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[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='25 June 2010 - 02:05 PM' timestamp='1277489109' post='426379']
I know it's like beating a dead horse, but what about Jamaal Charles or Ryan Mathews. I'm stuck between the two and I need someone other than a writer to give some advice lol. They're both available at the same time around the 3rd or 4th.
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I thought both were going in the second round? I haven't done any mock drafts so I wouldn't know. Shoot if you can get one in the second and the other in the third I would love that.

Matthews: Getting plenty of touches and with the passing offense of the chargers I see 1200 yards 7 tds rushing, 400 yards receiving 30-40 catches. He is the safe bet. No real good backup hurts him. Sproles isn't an every down back that you can replace Matthews with if he gets hurt which could hurt you around playoff time

Charles: Explosive. Averaged over 5.5 yards per carry and had 4 30+ runs last year (Chris Johnson had 7, and Charles didn't start carrying the load till later in the season). Charles is a better runner than Matthews but the only question is touches. I've heard 60-40%, where charles gets 60% and Jones gets 40%. But the same writer thinks that Charles should get 260 touches. That is the worst case senerio for touches. And Jones is a great backup if Charles gets hurt.

My conclusion: I was thinking this but a writer on ESPN (I forget who it was) said the same thing in an article. Charles has the same makings to be what Chris Johnson was last year (actually the writer said he doesn't see much of a difference in Chris Johnson and Charles, if that makes a difference at all). Johnson had similar statistics and people said the same thing about touches with Fat White taking carries from Johnson. The best rb will get carries. And I think that will be Charles. I'm taking Charles, but in a non ppr I might be inclined to take Matthews. Actually na, who am I kidding, I'm taking Charles. I just think he is going to be great.

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Mathews gets the nod over Charles based on the amount of touches he'll get. However, Charles is as good a big-play threat as anyone in the league.

Depending on the league size both should be go off the board somewhere in Rounds 2 to 4.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2010 - 10:25 AM' timestamp='1277490312' post='426393']
I thought both were going in the second round? I haven't done any mock drafts so I wouldn't know. Shoot if you can get one in the second and the other in the third I would love that.

Matthews: Getting plenty of touches and with the passing offense of the chargers I see 1200 yards 7 tds rushing, 400 yards receiving 30-40 catches. He is the safe bet. No real good backup hurts him. Sproles isn't an every down back that you can replace Matthews with if he gets hurt which could hurt you around playoff time

Charles: Explosive. Averaged over 5.5 yards per carry and had 4 30+ runs last year (Chris Johnson had 7, and Charles didn't start carrying the load till later in the season). Charles is a better runner than Matthews but the only question is touches. I've heard 60-40%, where charles gets 60% and Jones gets 40%. But the same writer thinks that Charles should get 260 touches. That is the worst case senerio for touches. And Jones is a great backup if Charles gets hurt.

My conclusion: I was thinking this but a writer on ESPN (I forget who it was) said the same thing in an article. Charles has the same makings to be what Chris Johnson was last year (actually the writer said he doesn't see much of a difference in Chris Johnson and Charles, if that makes a difference at all). Johnson had similar statistics and people said the same thing about touches with Fat White taking carries from Johnson. The best rb will get carries. And I think that will be Charles. I'm taking Charles, but in a non ppr I might be inclined to take Matthews. Actually na, who am I kidding, I'm taking Charles. I just think he is going to be great.
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Nope. Both are slated for middle of the third. I was actually thinking the same thing. Take Andre/Moss in the first, then pick Mathews in the second with Charles in the third. I know that's a dream scenario, but you never know.

I'm trusting these writers with their opinions, but how can they be so sure? Thomas Jones is an absolute beast, although I do wonder how much his body can take with all of the carries he's gotten over the past two or three years. If he were to go down, Charles has no competition whatsoever, then you're [i]really[/i] looking at CJ 2.0

Mathews is tempting, but it's just that he's a rookie, and no rookie should go as high as the third, but he will. I would never be able to get him in the 5th which would be great value, so if I want him, I have to bite a little earlier which will leave my WR situation shaky. If anyone honestly thinks Sproles will take away goal lines from Mathews, then I don't know what to say. He'll also be heavily involved in the pass game which will only help, even though I don't play PPR. But hey, instead of trying to pick which one, why can't I have both? Lol.

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[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='25 June 2010 - 03:06 PM' timestamp='1277492779' post='426425']
Nope. Both are slated for middle of the third. I was actually thinking the same thing. Take Andre/Moss in the first, then pick Mathews in the second with Charles in the third. I know that's a dream scenario, but you never know.

I'm trusting these writers with their opinions, but how can they be so sure? Thomas Jones is an absolute beast, although I do wonder how much his body can take with all of the carries he's gotten over the past two or three years. If he were to go down, Charles has no competition whatsoever, then you're [i]really[/i] looking at CJ 2.0

Mathews is tempting, but it's just that he's a rookie, and no rookie should go as high as the third, but he will. I would never be able to get him in the 5th which would be great value, so if I want him, I have to bite a little earlier which will leave my WR situation shaky. If anyone honestly thinks Sproles will take away goal lines from Mathews, then I don't know what to say. He'll also be heavily involved in the pass game which will only help, even though I don't play PPR. But hey, instead of trying to pick which one, why can't I have both? Lol.
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Well if you want the for sure thing I would go Matthews in the third and if you cant get charles look for Pierre Thomas. He is explosive, not as explosive as Charles but I love Thomas but the same question arises with Thomas as Charles. Will Thomas get enough touches? I think he will since Mike Bell isn't there.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4617

If Charles is healthy he will get the majority of the carries. And I think he will be healthy. I'm all for risk reward. And the reward could be beautiful if Charles works out. Then again could be bad if he doesnt.... Thats the beauty of fantasy football

[Romo Ravens]

I had Pierre last year thinking that it was a bulletproof steal. I still do, but Mike Bell doesn't. I'm leaning towards taking him again, but he would be my third RB, which is a great investment. I can get him in about the late 4th.

Charles sounds tempting man. If I could get my hands on the next Chris Johnson in the fourth round, that would be like wow lol. Thank you for all the info you've provided, I'm definitely working on my board today.

What's everyone stocking up on this year, RB's or WR's?

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[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='25 June 2010 - 03:21 PM' timestamp='1277493693' post='426435']
I had Pierre last year thinking that it was a bulletproof steal. I still do, but Mike Bell doesn't. I'm leaning towards taking him again, but he would be my third RB, which is a great investment. I can get him in about the late 4th.

Charles sounds tempting man. If I could get my hands on the next Chris Johnson in the fourth round, that would be like wow lol. Thank you for all the info you've provided, I'm definitely working on my board today.

What's everyone stocking up on this year, RB's or WR's?
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God I feel like a loser when I talk fantasy football haha but I just love it so much.

RB-CJ,AP,MJD,Rice, Gore, Deangelo (only if I can get Stewart too and I only pick them if I have late first round), Charles, Matthews, Pierre Thomas, Ronnie (only if I can get Ricky too, the double back combo is sick for flex play and consistency for the rb position all year), Ben Tate (I love this kid, just got a feeling), Montario Hardesty, Michael bush (maybe)

Non-ppr- I love Shonn Greene, Michael Turner

WR-Andre Johnson, Moss (apparently he had a seperated shoulder from weeks 6-17 and averaged a td and 90 yards a game, but I am still hesitant on him), Calvin, Roddy White(White and Calvin had so many looks last year and that will continue to this year), Crabtree (he got 900 yards and 5 tds and didn't go to training camp or play till week 6, kids a boss), Chaz Schilens (hopefully he is healthy), Devin Aromashodu (Martz makes a huge difference in the passing game), Malcom Floyd (get this guy for sure)

qb-Rodgers, Schaub, Romo, Rivers (They all you can get with great value and don't have to worry about being sat when fantasy playoffs come around), Flacco, Ryan, Cutler (I know, I know. But Martz makes a huge difference)

busts-Steven Jackson, Vincent Jackson, Moreno, Forte, McFadden, Holmes/any jets receiver.

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[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2010 - 03:15 PM' timestamp='1277493332' post='426429']
Well if you want the for sure thing I would go Matthews in the third and if you cant get charles look for [b]Pierre Thomas. He is explosive, not as explosive as Charles but I love Thomas but the same question arises with Thomas as Charles. Will Thomas get enough touches? I think he will since Mike Bell isn't there.[/b]

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4617

If Charles is healthy he will get the majority of the carries. And I think he will be healthy. I'm all for risk reward. And the reward could be beautiful if Charles works out. Then again could be bad if he doesnt.... Thats the beauty of fantasy football
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I love the PT Bruiser. Hopefully Payton doesn't promote Lynell Hamilton to the "Bell position" aka TD vulture this year. It's good for real life football as it keeps Pierre fresh but it's a fantasy pain.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='25 June 2010 - 03:33 PM' timestamp='1277494410' post='426447']
I love the PT Bruiser. Hopefully Payton doesn't promote Lynell Hamilton to the "Bell position" aka TD vulture this year. It's good for real life football as it keeps Pierre fresh but it's a fantasy pain.
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Pierre Thomas has great potiential. He gets in the endzone and is explosive. Perfect for fantasy football. I don't know why they don't use him more (I heard he might have had injury problems last year but I don't know). A team can spell a back to keep him healthy and still give them touches. I don't know what the deal with that is about.

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[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2010 - 03:43 PM' timestamp='1277495009' post='426457']
Pierre Thomas has great potiential. He gets in the endzone and is explosive. Perfect for fantasy football. I don't know why they don't use him more (I heard he might have had injury problems last year but I don't know). A team can spell a back to keep him healthy and still give them touches. I don't know what the deal with that is about.
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He did battle an MCL issue for a little while but even after he'd proven he was over the injury, Payton denied him touches.

I'll still draft him if I can this year.

[Romo Ravens]

Hahaha just as long as it's football, don't feel like a loser.

I love FF so much because it consists of my three favorite things: Football, comptetion and money. It can't get any better than that.

Your position ranks are very similar to mine. I am very high on Moss this year. Contract year, Brady one removed from his injury, Welker is out. It just seems like a great year is ahead for Moss. Not to high on Fitzgerald though or Beanie Wells. With Warner retired, defenses can just stack the box. I don't know why so many people consider Wells a sleeper. I don't like Greene either. Having a spectacular playoff run shouldn't put you in the top 10-12, but maybe it's just because I think the Jets are the most overrated team in the NFL.

I want me some Andre or Turner this year, please lol.

As for Pierre, do you guys think he finally breaks into that top 5 category everyone's been waiting for him to be in?

Crabtree is a deep sleeper as well, and the same goes for Mike Wallace. I want both in my ESPN league.

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[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='25 June 2010 - 04:01 PM' timestamp='1277496106' post='426468']

I want me some Andre or Turner this year, please lol.

As for Pierre, do you guys think he finally breaks into that top 5 category everyone's been waiting for him to be in?

Crabtree is a deep sleeper as well, and the same goes for Mike Wallace. I want both in my ESPN league.
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I like Turner but in ppr he doesn't get catches which hurts him.

I think Thomas is top 10. I think he has Frank Gore ceiling. But i think he could be solid.

You don't think Big ben being out will hurt Wallace? Then it's tough for a qb to jump back in and be successful and not be rusty

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[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='25 June 2010 - 04:01 PM' timestamp='1277496106' post='426468']
As for Pierre, do you guys think he finally breaks into that top 5 category everyone's been waiting for him to be in?

Crabtree is a deep sleeper as well, and the same goes for Mike Wallace. I want both in my ESPN league.
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I don't think Pierre will put up top 5 numbers because of the talent around him and Payton's love of dividing carries. He'll win you some match-ups though.

I wouldn't call Crabtree or Wallace "deep" sleepers. Both are clearly the most talented WRs on their rosters and fantasy players are wise to that.

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[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2010 - 04:09 PM' timestamp='1277496563' post='426471']
I like Turner but in ppr he doesn't get catches which hurts him.

You don't think Big ben being out will hurt Wallace? Then it's tough for a qb to jump back in and be successful and not be rusty
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That's my major knock on Turner, he doesn't rack up targets. Hardly something I want in ppr league. I won't draft him in the 1st but he'll be gone in the second.

Wallace I picked up early last year and he saved my butt a few times. It'll be interesting to see how he plays against the better corner backs. They really like him in Pittsburgh, but it just seems like the Steelers want to feature the run this year. But then again their WR core isn't very deep either. Wallace should get plenty of targets.

Rothlisberger is out for a while, no more Holmes. I doubt Rothlisberger will be chucking huge yardage this season. Mendenhall is a guy I'd take before Turner this season. If I have a late 1st or early 2nd, I might take Mendenhall. He's in an excellent position to succeed and get attempts.

[Romo Ravens]

Turner is perfect for me because it isn't PPR sland TD's get you crazy points.

As for Wallace, nope. Leftwich has a good arm and Wallace has the speed to beat people deep. If Ben's suspension is changed to four weeks, which I believe it will be, Wallace can step into WR2 with ease. Of course this is all my opinion. Wallace even said that with or without Ben, he wants a Pro Bowl nod. I'm a believer.

ER20, I wrote that in a hurry because food was on my mind, and when I got off, I thought it was silly to call them "deep" sleepers, but I think you know what I mean. Sleepers as in Crabtree might be considered as a WR1 this year with Wallace being close behind. I also like Nicks this year as well.

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[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='25 June 2010 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1277498547' post='426500']
ER20, I wrote that in a hurry because food was on my mind, and when I got off, I thought it was silly to call them "deep" sleepers, but I think you know what I mean. Sleepers as in Crabtree might be considered as a WR1 this year with Wallace being close behind. [b]I also like Nicks this year as well.[/b]
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I'm liking Nicks too. He should have big year.

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[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='25 June 2010 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1277498547' post='426500']
Turner is perfect for me because it isn't PPR sland TD's get you crazy points.

As for Wallace, nope. Leftwich has a good arm and Wallace has the speed to beat people deep. If Ben's suspension is changed to four weeks, which I believe it will be, Wallace can step into WR2 with ease. Of course this is all my opinion. Wallace even said that with or without Ben, he wants a Pro Bowl nod. I'm a believer.

ER20, I wrote that in a hurry because food was on my mind, and when I got off, I thought it was silly to call them "deep" sleepers, but I think you know what I mean. Sleepers as in Crabtree might be considered as a WR1 this year with Wallace being close behind. I also like Nicks this year as well.
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Well money for turner. If you could get Turner, first round, Greene second, then qb third (like a Rivers or Schaub), and then wr (Desean would be a great non ppr), wr (Crabtree would be a good here). I would love your team then.

Depends where Wallace falls for me. I'm just not sold on Steelers players. Holmes burned me a few years ago so I'm still bitter. Never trust a steeler...

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='25 June 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1277498806' post='426503']
I'm liking Nicks too.
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But I hate eli. What's your reasoning for Nicks.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2010 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1277498874' post='426504']
Well money for turner. If you could get Turner, first round, Greene second, then qb third (like a Rivers or Schaub), and then wr (Desean would be a great non ppr), wr (Crabtree would be a good here). I would love your team then.

Depends where Wallace falls for me. I'm just not sold on Steelers players. Holmes burned me a few years ago so I'm still bitter. Never trust a steeler...
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That would be a beast team. But where's my cousin Tony?

I actually drafted Mendenhall when he was a rookie. It would have worked out if it was a year later lol. I hate the Steelers as much as any Raven fan, but if I think someone can get me a lot of points, I just can't pass on them.

[Romo Ravens]

Nicks is the most explosive WR they have. Steve Smith is the PPR WR, but his YPC aren't that great, and he isn't a red zone threat. Nicks will also step in to the starting position because Manningham will be seeing punt returns.

Think DeSean Jackson but with a little less speed.

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[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2010 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1277498926' post='426506']
But I hate eli. What's your reasoning for Nicks.
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Smith is Eli's safety blanket but Nicks is best big-play threat the Giants have. I remember the SNF game against Philly where he dropped a deep ball but had an incredible catch and run for a TD on the same drive.([url="http://www.giantsgab.com/2010/05/14/do-you-remember-hakeem-nicks-redemption/"]Here's the play[/url])

Hixon is out for the season, Moss and Barden are non-factors and Manningham has inconsistent hands. Nicks should light it up.

[XxSizzleXx]

Great play but that's what you get with Asante Samuel who likes to take chances, you have to credit Manning as he put that ball in a great spot for Hicks.

[ZIBBY28]

1. AP
2. CJ
3. MJD
4. Rice
5. Gore
6. Turner
7. A. Johnson
8. S-Jax
9. A. Rodgers
10. Moss