]

Maybe, just maybe, people are interested in the matchup. Its the first game of the season, they have our ex D cord., they have a few of our ex players, its the topic around the nation, Bart Scott and Rex Ryan run their mouths, and if you dont like it or are tired of it, dont respond to it!

[flynismo]

There's really nothing here to debate. We are significantly better than them in every area, except OL, which is probaly a wash. Even in that area, if you examine each individual player, you can argue we are better there too.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='29 May 2010 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1275175404' post='415827']
Maybe, just maybe, people are interested in the matchup. Its the first game of the season, they have our ex D cord., they have a few of our ex players, its the topic around the nation, Bart Scott and Rex Ryan run their mouths, and if you dont like it or are tired of it, dont respond to it!
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Right, so that's the ONLY team and the ONLY game were focusing on. Were just gonna hate on them and them alone till opening day. Right??... My predicition is after we play them and probably beat them, were still gonna hate on them a fair amount. What I don't like is just going out and choosing a team that's not even in our division to rip on and compare ourselves to. Doesn't matter why we do it (opening day, former d coordinator and a few former players), but it becomes a habit and obsession.

Now as far as the question asked, who has the better O, I'm going with us because we have a better QB, better WRs (even though they have good ones also) and probably a better running game. Yeah, the only area they beat us in is O line, but without having Faneca in that lineup, who really knows what the effect of it will be?

[justifythegame]

Jets have the better defense by far, possibly the best defense even (although i'm not sure if its better than the steelers). But we have the better offense. Their best player on offense alone is now in KC. Mark Sanchez just plain sucks. The guy was one of the absolute worst QBs in the NFL last year, terrible completion percentage, and most of his completions are to the other team. But if you think about it, Jets fans talked trash about the most accurate QB in NFL history Pennington, a guy who also won comeback player twice and had the respect of his teammates and coaches. So it makes sense they would only embrace a guy who sucks instead because he is young and looks good or something, or maybe its his arm strength. They would still probably be cheering if they drafted jamarcus russel.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='29 May 2010 - 07:36 PM' timestamp='1275176207' post='415831']
Right, so that's the ONLY team and the ONLY game were focusing on. Were just gonna hate on them and them alone till opening day. Right??... My predicition is after we play them and probably beat them, were still gonna hate on them a fair amount. What I don't like is just going out and choosing a team that's not even in our division to rip on and compare ourselves to. Doesn't matter why we do it (opening day, former d coordinator and a few former players), but it becomes a habit and obsession.

Now as far as the question asked, who has the better O, I'm going with us because we have a better QB, better WRs (even though they have good ones also) and probably a better running game. Yeah, the only area they beat us in is O line, but without having Faneca in that lineup, who really knows what the effect of it will be?
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Where does asking the question for an opinion between two offenses suggest an obsession or habit in choosing an opponent to compare to? The main reason people have been doing this comparison thing with the Jets is because of all the media attention being given to the Jets.
How much fun would it be to sit here and talk about our week 5 matchup against the Broncos? How much fun to talk about week 7 matchup against Bills? None! And you are right about focus, it should only be about the Jets right now. We will get to week 2 once week 1 is over. Lighten up a little. Im sure this is not the first time you have expressed some kind of opinion on anything to do with the Jets and certainly not the last.
This whole conversation would have been just fine had you not even written the first paragraph.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='29 May 2010 - 06:23 PM' timestamp='1275171803' post='415807']
The debate over the defense has been discussed. I want to know what everyone thinks about the Offense.

IMO there is no question as to who has the better offense.

QB--Ravens Joe is by far more talented than Sanchez and I believe with Smith and Beck we have more depth.
RB--Ravens The 3 headed monster is probably the best in the league.
WR--Ravens This one is closer than any other position but I still have to go with Q and CO.
TE--Ravens Ozzie made sure that this position will be dominant for years to come.
OL--Ravens As long as Gaither is healthy and playing I believe this is one of the best young lines in the NFL.

I know this is a BIT biased but hey Im a Ravens Fan!
Even though the debate over the defense was all over the place as far as who is better, its the offense that will be putting the majority of the points on the board. I definately think Joe will make the least amount of mistakes betweeen he and Sanchez. The Ravens should dominate and come away with the first W of the season.

Thoughts?
[/quote]
Dan the Man - I tend to like most of your posts and think you give great feedback and insight on this board, but this is a landslide to the Ravens!!

It really shouldn't even be questioned....the real question should be - is our O better than their D and vice versa (if that makes sense to people)?

The answer is yes, but not by much....17-14 Ravens!

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='29 May 2010 - 09:10 PM' timestamp='1275181827' post='415840']
Dan the Man - I tend to like most of your posts and think you give great feedback and insight on this board, but this is a landslide to the Ravens!!

It really shouldn't even be questioned....the real question should be - is our O better than their D and vice versa (if that makes sense to people)?

The answer is yes, but not by much....17-14 Ravens!
[/quote]

Now that you mention it! Maybe we can get the topic title changed. That would have been a great topic. Good idea.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Playing the Jets wk1 is a key game for us in my opinion and well worth discussing. It has all the markings of a playoff caliber game on national television. Most importantly, how we handle ourselves in this game will set the tone for the season! Not meaning if we lose this game, we are done but, more as to how well we play can fire the team up from the start.

Now to the question at hand.

QB: Flacco is far superior. Sanchez doesn't impress me at all!
WR: This is one key. We must win a fair amount of battles against their secondary. I think we will in comparison to theirs especially with their key addition not being available.
RB: We have the best tandem there is in my eyes. We will produce against their D-line and I don't think they will have as much success against ours.
OL: This is the other key. You know Rex is going to throw everything except the waterboy at us. We have to be prepared to handle the onslaught.

We will have no problem with Denver in wk5! We own them when they come to Bmore!
Buffalo's offense against our "D" in wk7, I see a big goose egg.

Had to throw that in for fun!

[BloodRaven]

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='Rav'n Maniac' date='29 May 2010 - 09:46 PM' timestamp='1275184001' post='415851']
Playing the Jets wk1 is a key game for us in my opinion and well worth discussing. It has all the markings of a playoff caliber game on national television. Most importantly, how we handle ourselves in this game will set the tone for the season! Not meaning if we lose this game, we are done but, more as to how well we play can fire the team up from the start.

Now to the question at hand.

QB: Flacco is far superior. Sanchez doesn't impress me at all!
WR: This is one key. We must win a fair amount of battles against their secondary. I think we will in comparison to theirs especially with their key addition not being available.
RB: We have the best tandem there is in my eyes. We will produce against their D-line and I don't think they will have as much success against ours.
OL: This is the other key. You know Rex is going to throw everything except the waterboy at us. We have to be prepared to handle the onslaught.

We will have no problem with Denver in wk5! We own them when they come to Bmore!
Buffalo's offense against our "D" in wk7, I see a big goose egg.

Had to throw that in for fun!
[/quote]

Fun is good. And from what I hear Ryan has already informed the waterboy to be prepared!

[ed.s52]

Why is this even a topic? Everyone knows that besides that the only area of their O where they can match us is the O line which although they may beat us we definitely have more potential and youth while the have a bunch of old vets, not to mention they might not recover from losing Faneca.

If Braylon stops dropping balls and Holmes produces then they would have better receivers, but Holmes will not be the superstar they expect, good, but not All-Pro worthy especially with Sanchez.

So basicly we will destroy the Jets on O.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

If our offense logically progresses the way it should, then definitely. We have far more in the way of playmakers and weapons now.

[Corvus]

It is basically impossible to judge both offenses because there has been a pretty good amount of change on both units since last season. That said, its difficult to see the Jets offense as better than ours on paper anyway.

Joe has one more year of experience than Sanchez and has a better understanding of Nfl defenses I would think.
Shonn Greene ended the season on a great note but is is still pretty "green" and as great as LT has been in the past, I still think he is a significant downgrade from Thomas Jones. Meanwhile we have 3 pro-bowl backs who all have plenty of experience toting the rock.
Receiver wise, Cotchery is underrated and seems to find a way to produce every year. Holmes should be solid after his suspension and Keller is a good pass catching TE. Brad Smith is a versatile guy but not too experienced and Edwards, well is gonna drop a bunch of passes. As for us, Boldin, Mason, and Heap are all established veterans who I feel give us the slight edge. Stallworth, while I'm hopeful for him. is still a question mark but he and Clayton give us some solid depth at receiver. If Pitta and Dickson contribute soon, we definitely have the edge as our receiving corps go.
O-line is really where both units are about even and both should be great again in 2010. Mangold is arguably the best center in the game and they have a very good young tackle in Ferguson as well. Replacing Faneca with Ducasse is a huge downgrade though at this early point in his career. 4/5 of our line is young and talented with Birk providing the veteran leadership and abilities. We are also returning all 5 starters for the first time in years so that gives us the slight edge as well.
Obviously we're all biased, but on paper at least, our offense should be better as a whole.

[Boldinmore]

[quote name='kagejb' date='29 May 2010 - 05:47 PM' timestamp='1275173241' post='415811']
So you're saying that

Anquan Boldin = Santonio Holmes
Derrick Mason = Braylon Edwards
Donte' Stallworth = Jericho Cotchery
Mark Clayton = Brad Smith

I don't think so.
[/quote]

I would consider that pretty darn even...

[LilyRaven]

I thought Jerry Jones proved real football can't be played like fantasy. If we're going on who's the loudest, yes the Jets have it. Otherwise we're talking about team effort not divas. Working with what you have as a cohesive unit? Ravens all the way.

[RAYvenFan20]

why is this even being asked?

[berad]

[quote name='kagejb' date='29 May 2010 - 06:47 PM' timestamp='1275173241' post='415811']
So you're saying that

Anquan Boldin = Santonio Holmes
Derrick Mason = Braylon Edwards
Donte' Stallworth = Jericho Cotchery
Mark Clayton = Brad Smith

I don't think so.
[/quote]

That's not too insane. I would alter it so that [b]Mason > Edwards[/b] and [b]Stallworth < Cotchery[/b] but our wide receivers are pretty much equal. Of course, the Jets won't have Holmes when we play them.

[XxSizzleXx]

We should be at least comparing our Offense to a good and well rounded one to start off with.

[RAYvenFan20]

wasnt a bad idea to compare our d in another thread, seeing haw similar they are and how highly rated they both are expected to be. but why compare our offenses? we are both run first teams with young QBs but the list stops there. the ravens by far have the better offense (on paper)

[DocMartin]

Here's a preview of the season opener

[i]N.Y. Radio Broadcast >>>[/i]
....and here we are in New York where the Baltimore Ravens visiting our home team Jets and yeah... we have the football, on Jets 20-yard line.
[b]1st & 10,[/b]
Sanchez behind center, takes the ball, handoff to RB Shonn Greene, running straight and BOOM! What was that! Wow, he just ran right into MOUNT CRUSHMORE and fell on his back!
Cody aka Mt.Cody is credited with the tackle, moving on
[b]2nd & 10,[/b]
Sanchez behind center, RB Tomlinson in the backfield to the right, look like run to the outside, Sanchez quick handoff to Tomlinson, he's going to the left and BOOM!
What was that?! Oh, man, he got hit in the backfield by All-Pro Ray Lewis, what a play and bone crunching hit! Well, moving on, it's
[b]3rd & 15[/b]
Well, look like the Jets will have to put the ball into the hands of Mark Sanchez on this play, 2 running plays, minus 5 yards, what's next? Jets with 3WR set, Sanchez behind center, takes the ball, fake handoff, brilliant! He fooled everyone, including himself, got #55 Suggs coming from blind side, BOOM! what a hit, pops the ball is up in the air!! Reed, yes, Ed Reed, where did he come from? making a great play, got the ball in his hand and running! [b]30, 20, 10 TOUCHDOWN RAVENS !!![/b]

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='RAYvenFan20' date='31 May 2010 - 06:46 PM' timestamp='1275349600' post='416267']
wasnt a bad idea to compare our d in another thread, seeing haw similar they are and how highly rated they both are expected to be. but why compare our offenses? we are both run first teams with young QBs but the list stops there. the ravens by far have the better offense (on paper)
[/quote]

why come in here just to post that? dont like it dont say anything! why do certain people feel the need to enter a forum just to post their distaste for it?

besides, it is a decent thing to discuss. if you look further there is an interesting angle here. we may have the better all-around offense, but lets compare the two offenses in respect to how they fair against the opposing defense. our pass attack will have a tough time against their pass D unless the young TE's can come up big, but our rushing attack should be effective. their great rushing attack should get shut down by our great run defense, but their pass attack may be somewhat effective if sanchez can play well. he may have been pretty terrible last year, but flacco got a lot better in year two. im not going to be ignorant and think that sanchez definitely cannot get better.

that being said i think our rushing offense will be a lot more prolific and effective than their passing attack... edge to the ravens. that being said sometimes you have to look beyond the obvious (who has better players on paper? We do yay!) to find the interesting reason to discuss it, but i realize some people dont want to or dont have the mental capacity to go beyond the obvious. but not wanting to or being able to go further isnt an excuse to talk negatively about another fan. you dont like the forum then dont read or post.

dan the man, i like it my man, keep it up. Ravens fans stick together!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='31 May 2010 - 09:00 PM' timestamp='1275354019' post='416297']
why come in here just to post that? dont like it dont say anything! why do certain people feel the need to enter a forum just to post their distaste for it?

besides, it is a decent thing to discuss. if you look further there is an interesting angle here. we may have the better all-around offense, but lets compare the two offenses in respect to how they fair against the opposing defense. our pass attack will have a tough time against their pass D unless the young TE's can come up big, but our rushing attack should be effective. their great rushing attack should get shut down by our great run defense, but their pass attack may be somewhat effective if sanchez can play well. he may have been pretty terrible last year, but flacco got a lot better in year two. im not going to be ignorant and think that sanchez definitely cannot get better.

that being said i think our rushing offense will be a lot more prolific and effective than their passing attack... edge to the ravens. that being said sometimes you have to look beyond the obvious (who has better players on paper? We do yay!) to find the interesting reason to discuss it, but i realize some people dont want to or dont have the mental capacity to go beyond the obvious. but not wanting to or being able to go further isnt an excuse to talk negatively about another fan. you dont like the forum then dont read or post.

dan the man, i like it my man, keep it up. Ravens fans stick together!
[/quote]
I agree, but easy there fella....

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='31 May 2010 - 09:00 PM' timestamp='1275354019' post='416297']
why come in here just to post that? dont like it dont say anything! why do certain people feel the need to enter a forum just to post their distaste for it?

besides, it is a decent thing to discuss. if you look further there is an interesting angle here. we may have the better all-around offense, but lets compare the two offenses in respect to how they fair against the opposing defense. our pass attack will have a tough time against their pass D unless the young TE's can come up big, but our rushing attack should be effective. their great rushing attack should get shut down by our great run defense, but their pass attack may be somewhat effective if sanchez can play well. he may have been pretty terrible last year, but flacco got a lot better in year two. im not going to be ignorant and think that sanchez definitely cannot get better.

that being said i think our rushing offense will be a lot more prolific and effective than their passing attack... edge to the ravens. that being said sometimes you have to look beyond the obvious (who has better players on paper? We do yay!) to find the interesting reason to discuss it, but i realize some people dont want to or dont have the mental capacity to go beyond the obvious. but not wanting to or being able to go further isnt an excuse to talk negatively about another fan. you dont like the forum then dont read or post.

dan the man, i like it my man, keep it up. Ravens fans stick together!
[/quote]

I agree with what you are saying, unfortunately it will continue to happen.

[BillsFan89]

yes flacco> sanchez



enough said