Fantasy Football Top 10?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='15 June 2010 - 09:10 PM' timestamp='1276665045' post='422125']
Agreed. Even between Ravens games, I'm checking the ticker trying to calculate the scores in my head.

Sorry man, I'm not a money league guy. Love fantasy but not enough to spend money on it.
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I'm with you. Because I live in California, not all the games are shown here. So usually around ten in the morning, I'll get on ESPN and have about five windows open, watching my players lol. I love it.

But yea, no problem. It's getting really competitive so I thought you'd be interested. You're just like my friends; I want the pot to be loaded, but they'll only settle for a 35 dollar entry fee lol. I wanted it to be 50. But times are hard.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='15 June 2010 - 01:36 PM' timestamp='1276623387' post='421933']
Calvin Johnson or Ryan Mathews?
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I'm leaning towards Calvin Johnson. He'll be a top 10 guys in targets this year. The Lions have improved and Stafford should take a step forward in his progression. They've also added Best to their rushing attack, which should free up the passing game a bit.

Until Ryan Matthews can prove he can play at an NFL level, I have to give the nod to a top 5 receiver first.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='16 June 2010 - 01:10 AM' timestamp='1276665045' post='422125']
Agreed. Even between Ravens games, I'm checking the ticker trying to calculate the scores in my head.

Sorry man, I'm not a money league guy. Love fantasy but not enough to spend money on it.
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The thing I like most about the money league is it gets people more motivated. Because in a non-money league team you get people that lose interest if they start losing. In the big money league I'm in, if your in last place you have to pay double the entry fee. It keeps people from slacking.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' date='16 June 2010 - 09:44 AM' timestamp='1276695882' post='422204']
The thing I like most about the money league is it gets people more motivated. Because in a non-money league team you get people that lose interest if they start losing. In the big money league I'm in, if your in last place you have to pay double the entry fee. It keeps people from slacking.
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Good point. A win against a team whose manager doesn't care anymore just feels hollow.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='16 June 2010 - 10:19 AM' timestamp='1276697970' post='422229']
Good point. A win against a team whose manager doesn't care anymore just feels hollow.
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I get pissed off about people that abandon their teams. Have some sense of pride! Go out in a blaze of glory!

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='PuRock' date='16 June 2010 - 05:42 AM' timestamp='1276695762' post='422200']
I'm leaning towards Calvin Johnson. He'll be a top 10 guys in targets this year. The Lions have improved and Stafford should take a step forward in his progression. They've also added Best to their rushing attack, which should free up the passing game a bit.

Until Ryan Matthews can prove he can play at an NFL level, I have to give the nod to a top 5 receiver first.
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That's a very solid point. They also added Burleson, which will hopefully free up Calvin. It's all just a matter of personal preference, which in that case, makes my decision even harder, seeing as I like both.

Pu, would you be interested in a new league?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' date='16 June 2010 - 10:22 AM' timestamp='1276698172' post='422232']
I get pissed off about people that abandon their teams. Have some sense of pride! Go out in a blaze of glory!
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Yep. It takes almost no time to make a move or two and set up a line-up.

Hope we don't have that in my or ATD's league.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='16 June 2010 - 01:29 PM' timestamp='1276709373' post='422323']
That's a very solid point. They also added Burleson, which will hopefully free up Calvin. It's all just a matter of personal preference, which in that case, makes my decision even harder, seeing as I like both.

Pu, would you be interested in a new league?
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I'm already in 4 leagues. I want to join Awaken the Demon league, but I don't know if I can handle 5 leagues. Errr let me put it this way, I don't know if my new wife would allow me to partake in 5 live drafts.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='16 June 2010 - 01:45 PM' timestamp='1276710317' post='422327']
Yep. It takes almost no time to make a move or two and set up a line-up.

Hope we don't have that in my or ATD's league.
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18 teams, we're bound to have a couple of dumpers. That's why 18 teams is good enough. Therefore everybody gets to play all teams once (+ or - a game). If you have 20 teams. Some teams could have bum teams on a schedule, while another has none.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='PuRock' date='16 June 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1276710807' post='422333']
I'm already in 4 leagues. I want to join Awaken the Demon league, but I don't know if I can handle 5 leagues. Errr let me put it this way, I don't know if my new wife would allow me to partake in 5 live drafts.
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Let me know. You have a month to make up your mind, plus I fully understand what you're saying about your wife. Remember, this is a competitive league with money involved.

Just trying to persuade you haha.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' date='16 June 2010 - 01:55 PM' timestamp='1276710931' post='422335']
18 teams, we're bound to have a couple of dumpers. That's why 18 teams is good enough. Therefore everybody gets to play all teams once (+ or - a game). If you have 20 teams. Some teams could have bum teams on a schedule, while another has none.
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Never thought of that. Good point.

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='16 June 2010 - 12:17 PM' timestamp='1276712227' post='422356']
Let me know. You have a month to make up your mind, plus I fully understand what you're saying about your wife. Remember, this is a competitive league with money involved.

Just trying to persuade you haha.
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what, wait, money involved??? this degenerate wants IN

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' date='16 June 2010 - 10:36 AM' timestamp='1276713389' post='422364']
what, wait, money involved??? this degenerate wants IN
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Seriously? You're in if you want. Just let me know and I'll send you the information. Like I said, I need one or two more people. Anyone else who reads this, please contact me.

[Romo Ravens]

Ok guys, I have a question for everyone.

In my ESPN league that consists of ten teams, our roster looks like this:

QB
RB
RB
RB/WR
WR
WR
TE
OP
D/ST
K

Keep in mind that the OP can either be a QB, RB, WR or TE. Now, I have a plan that I think is bulletproof. I've never tried this strategy before, so let me know if I'm on to something. This year, I can keep Ray Rice, so naturally, I'm at an advantage already. I do a million mocks a day, and my draft usually pans out with an elite RB in the first (AP, CJ, MT) or Andre Johnson. So, predicting I can get one of those RB's, my plan for the second round is to pick up an elite QB, namely Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. With my third round pick, I want Ryan Mathews. Since QB's tend to put up a lot of points, do you think it would be feasible to pass on either Manning or Brady in the first and pick up a number one WR? In the fourth, I plan on Romo or Schaub being there, so I want to scoop one of them up as well.

What's worth more to everyone: a number one WR, or two elite QB's with two number two WR's while I have Rice, Turner and Mathews as my RB's? In a lot of my mocks, Crabtree is there in the 5th, as well as Steve Smith (NY) along with Mike Sims-Walker with even our own Anquan. Should I elect to pass on a QB in round two, then take Romo a little earlier then take Flacco in the 6th or 7th, or is my plan just gold? Let me know please!

[Romo Ravens]

Edit for above post.

I meant pass on Brady or Manning in the 2nd, not the first. I'm on my phone so I can't scroll down.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='22 June 2010 - 04:16 AM' timestamp='1277194598' post='424663']
What's worth more to everyone: a number one WR, or two elite QB's with two number two WR's while I have Rice, Turner and Mathews as my RB's? In a lot of my mocks, Crabtree is there in the 5th, as well as Steve Smith (NY) along with Mike Sims-Walker with even our own Anquan. Should I elect to pass on a QB in round two, then take Romo a little earlier then take Flacco in the 6th or 7th, or is my plan just gold? Let me know please!
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It's a trick question. Because two elite quarterbacks mean a lot to a team (quarterbacks in general). But its all relative because the fantasy production between the elite quarterbacks and the middle of the pack QBs isn't too great. While the production between the elite WRs and the middle of the pack WRs is pretty significant. RBs have even more disparity.

Me personally I'd skip on an elite QB if I can get my hands on an elite WR first. You can get very good QB quality in the middle rounds while the talent at RB is slim, and the WR is slimming.

Most importantly you have to feel how the draft is going. Rank your players, see what's available. Don't handcuff yourself to positions IMO.

[lowrider]

I wouldn't go second round to go quarterback. Manning will probably sit when fantasy playoffs (Reggie Wayne hurt me when I was in the playoffs last year because the colts sat their starters so I'm avoiding Colts this year). You can get a Matt Schaub or Phillip Rivers later for the same value as a Rodgers or Brady when they are drafted much earlier. With receivers and running backs there is a big drop off but in quarterbacks there isn't that much of a difference.

Depends if you are ppr or not. Michael Turner doesn't get any catches and that makes a big difference. If it's non ppr, I think turner is number 5 back but if not he slips in my book. Same applies to Shonne Greene.

This is what I'm doing if it helps you.

1st round: If you can get Gore, CJ, AP, MJD, Rice then do it. (non ppr go turner or even Shonne Greene) If you can't, go Andre Johnson. If not go Deangelo

2nd round: Go with more of riskier running back. I like a Jamaal Charles for ppr. He averaged over 5 yards a carry last year when he got more carries. And he is supposed to get more carries. I expect big things. Non ppr-Shonne Greene. Or go a Calvin Johnson or going another big time receiver wouldn't be bad.

3rd round: If you got Deangelo, you have to get Stewart here. That would be a sick duo of consistancy that would take you to the playoffs. Roddy White or Pierre Thomas. Pierre will be better since Mike Bell is gone too but the only risk is if he gets enough carries but i think he will. Or I wouldn't mind a Schaub or Rivers here.

4th round: I might go for the Ricky and Ronnie combo too. I figure one of the two has to be healthy for the fantasy playoffs. So Ronnie here, and Ricky in the 6th. I wouldn't mind reaching for Crabtree here too. I'm drinking his kool-aid this year. Boldin would be a good pick too. Or qb if they fall. If not wait for Flacco. Sidney Rice is another name I really like or a Miles Austin.

5th: Ricky, Crabtree. I also like Flacco. No tight ends this early. You can get the same value later. There has to be a player that falls that normally wouldnt here.

6th: Boom, bust players after this point. Reaching is not a big deal here. Ben Tate, Hardesty, fred jackson and dwayne bowe have upside too. One of these guys have to pan out.

[Romo Ravens]

So you'd rather have a number one in the second (Calvin Johson, Roddy White, Brandon Marshall, Lary Fitzgerald), instead of Peyton and Tony with two number two WR's? It's debatable, that's the beauty of FF.

Edit: We do [b]not[/b] play PPR. I'm not too high on Charles this year. Jones is a beast.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='22 June 2010 - 11:34 PM' timestamp='1277264081' post='424933']
So you'd rather have a number one in the second (Calvin Johson, Roddy White, Brandon Marshall, Lary Fitzgerald), instead of Peyton and Tony with two number two WR's? It's debatable, that's the beauty of FF.

Edit: We do [b]not[/b] play PPR. I'm not too high on Charles this year. Jones is a beast.
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Personally I'd take any of those guys you listed in the 3rd (I'm not really high on any of them) and draft Kevin Kolb, Joe Flacco, Alex Smith, Chad Henne in latter rounds (5th/6th) than have Peyton Manning and short quality depth in WR or RB.

I've learned this in the past that teams (especially in QB leagues) who stock up on QBs early, end up begging for a trade with me and my plethera of RBs or WRs. Sometimes I can even upgrade my QB in a package deal.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='15 June 2010 - 09:36 AM' timestamp='1276623387' post='421933']
Calvin Johnson or Ryan Mathews?
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Give me Megatron.

I'm not high on Matthews because, well I dont know how he will fare in the NFL.
This is not mentioning the high chance that they lose McNeil, hurting their line significantly, and that I expect Sproles to get a considerable amount of touches this year and I dont expect the Bolts to stop their freat passing game with Rivers to V-Jax (who also may not be back, but imo has a better chance of coming back than McNeil)and Floyd..

Johnson, on the other hand, will probably be a lot better because now he actually has a decent #2 receiver, therefore making it so he can't be tripled every passing situation, and I like the Lions to be the breakout team that no one expects to dominate. Not to mention Stafford is still getting accustommed to the NFL and the fact that the Lions have a potentially dangerous RB tandem in Best and Kevin Smith I expect more run-oriented coverages for the Lions, at least enough to give Calvin some room to work with.


And also, is it just me or is everybody low on Brett Favre? In my Fantasy mock draft I got him in the mid-7th, and that is such a steal which allowed me to fill all my other spots before QB (I was planning to take Flacco or at the very least McNabb).

[lowrider]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='22 June 2010 - 11:34 PM' timestamp='1277264081' post='424933']
So you'd rather have a number one in the second (Calvin Johson, Roddy White, Brandon Marshall, Lary Fitzgerald), instead of Peyton and Tony with two number two WR's? It's debatable, that's the beauty of FF.

Edit: We do [b]not[/b] play PPR. I'm not too high on Charles this year. Jones is a beast.
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Fair, then I'm a bigger fan of Shonne Greene than Charles this year if it isn't ppr. I heard the carries are supposed to be 70% Charles 30% Jones. 70% has to be at least 25 touches a game which for an explosive player is all they need.

I would rather have two dominant and consistent receivers over going for a qb. It's just give and take. You can get a Tony Romo in the 4th round who will be very good for you. But you just have to make sacrifices if you want better wide receivers and rb's. But then again it depends if your not playing ppr. In ppr Qb's are not as valuable. And wide receivers and rbs are. So I see logic in grabbing a great qb early in non ppr

On another note. I'm not touching Colts players unless I get a sweet deal for them. They kill during playoffs. I think I'm the Cowboys of fantasy football (I choke). I have been first going into playoffs the last 3 years and lost because the Colts sit their players during fantasy playoffs.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='23 June 2010 - 12:55 AM' timestamp='1277268928' post='424945']
And also, is it just me or is everybody low on Brett Favre? In my Fantasy mock draft I got him in the mid-7th, and that is such a steal which allowed me to fill all my other spots before QB (I was planning to take Flacco or at the very least McNabb).
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When that official decision is announced, that he is definitely playing in 2010 I look for him to move up on mock draft boards.

7th round would be a steal, I'd probably snag him up in the 6th. He obviously played well in the Vikings system last year, he has a top 2 running back keeping defenses honest, he's got a defense that's giving him the ball back quickly and receivers making plays. What's not to love? Oh yea his age.....to be continued?

[Romo Ravens]

That's a good point about Charles. Is it official that they said it would be 70-30, because if so, he's going in the third and fourth in a lot of mocks which would obviously be a steal. You actually are making me steer away from Manning, because who says they won't have yet another dominant season? Also, Brady is slated to go in the 2nd, and without Welker or a valid run game, even Romo, Schaub or Rivers can out-produce him. Thank you guys for all your comments, I'm trying to get this 200 this year lol

Next question: pick up Ryan Mathews in the early third, or pick up Pierre Thomas in the fourth?

I happen to think Thomas is more valuable, but I had him last year, and he gave me hair loss. I'm hesitant this year, even though I think he could be a top five back.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='23 June 2010 - 01:19 PM' timestamp='1277313597' post='425102']
Next question: pick up Ryan Mathews in the early third, or pick up Pierre Thomas in the fourth?
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You answered your own question. Aim for Matthews in the 3rd, and if you don't get him aim for Thomas in the 4th. : )

Seriously, Matthews might not be in around for the 3rd. As he is being groomed for a starting role in San Diego. And starting running backs are always hot commodities.

Pierre Thomas could end up being a steal in the 4th considering it's him and Reggie Bush now. Reggie is fragile and I'm hardly worried about Hamilton stealing touches. Plus Pierre will get all of the goal-line carries.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='23 June 2010 - 01:19 PM' timestamp='1277313597' post='425102']
That's a good point about Charles. Is it official that they said it would be 70-30, because if so, he's going in the third and fourth in a lot of mocks which would obviously be a steal. You actually are making me steer away from Manning, because who says they won't have yet another dominant season? Also, Brady is slated to go in the 2nd, and without Welker or a valid run game, even Romo, Schaub or Rivers can out-produce him. Thank you guys for all your comments, I'm trying to get this 200 this year lol

Next question: pick up Ryan Mathews in the early third, or pick up Pierre Thomas in the fourth?

I happen to think Thomas is more valuable, but I had him last year, and he gave me hair loss. I'm hesitant this year, even though I think he could be a top five back.
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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4617

That talks about Charles keeping the starting job

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/03/14/mmqb/3.html

Charles will get at least 60% and if you can open the second link, the writer said at least 260 rushes. It's a risk, but yards per carry when he got the ball is the same reciept that Chris Johnson had before he broke out. Not saying Jamaal Charles is going to but yards per carry is huge when looking at potiential. And I think Charles will get the receptions over Jones so I think he will get those touches too. And if Charles is doing well, the chiefs aren't going to stop giving him the ball. And if Charles gets hurt, Thomas is a very good backup.

Well depends who else you can get in the third and fourth round instead of Matthews and Thomas. But I would lean towards Matthews because he is a more for sure thing. He will get carries and will do very solid. Chargers passing game will open up the running game. Thomas has sooooo much potential. Last year Mike Bell was there and took a lot of carries and he isn't there this year. So you have to think Thomas will get touches. Look at what Pierre did the last 6 games of 2008. He averaged like over a 100 yards and a td every game. The great news is he can get in the endzone. But overall I would go for the safe bet of Matthews.

[Romo Ravens]

Yes, I'm liking Mathews too. But Pierre won't be a bad consolation prize if I can't get Mathews in the third. You've persuaded me to consider Charles, plus I can always draft Jones in the 10th+ if Charles were to go down.

Notice how ER20 is staying out of the conversation. He's probably writing notes as we speak

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='23 June 2010 - 03:33 PM' timestamp='1277321603' post='425165']
Yes, I'm liking Mathews too. But Pierre won't be a bad consolation prize if I can't get Mathews in the third. You've persuaded me to consider Charles, plus I can always draft Jones in the 10th+ if Charles were to go down.

Notice how ER20 is staying out of the conversation. He's probably writing notes as we speak
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LOL!

There are some guys who really know their football here but I've pretty comfortable with my own rankings, strategies and hunches.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='23 June 2010 - 12:15 PM' timestamp='1277324148' post='425196']
LOL!

There are some guys who really know their football here but I've pretty comfortable with my own rankings, strategies and hunches.
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Haha I'm just giving you a bad time. It's going to be one tough league this year for Yahoo.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='23 June 2010 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1277324816' post='425202']
Haha I'm just giving you a bad time. It's going to be one tough league this year for Yahoo.
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Definitely. I can't wait for the draft.

[Romo Ravens]

Pu, I've been using your strategy in different mocks, and I really like the outcome. I've noticed that if I want Flacco, I have to sacrifice certain players so I can pick him in the 6th and keep him. After the 5th round, keepers can be selected for the next year.

I'm able to get Romo late 3rd, early 4th, so that's really helping. I've been able to select Turner sometimes at even number 9, while I can get Moss two picks later in the 2nd. If I have an earlier first round pick, I'm looking to pick up Calvin Johnson in the latter part of the 2nd.

In my mocks, I now have a number one in each category: 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1TE (obviously) then my OP will be a QB. I can't wait for my ESPN draft...