Idea: T.O. to Baltimore?

[RAYvenFan20]

i see no reason not to sign him for 1 year, make his conrtact full of incentives with the option the resign. we have the upper hand in not NEEDING him, he would know from the start that hes not guaranteed a spot (easy to cut a player with a 1 yr contract), that doesnt mean he wouldnt make us that much better. he is a cancer but its hard to be like that with the kind of locker room we have. with recent additions of boldin stallworth reed ptta n dickson, id say theres no reason to compromise on a contract with him... take it or leave it TO

[RavensAllTheWay]

I'll agree that signing TO wouldn't be any help unless someone like Boldin or Mason goes down and Riley, Smith, Harper or whoever steps in can't get it done as a replacement. There are positives and negatives with bringing TO in. It's all a matter of personal opinion. Do the positives like veteran instincts and big play capability outweigh the miniscule chance of him being a locker room cancer or him asking for too much money? I'm tied on this, but like I said. Realistically speaking, what are the chances we actually do bring him in?

[flynismo]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='24 May 2010 - 03:42 PM' timestamp='1274733736' post='413834']
I'll agree that signing TO wouldn't be any help unless someone like Boldin or Mason goes down and Riley, Smith, Harper or whoever steps in can't get it done as a replacement. There are positives and negatives with bringing TO in. It's all a matter of personal opinion. Do the positives like veteran instincts and big play capability outweigh the miniscule chance of him being a locker room cancer or him asking for too much money? I'm tied on this, but like I said. Realistically speaking, what are the chances we actually do bring him in?
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I like how you said there's a miniscule chance of him being a cancer, as if he is above that or doesn't have a long and illustrious history of doing exactly that

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='flynismo' date='24 May 2010 - 07:53 PM' timestamp='1274745181' post='413902']
I like how you said there's a miniscule chance of him being a cancer, as if he is above that or doesn't have a long and illustrious history of doing exactly that
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History is history, there's no need to live in the past. What did he do in Buffalo last season? Nothing media wise and nothing to make us hate his character.

Look, signing him would do nothing at all for this football team, but it wouldn't hurt us in anyway. The only way we'd need him or someone like him is if Mase or Boldin goes down, as I have already stated. But to downgrade his character even after he's kept his mouth shut the last two years and to use this as a reason not to sign him is pretty low. What makes you think he's not above it? It's all about what he can do for us to make us better (which is where his downfall begins), but character is overrated unless it prevents a guy from being able to play (i.e. Pacman Jones, Roethlisberger, Brandon Marshall) and threatens his career. TO does not fall under this category, nor the category of a loudmouth anymore.

[berad]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='24 May 2010 - 09:15 PM' timestamp='1274750110' post='413924']
History is history, there's no need to live in the past. What did he do in Buffalo last season? Nothing media wise and nothing to make us hate his character.

Look, signing him would do nothing at all for this football team, but it wouldn't hurt us in anyway. The only way we'd need him or someone like him is if Mase or Boldin goes down, as I have already stated. But to downgrade his character even after he's kept his mouth shut the last two years and to use this as a reason not to sign him is pretty low. What makes you think he's not above it? It's all about what he can do for us to make us better (which is where his downfall begins), but character is overrated unless it prevents a guy from being able to play (i.e. Pacman Jones, Roethlisberger, Brandon Marshall) and threatens his career. TO does not fall under this category, nor the category of a loudmouth anymore.
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One mildly quiet season does not erase an entire career of bad behavior.

You see this pattern in guys like Michael Irvin, Lawrence Taylor, Randy Moss, Deion Sanders, and many more. Heck, some of those guys are still getting in trouble [i]today[/i]. As Franchise said, you can't teach an old dog new tricks; and Terrell Owens is a pretty old dog.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='berad' date='24 May 2010 - 09:23 PM' timestamp='1274750587' post='413933']
One mildly quiet season does not erase an entire career of bad behavior.

You see this pattern in guys like Michael Irvin, Lawrence Taylor, Randy Moss, Deion Sanders, and many more. Heck, some of those guys are still getting in trouble [i]today[/i]. As Franchise said, you can't teach an old dog new tricks; and Terrell Owens is a pretty old dog.
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No it doesn't erase it. But let me ask you. Do you think that if TO were a Raven he'd be a locker room cancer to us? And secondly, does it really matter if he does have attitude issues or whatever? He can't hold us back because actions speak louder than words. He's not the reason the Cowboys choked in the 06 playoffs vs the Seahawks, nor in 07 nor in Philly in the season finale in 08. Nor is he the reason for the Bills sucking in 09. The only significant thing I could possibly picture him doing in Bmore is filling in relatively nicely for Boldin because Boldin is inury prone.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='24 May 2010 - 08:15 PM' timestamp='1274750110' post='413924']
History is history, there's no need to live in the past. What did he do in Buffalo last season? Nothing media wise and nothing to make us hate his character.

Look, signing him would do nothing at all for this football team, but it wouldn't hurt us in anyway. The only way we'd need him or someone like him is if Mase or Boldin goes down, as I have already stated. But to downgrade his character even after he's kept his mouth shut the last two years and to use this as a reason not to sign him is pretty low. What makes you think he's not above it? It's all about what he can do for us to make us better (which is where his downfall begins), but character is overrated unless it prevents a guy from being able to play (i.e. Pacman Jones, Roethlisberger, Brandon Marshall) and threatens his career. TO does not fall under this category, nor the category of a loudmouth anymore.
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Okay, we'll ignore his obvious character concerns, for arguments sake....

So, if as you say, we dont really gain anything by signing him, then what is the point of doing so? "Not hurting us" isnt good enough reason to bring a guy aboard, especially a guy that is seeking a reported $5M.

Just say NO to TO!

[berad]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='24 May 2010 - 09:36 PM' timestamp='1274751415' post='413939']
No it doesn't erase it. But let me ask you. Do you think that if TO were a Raven he'd be a locker room cancer to us? And secondly, does it really matter if he does have attitude issues or whatever? He can't hold us back because actions speak louder than words. He's not the reason the Cowboys choked in the 06 playoffs vs the Seahawks, nor in 07 nor in Philly in the season finale in 08. Nor is he the reason for the Bills sucking in 09. The only significant thing I could possibly picture him doing in Bmore is filling in relatively nicely for Boldin because Boldin is inury prone.
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Anquan Boldin is not 'injury prone' despite what many people may want you to believe. He's played roughly [url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoldAn00.htm"]85% of his games[/url] over his career, a figure that is comparable to Ray Lewis ([url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiRa00.htm"]87%[/url]). By that logic, Ray Lewis is, too, injury prone. We know he's not.

We already have depth at the receiver position and I would be much more inclined to place my faith in a current Raven if, heaven forbid, one of ours went down. TO may be more talented than our 3rd string receiver, but that's not a reason to sign a high-priced headache.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='flynismo' date='24 May 2010 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1274752687' post='413948']
Okay, we'll ignore his obvious character concerns, for arguments sake....

So, if as you say, we dont really gain anything by signing him, then what is the point of doing so? [b]"Not hurting us" isnt good enough reason to bring a guy aboard[/b], especially a guy that is seeking a reported $5M.

Just say NO to TO!
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I didn't say it was. In fact it's just the opposite. Saying "this guy won't be much help" is a great reason not to bring him in. This is the nfl. And if you're not working to make yourself better you're not being efficient.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Right now, all of the players on our roster, veteran and rookie alike, possess one thing these guys will never understand. The drive to be part of something bigger than themselves, the "Play Like A Raven" mentality that puts the team first and foremost.

T.O. has jumped from team to team throughout his career because the only thing he has ever cared about is himself. If he can't be the top dog, he will cause enough discourse that it would hinder our development as a team, as it has with most organizations he has played for, except for maybe Buffalo. The reality of it is he would never come here anyway! He would never settle for a #3 or #4 position. Especially when he's a legend in his own mind. As well, he could never become as important or as beloved as Ray is to his fans. Enough said!

A.T. is basically the same. He had his shot here in a system he excelled in, but decided to turn his back and walk away. He's made his choices, now he must live with them.

[berad]

Why are we arguing about Terrell Owens in the Adalius Thomas thread? Also, we are we [b]arguing[/b] if we all agree that he shouldn't come to Baltimore??

Moving the posts...

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='berad' date='24 May 2010 - 10:22 PM' timestamp='1274754120' post='413961']
Why are we arguing about Terrell Owens in the Adalius Thomas thread? Also, we are we [b]arguing[/b] if we all agree that he shouldn't come to Baltimore??

Moving the posts...
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Yeah. I guess I conquer.

[berad]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='24 May 2010 - 10:29 PM' timestamp='1274754546' post='413967']
Yeah. I guess I conquer.
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"Concur", or "conquer"? Those two have very different meanings haha.

If you meant "conquer", then [i]it's on![/i]

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='berad' date='24 May 2010 - 10:30 PM' timestamp='1274754648' post='413970']
"Concur", or "conquer"? Those two have very different meanings haha.

If you meant "conquer", then [i]it's on![/i]
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My mistake

[i]Mod Edit - updated my posting. And no problemo! No harm, no foul.[/i]

[Rinbee]

[quote name='flynismo' date='24 May 2010 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1274752687' post='413948']
Okay, we'll ignore his obvious character concerns, for arguments sake....

So, if as you say, we dont really gain anything by signing him, then what is the point of doing so? "Not hurting us" isnt good enough reason to bring a guy aboard, especially a guy that is seeking a reported $5M.

Just say NO to TO!
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Another NO to TO. I think we have enough veteran leadership (assuming TO would have any to offer) and signing him means another old guy taking a roster spot for an up and coming young receiver. If we had not landed Bolding I might be inclined to pull a Buffalo and give him a year to make a difference. Joe is cliking with his receivers, we have what appears to be a potent running attack, how many more snaps can we spare for someone who typically demands the spotlight and the ball?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

allow me to preface this statement by saying i do NOT think we should bring in TO. but... does anyone think that TO might whip into shape, take less money and a reduced roll in order to get a ring?? its the lass thing he needs to do to fulfill his legacy as one of the top WR (stat wise) of all time...

its a longshot, but we have seen guys like Ron Artest with the lakers and rasheed wallace with the pistons/celtics do so in order to get a ring. granted thats the NBA but who knows...

what do you think?

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='25 May 2010 - 12:26 AM' timestamp='1274761607' post='414021']
allow me to preface this statement by saying i do NOT think we should bring in TO. but... does anyone think that TO might whip into shape, take less money and a reduced roll in order to get a ring?? its the lass thing he needs to do to fulfill his legacy as one of the top WR (stat wise) of all time...

its a longshot, but we have seen guys like Ron Artest with the lakers and rasheed wallace with the pistons/celtics do so in order to get a ring. granted thats the NBA but who knows...

what do you think?
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Is T.O. a net gain for the Ravens? Nope. There's this assumption out there that he'll help whatever team he goes to, if he'd just accept less money or be a role player. He's just not good enough anymore and [i]still [/i]has all the baggage.

Maybe some team in the CFL needs a one-year drama queen.

[BloodRaven]

I'm glad Ozzie isn't stupid enough to try and sign him.

[Wacko4Zacko]

Boldin has #81, so no.

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='24 May 2010 - 03:32 PM' timestamp='1274729573' post='413800']
so what do you think? would you like to see TO in baltimore? Why or why not?

(and please dont just say hes a cancer)
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Nah, Ravens dont need him. He's a good #2 WR, but the Ravens already have that in Mason. He'd beat out everybody else on the team for the #3, but I dont see him accepting that role without having a bf

[WinnipegRaven]

If he'll take the rookie minimum and be slotted in @ #3 and play ST, then sure!

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' date='25 May 2010 - 11:36 AM' timestamp='1274801788' post='414125']
If he'll take the [b]rookie minimum[/b] and be slotted in @ #3 [b]and play ST[/b], then sure!
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You mean veteran minimum, right? Haha... I also like the fact that you want him to play on Special Teams.

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='25 May 2010 - 10:50 AM' timestamp='1274806251' post='414155']
You mean veteran minimum, right? Haha... I also like the fact that you want him to play on Special Teams.
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Nope, I mean the rookie min..... my reply was intended to be chalked fool o sarcasm.

[montanagrant]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='23 May 2010 - 01:08 PM' timestamp='1274641710' post='413379']
TO turned us down years ago so he could go the philly and get them into the NFC championship game. He's been controversial to say the least, at every stop hes made but there is no denying his talent and production. I think if any team can handle the ego and convince him to adopt a team first mentality its the ravens. i just think the aura that surrounds this team could change anyone into a role-model and with guys like ray lewis, mason, and boldin to put him in line or to show him he's not the best even on this team, i think for once he could concentrate on football, and only football.

he's always been a hard-worker, but his age and ego have left him without a team and for the most part without an offer. the longer this goes on the more his price tag will drop. im beginning to think a team could land him for a 1 yr 2 mill. or less type contract (whether he'll admit it or not) and for that price i think its a no brainer. even though we've solidified our corps i think itd be stupid to pass up a shot at him as we have the team to win now, and his on-field skills would make us better. the only question is would the off-field stuff make the team suffer.

I'd like to see him here if the price is low enough, and the committment is minimal. What do you think??
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[Chesapeake Bay Blue Crab]

We are fine without him.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' date='25 May 2010 - 01:01 PM' timestamp='1274806867' post='414160']
Nope, I mean the rookie min..... my reply was intended to be chalked fool o sarcasm.
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$325k?????? hahahahahahahaha!!!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='25 May 2010 - 11:33 PM' timestamp='1274848408' post='414478']
What? I thought T.O. aka T.Blow was going to Canada to play CFL for Eskymos?
Geez, can someone shut this down, please
It's time to Take Out the Trash, next please

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no disrespect, but why did you read and then reply to it?? it being open doesnt force you to acknowledge it... so instead of being negative toward other ravens fans, how about just expend energy on threads you deem "worthwhile".

seeing as though may is just ending, quite frankly i was a bit tired of the same old "what about our CB's" and "how about our new offense" and "how will the rookies be" which while im excited about the offense and rookies... we've talked them all to death. i appologize if my thread has caused any physical or emotional harm to you, but considering its among the most replied to threads as of late, it seems like its something people want to comment about.

MOST people have displayed why ravens fans are the best in the nfl with intelligent, well-constructed responses as opposed to what most fans of other teams do: using insults a 4 year old could contrive ("T-blow") and imposing their cyber-macho, nose raised attitude upon others with nothing to back it up.

i am not for TO, and i certainly am not for arguing on the internet, ESPECIALLY in a ravens FAN! forum... but when someone feels the need to put a stain on the greatness of our fanbase, im going to defend it. I am for healthy debate, good conversation, and unity. if you dont like something you have every right to ignore it.... but if this is so bad why did it warrent the time and energy it took to comment??

[WinnipegRaven]

We have endured enough of the "we need a WR threads".... Now that we FINALLY have a legit elite WR and a bit of depth at the position it's hard to endure even more of the "we need another WR" stuff is all. Its the equivalent of

All TO would do is eat up a roster spot or spell the end of Clayton

[T-ray]

People, the guy has a point. If its not worth your time and is truly something we've all seen over and over again, why in the world would we waste precious time in our lives complaining about why the thread is still open??? Seems to me that more than a 'couple' of fans still think this is a fresh topic, because there are plenty of responses on this thread, as you can tell by the 5 pages this takes up. I'm not trying to sound like a dumb***, but come on. Leave the guy alone haha.

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='T-ray' date='26 May 2010 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1274891610' post='414596']
People, the guy has a point.
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Our point is his point is moot. How many more WR's do we need? Talk about giving us some depth at DB and Ill be happy.
Last season we were all up in arms when it wasn't certain wether or not D-Mase would be back.... Well he is, not to mention the addition of Q and Stallworth. We picked up a WR in the draft and the rest of our WR/ST's are healthy....

What more do you want - Oh, T.O.

If we are to continue conversing this topic, lets get serious then....

How will we manage to fit T.O into the roster? Who would you cut to allow for T.O?

We have a team built around good character... T.O is not in keeping with this tradition.