Ravens Vs. Indy Record

[K-Dog]

has Ray Lewis ever beaten the team from indy with Manning as starting QB ?

[darklight1216]

Ray Lewis is 1-4 against the Colts according to profootballreference http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiRa00/splits/. The lone win was in 2001.

[TSizzle00]

Colts defense is trash but when they are up by 2 TDs like they are when they play the Ravens that Tampa 2 defense is hard to throw on with no WRs. That changes this season. I hope the Ravens beat the Steelers in the WC game, Bengals in the next round, then Colts in the AFCCG with a win over the overrated Cowboys to cap off the year. That would be the perfect season

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='14 May 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1273877432' post='410061']
Ray Lewis is 1-4 against the Colts according to profootballreference http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiRa00/splits/. The lone win was in 2001.
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He's lost to them WAY more than 4 times. More like 8 straight.

[RavensUCfan]

They force a lot of mismatches over the middle forcing linebackers to cover their receivers and tight ends. This kills us on the 3rd and longs. Our defense plays solid, but they just seem to convert those 3rd and longs over the middle. Ray Ray is not as speedy as he once was.

Most of the time it is just Manning. I have never seen a QB with such accuracy. Even when the receivers are covered, he still puts it just where they can catch it. Tough defending that.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='14 May 2010 - 07:31 PM' timestamp='1273879888' post='410076']
He's lost to them WAY more than 4 times. More like 8 straight.
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Yeah, I think the PFR stats are [s]wrong[/s] a little strange. I checked out BR and NFL.com instead.

These are the regular season games that have been played between Baltimore and Indy.

[s]10/13/96 Colts 26-21 @ Ind. 56,978[/s]
11/29/98 Ravens 38-31 Bal. 68,898
12/2/01 Ravens 39-27 Bal. 69,382
[s]10/13/02 Colts 22-20 @ Ind. 56,174[/s]
12/9/04 Colts 20-10 @ Ind. 57,240
9/11/05 Colts 7-24 Bal. 70,501
12/9/07 Colts 20-44 Bal. 70,513
10/12/08 Colts 3-31 @ Ind. 66,153
11/22/09 Colts 15-17 Bal. 71,320
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/History/Ravens_Vs_NFL.aspx#afcsouth
http://www.nfl.com/players/raylewis/profile?id=LEW562347

The strikeouts are for games that Manning or Lewis did not participate in.

So that's a 2-5 record in the regular season... I think.

This does not include the post-season, which Indy leads 2-0

It looks like there's something funny about BR's number of games played and the win-loss record.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='TSizzle00' date='14 May 2010 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1273879494' post='410071']
Colts defense is[b] trash[/b] but when they are up by 2 TDs like they are when they play the Ravens that Tampa 2 defense is hard to throw on with no WRs. That changes this season. I hope the Ravens beat the Steelers in the WC game, Bengals in the next round, then Colts in the AFCCG with a win over the overrated Cowboys to cap off the year. That would be the perfect season
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I wouldn't call it trash, maybe average or below average. Keep in mind they are set up to play with the lead, and unleash Matthis & Freeney, with speedy secondary.
I like the wishful thinking, but Cowboys in SB!??? No way. Romo might take the Cowgirls to the Playoffs, but that's it.

[afro-man27]

When people look at Indy's dominance over us this past decade, there's too much focus on the match-up between the Colts offense vs the Ravens defense. More often than not, Ray and Co. actually keep Peyton in check fairly well. It's when Baltimore's offense plays Indy's D that we get stomped. It's never a good thing when you consistently struggle to even reach 20 points against a defense that is historically mediocre at best.

[berad]

[quote name='afro-man27' date='15 May 2010 - 12:37 AM' timestamp='1273898240' post='410161']
When people look at Indy's dominance over us this past decade, there's too much focus on the match-up between the Colts offense vs the Ravens defense. More often than not, Ray and Co. actually keep Peyton in check fairly well. It's when Baltimore's offense plays Indy's D that we get stomped. It's never a good thing when you consistently struggle to even reach 20 points against a defense that is historically mediocre at best.
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Agree whole-heartedly. They always seem to completely shut down our running game even though we, usually, rank among the league's strongest in rushing and they. conversely, are among the worst in rush-defense. It's dumbfounding!

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='berad' date='14 May 2010 - 11:47 PM' timestamp='1273898828' post='410163']
Agree whole-heartedly. They always seem to completely shut down our running game even though we, usually, rank among the league's strongest in rushing and they. conversely, are among the worst in rush-defense. It's dumbfounding!
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Well, when the Ravens are as anemic in the passing game as they have been pre-Flacco, it's easy for an opposing defense to focus completely on the running game. Look at last year's loss in the divisional round. Flacco was struggling, which let Indy put all of it's attention on Rice. Had the passing game not been mediocre, we could have probably came out on top in that game.

[berad]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='15 May 2010 - 01:47 AM' timestamp='1273902454' post='410175']
Well, when the Ravens are as anemic in the passing game as they have been pre-Flacco, it's easy for an opposing defense to focus completely on the running game. Look at last year's loss in the divisional round. Flacco was struggling, which let Indy put all of it's attention on Rice. Had the passing game not been mediocre, we could have probably came out on top in that game.
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Very true. Hopefully that happens this season with the plethora of potential weapons that we have assembled. The Indy defense always brings it's A-game against us, it seems.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I can't see Indy shutting down, Rice, Mason, Boldin, Stallworth, and whatever tight end ends up producing the best.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='afro-man27' date='15 May 2010 - 12:37 AM' timestamp='1273898240' post='410161']
When people look at Indy's dominance over us this past decade, there's too much focus on the match-up between the Colts offense vs the Ravens defense. More often than not, Ray and Co. actually keep Peyton in check fairly well. It's when Baltimore's offense plays Indy's D that we get stomped. It's never a good thing when you consistently struggle to even reach 20 points against a defense that is historically mediocre at best.
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To be honest, though, Peyton Manning has played against the Ravens under Rex Ryan more times than at any other point in his career -- and Manning has owned Rex Ryan's defenses his entire career, even Ryan with the Jets. So, if you take that out of hte equation, the Ravens have an even better shot with Greg Mattison at the helm, given that the Ravens lost by only two in the regular season and less than two possessions in the postseason, all in the same calendar year with virtually the same starters.

[kagejb]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='15 May 2010 - 02:20 AM' timestamp='1273904410' post='410187']
To be honest, though, Peyton Manning has played against the Ravens under Rex Ryan more times than at any other point in his career -- and Manning has owned Rex Ryan's defenses his entire career, even Ryan with the Jets. So, if you take that out of hte equation, the Ravens have an even better shot with Greg Mattison at the helm, given that the Ravens lost by only two in the regular season and less than two possessions in the postseason, all in the same calendar year with virtually the same starters.
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I agree. Rex relies on blitzing from everywhere, giving out mixed signals, confusing the quarterback before the snap. Peyton is just too smart to get tangled up with Rex's tricks. On the contrary, Mattison usually shows the same look during the pre-snap, but using different plays. This would prevent the pre-snap reads and the audibles Peyton usually give out. He might think Cover 2, then the other corner would go up for the Cover 3. This would make him hold on to the ball a little bit longer, trying to dissect the play after the snap. If we just had more pressure, we might have ended up with more errant throws or sacks.

[Purple Punishment]

I do agree that Indy's D suddenly looks like a Top 3 defense when they play us. Its just insane how we can go up against some of the best defenses and work them, and when we play Indy they somehow shut us down. Well not this year. I cant wait for our new team to hit the Colts so hard that the Mayflower company crumbles to the ground

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='kagejb' date='15 May 2010 - 02:48 AM' timestamp='1273906112' post='410189']
I agree. Rex relies on blitzing from everywhere, giving out mixed signals, confusing the quarterback before the snap. Peyton is just too smart to get tangled up with Rex's tricks. On the contrary, Mattison usually shows the same look during the pre-snap, but using different plays. This would prevent the pre-snap reads and the audibles Peyton usually give out. He might think Cover 2, then the other would go up for the Cover 3. This would make him hold on to the ball a little bit longer, trying to dissect the play after the snap. If we just had more pressure, we might have ended up with more errant throws or sacks.
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One thing I like about Mattison is that he does not keep blitzing when the secondary is struggling like Rex does. Mattison would send LBs into coverage to help out CBs. We already know we cant pressure Manning so why even send a blitz. Ravens D played Manning much better then the Jets D did.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='15 May 2010 - 02:18 AM' timestamp='1273904287' post='410186']
I can't see Indy shutting down, Rice, Mason, Boldin, Stallworth, and whatever tight end ends up producing the best.
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Plus we have to limit turnovers. Cant give Manning more possessions.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='15 May 2010 - 02:20 AM' timestamp='1273904410' post='410187']
To be honest, though, Peyton Manning has played against the Ravens under Rex Ryan more times than at any other point in his career -- and Manning has owned Rex Ryan's defenses his entire career, even Ryan with the Jets. So, if you take that out of hte equation, the Ravens have an even better shot with Greg Mattison at the helm, given that the Ravens lost by only two in the regular season and less than two possessions in the postseason, all in the same calendar year with virtually the same starters.
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I remember Rex completely shut down Manning in the playoffs one time. The Ravens offense cost us the game, indy only won because of their kicker. The blitzes were so complex, Manning just didn't have time to read the defense and make plays. I remember if Todd Heap didn't drop a pass from McNair we would've been up by a FG but the Ravens couldn't pass the ball or run the ball. The other couple times i saw Manning play us, like Flacco's first year, all our starting corners were hurt. In 09 it was worse because we really didn't have an excuse, we had our starters in-or at least backups now named as starters, Mattison's playcalling and guys like Fabian Washington getting burned every play cost us. Having guys like Rolle and C-Mac healthy with Rex calling the plays can't be compared to the defense we have now. Although i think we benefited more when Washington was off the field in the playoff game from last yr, every good QB in the NFL picks on him because he has no business playing defense at the NFL level.

As another poster mentioned, there is too much emphasis on manning vs lewis. The colts are playing it more smart, they completely shutdown the Ravens offense every game. We should've anticipated that they would watch tape on Ray Rice vs NE. Thats their gameplan every time they play us, shut down the O. Once they do that, it really doesn't matter what Peyton does or doesn't do. It was just a bonus for them last year that Manning scored on us in the playoffs, which really gave us no shot at coming back. We have to be able to make plays down the field. I love the Boldin move. Boldin is a top 5 WR, but i think what will be more interesting is Donte Stallworth. What we need in addition to Boldin is a deep threat. And im not talking about bums like Demetrius Williams who can't get separation down the field. If Stallworth can stay healthy and still play like he did before, i think he is going to be a huge difference maker, especially with Boldin and Mason demanding coverage. But we don't play indy this year so we won't get to test our new weapons against them.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='15 May 2010 - 02:18 AM' timestamp='1273904287' post='410186']
I can't see Indy shutting down, Rice, Mason, Boldin, Stallworth, and whatever tight end ends up producing the best.
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We've already seen them shut down 3/5 of those.

I'd rather not see Baltimore play Indy at all if the Ravens make it to the playoffs.

[TSizzle00]

Colts have a playoff butt kicking due by the Ravens much like the Pats did last season.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='15 May 2010 - 10:03 AM' timestamp='1273935836' post='410248']
We've already seen them shut down 3/5 of those.

I'd rather not see Baltimore play Indy at all if the Ravens make it to the playoffs.
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All at the same time, however? We're talking Indy here. They had success because when Baltimore plays the Colts, our passing game suddenly shrinks to nothing. However, I'd now like to see Indy shut down, Boldin, Mason, Stallworth, Rice, and whichever tight end is performing best [i]at the same time[/i]. Not going to happen.

[K-Dog]

I hope we do face Indy again.
The main reason I was wondering was, I was thinking about all that Ray Lewis has accomplished in his career. I wasnt positive if beating Peyton was on that list of accomplishments.

I just hope he gets a few more wins over Indy before he hangs up his cleats.

[BloodRaven]

I really hate seeing them on our schedule.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='justifythegame' date='15 May 2010 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1273934877' post='410245']
I remember Rex completely shut down Manning in the playoffs one time. The Ravens offense cost us the game, indy only won because of their kicker. The blitzes were so complex, Manning just didn't have time to read the defense and make plays.
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But that was only [i]one[/i] game -- three other times with the Ravens, Rex Ryan's defense was destroyed by Peyton Manning. With the Jets, Ryan's defense has faced Peyton Manning twice, but the first meeting was an abbreviated (but efficient) outing for Manning that was also a game where Jim Caldwell intended to conserve his starters for the playoffs. In their second meeting, Manning wrecked that same Jets defense for arguably the second-best playoff performance of his career. The merits of complex blitzes aside, the record has shown that Peyton Manning has historically owned Rex Ryan's defenses.