2010 Record?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravens_4life' date='17 May 2010 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1274130189' post='410995']
after reading all these reply's, everybody is saying were going this record or that record. how can you say that when traing camp has started yet nor the preseason. of course on paper we have a very good team with possibly going unbeaten this year. we have rookies with no experience in the nfl. with our track record on defense everybody is asumming we go unbeaten or 14-2 etc... granted that may be true. boldin our biggest pick-up. outstanding reciever very tough. with all that what if our offense doesnt mesh well with boldin. meaning what if our offense isnt right for boldin. look at haynesworth. yes i think he is not good, but people were thinking he was going to have a double sack year last year defense was going to improve big time etc... look at him now questionable. [b]we are really not a passing team that much ya know. i hope cam fixes that. i am not sold on cam.[/b] maybe i am overthinking this. i have been in heated talks at work about our offseason, and people saying this and that. i have to see how these guys work together before i make any predictions. what if flacco and boldin have bad chemistry. all kinds of things are going thru my head.
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Cam [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=4677"]has said publicly[/url] the team will pass lot more this year.

Yes, his passing attack has failed to do much damage the past two post-season but there have been numerous reasons for that. He's proven before that with good enough players, he can put together a top-flight offense.

[Ngata92NT]

I don't really understand the criticisms of Cam, we broke multiple franchise passing records with an extremely mediocre group of receivers in Cam's offense. IMO Cam has been extremely successful in building a balance between rushing and passing and splitting carries between McGahee and Rice (my only grip is that I want more carries for McClain but that seems unlikely to happen).

Cam certainly could improve his play calling in certain situations, he was too predictable. But he didn't exactly have a plethora of weapons, as he will this year. I think this is the year when all the excuses are gone. The pieces are here to make an elite offense. I hope Cam can replicate his success in San Diego here.

Lets give Cam at least another year or two before we lambaste him shall we? I think he's earned it.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='Token' date='16 May 2010 - 09:09 PM' timestamp='1274058568' post='410670']

14-2 barring injuries
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Hey, I love the optimism !!!
week 1 at Jets W
week 2 at Bengals L
week 3 vs Browns W
week 4 at Steelers W
week 5 vs Broncos W
week 6 at Patriots L
week 7 vs Bills W
week 8 bye
week 9 vs Dolphins W
week 10 at Falcons W
week 11 at Panthers W
week 12 vs Bucks W
week 13 vs Steelers W
week 14 at Texans L
week 15 vs Saints L
week 16 at Browns W
week 17 vs Bengals W
12-4 winning the division and going 15-4, as long as someone knocks off the Colts out of our way.....LOL

[ravensconvert]

So we went 9-7 last year, have basically the exact same personal, so now everyone is expecting us to go 13-3?

Any realistic evaluation of the situation has us going around 11-5, probably winning the division. If your 13-3 your drinking the purple cool aid.

[ravensconvert]

week 1 at Jets
week 2 at Bengals

We should expect and be happy to come out of this 1-1.

week 4 at Steelers
This is a 50/50 game on the road even without Ben. They get Troy back this year.

week 3 vs Browns
week 5 vs Broncos
week 6 at Patriots
week 7 vs Bills

we will lose one of these

week 8 bye

expected record going into the bye 4.5W/2.5L


week 9 vs Dolphins
week 10 at Falcons
week 11 at Panthers
week 12 vs Bucks

3-1 over this stretch

week 13 vs Steelers
week 14 at Texans

we will lose one of these

week 15 vs Saints
week 16 at Browns
week 17 vs Bengals

2-1 over this stretch

7-3 after the bye
4.5/2.5 before the bye

11.5 wins predicted, maybe a little high but you get the idea

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='ravensconvert' date='18 May 2010 - 09:45 AM' timestamp='1274193922' post='411270']
[b]So we went 9-7 last year, have basically the exact same personal, so now everyone is expecting us to go 13-3?[/b]

Any realistic evaluation of the situation has us going around 11-5, probably winning the division. If your 13-3 your drinking the purple cool aid.
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Boldin, Stallworth, Redding, Pitta, Dickson, Cody, Kindle, Fisher, D. Reed, and Arthur Jones, all new personal to this team. Boldin and Stallworth are starters and Cody, Kindle, (and perhaps Dickson and Pitta) could see a good amount of playing time. Let's not forget that even the players that were on the team last year could very well improve. Yeah, I totally can see how 13-3 is unreasonable...

So what if they have Troy back? For the past few years we've had one good, consistent wide receiver (and then Heap when he's healthy). Now we have Boldin along with Mason (maybe you can throw Stallworth in there, but I'm not ready to yet). Troy is about the only bright spot in that Steelers secondary, and he can't cover three or four guys. As for the Steelers game in Pittsburgh, they do not have Ben and they are now without Holmes, I think that's a good indication for us to walk out of Heinz Field with a notch in the win column.

[ravensconvert]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='18 May 2010 - 01:36 PM' timestamp='1274204219' post='411338']
Boldin, Stallworth, Redding, Pitta, Dickson, Cody, Kindle, Fisher, D. Reed, and Arthur Jones, all new personal to this team. Boldin and Stallworth are starters and Cody, Kindle, (and perhaps Dickson and Pitta) could see a good amount of playing time. Let's not forget that even the players that were on the team last year could very well improve. Yeah, I totally can see how 13-3 is unreasonable...

So what if they have Troy back? For the past few years we've had one good, consistent wide receiver (and then Heap when he's healthy). Now we have Boldin along with Mason (maybe you can throw Stallworth in there, but I'm not ready to yet). Troy is about the only bright spot in that Steelers secondary, and he can't cover three or four guys. As for the Steelers game in Pittsburgh, they do not have Ben and they are now without Holmes, I think that's a good indication for us to walk out of Heinz Field with a notch in the win column.
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Cody and Kindle simply make up for the aging in our line between this year and last. We lose ground on defense each year by default because we are old. The new TE will simply help offset an aging heap. Flacco and Rice are a year more experienced, but that also means Ray and Ed are a year older. Boldin and Stallworth buys you about 2 more wins, which is exactly where I'm putting the Ravens at 11-5.

We barely beat the Steelers in OT at home without Ben or Troy. They are a well run organization. When you have a well run organization you don't just fall apart into a 2-14 team when you lose a player, even a QB. Not having Ben and Holmes turns a road game we might have a 1/3 chance of winning to a 50/50. The Steelers are going to run the ball and play good defense next year, they are not going to be pushovers. I'd give em 9 wins.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='ravensconvert' date='18 May 2010 - 01:57 PM' timestamp='1274209058' post='411372']
Cody and Kindle simply make up for the aging in our line between this year and last. We lose ground on defense each year by default because we are old. The new TE will simply help offset an aging heap. Flacco and Rice are a year more experienced, but that also means Ray and Ed are a year older. Boldin and Stallworth buys you about 2 more wins, which is exactly where I'm putting the Ravens at 11-5.

We barely beat the Steelers in OT at home without Ben or Troy. They are a well run organization. When you have a well run organization you don't just fall apart into a 2-14 team when you lose a player, even a QB. Not having Ben and Holmes turns a road game we might have a 1/3 chance of winning to a 50/50. The Steelers are going to run the ball and play good defense next year, they are not going to be pushovers. I'd give em 9 wins.
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Who said the Steelers were a 2-14 team? Especially when Ben's only gone for what? Four games? Where did anyone say we thought Pittsburgh would be a 2-14 team? I didn't. What's been said is it makes this game extremely winnable. There was never any mention of the Steelers final record.

Secondly, if you think Boldin and Stallworth are "only giving you two more wins", you're crazy. Flacco's peformed extremely well with only one decent receiver, now you have two, maybe three. Cody, Kindle, Pitta, and Dickson aren't just "making up" for the ages in Heap and Gregg (not even mentioned whoever Kindle is supposed to "make up" for, since he's an OLB not a DE here). Ray and Ed are a year older, so? They still play better than 95% of the other players at the respective positions. As does the majority of our defensive veterans. The Ravens defense has been proving that getting older doesn't mean you're less effective.

Kindle is bringing more pass rushing to our defense, Cody is bringing a huge run stuffer, Pitta and Dickson can be used to open up the middle of the field and make it easier for the receivers to make catches. The rookies aren't there to just bring youth into the defense, they're there to contribute this year as well. I'm sorry, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that this is one complete team that can very easily take the division and make a deep playoff run, maybe even a Superbowl appearance.

[Brendan Ayres]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='17 May 2010 - 07:25 PM' timestamp='1274135103' post='411029']
I don't really understand the criticisms of Cam, we broke multiple franchise passing records with an extremely mediocre group of receivers in Cam's offense. IMO Cam has been extremely successful in building a balance between rushing and passing and splitting carries between McGahee and Rice (my only grip is that I want more carries for McClain but that seems unlikely to happen).

Cam certainly could improve his play calling in certain situations, he was too predictable. But he didn't exactly have a plethora of weapons, as he will this year. I think this is the year when all the excuses are gone. The pieces are here to make an elite offense. I hope Cam can replicate his success in San Diego here.

Lets give Cam at least another year or two before we lambaste him shall we? I think he's earned it.
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Given what Cam has already done for our once-anemic offense, I find it insane that people even question his ability as an offensive coordinator. A couple years ago, people questioned whether or not he could make our offense produce simply because he had just coached a 1-15 football team (I think there are plenty of examples of great coordinators that made bad head coaches). At the time, I said he was our best move of that offseason (this was just before we drafted Flacco and Rice, mind you). What he has done with our offense (while lacking a true #1 WR) is nothing short of remarkable. With the added weapons to our passing game this year, I see this offense as finishing no worse than 5th in the NFL.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Brendan Ayres' date='18 May 2010 - 02:14 PM' timestamp='1274210050' post='411393']
Given what Cam has already done for our once-anemic offense, I find it insane that people even question his ability as an offensive coordinator. A couple years ago, people questioned whether or not he could make our offense produce simply because he had just coached a 1-15 football team (I think there are plenty of examples of great coordinators that made bad head coaches). At the time, I said he was our best move of that offseason (this was just before we drafted Flacco and Rice, mind you). What he has done with our offense (while lacking a true #1 WR) is nothing short of remarkable. With the added weapons to our passing game this year, I see this offense as finishing no worse than 5th in the NFL.
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[quote name='ravensconvert']So we went 9-7 last year, have basically the exact same personal, so now everyone is expecting us to go 13-3?

Any realistic evaluation of the situation has us going around 11-5, probably winning the division. If your 13-3 your drinking the purple cool aid.[/quote]

There's a lot of good aspects to Cam's game. My only complaint is predictability in the passing game, but I think that might have been the result of having a subpar receiving core. Having Boldin, being the explosive route runner and catcher he is, Stallworth, a speedy stretch the field receiver, and three at least decent Tied ends, and Heap being ofcourse more than just decent, Ray Rice and finally the return of Mason....look at all those options? Yes i know, we're talking about things that are on paper still, all hypothetical. At the same time, that's a lot of potential weapons at Flacco's disposal and Cam's disposal. I expect a lot more out the offense this year. Two veteran recievers, a veteran TE, a speedy reciever seeking redemption, and then the two young TE's and Rice. With all those guys in your passing game, and Rice/Mgahee/McClain with some power football...coupled with what is still one of the league's best defense. That's why people can say 12-4 or 13-3. Will it happen? Who knows, but there's no reason why it can't happen. It's completely possible.

[RAYvenFan20]

[quote name='ravensconvert' date='18 May 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1274194411' post='411274']
week 1 at Jets
week 2 at Bengals

We should expect and be happy to come out of this 1-1.

week 4 at Steelers
This is a 50/50 game on the road even without Ben. They get Troy back this year.

week 3 vs Browns
week 5 vs Broncos
week 6 at Patriots
week 7 vs Bills

we will lose one of these

week 8 bye

expected record going into the bye 4.5W/2.5L


week 9 vs Dolphins
week 10 at Falcons
week 11 at Panthers
week 12 vs Bucks

3-1 over this stretch

week 13 vs Steelers
week 14 at Texans

we will lose one of these

week 15 vs Saints
week 16 at Browns
week 17 vs Bengals

2-1 over this stretch

7-3 after the bye
4.5/2.5 before the bye

11.5 wins predicted, maybe a little high but you get the idea
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ravens might lose to the browns or bills?

[RAYvenFan20]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='18 May 2010 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1274204219' post='411338']
Boldin, Stallworth, Redding, Pitta, Dickson, Cody, Kindle, Fisher, D. Reed, and Arthur Jones, all new personal to this team. Boldin and Stallworth are starters and Cody, Kindle, (and perhaps Dickson and Pitta) could see a good amount of playing time. Let's not forget that even the players that were on the team last year could very well improve. Yeah, I totally can see how 13-3 is unreasonable...

So what if they have Troy back? For the past few years we've had one good, consistent wide receiver (and then Heap when he's healthy). Now we have Boldin along with Mason (maybe you can throw Stallworth in there, but I'm not ready to yet). Troy is about the only bright spot in that Steelers secondary, and he can't cover three or four guys. As for the Steelers game in Pittsburgh, they do not have Ben and they are now without Holmes, I think that's a good indication for us to walk out of Heinz Field with a notch in the win column.
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i 100% agree. plus how many of those 7 losses couldve easily been wins? its fair to say that last year we couldve been 11 or 12 game winners, kicking n dumb penalties cost us games (unfortunately those are 2 areas that we havent addressed, at least not in a big way)

[ravensconvert]

[quote name='RAYvenFan20' date='18 May 2010 - 06:56 PM' timestamp='1274223406' post='411570']
ravens might lose to the browns or bills?
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You don't think we will lose one of those 4 games? Obviously the most likely candidate is NE, but I'm averaging out our expected wins over the 4 game period. If you're 60% to lose to NE on the road and about 13% or so to lose the other three games you end up with one loss.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='funky141' date='17 May 2010 - 12:52 PM' timestamp='1274115177' post='410862']
week 1 @ Jets- L Home opener for the Jets, too much for the Ravens to overcome
week 2 @ Bengals- L
week 3 vs Browns- W
week 4 @ steelers- W
week 5 @ Broncos- W
week 6 @ Patriots- L I think the Pats will be ready this time
week 7 vs Bills- W
week 9 vs Dolphins- W
week 10 @ Falcons- W
week 11 @ Panthers- W
week 12 vs Bucs- W
week 13 vs steelers- L haven't swept the Steelers in years, this year no different
week 14 @ Texans- L
week 15 vs Saints- L
week 16 @ Browns- W
week 17 vs Bengals- W

10-6 it will be.
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If we win all games at home and 4 games on the road =>12-4
Saints at home is a question mark, for every game we loose at home we need to win extra game on the road, simple math - 12-4 in my book (11-5 still might win the division)

[funky141]

[quote]So we went 9-7 last year, have basically the exact same personal, so now everyone is expecting us to go 13-3?

Any realistic evaluation of the situation has us going around 11-5, probably winning the division. If your 13-3 your drinking the purple cool aid. [/quote]

Very good point.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='funky141' date='24 May 2010 - 02:56 PM' timestamp='1274727373' post='413788']
Very good point.
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Answer me this: What part of this are you agreeing with? "So we went 9-7 last year, have basically the exact same personal, so now everyone is expecting us to go 13-3?

Any realistic evaluation of the situation has us going around 11-5, probably winning the division. If your 13-3 your drinking the purple cool aid."


It is obvious we dont have "basically the same personel. There have been many additions as well as players lost. The only part of his whole quote that has any merit is the fact we went 9-7. The predictions are basically just that, predictions. How can anyone make a "realistic evaluation of the situation" this early in the year.

So again I ask what do you agree with?

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='ravensconvert' date='18 May 2010 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1274193922' post='411270']
So we went 9-7 last year, have basically the exact same personal, so now everyone is expecting us to go 13-3?

Any realistic evaluation of the situation has us going around 11-5, probably winning the division. If your 13-3 your drinking the purple cool aid.
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I have been a little dehydrated lately... Bring on the purple liquids!

On that same note, your 'realistic' slant, realistically speaking the Flyers never had a chance to make the Stanley Cup finals. You can keep your realism. I'll keep being a fanatic.

Ravens, 16-0.

[codizzle]

yea we went 9-7 last year but hey did you forget our QB and RB were only in their second year.. did you forget that two of our best defensive players in suggs and reed were not themselves/hurt for most of the year and we lost webb and fabs. and our glaring weakness was the ability of our receivers to gain separation

soo what did we do? draft two pass cathcing TE's get freaking anquan boldin who will get open and hit people and then get stallworth who will stretch the field ....

so reed has surgery and says he feels great.. suggs is here for OTA's ready to go back to suggs form. flacco has his weapons and is ready to explode. rice is well a monster..

and oh yea we drafted two first round talents who get to the QB and oh yea we have ngata who is *alright i guess* lol

but yea we are drinking the kool aid..

[XxSizzleXx]

I have us going 12-4 with the losses coming at Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Houston and against the Saints.