Idea: T.O. to Baltimore?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='23 May 2010 - 04:31 PM' timestamp='1274650310' post='413455']
Sorry but T.O. has shown up in BIG Games including the Super Bowl where he played injured and still had over 100yds receiving. Also, he would have scored a touchdown if not injured which may have given Philly their first Super Bowl victory
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alright, so whats your take? do you think TO could help us win and if so would you want him as a raven??

[RayRiceRulez]

I personally would not mind TO being tried out at a camp, simply for the fact that he might (and i do mean might) be able to help out the team, which is my only real concern for this franchise. If they were to invite him in and not be impressed enough to sign him, or if he would just not be willing to be, at best, a #3 and (god forbid!) a special teams contributer, I would not be disappointed if he was not signed.

On the flip side, if the coaches liked him and his ego could stand it, I would not see anything wrong with adding someone who could make this team better.

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

we already have our 81

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='23 May 2010 - 04:44 PM' timestamp='1274647442' post='413429']
i get it... hes been a locker room cancer, but on teams with weak locker rooms.
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I would argue, however, that the Eagles were the only team that had a strong locker room out of all the teams Owens has played for in his career. Note the Eagles' consistent level of regular season success before and after Owens' tenure. For Owens to come in and destroy a team that had gone to consecutive NFC Championship games is damning evidence of how much of a cancer he was in his prime.

Though the belief is that he was a model player during his year in Buffalo, my relatives who are Bills fans have told me differently. They've gotten mixed results in their limited interactions with him at publicity appearances, and he wasn't exactly endearing to the media. Sure, any other man could and [i]should[/i] be humbled by the lack of interest Owens was shown in free agency -- but again, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Even if he's brought into a winning environment with the most disciplined locker room, he's still a rich man who's had a long history of childish outbursts. Money is the ultimate enabler when it comes to bad behavior. Though Owens has never been on a police blotter in his NFL career, his off-the-field antics can hurt just as much as a suspension for criminal behavior would, from a football standpoint. Why take a chance on a guy whose mouth prevents him from performing...even when he's [i]on[/i] the field?

[ellicottraven]

Great idea but thanks but not really - not now! Team chemistry is a delicate and fragile condition which we have striven hard to build - it doesn't take much to disrupt it and T.O. is too much baggage... The Ravens front office takes a lot into consideration prior to moving anybody in. If they thought T.O. could be had with no risk, they would have tried to get him - so their inaction regarding T.O. says it all.

[berad]

[quote name='ellicottraven' date='23 May 2010 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1274657071' post='413501']
Great idea but thanks but not really - not now! Team chemistry is a delicate and fragile condition which we have striven hard to build - it doesn't take much to disrupt it and T.O. is too much baggage... The Ravens front office takes a lot into consideration prior to moving anybody in. [b]If they thought T.O. could be had with no risk, they would have tried to get him - so their inaction regarding T.O. says it all.[/b]
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EXACTLY!
The Ravens haven't gotten him, so it's clear that they don't want him. Free agency has been going on for two and a half months, now. We've already added other new, talented receivers to the roster through trades, free agency, and the draft.

It's very simple: if the Ravens wanted Terrell Owens, they would have gotten him. There are no restrictions holding them back.

[TSizzle00]

I guess T.O will have to be dead before people stop talking about him coming to Baltimore

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

Almost daily there is some rumor about the next great fit for T O. The latest I read was from ESPN's insider that T O. might be the replacement for Santana Moss on the Redskins. I just wish someone other than the Ravens would hurry up and sign him so we dont have to hear anymore about him. That is until he destroys another teams chemistry.

[RavensUCfan]

Harbaugh won't take a player like that. We had one and he was cut. T.O. does not play well with others. If we are going to win a Championship, it will be as a team. We don't need a divided locker room of those that are invited to a T.O. birthday pary and those that are not. He is a cancer to the locker room. Perfect fit in Dallas, but not in Baltimore. I would rather have Williams and Clayton.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='23 May 2010 - 06:01 PM' timestamp='1274655678' post='413493']
I would argue, however, that the Eagles were the only team that had a strong locker room out of all the teams Owens has played for in his career. Note the Eagles' consistent level of regular season success before and after Owens' tenure. For Owens to come in and destroy a team that had gone to consecutive NFC Championship games is damning evidence of how much of a cancer he was in his prime.

Though the belief is that he was a model player during his year in Buffalo, my relatives who are Bills fans have told me differently. They've gotten mixed results in their limited interactions with him at publicity appearances, and he wasn't exactly endearing to the media. Sure, any other man could and [i]should[/i] be humbled by the lack of interest Owens was shown in free agency -- but again, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Even if he's brought into a winning environment with the most disciplined locker room, he's still a rich man who's had a long history of childish outbursts. Money is the ultimate enabler when it comes to bad behavior. Though Owens has never been on a police blotter in his NFL career, his off-the-field antics can hurt just as much as a suspension for criminal behavior would, from a football standpoint. Why take a chance on a guy whose mouth prevents him from performing...even when he's [i]on[/i] the field?
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well put...

only problem with it: i live in the philly burbs and have lived here for a bit and was here during TO's stop so im surrounded by eagles fans (i even root for them in certain circumstances)... and in my opinion no one here thinks TO was a cancer in the locker room and certainly didnt destroy the teams chemistry. from what i remember everyone liked him; only he and mcnabb butted heads and most viewed that as mcnabb being upset about TO getting a lot of the credit for their great season together. once mcnabb stepped out and spoke badly about TO is when the rift began.

i would argue that most people in philly liked TO when he was here, and like him now. since there have always been mixed emotions about mcnabb and whether he was the guy to lead the eagles, im sure you could find just as many people who place the guilt on mcnabb as do on TO

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='ellicottraven' date='23 May 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1274657071' post='413501']
Great idea but thanks but not really - not now! Team chemistry is a delicate and fragile condition which we have striven hard to build - it doesn't take much to disrupt it and T.O. is too much baggage... The Ravens front office takes a lot into consideration prior to moving anybody in. If they thought T.O. could be had with no risk, they would have tried to get him - so their inaction regarding T.O. says it all.
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the inaction argument in an interesting one, but one im not buying. i think the inaction by everyone is a league wide effort to shut TO up. some one will take him, but why give him the money he wants, when you can sit around and only give him the money he deserves. my point: IF the ravens were interested (and thats a big IF hah) why talk to him now whered theyd be forced to meet him somewhere in the middle, when they can wait around til the last minute and give him 3rd reciever money, the only role he could fill on this team.

if your counter will be, well if theyre interested they wouldnt wait around bc someone else will grab him for more $... and maybe your right, but to that I say (1) im not arguing the ravens are interested just wondering who thinks he could help us win and (2) if someone else offers more no big loss. not having him doesnt hurt us, but i think having him could (again a big could) help us. besides if another team bids, we have something no bidding team does... a chance at a super bowl. and the one thing TO's ego needs more than a big contract and a lot of catches is a ring.

[GuitarScott]

If Q didnt happen for us, I'd say "look" at TO. But since it happened, I don't really like the idea of having that much "experience" on our team. Given the uncapped year, who knows where he'll land. Not in Bmore though. I put TO in the same bin as Stover and McCalister.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='berad' date='23 May 2010 - 06:33 PM' timestamp='1274657613' post='413505']
EXACTLY!
The Ravens haven't gotten him, so it's clear that they don't want him. Free agency has been going on for two and a half months, now. We've already added other new, talented receivers to the roster through trades, free agency, and the draft.

It's very simple: if the Ravens wanted Terrell Owens, they would have gotten him. There are no restrictions holding them back.
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again, there is something holding everyone back. the $ that TO wants. why pay him what he wants when everyone can wait til last minute and he'll have to take much less or be done his career. at 37 if he sits one year hes done for good. no ones gonna take a 38 year old reciever whos sat out one year of football....

so no, i think youre wrong. i think there are pleanty of teams who want TO (not saying we're one) BUT no ones throwing offers bc he wants $5 mill. no ones paying that. come july or august he'll have to choose either $2 mill. or no more football

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='23 May 2010 - 10:03 PM' timestamp='1274666626' post='413571']
well put...

only problem with it: i live in the philly burbs and have lived here for a bit and was here during TO's stop so im surrounded by eagles fans (i even root for them in certain circumstances)... and in my opinion no one here thinks TO was a cancer in the locker room and certainly didnt destroy the teams chemistry. from what i remember everyone liked him; only he and mcnabb butted heads and most viewed that as mcnabb being upset about TO getting a lot of the credit for their great season together. once mcnabb stepped out and spoke badly about TO is when the rift began.

i would argue that most people in philly liked TO when he was here, and like him now. since there have always been mixed emotions about mcnabb and whether he was the guy to lead the eagles, im sure you could find just as many people who place the guilt on mcnabb as do on TO
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Similarly, I live in Eagles Country here in Delaware; granted, it's not nearly the same as being in the city in which the team plays, but many residents here have familial ties in Philly or commute there for work. That said, as much as you've seen your fellow Philadelphians put more blame on McNabb and grown to forgive T.O, there's a large majority of Eagles fans here who will never forgive Owens for what he had done.

From provoking a fistfight in the locker room to putting on a media circus in his driveway, it's hard not to say that Owens should deserve more of the blame in that situation. Though McNabb's ego is well-known and it is definitely arguable that he had a role in the rift being made public, it was Owens who blew up at McNabb on the sideline first and it was Owens who chose to draw attention to himself negatively.

The most damning piece of evidence that proves Owens is a locker room cancer? The fact that his reputation has preceded him at every additional stop along the way, and that his mouth has cost him each time. To paraphrase Owens' comments speculating on former teammate Jeff Garcia's sexuality, "If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat..."

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='23 May 2010 - 09:21 PM' timestamp='1274667704' post='413591']
Similarly, I live in Eagles Country here in Delaware; granted, it's not nearly the same as being in the city in which the team plays, but many residents here have familial ties in Philly or commute there for work. That said, as much as you've seen your fellow Philadelphians put more blame on McNabb and grown to forgive T.O, there's a large majority of Eagles fans here who will never forgive Owens for what he had done.

From provoking a fistfight in the locker room to putting on a media circus in his driveway, it's hard not to say that Owens should deserve more of the blame in that situation. Though McNabb's ego is well-known and it is definitely arguable that he had a role in the rift being made public, it was Owens who blew up at McNabb on the sideline first and it was Owens who chose to draw attention to himself negatively.

The most damning piece of evidence that proves Owens is a locker room cancer? The fact that his reputation has preceded him at every additional stop along the way, and that his mouth has cost him each time. To paraphrase Owens' comments speculating on former teammate Jeff Garcia's sexuality, "If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat..."
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i agree, TO's antics and attitude are a huge distraction and have been. i only wanted to point out that in philly esp. there was basically a divide, almost an even split in my opinion: half blamed TO and hated him/wanted him gone, the other half hated McNabb and have wanted him gone ever since.

i also dont want this forum to confuse anyone... I am not a TO fan, nor do i necessarily want him in baltimore. i was just growing tired of the same old same old CB situation, lets talk about the rookies (who now seem like vets we've discussed them so much), to drooling over the our new weapons... you get the idea. thought itd be fun to debate some new topics (though this is one that has been discussed almost every year).

and im only playing devils advocate in supplying examples as to why TO could be a good fit. i dont think he'd really accept a low contract just to win, even though he should. and i dont know that he'd chill out with the behavior issues just to be on a good team and win, even though he should. but they certainly are all possibilities.

i also was interested in seeing what the arguments could possibly be for either side, other than the obvious hes a cancer. i was hoping to see an argument based on performance, or his "type" of reciever not being a good fit given our current crop. but so far only the cancer argument has surfaced (aside from a few posts)

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='23 May 2010 - 10:36 PM' timestamp='1274668579' post='413598']
i agree, TO's antics and attitude are a huge distraction and have been. i only wanted to point out that in philly esp. there was basically a divide, almost an even split in my opinion: half blamed TO and hated him/wanted him gone, the other half hated McNabb and have wanted him gone ever since.

i also dont want this forum to confuse anyone... I am not a TO fan, nor do i necessarily want him in baltimore. i was just growing tired of the same old same old CB situation, lets talk about the rookies (who now seem like vets we've discussed them so much), to drooling over the our new weapons... you get the idea. thought itd be fun to debate some new topics (though this is one that has been discussed almost every year).

and im only playing devils advocate in supplying examples as to why TO could be a good fit. i dont think he'd really accept a low contract just to win, even though he should. and i dont know that he'd chill out with the behavior issues just to be on a good team and win, even though he should. but they certainly are all possibilities.

i also was interested in seeing what the arguments could possibly be for either side, other than the obvious hes a cancer. i was hoping to see an argument based on performance, or his "type" of reciever not being a good fit given our current crop. but so far only the cancer argument has surfaced (aside from a few posts)
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No offense but considering T.O. won't be coming here, does the "why" really matter?

[Guest maryland1]

Seems like we've come full circle on this topic.
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[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='23 May 2010 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1274669057' post='413601']
No offense but considering T.O. won't be coming here, does the "why" really matter?
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i suppose not, but with that line of thinking we shouldnt discuss anything bc we dont know what the front office is going to do about anything until they say so. and we shouldnt discuss the new offense bc we dont know how theyll perform til they play, and we should discuss the CB's bc who knows they could turn out great, and we shouldnt discuss the D bc theyll be as great as always....

i mean no TO probably isnt coming, but its a debate. we know that we dont know anything about whats going to happen in the season yet, so we shouldnt talk about it???

no offense either (and none taken btw) but like i said, with that thinking we shouldnt talk about anything unless we know its going to happen, and since we dont know anything until it does, we should only talk about things after the fact? and if thats the only time we can talk about them then whats the point bc we already know.

[theFRANCHISE]

If you're looking strictly at production, there's a notable regression in the past three seasons.

After a decent outing in his first two years with the Cowboys at age 33 and 34, Owens has regressed since that second year.

Age 34: 81 catches, 1355 yards, 15 TDs
Age 35: 69 catches, 1052 yards, 10 TDs
Age 36: 55 catches, 829 yards, 5 TDs

Granted, to post over 1000 yards receiving and double-digit TDs is impressive at age 35 -- but if the numbers start to dip, a trend usually follows. Sure, Owens was mired in a horrible offense in Buffalo last season...but he also played all 16 games and could have turned things around if he was the same superstar WR that he believes he still is.

To subject an ego like Owens to a young QB like Flacco, [i]and[/i] to have Owens face his own mortality, equivalent to a mid-life crisis in the NFL? That's just a recipe for disaster.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='maryland1' date='23 May 2010 - 09:51 PM' timestamp='1274669518' post='413604']
Seems like we've come full circle on this topic.
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yes... we have. but i made the forum so if ppl want to keep posting ill comment out of respect. itll be here whether you check back or not.... if youre done with the topic you dont have to check it out....

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='23 May 2010 - 11:01 PM' timestamp='1274670075' post='413608']
yes... we have. but i made the forum so if ppl want to keep posting ill comment out of respect. itll be here whether you check back or not.... if youre done with the topic you dont have to check it out....
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I have to give you all the props. You have definately been very respectful of everyone who responded to your initial post. I have been reading everyones responses and believe me everyone has been taking it easy over the topic. This isnt the first time T O or A T has been discussed. Thats ok though. Keep up the positive talk. Its better than a lot of the negativity I read on here every day.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='23 May 2010 - 10:05 PM' timestamp='1274670353' post='413609']
I have to give you all the props. You have definately been very respectful of everyone who responded to your initial post. I have been reading everyones responses and believe me everyone has been taking it easy over the topic. This isnt the first time T O or A T has been discussed. Thats ok though. Keep up the positive talk. Its better than a lot of the negativity I read on here every day.
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thank you for the kind words... and yes i would prefer to be positive and respectful to all ravens fans as we should be one big fan family. the ravens deserve a unified fan base who have one goal: supporting this team thats been so great to us!

these topics are meant for fun and to generate excitement or simply just discussion going into the new season, and thats all i intend to do... not bicker needlessly with other fans in forums which have no real meaning.

this may sound a bit lame, but if you have to be negative towards other people in a ravens fan forum... youve got some issues. its online, and a bunch of people you dont know

[Guest maryland1]

[size="2"]It was not my intent to be disrespectful and apologize if I came across that way. You did well in presenting your views and opinions and being respectful to those of others in this thread.

I don’t see T.O. bringing anything positive to this organization or being worth taking a chance on. Declining performance, locker room issues, I/me attitude, etc., all keep me from even remotely considering him. He’s not the kind of player I would want around Flacco and our other young up-and-coming players.[/size]

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='maryland1' date='23 May 2010 - 10:29 PM' timestamp='1274671793' post='413612']
[size="2"]It was not my intent to be disrespectful and apologize if I came across that way. You did well in presenting your views and opinions and being respectful to those of others in this thread.

I don’t see T.O. bringing anything positive to this organization or being worth taking a chance on. Declining performance, locker room issues, I/me attitude, etc., all keep me from even remotely considering him. He’s not the kind of player I would want around Flacco and our other young up-and-coming players.[/size]
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thank you for articulating your argument. thats all i was looking for... i am just trying to promote conversation and healthy debate as opposed to emotional responses and unsupported emotional claims.

i did not take offense to your comment, nor did i mean to come off that way. i was just explaining why the forum has continued, in that if someone wants to post a new comment i will do my best to address it respectfully as i am the one responsible for its creation. id hate to take the time and make a post only to have it go unnoticed or not given the same attention as anyone elses, so im doing my best to address everyone.

thanks again for your post and further supporting your opinion

[Ravenfano3]

Beyond the locker room questions, I would still say no to TO. Like i think the OP stated, he would be the #3 slot guy for us at best, and that's simply not the type of WR that he is. It's no secret that he has had a bit of the "dropsies" over the past few seasons, and living with my brother who is a huge cowboys fan, i got to see much more of TO than i liked, lol. But one thing that i noticed was that a lot of his drops came going across the middle, losing concnetration when he was close to being hit. If he is afraid to go over the middle, then he is no good in the slot, imo.

All that being said, i do also think he is terrible for the locker room too. I think it was Franchise who said that everywhere he has gone, he has left with hard feelings, be it SF, Philly, or Dallas, and i'm hearing some of that from buffalo too. If you look at the track record, it seems that after the 2nd year with a team is when he starts to run his mouth, as in philly in dallas. He never had that second season in buffalo.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

Caught myself watching Any Given Sunday today. You know the movie with Al Pacino and Jamie Fox? After watching this movie for like the tenth time over the past few years I noticed a player (reciever) that was inconsistant catching the ball. Make a good one, make a bad one. This dude seemed to have a bad attitude also. Not always but you could see he wanted the ball more than he was getting it. Guess who? T.O was the man. Just goes to show you no matter where the dude plays there is always something going on.

[Nobi]

I would love to see T.O. go to the Redskins. Reunited with McNabb to potentially end their careers together... it would be awesome to see things go full circle. The Skins need WR's bad too, I guarantee if Allen and Shanahan weren't there Snyder wouldve already pulled the Trigger.

[BloodRaven]

Honestly, I don't want that old freakshow anywhere near our team.

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='23 May 2010 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1274647215' post='413428']
T.O. is [i]not[/i] a locker room cancer. He was humbled by bad press and the move to Buffalo, and he's been a model teammate ever since the end of the 08 season.

[b]More importantly, the Ravens -- a team with arguably the best receiving corps in the NFL -- do not need another receiver, particularly an aging one.

Our #1, #2, and #3 are some of the best in the business. [/b]

And with Demetrius Williams, Mark Clayton, and Kelly Washington we have fantastic depth at the position -- there's just no room or need for Owens.

So, should we get T.O.?

Last Year: . . . Yeah, why not.
This Year: Hell No!
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Let's not get crazy here. The receiving core is better, but not even top 5 right now

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='Whitty Hutton' date='24 May 2010 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1274728925' post='413797']
Let's not get crazy here. The receiving core is better, but not even top 5 right now
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so what do you think? would you like to see TO in baltimore? Why or why not?

(and please dont just say hes a cancer)