Ravens DT Depth Chart

[Pedro Rhormes]

[color="#ff0000"][b]Terrence Cody:[/b] 6-4, Weight 355 lbs, Age: 21, Years Pro: 0[/color]

[b]Pros:[/b] Has good height and excellent bulk for a 3-4 nose tackle. Uses his impressive strength to hold at the point of attack. Isn’t going to beat blockers with quickness but can power himself into the backfield. Exhibits impressive balance for a big man. Has been a durable performer. Possesses a high ceiling for development as a run-stuffer.

[b]Cons:[/b] Probably a two-down player at the next level who will come out in pass rush situations. Endurance is a concern, and he can be worn down. Relies on raw power and needs to improve his hand use. Doesn’t have the initial quickness to beat blockers off the snap. Lacks athleticism out of the box and won’t chase down plays.

[color="#ff0000"][b]Lamar Divens:[/b] 6-3, Weight 333 lbs, Age:25, Years Pro: 3

[b]Arthur Jones:[/b] 6-3, Weight 301 lbs, Age: 24, Years Pro: 0
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[b]Pros:[/b] Jones has a good blend of size and strength making him an effective defensive tackle against the run. He plays with good intelligence to find the football. Tough player who plays through the whistle. Displays a competitive streak you love to see with your interior defenders.

[b]Cons:[/b] He’s only an average athlete. Would like to see better initial burst. Struggles moving laterally. Lacks the long range speed to chase down running plays from behind. Inconsistent reactor who can be caught out of position. Shows only average hand use.

[color="#ff0000"][b]Brandon McKinney:[/b] 6-2, Weight 324 lbs, Age:27, Years Pro: 5

[b]Cory Redding:[/b] 6-4, Weight 292 lbs, Age: 30, Years Pro: 8[/color]

[b]Pros:[/b] Has an great awareness,and sure can handle a man. Have some speed in his feet. Can be easily used as DE too. Besides that,can be a leader for the young players.

[b]Cons:[/b] Is not a very strenght player, have some injury issues, which included losing some games at Detroit Lions & Seatle Seahawks

[color="#ff0000"][b]Kelly Talavou:[/b] 6-2, Weight 340, Age:25 , Years Pro: 3

[b]Kelly Gregg:[/b] 6-0 , Weight 315, Age: 33 , Years Pro: 11[/color]

[b]Pros:[/b] Has great strenght and can handle 1 player...Show a lot of awareness,is a good run stopper but not a pass-rush. Can be a good starter if healthy. Can easily be a leader on defense.

[b]Cons:[/b] Has gone under surgery,not very healthy... His age is not a big deal but he isn’t that “iron” Gregg of the 2000-05. Not very mobile[b].
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[Ed_Reed20]

The D lines up in so many formations throughout a game, most of the DT/NTs not named Haloti will see time this season. Obviously, what young guys like Cody and Jones do in the coming months will determine their playing time early on.

[Pedro Rhormes]

I think a good idea should be

Suggs--Lewis---Ellerbe---Kindle
Ngata------Redding------Price

then,in easy games like Browns,Bills, and even PRE-SEASON GAMES... I think we should "go risk" a little bit, try in our rookies in pre-season...like:
Suggs---Lewis---Ellerbe/Phillips (if healthy)-- Kindle
Ngata------Cody---- Krueger


Why not use Kindle as a starter?If his knee recovers until Pre-Season, he's an good Pass Rush... He and Suggs = sack,or an excelent rush with ngata... then the QB will throw some "bricks" to our cornerbacks.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Pedro Rhormes' date='16 May 2010 - 02:35 PM' timestamp='1274034901' post='410528']
I think a good idea should be

Suggs--Lewis---Ellerbe---Kindle
Ngata------Redding------Price

then,in easy games like Browns,Bills, and even PRE-SEASON GAMES... I think we should "go risk" a little bit, try in our rookies in pre-season...like:
Suggs---Lewis---Ellerbe/Phillips (if healthy)-- Kindle
Ngata------Cody---- Krueger


Why not use Kindle as a starter?If his knee recovers until Pre-Season, he's an good Pass Rush... He and Suggs = sack,or an excelent rush with ngata... then the QB will throw some "bricks" to our cornerbacks.
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Redding isn't a NT; he doesn't have the size or anchoring strength to be one. He was brought in to replace Edwards who was eating into Pryce's snaps all last season.

Saying a game will "easy" in May is pointless. We have no idea how good or bad those teams will be next season despite what the talent on their rosters suggests.

As for Kindle, he's very talented but J.J. is a better player than him at this point. I anticipate the team will bring him along at a decent pace like they did with Suggs when he was a rookie and the more pressure and/or sacks, Kindle generates, the more downs he'll see, but J.J. will likely remain a starter.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='Pedro Rhormes' date='16 May 2010 - 02:35 PM' timestamp='1274034901' post='410528']
I think a good idea should be

Suggs--Lewis---Ellerbe---Kindle
Ngata------Redding------Price

then,in easy games like Browns,Bills, and even PRE-SEASON GAMES... I think we should "go risk" a little bit, try in our rookies in pre-season...like:
Suggs---Lewis---Ellerbe/Phillips (if healthy)-- Kindle
Ngata------Cody---- Krueger


Why not use Kindle as a starter?If his knee recovers until Pre-Season, he's an good Pass Rush... He and Suggs = sack,or an excelent rush with ngata... then the QB will throw some "bricks" to our cornerbacks.
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Redding isn't really a Nose Tackle, you can't think of games as "easy" when you play weaker competition (Look what happened to the Steelers) and Kindle will have to win his job, considering we still have JJ locking it down opposite Suggs.

Last I checked Kindle hadn't had any knee surgeries...

[Pedro Rhormes]

kindle hasn't gone into surgery, but he have some knee problem.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Pedro Rhormes' date='16 May 2010 - 01:54 PM' timestamp='1274036071' post='410534']
kindle hasn't gone into surgery, but he have some knee problem.
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Kindle no longer needs surgery.

Anyways, Gregg has been said to be the starter. Cody will be second, and put in during run situations. If Cody continues to work on his weight and stamina issues, along with putting on some more muscle to his frame, he could be a fearsome nose tackle in a few years. Right now though, he's a run stuffer, and little else.

[Ngata92NT]

If I were Greg Mattison:

1st & 2nd down:

Suggs Lewis Ellerbe Johnson
Ngata Gregg/Cody Redding/Jones/Kruger/Pryce

3rd down:

Johnson Lewis Kindle
Suggs Ngata Redding/McKinney Kruger/Pryce/Jones

[The Raven]

How bout for First and second:

Suggs Ray Ellerbe Johnson

Ngata/Redding Gregg/Cody Pryce/Kruger

and for third

Suggs Ray Ellerbe Kindle

Redding Ngata Kruger/Pryce

On first and second Redding and Kruger are kinda interchangeable.

I moved Ngata to nose on third as I beleive he would rush the passer better than Gregg, and still has the size/strength to play nose.

[ravenbeast]

how about ngata/cody/gregg on 1 and 2nd down and on 3rd kruger/redding/pryce
for linebackers 1 and 2nd suggs/ray/jj/kindle/ on 3rd suggs/ray/jj/kindle
i think cody will be better than kelly gregg at nose tackle imo and i think gregg has the speed to play end in a 3-4 the dude is a mad bull when he has someone on the run i remember watchin him chase a back and i had to take a double look cuz i bout crapped my pants. GET THOSE 2 ROOKIE 2ND ROUNDERS IN THERE.actually should have been 1st rounders but other teams are dumd we got ozz man wohooo

[AwakenTheDemon]

Gregg is not a defensive end, you'd get absolutely zero pass rush out of that defensive line (Ngata, Cody, Gregg).

[The Raven]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='16 May 2010 - 06:01 PM' timestamp='1274047311' post='410590']
Gregg is not a defensive end, you'd get absolutely zero pass rush out of that defensive line (Ngata, Cody, Gregg).
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Actually, since those three players will most likely demand double-teams, our LB's would get in free. So it's kind of a pass rush improvement in a way.

[Twoo]

Doesn't matter to me, I just want to see Cody pull a Refrigerator Perry and run the ball on the 1 yard line

[The Raven]

[quote name='Twoo' date='16 May 2010 - 06:39 PM' timestamp='1274049541' post='410600']
Doesn't matter to me, I just want to see Cody pull a Refrigerator Perry and run the ball on the 1 yard line
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with Ngata as the lead blocker! and while we're at it, what about Mckinney, or Talavou on the line as well?

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='The Raven' date='16 May 2010 - 05:38 PM' timestamp='1274049516' post='410599']
Actually, since those three players will most likely demand double-teams, our LB's would get in free. So it's kind of a pass rush improvement in a way.
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Cody isn't strong enough in the arms to regularly demand a double team. He's large, that's about it right now. Those of you who are expect some sort of inhuman, pocket crushing, taking-up-half-the-offensive-line presence are going to be sorely disappointed. If Cody ever becomes a complete tackle that can also rush the passer, it certainly isn't going to be this year. He's going to be a run stuffer and little else. If only because his strength does not match his size right now. His girth is all fat with little muscle. Not to mention, I can't really see Gregg needing double teamed regularly as a defensive end. So no, it's not an improvement in the pass rushing department.

Even if your idea did work out, hypothetically. There'd be ZERO rush out of the defensive line, leaving all the rush to HAVE to come from the linebackers.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='16 May 2010 - 06:42 PM' timestamp='1274049770' post='410602']
Cody isn't strong enough in the arms to regularly demand a double team. He's large, that's about it right now. Those of you who are expect some sort of inhuman, pocket crushing, taking-up-half-the-offensive-line presence are going to be sorely disappointed. If Cody ever becomes a complete tackle that can also rush the passer, it certainly isn't going to be this year. He's going to be a run stuffer and little else. If only because his strength does not match his size right now. His girth is all fat with little muscle. Not to mention, I can't really see Gregg needing double teamed regularly as a defensive end. So no, it's not an improvement in the pass rushing department.

[b]Even if your idea did work out, hypothetically. There'd be ZERO rush out of the defensive line, leaving all the rush to HAVE to come from the linebackers.[/b]
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Agreed. Plus, the lack of an interior rush has been an issue with this team for years. One of the main reasons the 2000 D was so dominating was because Adams and Goose could both collapse the pocket and get after opposing QBs which allowed McCray, Boulware and Burnett to get sacks off the edge.

That's why Pryce, Redding and hopefully Jones will be so important this season. With their ability to rush the passer from the inside, Suggs, Kindle and whoever else should be able rack up sacks.

[justifythegame]

I don't understand some of the points in this thread. First of all, the coaching staff already let you know that they aren't going to start Cody. And most people know by now that John Harbaugh does not play rookies until the that last couple weeks of the season unless injuries force him to put a rookie in. And Cody is regarded as a huge run stuffer, not a pass rusher, so i don't understand why we would bring him in on pass rushing situations.

Divens may not even make the roster, he barely makes it in, so now we are going to consider starting the guy?

Arthur Jones, correct me if im wrong but didn't this guy get carted off the field? He has serious injury issues, and the rookie thing doesn't help him in terms of "starting".

McKinney has been last on the depth chart his entire time here, i would feel afraid and desperate if we are going to consider him to start.

If you're going to put Cory Redding on this list, then you might as well put every other DE there, even Ngata who is a NT playing DE.

Gregg started every season, including last year, so what has changed that we would consider starting backups or rookies? Gregg has obviously lost a step, but if there was a question to whether he would start, then the obvious is moving Ngata back to NT, and starting Redding at DE and keeping Pryce on the opposite end. I don't really understand the listing of all the DTs and a DE and listing out their pros and cons.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Art Jones being carted off the field is news to me.

[Ed_Reed20]

Jones tore his lateral meniscus his final year at Syracuse but he hasn't been carted off the practice field as a Raven.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Yeah, I knew about his injury in college. Perhaps he's thinking of Harewood?

[berad]

[quote name='justifythegame' date='16 May 2010 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1274051608' post='410612']
I don't understand some of the points in this thread. First of all, the coaching staff already let you know that they aren't going to start Cody. [b]And most people know by now that John Harbaugh does not play rookies until the that last couple weeks of the season unless injuries force him to put a rookie in.[/b] And Cody is regarded as a huge run stuffer, not a pass rusher, so i don't understand why we would bring him in on pass rushing situations.
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If you mean he doesn't [i]'start'[/i] rookies then, yeah, you'd be mostly correct with the exception of Michael Oher. Harbaugh is not opposed to playing rookies, though, I'm not sure what gave you that idea. Ray Rice played a good deal in his first year. Dannell Ellerbe, Haruki Nakamura, Jameel McClain, Tom Zbikowski and Ladarius Webb each played in 13 games or more their rookie season. I won't even touch Joe Flacco because injuries, like you said, contributed to him becoming the starter. But history shows that John Harbaugh has no issue letting rookies see the field, he wants to put the best players he can out there.

[BloodRaven]

Obviously our D-linemen have strengths in different areas, it gives us a better rotation but barring injury, Kindle and Cody won't be starting. Redding will be the only new starter in our front 7.