Fantasy Football Top 10?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='23 June 2010 - 09:49 PM' timestamp='1277344193' post='425428']
Pu, I've been using your strategy in different mocks, and I really like the outcome. I've noticed that if I want Flacco, I have to sacrifice certain players so I can pick him in the 6th and keep him. After the 5th round, keepers can be selected for the next year.

I'm able to get Romo late 3rd, early 4th, so that's really helping. I've been able to select Turner sometimes at even number 9, while I can get Moss two picks later in the 2nd. If I have an earlier first round pick, I'm looking to pick up Calvin Johnson in the latter part of the 2nd.

In my mocks, I now have a number one in each category: 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1TE (obviously) then my OP will be a QB. I can't wait for my ESPN draft...
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So your learning not to bite on the early Stud QB and still coming away with a stud RB and WR. You'll find the picks at QBs in middle rounds are still very good options. While RBs in the middle rounds your grasping for straws.

Turner, Moss/C Johnson and Romo would make a pretty good combination.

Speaking of Calvin, he should drop in drafts from last year. The man was a top 15 in targets. The Lions aren't the same joke as before. I like the probability of one of my teams snagging him at a discount.

[Romo Ravens]

I did a mock today for ESPN. It was a 10 team league. Anyway, I used some of the strategies you guys have given me, and I incorporated some of my own as well. Please take a look at my team and tell me how I did.

Note- Keep in mind, I drafted based off of my keeper selection (Ray Rice).

QB Tony Romo
RB Chris Johnson
RB Ryan Mathews
RB/WR Ray Rice/Mike Sims-Walker
WR Calvin Johnson
WR Anquan Boldin
TE Owen Daniels
OP Joe Flacco
D/ST Ravens
K ?

I left in like round 11, so I didn't finish. I did have Mike Wallace on my bench though. How did I do?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='24 June 2010 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1277414711' post='425976']
I did a mock today for ESPN. It was a 10 team league. Anyway, I used some of the strategies you guys have given me, and I incorporated some of my own as well. Please take a look at my team and tell me how I did.

Note- Keep in mind, I drafted based off of my keeper selection (Ray Rice).

QB Tony Romo
RB Chris Johnson
RB Ryan Mathews
RB/WR Ray Rice/Mike Sims-Walker
WR Calvin Johnson
WR Anquan Boldin
TE Owen Daniels
OP Joe Flacco
D/ST Ravens
K ?

I left in like round 11, so I didn't finish. I did have Mike Wallace on my bench though. How did I do?
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Pretty damn good for a 10 team league. Only note: Be careful with being a homer and loading up with too many Ravens. It will cost you no matter how good the players are.

Since you nabbed Boldin - I would've looked at another option for 2nd QB. Unless you got an unbelievable steal for Flacco.

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Romo, which round did you pick up Daniels?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='PuRock' date='24 June 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1277416214' post='426007']
Pretty damn good for a 10 team league. Only note: Be careful with being a homer and loading up with too many Ravens. It will cost you no matter how good the players are.

Since you nabbed Boldin - I would've looked at another option for 2nd QB. Unless you got an unbelievable steal for Flacco.
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Thanks man. I try not to load up with all of my favorites, but it just happens without me thinking haha. Since I started with the number one pick, I picked up Flacco with the first pick in the 7th. In my real league, I'd give him the 6th, maybe even the 5th. I also got Boldin to start out the 5th. After that, it went like this: Ochocinco, Gates, Crabtree, PT Cruiser, Rivers, R. Williams, Bowe, Schaub then V. Davis.

No way will Schaub be available in the 5th in my real league. I really, really, [i]really[/i] want Crabtree this year, and will probably pass on Boldin if he's there when I pick.

ER20, I picked up Daniels in the 8th with the very last pick. After that, to start the 9th, I picked Mike Wallace.

The last TE with starting value was Kellen Winslow. After that, there was a huge dropoff. I can't start John Carlson again in my real league this year lol.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='24 June 2010 - 07:26 PM' timestamp='1277421971' post='426052']
ER20, I picked up Daniels in the 8th with the very last pick. After that, to start the 9th, I picked Mike Wallace.

The last TE with starting value was Kellen Winslow. After that, there was a huge dropoff. I can't start John Carlson again in my real league this year lol.
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Daniels in the 8th is cool. I won't draft him but that's just me.

Carlson is a TE2 with #1 upside in my opinion. I can't remember who exactly but blocking TEs have been brought in to allow Carlson to do what he does best which is catching passes, as opposed to last year when he was forced to block.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='24 June 2010 - 03:38 PM' timestamp='1277422693' post='426059']
Daniels in the 8th is cool. I won't draft him but that's just me.

Carlson is a TE2 with #1 upside in my opinion. I can't remember who exactly but blocking TEs have been brought in to allow Carlson to do what he does best which is catching passes, as opposed to last year when he was forced to block.
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Carlson messed up our relationship last year, lol. But I would draft him as a backup.

So if it were Daniels, Winslow, Carlson or Cooley, you wouldn't take Owen?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='24 June 2010 - 10:17 PM' timestamp='1277432263' post='426129']
Carlson messed up our relationship last year, lol. But I would draft him as a backup.

[b]So if it were Daniels, Winslow, Carlson or Cooley, you wouldn't take Owen?[/b]
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I would've already drafted a TE.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='24 June 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1277432665' post='426131']
I would've already drafted a TE.
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Hahaha! How do you rank them this year?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='24 June 2010 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1277434711' post='426155']
Hahaha! How do you rank them this year?
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Haven't given much thought to the rankings but off the top of my head, my Top 10 would be:

1) Gates
2) Clark
3) Davis
4) Finley
5) Celek
6) Witten
7) Gonzalez
8) Winslow
9) Schiancoe
10) Miller

[Romo Ravens]

That's looking like mine as well. I'd put Clark ahead of Gates though. I'm also not too high on Vernon this year.

I do think Finley and Celek are primed for great years.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='24 June 2010 - 11:31 PM' timestamp='1277436688' post='426174']
That's looking like mine as well. I'd put Clark ahead of Gates though. I'm also not too high on Vernon this year.

I do think Finley and Celek are primed for great years.
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Only reason I have Gates #1 is because V-Jax is going to miss time meaning Antonio will be in line for some serious targets early on.

The Duke probably won't repeat what he did last year but his athleticism alone should allow him to have another big season.

Celek had his breakout season last year(I owned him in two leagues) and he should continue to make plays. Finley's potential is sky-high.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='24 June 2010 - 10:24 PM' timestamp='1277432665' post='426131']
I would've already drafted a TE.
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I concur. It was listed as one of my drafting techniques.

Start the TE frenzy.

I had Clark last year and he was incredible. If I had to choose from the best of the best. I'd go with Clark again. Peyton loves him and he loves looking his way on short touchdown passes. I feel like Gates gets bruised up too easily nowadays and he's always playing with some injury that's lingering. But he's still #2 on my board.

1. Dallas Clark
2. Gates
3. Vernon Davis
4. Brent Celek (Kolb hit it off with this guy last year)
5. Gonzales

[Romo Ravens]

So what round should the TE frenzy start?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' date='24 June 2010 - 11:39 PM' timestamp='1277437171' post='426178']
I concur. It was listed as one of my drafting techniques.

Start the TE frenzy.

I had Clark last year and he was incredible. If I had to choose from the best of the best. I'd go with Clark again. Peyton loves him and he loves looking his way on short touchdown passes. I feel like Gates gets bruised up too easily nowadays and he's always playing with some injury that's lingering. But he's still #2 on my board.

1. Dallas Clark
2. Gates
3. Vernon Davis
[b]4. Brent Celek (Kolb hit it off with this guy last year)[/b]
5. Gonzales
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Loved those two weeks. 16 catches, 208 yards and a TD over two games.

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='24 June 2010 - 11:53 PM' timestamp='1277437992' post='426182']
So what round should the TE frenzy start?
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There's no set round but you want to start it soon after Clark, Gates and Davis are off the board.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='24 June 2010 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1277438703' post='426190']
Loved those two weeks. 16 catches, 208 yards and a TD over two games.



There's no set round but you want to start it soon after Clark, Gates and Davis are off the board.
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That's why I'm high on Celek this year as well. Kolb and him seem to be the best of bud's.

That doesn't help because Clark and Davis are both kept in my league lol. Isn't it around the 6th, early 7th?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='25 June 2010 - 12:08 AM' timestamp='1277438899' post='426192']
That's why I'm high on Celek this year as well. Kolb and him seem to be the best of bud's.

[b]That doesn't help because Clark and Davis are both kept in my league lol. Isn't it around the 6th, early 7th?[/b]
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Yep. Around there.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='24 June 2010 - 08:16 PM' timestamp='1277439407' post='426196']
Yep. Around there.
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That's what I thinking also. What about Jahvid Best this year? I heard he could be the full time back, which will bode very well for his owners. I've heard he can have Slaton type numbers in his first year.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='25 June 2010 - 12:39 AM' timestamp='1277440750' post='426205']
That's what I thinking also. What about Jahvid Best this year? I heard he could be the full time back, which will bode very well for his owners. I've heard he can have Slaton type numbers in his first year.
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Injuries are the only thing I see getting in the way of him having big year. [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=5630&line=175153&spln=1"]He's feeling the love from everyone and the coaches appear to want the ball in his hands[/url]:

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Coach Jim Schwartz lauded rookie Jahvid Best Wednesday for his versatility, playmaking ability, and knowledge of the team's playbook.

"He has grasped everything we've thrown at him," said Schwartz. "We haven't spoon-fed him. We've used him as wide receiver, in the slot, at running back. He has been exposed to everything ... He's smart, multidimensional and he can make plays." Best had veteran teammates raving about his explosiveness after Wednesday's practice. He went off the board in the third round in Rotoworld's recent mock draft.
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[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='25 June 2010 - 12:39 AM' timestamp='1277440750' post='426205']
That's what I thinking also. What about Jahvid Best this year? I heard he could be the full time back, which will bode very well for his owners. I've heard he can have Slaton type numbers in his first year.
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I'm a little skeptical on Best. Just on how highly everyone rates him. I think he is a good potiential guy, but realistically he is a rookie and the Lions still aren't that good of a team. They are getting better, but they need a good offensive line unit to have a real good production.

I saw a mock draft on espn with a bunch of espn writers where Best went in the 8th round. And if I can get him in the 7th or 8th, that is great value. Much higher is a bit of a reach. But he will get all the carries and I think he would be a good flex play or matchup play.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='24 June 2010 - 11:53 PM' timestamp='1277437992' post='426182']
So what round should the TE frenzy start?
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I usually find in a standard 12 team, ppr league, TE's go around the 5th round. As soon as one goes, the top guys usually follow. That's why I try to start the trend. I don't want to skip over a top TE and then the next drafter goes TE, and by my turn the choices have significantly dropped. Whereas if you pick the first TE off the board, most the following picks are TE's, which doesn't leave you far behind the draft game come your next pick.

Luckily this year, the list of high producing TE's is quite long. Especially since Vernon Davis has finally been introduced to the league.

I totally forgot to add Witten to my TE list earlier:
Clark
Witten
Gates
Davis
Celek
Gonzales

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[quote name='PuRock' date='25 June 2010 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1277473198' post='426283']
I usually find in a standard 12 team, ppr league, TE's go around the 5th round. As soon as one goes, the top guys usually follow. That's why I try to start the trend. I don't want to skip over a top TE and then the next drafter goes TE, and by my turn the choices have significantly dropped. Whereas if you pick the first TE off the board, most the following picks are TE's, which doesn't leave you far behind the draft game come your next pick.

Luckily this year, the list of high producing TE's is quite long. Especially since Vernon Davis has finally been introduced to the league.

I totally forgot to add Witten to my TE list earlier:
Clark
Witten
Gates
Davis
Celek
Gonzales
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I never go for Tight ends that early, I just don't think that they are worth it. I think Celek will fall to at least the 8th round, and him and Shiancoe (Vikings TE) are good enough and you won't have to pick early for them. Favre looks for Shiancoe in the endzone.

[PuRock]

[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2010 - 09:47 AM' timestamp='1277473655' post='426287']
I never go for Tight ends that early, [b]I just don't think that they are worth it[/b]. I think Celek will fall to at least the 8th round, and him and Shiancoe (Vikings TE) are good enough and you won't have to pick early for them. Favre looks for Shiancoe in the endzone.
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I treat the top three TE's as additional WR's. If you don't get one of these guys than you're just getting a TE. And in that case, I wait because like you said you can find serviceable ones later on.

Last year in my Big Money League I drafted Dallas Clark in the 5th. In the same round after I did that Gonzales, Witten, Carlson and Gates all followed.

Dallas Clark put up 263 points (ppr league, 1 point for 10 yards, 6 TD). That's good enough to be the 8th best receiver in fantasy football in 2009. I got a steal for that sort of production in the 5th. Especially considering the receivers that went in that round were Bryalon Edwards and Roy Williams. Vernon Davis would've been the 11th best receiver and Gates the 12th.

So while I agree with you that TE's aren't worth it. I also must add that I don't classify the best 3 as actually TE's.

FYI, Clark was an integral part in helping me put $1,000 in my pocket last year.

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[quote name='PuRock' date='25 June 2010 - 10:11 AM' timestamp='1277475077' post='426304']
I treat the top three TE's as additional WR's. If you don't get one of these guys than you're just getting a TE. And in that case, I wait because like you said you can find serviceable ones later on.

Last year in my Big Money League I drafted Dallas Clark in the 5th. In the same round after I did that Gonzales, Witten, Carlson and Gates all followed.

Dallas Clark put up 263 points (ppr league, 1 point for 10 yards, 6 TD). That's good enough to be the 8th best receiver in fantasy football in 2009. I got a steal for that sort of production in the 5th. Especially considering the receivers that went in that round were Bryalon Edwards and Roy Williams. Vernon Davis would've been the 11th best receiver and Gates the 12th.

So while I agree with you that TE's aren't worth it. I also must add that I don't classify the best 3 as actually TE's.

FYI, Clark was an integral part in helping me put $1,000 in my pocket last year.
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thats a good point. I guess I only think that because I got Davis later in the rounds last year. I just think that I can get a Celek or a Shiancoe this year in the later rounds who have great value and I won't have to give up a big pick for them

[PuRock]

[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2010 - 10:51 AM' timestamp='1277477508' post='426320']
thats a good point. I guess I only think that because I got Davis later in the rounds last year. I just think that I can get a Celek or a Shiancoe this year in the later rounds who have great value and I won't have to give up a big pick for them
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Vernon Davis was a steal last year for everybody. Celek this year will probably be drafted high. Shiancoe is an excellent value pick in later rounds. He is a TD machine. I had him in one of my leagues last year and it was frustrating because he wouldn't catch much, but then get one catch for a TD. Which made it worth the frustration.

Shiancoe's 11 TD's last year was best in Fantasy Football for TE's (Clark - 10). While only being 13th in Targets. I'm always scared of relying on TD magnets like Shiancoe. It'll be hard for him to reproduce 11 TDs, or maybe not. I've always liked guys who are consistently getting looks.

Also it's worth mentioning Greg Olsen. 8th in targets last year and 6th in TDs. Those are some pretty good numbers. He might come at a discount this year as well. But it'll be interesting how Martz's system will affect him.

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[quote name='PuRock' date='25 June 2010 - 11:02 AM' timestamp='1277478125' post='426324']
Vernon Davis was a steal last year for everybody. Celek this year will probably be drafted high. Shiancoe is an excellent value pick in later rounds. He is a TD machine. I had him in one of my leagues last year and it was frustrating because he wouldn't catch much, but then get one catch for a TD. Which made it worth the frustration.

Shiancoe's 11 TD's last year was best in Fantasy Football for TE's (Clark - 10). While only being 13th in Targets. I'm always scared of relying on TD magnets like Shiancoe. It'll be hard for him to reproduce 11 TDs, or maybe not. I've always liked guys who are consistently getting looks.
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Yeah I agree. I just looked at his stats and saw that he didn't many catches expect td's. I don't know why I have a personal vendetta against drafting a TE early. I guess I think that a weaker TE position is a little bit easier to fill than a weak WR position. And in the fifth round this year there is crabtree and I like crabtree a lot this year. And I think in the fifth round I got Vincent Jackson last year. I guess thats why you gotta go best available to extent. But overall your right. A great TE can be the difference maker in the end. I really don't know why I don't like picking them. I probably had some sort of tramatizing experience with a TE when I was younger or something.

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[quote name='PuRock' date='25 June 2010 - 11:02 AM' timestamp='1277478125' post='426324']
Also it's worth mentioning Greg Olsen. 8th in targets last year and 6th in TDs. Those are some pretty good numbers. He might come at a discount this year as well. But it'll be interesting how Martz's system will affect him.
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Olsen won't be doing anything significant as long Martz is with the Bears. Martz has never liked using TEs as evidenced by his time in St.Louis and his recent stint with San Fran in which Vernon Davis was a non-factor.

[PuRock]

[quote name='lowrider' date='25 June 2010 - 11:09 AM' timestamp='1277478587' post='426325']
I probably had some sort of tramatizing experience with a TE when I was younger or something.
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That's pretty funny. Well you know it all comes down to personal preferences. Everybody values things differently. I use to not value TE's so much, but after what I saw Clark and Gates do for my teams in the past, I've been sold on getting a top TE. But each draft is different, sometimes you can get one of these guys in the 6th or 7th rounds.

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='25 June 2010 - 11:13 AM' timestamp='1277478786' post='426326']
Olsen won't be doing anything significant as long Martz is with the Bears. Martz has never liked using TEs as evidenced by his time in St.Louis and his recent stint with San Fran in which Vernon Davis was a non-factor.
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That's a good point with Vernon, it didn't cross my mind. I knew Martz didn't value TE's too much, but I thought Olsen is too good not to use. But when you think that Martz didn't use Vernon Davis correctly, it sort of changes the thought process about drafting Olsen.

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[quote name='PuRock' date='25 June 2010 - 11:38 AM' timestamp='1277480336' post='426334']
That's a good point with Vernon, it didn't cross my mind. I knew Martz didn't value TE's too much, but I thought Olsen is too good not to use. But when you think that Martz didn't use Vernon Davis correctly, it sort of changes the thought process about drafting Olsen.
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Olsen is a real late pick anyway. Wouldn't be a bad backup. There is a lot of potiential there and worst comes to worst if he doesn't do well then your 12th round backup tight end pick didn't pan out.

[Romo Ravens]

For what was said about Best earlier, it's very true. He should be a great option for a bye week, and you never know, Smith even put up decent numbers with that offensive line and Best is already a phenomenal play maker. You can't get him off the wire though, he's usually gone in about the 9th or 10th, as well as Welker. I tend to scratch my head on that one. Patriots beat writer even said he'll more than likely start out on PUP, but I guess with that value, you wouldn't mind having him on your bench just as long a you take care of your WR slots.

As for TE's I'm looking at Gates, Celek or Finley this year. You can't go wrong with Gates, and the other two should perform very well again. Clark and Davis are kept in my league, so its disadvantage already. I never used to like TE's that much, but that was a good point saying they're another WR. This is my third year playing FF, and I went from Gates to Carlson, so I want my elite TE back.

I know it's like beating a dead horse, but what about Jamaal Charles or Ryan Mathews. I'm stuck between the two and I need someone other than a writer to give some advice lol. They're both available at the same time around the 3rd or 4th.