Anquan Boldin Not A Number #1 Receiver?

[flynismo]

[quote name='RBates' date='02 June 2010 - 11:27 PM' timestamp='1275539232' post='417150']
You said it i didn't possession receiver. A better Keshawn Johnson. With the 65.2 i was referring to the gentleman that ranted how a 1000 yard season made you a good receiver. Apparently some of you misunderstood me so let me rephrase. The guy is perfect for what we want him to do and that is block and make the tuff grabs. When you say a number one receiver you make me think of a top flight receiver like Fitz, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Randy Moss or one of those guys. Make no mistake in this offense he has the tools to be a special player. But a true number one, wow that's a stretch. Ravens fans are such fans that we can't say anything that seems to be a little negative about our team without getting negative rep points. Watch football then argue, and at the end of the day ill be the one laughing like i told these guys. Anything less than 1500 and 10 td in this offense with the talent surrounding him is shortcomings. Can we at least agree on that.
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Sorry, I cant agree to anything based on the premise that Anquan Boldin is not only a #1, but an ELITE reiever.


You know what's funny? You and that Prisco bonehead are the only two people on the face of the planet who cannot acknowledge how great Boldin is, yet WE are the one's who are biased and over-sensitive?
I, along with the rest of the board, acknowledged how good Boldin is for quite some time BEFORE we traded for him (and is the reason we lobbied to bring him in). So the bias theory flies out the window right there.

Anyway, I can see we'll just have to disagree on this matter...but I'm curious...can you name all the NFL teams that he definitely would not be the #1 on? Here's my list.

He would DEFINITELY not be the #1 on:

1. Detriot. Megatron is the most gifted reciever in the game.
2. New Eng. It's Randy Moss.
3. AZ. We know that because Fitz was their #1.
4. Indy. Reggie Wayne is as good as Boldin, and has a tremendous rapport with Manning, so I think Wayne keeps numero uno.
5. Houston. Same story as with Wayne. Equally talented players, but the existing rapport with the QB is why Boldin would go to #2.

That is the extent of my list. And the last two guys on that list aren't beating Boldin for the job because they are clearly better...

So, what is your list looking like? How many teams would Q not be the #1 on?
FYI, please dont say teams like Carolina or Miami, because neither Smith or Marshall are clearly better than Boldin. At best, they are on his level, and the question was, what NFL teams would Boldin DEFINITELY not be the #1 on?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' date='03 June 2010 - 02:08 AM' timestamp='1275545335' post='417162']
Sorry, I cant agree to anything based on the premise that Anquan Boldin is not only a #1, but an ELITE reiever.


You know what's funny? You and that Prisco bonehead are the only two people on the face of the planet who cannot acknowledge how great Boldin is, yet WE are the one's who are biased and over-sensitive?
I, along with the rest of the board, acknowledged how good Boldin is for quite some time BEFORE we traded for him (and is the reason we lobbied to bring him in). So the bias theory flies out the window right there.

Anyway, I can see we'll just have to disagree on this matter...but I'm curious...can you name all the NFL teams that he definitely would not be the #1 on? Here's my list.

He would DEFINITELY not be the #1 on:

1. Detriot. Megatron is the most gifted reciever in the game.
2. New Eng. It's Randy Moss.
3. AZ. We know that because Fitz was their #1.
[b]4. Indy. Reggie Wayne is as good as Boldin, and has a tremendous rapport with Manning, so I think Wayne keeps numero uno.
5. Houston. Same story as with Wayne. Equally talented players, but the existing rapport with the QB is why Boldin would go to #2.[/b]

That is the extent of my list. And the last two guys on that list aren't beating Boldin for the job because they are clearly better...

So, what is your list looking like? How many teams would Q not be the #1 on?
FYI, please dont say teams like Carolina or Miami, because neither Smith or Marshall are clearly better than Boldin. At best, they are on his level, and the question was, what NFL teams would Boldin DEFINITELY not be the #1 on?
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Not a huge deal but I wouldn't say Johnson and Wayne "equally talented". Their recent statistics alone are proof. Physically, Andre is the most talented WR in the game after Megatron. Fiztgerald is a beast too but Megatron aside, no WR in the league can stretch defenses and work possession routes the way Andre does.

Considering his recent production and talent, he's the best WR in the game in my opinion.

[lowrider]

[quote name='flynismo' date='03 June 2010 - 02:08 AM' timestamp='1275545335' post='417162']

So, what is your list looking like? How many teams would Q not be the #1 on?
FYI, please dont say teams like Carolina or Miami, because neither Smith or Marshall are clearly better than Boldin. At best, they are on his level, and the question was, what NFL teams would Boldin DEFINITELY not be the #1 on?
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I would have to disagree with you there. I think Marshall is better on the field. But not by much. Would I rather have Boldin for a 3rd and 4th, or Marshall for 2 second rounders? I would rather have Boldin because of how much of a team player he is. Marshall is a strip club night short of being Pacman and not playing for half the season.

But still the rest of your post was very solid and I agree with it.

[BlackDaOut]

A stereotypical number one wideout doesn't necessarily fit our system. The raven's play a smash mouth brand of football that Randy or Reggie wouldn't necessarily be comfortable playing in. Q (as he was so elequently dubbed) does fit our system and he can be our number one for our team. I've never seen a wideout go over the middle, get his face crushed, and recovery just so he can do the same thing all over again the next time he plays... This is our number one wideout without question.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='03 June 2010 - 09:48 AM' timestamp='1275576483' post='417217']
Not a huge deal but I wouldn't say Johnson and Wayne "equally talented". Their recent statistics alone are proof. Physically, Andre is the most talented WR in the game after Megatron. Fiztgerald is a beast too but Megatron aside, no WR in the league can stretch defenses and work possession routes the way Andre does.

Considering his recent production and talent, he's the best WR in the game in my opinion.
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Actually, I meant that Wayne and Johnson are on about the same talent level as Boldin, not compared to each other...but now that you mention it, personally I think that all three of those guys are about equal to each other, as far as talent is concerned.
I try not to put too much emphasis on stats...AJ is a good example of why. He is the only legit threat, other than their TE, so he's going to get more targets than a guy like Boldin or Wayne, who play in offenses that really spread the love.

I think Wayne is another guy who doesn't get enough respect...he probably has the best hands in the game (a toss up between him and Fitz), awesome route runner and one of the most savvy guys in the league. I hate when people say he is a product of Peyton, because that couldn't be further from the truth.

[lowrider]

[quote name='flynismo' date='03 June 2010 - 02:59 PM' timestamp='1275591540' post='417349']
Actually, I meant that Wayne and Johnson are on about the same talent level as Boldin, not compared to each other...but now that you mention it, personally I think that all three of those guys are about equal to each other, as far as talent is concerned.
I try not to put too much emphasis on stats...AJ is a good example of why. He is the only legit threat, other than their TE, so he's going to get more targets than a guy like Boldin or Wayne, who play in offenses that really spread the love.

I think Wayne is another guy who doesn't get enough respect...he probably has the best hands in the game (a toss up between him and Fitz), awesome route runner and one of the most savvy guys in the league. I hate when people say he is a product of Peyton, because that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Agreed 100% about Wayne. Some of the catches he makes are just ridiculous. Its hard to compare Wayne and Boldin, they have very different types of games. Boldin is more physical, and Wayne is more precise with routes. I think its a bit of a stretch to say that Boldin is as good as Andre Johnson. Johnson is bigger and a little stronger, but other than that I don't much seperates them.

[WinnipegRaven]

Post from a youtube clip.... apparently there are Cards fans who think Anquan is better than Larry


"its good to know that boldin is still a bird....enjoy the best cardinal to ever exist baltimore fans"

[AwakenTheDemon]

We've all heard the phrase "haters gonna hate". Well, I've adopted something similar when it comes to the media and the Ravens. Doubters gonna doubt. It happens every year with us, more often then not. After all the anger I've dealt with over hearing the media downplay and bet against us, I've learned to just ignore it. Let the media sell our receivers short (looking at you Keyshawn) all they want. When the season comes, our players will speak for themselves. After all, we, Raven fans, know the truth. We don't need analysts to validate what we already know.

[Alexir]

Boldin will do wonders for this team and quite frankly I dont care who wrote what about who regarding what or where.

Q will fit in our offense as a Number 1 so that is all that matters. Would I select him in the first round of Fantasy Football? No. Would I select him first round in the NFL? Absolutely. He has great leadership skills, great hands, great route running and can break a tackle left and right. He isn't the fastest guy but we dont need him to be the fastest guy, he just needs to get open. Also, does Randy Moss run block? No. Does T.O.? No. They are soft in that area. I'm glad we got Anquan and I don't care whats his face says about him (dont even know his name because he isn't a number 1 sports writer).

[DMT]

I think he has the potential to be a number 1. and if not, we have two great number 2's and a deep threat number 3

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' date='03 June 2010 - 02:59 PM' timestamp='1275591540' post='417349']
Actually, I meant that Wayne and Johnson are on about the same talent level as Boldin, not compared to each other...but now that you mention it, personally I think that all three of those guys are about equal to each other, as far as talent is concerned.
I try not to put too much emphasis on stats...AJ is a good example of why. He is the only legit threat, other than their TE, so he's going to get more targets than a guy like Boldin or Wayne, who play in offenses that really spread the love.

I think Wayne is another guy who doesn't get enough respect...he probably has the best hands in the game (a toss up between him and Fitz), awesome route runner and one of the most savvy guys in the league. I hate when people say he is a product of Peyton, because that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Andre being the only major threat Houston has besides Daniels and still putting up back-to-back 100-catch, 1500-yard seasons(only players in league history to do it besides Rice) is further proof he's the best in the business in my opinion.

Q and Wayne are talented players and Reggie certainly doesn't get the respect he deserves but I don't think either could do what Andre has done in Houston were they to trade places.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='RBates' date='31 May 2010 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1275338820' post='416196']
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but i think Aquan is a good receiver just not a great one. The reason we picked him up is because of his ability to make the tough over the middle grabs and his work ethic. His blocking skills are off the charts as well with that said, he is not a true Number one receiver you don't have to double him because of his lack of speed. The real reason he is a Raven is because he scorched our D in 2007 180 plus yards and 2 scores. But with our receiving core he will post great numbers. Oh and by the way 1000 yard seasons are not that good it averages out to be about 63 yards a game. In this league where you can't touch a receiver that's mediocre.
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I hate to say it but let me be the bearer of "GOOD" news. First let me say that you partially got the reason Q was signed to the Ravens right.
1. I agree with the fact he has the skills, ability, and desire to fly across the middle, whether short or long, and make 95% of the balls thrown to him.
2. Once he makes these catches his YACs place him far and above many of the "elite recievers" previously listed.
3. This is a team first mentality RAVEN. The man will do what ever he is asked to do. Sometimes with disregard to the health of his own body.
4. There are not too many recievers in this league that understands the game and studies the game like he does. When a play asks him to make a critical block to perhaps spring a RB, TE, WR, and sometimes make two blocks in one play, Q will do it.
5. Q does in fact command many double teams. His speed may not break down to a low 40 but his game speed sure as hell rockets once the pads are on and the game is on the line.
6. Lets talk about the body of character he brings into the locker room, on the field, off the field, and lets not forget what an incredible mentor he can be to some of these younger players. There are only a few players on this team with any SuperBowl experience. This is invaluable power to be shared with his team mates.
7. The total picks we swapped out with Arizona to aquire Q were basically nothing. I expect him to fit in well and perhaps even retire a Raven once that day comes.
8. You want to say he is a good reciever but you wouldnt consider him to be a number 1. Here is a break down on what Q has accomplished in his first 7 season.

586 receptions, 7,520 yards rec., 12.8 ypc, 79 yard longest reception, 44 touchdowns.

36 rushes, 209 yards rushing, 5.8 average per carry, 30 yards longest rush, 1 touchdown, (ugh...11 fumbles)

** of these 7 years he played in 95 games out of 112. He started 92 of those games.

For a player who comes to work year round with no baggage and only the desire to win, win, win... Comands double teams, punishes the defense, and most of all Never Quits on his team, has got to be NUMBER 1 with a whole lot of elite wrapped around him. Its a no brainer.

I dare you to find 5 number 1 players who compared to would come even close to tarnish what Q brings.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='06 June 2010 - 11:29 PM' timestamp='1275884980' post='418649']
I hate to say it but let me be the bearer of "GOOD" news. First let me say that you partially got the reason Q was signed to the Ravens right.
1. I agree with the fact he has the skills, ability, and desire to fly across the middle, whether short or long, and make 95% of the balls thrown to him.
2. Once he makes these catches his YACs place him far and above many of the "elite recievers" previously listed.
3. This is a team first mentality RAVEN. The man will do what ever he is asked to do. Sometimes with disregard to the health of his own body.
4. There are not too many recievers in this league that understands the game and studies the game like he does. When a play asks him to make a critical block to perhaps spring a RB, TE, WR, and sometimes make two blocks in one play, Q will do it.
5. Q does in fact command many double teams. His speed may not break down to a low 40 but his game speed sure as hell rockets once the pads are on and the game is on the line.
6. Lets talk about the body of character he brings into the locker room, on the field, off the field, and lets not forget what an incredible mentor he can be to some of these younger players. There are only a few players on this team with any SuperBowl experience. This is invaluable power to be shared with his team mates.
7. The total picks we swapped out with Arizona to aquire Q were basically nothing. I expect him to fit in well and perhaps even retire a Raven once that day comes.
8. You want to say he is a good reciever but you wouldnt consider him to be a number 1. Here is a break down on what Q has accomplished in his first 7 season.

586 receptions, 7,520 yards rec., 12.8 ypc, 79 yard longest reception, 44 touchdowns.

36 rushes, 209 yards rushing, 5.8 average per carry, 30 yards longest rush, 1 touchdown, (ugh...11 fumbles)

** of these 7 years he played in 95 games out of 112. He started 92 of those games.

For a player who comes to work year round with no baggage and only the desire to win, win, win... Comands double teams, punishes the defense, and most of all Never Quits on his team, has got to be NUMBER 1 with a whole lot of elite wrapped around him. Its a no brainer.

I dare you to find 5 number 1 players who compared to would come even close to tarnish what Q brings.


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I <3 Q. (That would make for a great T-shirt!)


And great post; that about sums it up.

[BoldinAZ]

Hey, Cards fan here. Just got done watching NFL Replay of AZ v TEN and was getting nostalgic on Boldin already. I've watched every Boldin game since his 2003 debut in DET. You guys got the best deal of the offseason. He may miss a couple games due to injury, but he was the best offensive player on our team - even last year, including Fitz who I love. Boldin just has that win or die attitude and **** that he brings to the table that the anal-ysts can't measure. Trust me, don't worry about whether you got an asskicker or not.

[flynismo]

[quote name='BoldinAZ' date='07 June 2010 - 01:01 AM' timestamp='1275890502' post='418683']
Hey, Cards fan here. Just got done watching NFL Replay of AZ v TEN and was getting nostalgic on Boldin already. I've watched every Boldin game since his 2003 debut in DET. You guys got the best deal of the offseason. He may miss a couple games due to injury, but he was the best offensive player on our team - even last year, including Fitz who I love. Boldin just has that win or die attitude and **** that he brings to the table that the anal-ysts can't measure. Trust me, don't worry about whether you got an asskicker or not.
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Thanks, finally got some backup to my claim that Q is (slightly) better than Fitz. Everyone thinks I'm crazy when I say that, but due to my admiration for Warner and Q, I've watched enough AZ games to know what Q is all about.

Good luck with the upcoming season...maybe we'll get the Super Bowl that I was hoping for a couple years ago!

[BloodRaven]

I'd like to see him mentoring Marcus Smith, who has similar physique/measurables. Just like I'd want Mason mentoring Reed.

[BoldinAZ]

[quote name='flynismo' date='06 June 2010 - 11:15 PM' timestamp='1275891313' post='418686']
Thanks, finally got some backup to my claim that Q is (slightly) better than Fitz. Everyone thinks I'm crazy when I say that, but due to my admiration for Warner and Q, I've watched enough AZ games to know what Q is all about.

Good luck with the upcoming season...maybe we'll get the Super Bowl that I was hoping for a couple years ago!
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Boldin's just one of those guys that is gonna give you 110% no matter what. And he's got the talent to make that mean something. Fitz can jump higher and may have better hands, but dare I say it, Boldin is a better football player. You guys won't be sorry. Plus he's the kind of guy u just want to root for, which kinda makes me a ravens fan this season. Good luck to you guys.

[Purple Nurple]

I was just watching an old QB Challenge on NFLN. Q was helping out receiving. Fun to watch. Made a one handed TD catch. Gave me the warm fuzzies.

[Radinho84]

of course Q is our number one and would easily be on most of the teams around there like fly said. but the best part of that all is that mason will be our number 2!! i think he is the very best number 2 ever played the game of football. i don´t care who of them has the better stats at the end of the season!!! the combination of them is the "secret". we will rock this year and everyone who thinks different about that,............, well keep thinkin´!!!!!!

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

People who don't think Boldin is a number one receiver clearly don't appreciate a blue collar receiver whom is very skilled. Tough, smart, great blocker, YAC machine.

And why is he not a number one receiver to some? Because he doesn't have speed to burn a corner. So what? I'd rather matriculate the football and have my main guy catch 5 passes for 70 yards than a quick strike.

[b]Our offense and defense both thrive on ball control[/b]. Whilst the ability to score quickly is important, with our defense and running game, we aren't trying to score in 4 plays every drive.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='31 May 2010 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1275347979' post='416254']
Love it.....anyone that knows me knows that irks me so bad!!!
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wow what i really love is the fans that are more concerned with grammatical errors and being homers than facing whats important in the blog. 1000 yards for a good receiver in this league is no slouch but its nothing to be marveled at. You kids love this new football league yall are to young to know what real football was. Now if you would have got 1000 yards back in the day before the first 5 yard rules where implemented then i would say u accomplished something.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='31 May 2010 - 07:00 PM' timestamp='1275346828' post='416249']
I agree sir.....nice post
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How is that a nice post when he/she proved the point i was trying to make. If there are 22 players on average that reach the 1000 yard mark and 32 teams in the league that means all but 10 number ones will reach the 1000 yard mark. That's not taking in to account injuries to #1's or Rookie QB's learning a new system. I love when people cosign on nonsense.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='flynismo' date='31 May 2010 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1275340185' post='416201']
Horrible, ill-informed post. Sorry.

Q demanded double coverage constantly even as a #2 in AZ. And it is very obvious (well, to the rest of us apparently) why. The best WR in the league after the catch, a great route runner, a guy who is open even when he is covered because of his size and ability to outfight any DB in the game for the ball, his incredible hands and knack for catching passes he has no right to be catching, a fearsome player in the red zone. He is the complete package. He does not need to run a 4.25 being as amazing as he is after the catch...if you catch up to him, what are you going to do? Lay the hit stick on him? Good luck with that. Then there is what he brings to the table as a blocker....the only other guy in the league who can block like Q is Hines Ward. No one else in the league is even close to those two.

So what is the only knock you can possibly raise against Q? That he doesn't run as fast as Yamon Figurs or Jerome Mathis or Devery Henderson? If speed was so important, why did they suck so bad, and why is Q a perrenial Pro Bowler, and a future Hall Of Famer?

Yeah, 1000 yards seasons are nothing special...62.5 yards per game is okay, but not great. But it's a good thing Q averages a lot more than that. Look at his production. It speaks for itself. I haven't even bothered checking what his yards-per-game average is, because I know it is probably going to be around 80-82 yards per game. Which, by the way, puts him near, if not at the top in the entire league. Anquan can flat out dominate a game and win it for you singlehandedly, as he has proven many times over his career.

I can't believe that I actually have to defend ANQUAN BOLDIN'S status as an elite wide reciever.
But hey, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald and Reggie Wayne aren't any faster than Q and are not true deep threats, so clearly the are not true #1 recievers either!! Spread the news, before anyone else buys into the hype!
[/quote]79 plus yards per game is really good. Playing next to Fitz and over Breaston might be a large reason for some of that success. Kurt Warner throwing you the football can't hurt either. Look the bottom line is we got the guy for a 3th and 4th and you are defending him as a true one. Number One's go for number 1's or didn't someone tell u.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='07 June 2010 - 06:50 AM' timestamp='1275911458' post='418728']
People who don't think Boldin is a number one receiver clearly don't appreciate a blue collar receiver whom is very skilled. Tough, smart, great blocker, YAC machine.

And why is he not a number one receiver to some? Because he doesn't have speed to burn a corner. So what? I'd rather matriculate the football and have my main guy catch 5 passes for 70 yards than a quick strike.

[b]Our offense and defense both thrive on ball control[/b]. Whilst the ability to score quickly is important, with our defense and running game, we aren't trying to score in 4 plays every drive.
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Kinda like what I was saying before...it appears that if track speed were so important, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Wayne, Marshall and Colston never got the memo.

So much for the "you're not a #1 unless you have a flashy 40-" theory.

[Rice-Is-Nice]

I would say Boldin is one of the most underrated WRs in the NFL. [i]<No personal attacks>[/i]. Boldin is plenty fast for a WR, and his toughness and sure handedness more than make up for any big play ability he may be lacking. I think Boldin is a perfect #1 WR for how the Ravens are built. He's a possession guy who will get you those tough yards and keep opposing defenses on the field.

[berad]

[quote name='RBates' date='07 June 2010 - 11:12 AM' timestamp='1275923559' post='418770']
How is that a nice post when he/she proved the point i was trying to make. If there are 22 players on average that reach the 1000 yard mark and 32 teams in the league that means all but 10 number ones will reach the 1000 yard mark. That's not taking in to account injuries to #1's or Rookie QB's learning a new system. I love when people cosign on nonsense.
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I'm a [b]HE[/b] and my post was not non-sense, I take offense to that. As I said before, and you restated, [i]only[/i] about 22 players (including TEs) every year reach that plateau! That's an extremely small amount when you consider the hundreds of receivers and tight ends in the league, and Anquan Boldin has reached that mark consistently throughout his career. He is also the leader, of all the receivers in NFL history, in per-game yardage ([url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_g_career.htm"]LINK[/url]). Now, I don't understand where you derive your hate or doubt for Boldin, he's been a prolific receiver.

As you also pointed out, there are 32 teams in the NFL. And if only 22 players reach the 1000 yard mark, that means (on average) less than one player from each team will achieve it. How is that a small feat if Boldin has done it 6 times in 8 years, healthy or not?

And what do injuries or rookie QBs have to do with anything? Boldin has dealt with both, all NFL players do...

[berad]

[quote name='RBates' date='07 June 2010 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1275924191' post='418772']
[b]79 plus yards per game is really good.[/b] Playing next to Fitz and over Breaston might be a large reason for some of that success. Kurt Warner throwing you the football can't hurt either. Look the bottom line is we got the guy for a 3th and 4th and you are defending him as a true one. Number One's go for number 1's or didn't someone tell u.
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79 plus yards per game is the [b]BEST[/b]. The best of all-time ([url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_g_career.htm"]LINK, again[/url]). Anquan Boldin is at the top of the list...

You can thank Ed_Reed20 for bringing that to our attention, I believe it was him...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='berad' date='07 June 2010 - 11:54 AM' timestamp='1275926090' post='418785']
79 plus yards per game is the [b]BEST[/b]. The best of all-time ([url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_g_career.htm"]LINK, again[/url]). Anquan Boldin is at the top of the list...

You can thank Ed_Reed20 for bringing that to our attention, I believe it was him...
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It was.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RBates' date='07 June 2010 - 10:23 AM' timestamp='1275924191' post='418772']
79 plus yards per game is really good. Playing next to Fitz and over Breaston might be a large reason for some of that success. Kurt Warner throwing you the football can't hurt either. Look the bottom line is we got the guy for a 3th and 4th and you are defending him as a true one. Number One's go for number 1's or didn't someone tell u.
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Randy Moss went for even less than what we gave up for Boldin...or didn't someone tell you?
Santonio Holmes just went for a 5th.
I can come up with a hundred and one other trades where guys have been traded way over or under their actual talent level.

Boldin's elite, and a possible HOF...whether you agree or not doesn't change that.

[berad]

[quote name='flynismo' date='07 June 2010 - 01:21 PM' timestamp='1275931288' post='418827']
Randy Moss went for even less than what we gave up for Boldin...or didn't someone tell you?
Santonio Holmes just went for a 5th.
I can come up with a hundred and one other trades where guys have been traded way over or under their actual talent level.

Boldin's elite, and a possible HOF...whether you agree or not doesn't change that.
[/quote]

Agree 1000x times over!

Trade value and player ability are two entirely different things.

Ask Roy Williams in Dallas..