RUMOR: Gaither to Bills?

[adamj1973]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='07 May 2010 - 06:57 PM' timestamp='1273276677' post='406612']
The BPA theory applies in positions where multiples take the field(ie, Tackles, DEs, DTs, OLBs in 34 schemes, corners, WRs)the Bills now have two 1,000 yard rushers and a top 10 pick that they have to play. How often will two of them be on the field at the same time. Its not like Spiller is a 30 touches a game guy so why take him in the top 10. Its not a bad pick, but its definitely a head scratcher.
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Spiller is a home run hitter which the current Bills RB's are not. They dont have the speed to score from anywhere and very rarely break off big runs. Spiller gets to daylight and nobody will catch him from behind. Spiller can also play WR in the slot, on the outside, and go in motion. Every team will have to respect the reverse because you dont want that speed going the opposite way around the end.

[Buffalo]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='07 May 2010 - 06:48 PM' timestamp='1273276120' post='406606']
There's a difference in taking a stud tackle in the draft when you already have a stud tackle, and taking a stud running back when you have 2 very good runningbacks already. That difference is that there's a tackle on each side of the line, so you could USE both tackles. Anyways, there was never anything official from Baltimore saying "Hey, Gaither's on the block". It was all speculation and suggestion from "experts", saying teams that needed a good tackle should be looking to Baltimore, as Gaither was the best RFA Tackle available, and we'd most likely be willing to move him due to picking up Oher and the possible money issue Gaither would bring.
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the difference is also millions more a season......but i guess it could go either way because RB's always get injured so too much is never enough...shoots the cowboys had Barber and drafted felix jones in the first then the next year drafted Choice, so we arent the innovators of this....and the same way you can have two "stud" tackles on the field at the same time is the same way we can have Jackson and Lynch in the backfield and Spiller in the slot, or a host of other formations, not to mention Spiller is also a Special teams BEAST...so uh yea basically the same thing

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='adamj1973' date='07 May 2010 - 06:58 PM' timestamp='1273276708' post='406613']
As a Bills fan I want the Bills to get Gaither. That being said, the Bills are not in a position where they would over pay for him. The Ravens didnt or couldnt get rid of him during the draft. Some will say that the trade threat was to get him to OTA's. The players you guys are mentioning are key starters in the secondary that is the only bright spot for the Bills last season. There is no way you guys will get Mckelvin, McGee, or Byrd.

The most likely scenario will be a 2 or 3rd round pick. Maybe a 4th and a player but that player wont be any of the above. Basically Gaither is gone after next season because he wont resign to play RT at lower pay. He will get the big money somewhere else to play LT. So it is either the Ravens deal him now and get something for him or lose him next season and get nothing.
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You don't want to overpay, and we aren't going to unload him for less than he's worth. It's not even concrete that he IS gone next season. Gaither's stated he wants to be in Baltimore, and that's a start right there. So it's not a matter of "Lose him and get nothing next year, or trade him and get something" when that something is barely adequate to what he's worth. You're not going to get him for a 3rd round pick, sorry.

[Buffalo]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='07 May 2010 - 06:57 PM' timestamp='1273276677' post='406612']
The BPA theory applies in positions where multiples take the field(ie, Tackles, DEs, DTs, OLBs in 34 schemes, corners, WRs)the Bills now have two 1,000 yard rushers and a top 10 pick that they have to play. How often will two of them be on the field at the same time. Its not like Spiller is a 30 touches a game guy so why take him in the top 10. Its not a bad pick, but its definitely a head scratcher.
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The thing is Lynch is one strike away from being out of the NFL for a year, Fred Jackson is 30 years old, AND Lynch and Jackson are (kinda) similar runners....Spiller is a comepletely different type of back than those two, plus can be used as a slot receiver, wildcat qb, and of course special teams

[flynismo]

[quote name='Buffalo' date='07 May 2010 - 06:41 PM' timestamp='1273275672' post='406603']
you mean like how you guys picked Oher last year when you already had Gaither?!?!?
Spiller was the BPA and a game changer, something we didnt have, so how is it a bad pick???

Trust me, we would NEVER give up McGee AND and first!!!are you serious?????

If we wanted Gaither THAT bad i think we would have gave up a lot for him already...obviously the bills FO and ravens FO are having a tough time working out a deal they both like...because i remember Gaither being on the block long before the draftm so if he was such a HOT commoity worth what some of you guys are saying he would already be on another team
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I'll let you in on a little secret...

We dont make a trade unless it involves us bending you over.
Gaither is still here because he is a valuable and talented player. The ONLY way he goes is if we are getting tremendous value in return, because we are in no rush to see him gone.

If your FO was smart, they would walk away now while they still have a solid secondary and precious draft picks intact.

[adamj1973]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='07 May 2010 - 07:04 PM' timestamp='1273277049' post='406620']
You don't want to overpay, and we aren't going to unload him for less than he's worth. It's not even concrete that he IS gone next season. Gaither's stated he wants to be in Baltimore, and that's a start right there. So it's not a matter of "Lose him and get nothing next year, or trade him and get something" when that something is barely adequate to what he's worth. You're not going to get him for a 3rd round pick, sorry.
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It is determining his worth that is the problem. he was a 5th round pick that had some solid years at LT. If any team was willing to give up a first round pick then they would have done it in the draft. So the other teams determined he is not worth a first round pick. I would give up the second round pick in 2011 but there is no way a team is going to give up a first round pick or even a second round pick plus a player for a guy with a questionable work ethic.

[adamj1973]

[quote name='flynismo' date='07 May 2010 - 07:11 PM' timestamp='1273277505' post='406630']
I'll let you in on a little secret...

We dont make a trade unless it involves us bending you over.
Gaither is still here because he is a valuable and talented player. The ONLY way he goes is if we are getting tremendous value in return, because we are in no rush to see him gone.

If your FO was smart, they would walk away now while they still have a solid secondary and precious draft picks intact.
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the Dolphins got Brandon Marshall for 2 second round picks. There is no way Gaither gets anything like that. I think a 2011 second round pick or maybe a package of 3rd and 4ths.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Buffalo' date='07 May 2010 - 06:11 PM' timestamp='1273277502' post='406629']
The thing is Lynch is one strike away from being out of the NFL for a year, Fred Jackson is 30 years old, AND Lynch and Jackson are (kinda) similar runners....Spiller is a comepletely different type of back than those two, plus can be used as a slot receiver, wildcat qb, and of course special teams
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Spillers a scatback, but Id surprised to see him line up in the slot in the NFL. What I dont really understand is keeping all 3, if Spiller is your guy fine, but why keep all 3?

[Milton145]

[quote name='adamj1973' date='07 May 2010 - 08:16 PM' timestamp='1273277763' post='406634']
the Dolphins got Brandon Marshall for 2 second round picks. There is no way Gaither gets anything like that. I think a 2011 second round pick or maybe a package of 3rd and 4ths.
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Marshall has character concerns that brought his value down. And 2 second round picks are pretty valuable IMO. That's just me though.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='adamj1973' date='07 May 2010 - 04:16 PM' timestamp='1273277763' post='406634']
the Dolphins got Brandon Marshall for 2 second round picks. There is no way Gaither gets anything like that. I think a 2011 second round pick or maybe a package of 3rd and 4ths.
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That's fine with me. It'll be in the top 5 of the second anyway. You need a QB to win some games over there.

[adamj1973]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='07 May 2010 - 07:17 PM' timestamp='1273277820' post='406635']
Spillers a scatback, but Id surprised to see him line up in the slot in the NFL. What I dont really understand is keeping all 3, if Spiller is your guy fine, but why keep all 3?
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Spiller has first round abilities as a WR. Lynch is a liability if he gets into more trouble. Spiller is a great return man too.

[adamj1973]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='07 May 2010 - 07:18 PM' timestamp='1273277928' post='406637']
That's fine with me. It'll be in the top 5 of the second anyway. You need a QB to win some games over there.
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One piece at a time. They are going to find out what they have in Brohm and Edwards with real coaching and a real offense. if they are terrible, they will be going QB in the first round or seeing what is in free agency.

[DrMoonTooth]

Yeah really...just look at what we did with two second round picks...basically got two first round talents. Trading Gaither merits giving up at least a 2nd round pick or its equivalent.

[adamj1973]

[quote name='DrMoonTooth' date='07 May 2010 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1273278137' post='406640']
Yeah really...just look at what we did with two second round picks...basically got two first round talents. Trading Gaither merits giving up at least a 2nd round pick or its equivalent.
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I would do a second. Gaither is better than any second round tackle in the draft.

[Buffalo]

[quote name='Milton145' date='07 May 2010 - 07:18 PM' timestamp='1273277882' post='406636']
Marshall has character concerns that brought his value down. And 2 second round picks are pretty valuable IMO. That's just me though.
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and Gaither has been said to have laziness problems, if you ask me i would rather have a great player with character concerns that a great lazy player

[AwakenTheDemon]

I've lost respect for Bills fans. I just looked at their message board and saw this:
[url="http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?t=255966&page=2"]"What Raven Fans Want for Gaither"[/url]

Our buddy Lynchburgbill states he's going over to "thread crash" and numerous other's tell him to "keep it up". I linked page 2 since that's where it starts. Apparently, they cannot comprehend what a "wish" is and that we don't expect "McKelvin, Byrd, and a pick". It's angering to sit there and see them insult us because they are reading one thread and judging everyone by it. Not to mention, a Ravens fan over there claims the Baltimore Sun's forum is "more sensible" and populated than our's here. I'm not trying to instigate anything here, but c'mon.

They don't want to overpay for Gaither, yet they expect us to ship him for nothing. Such as "Um they can have a 2nd next year and Parrish for kick and punt returns. They can take that and like it.". Webb and Parmele say hi.

[flynismo]

[quote name='adamj1973' date='07 May 2010 - 07:16 PM' timestamp='1273277763' post='406634']
the Dolphins got Brandon Marshall for 2 second round picks. There is no way Gaither gets anything like that. I think a 2011 second round pick or maybe a package of 3rd and 4ths.
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And we got Boldin for a 3rd and 4th, AND got AZ to even throw in a 5th.
We got a 2nd, 3rd and 4th from Denver for our 1st, which only resulted in them moving up 17 spots.

Value is relative to the teams and players involved. What Miami did has no bearing on what goes on with BUF and BAL.

You need a OT, we'd like another DB. We don't need to get rid of Gaither, it is just as likely that we retain him.

Mark my words, IF, and a big IF, a trade goes through, it will be for one of your CB's and a draft pick. That is how we operate.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='adamj1973' date='07 May 2010 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1273278239' post='406641']
I would do a second. Gaither is better than any second round tackle in the draft.
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Which is why we [u]won't[/u] trade him for a second.

[flynismo]

[quote name='adamj1973' date='07 May 2010 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1273278126' post='406639']
One piece at a time. They are going to find out what they have in Brohm and Edwards with real coaching and a real offense. if they are terrible, they will be going QB in the first round or seeing what is in free agency.
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I like Brohm. He should've been giving the job long ago.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='adamj1973' date='07 May 2010 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1273278239' post='406641']
I would do a second. Gaither is better than any second round tackle in the draft.
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Definitely. I just wouldn't give him up for that, though...he's too valuable to our team. Then again, what choice do we have? He wants Left Tackle money, and I think he realizes that isn't his position on OUR football field any more. Either we trade him now for something or he walks next season =/.

[flynismo]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='07 May 2010 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1273278278' post='406643']
I've lost respect for Bills fans. I just looked at their message board and saw this:
[url="http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?t=255966&page=2"]"What Raven Fans Want for Gaither"[/url]

Our buddy Lynchburgbill states he's going over to "thread crash" and numerous other's tell him to "keep it up". I linked page 2 since that's where it starts. Apparently, they cannot comprehend what a "wish" is and that we don't expect "McKelvin, Byrd, and a pick". It's angering to sit there and see them insult us because they are reading one thread and judging everyone by it. Not to mention, a Ravens fan over there claims the Baltimore Sun's forum is "more sensible" and populated than our's here. I'm not trying to instigate anything here, but c'mon.

They don't want to overpay for Gaither, yet they expect us to ship him for nothing. Such as "Um they can have a 2nd next year and Parrish for kick and punt returns. They can take that and like it.". Webb and Parmele say hi.
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Seriously, who cares what some forum gangsters have to say about us? Let them talk. That's all they've got to do in BUF from January to September.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='flynismo' date='07 May 2010 - 07:31 PM' timestamp='1273278706' post='406649']
Seriously, who cares what some forum gangsters have to say about us? Let them talk. That's all they've got to do in BUF from January to September.
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Oh, sorry I found it interesting. Actually, the point was not regarding the Bills fans having nothing better to do then go troll. The point was that they expect us to ship Gaither off for nothing because they're unwilling to ship off one of their stud players for one of our stud players. Just because they're team is struggling, doesn't mean they should get charity in the forum of a great left tackle for a handful of picks, or a 2nd and Parrish. That's was the point of the post, not the rant about the classlessness (which was an amusing read, actually).

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='flynismo' date='07 May 2010 - 07:31 PM' timestamp='1273278706' post='406649']
Seriously, who cares what some forum gangsters have to say about us? Let them talk. That's all they've got to do in BUF from January to September.
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I think they're simply talking smack because they know we're going to drop a bunch of F-bombs (aka the rockets that Flacco launches) on them during the regular season xDD.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='DrMoonTooth' date='07 May 2010 - 07:36 PM' timestamp='1273278995' post='406654']
I think they're simply talking smack because they know we're going to drop a bunch of F-bombs (aka the rockets that Flacco launches) on them during the regular season xDD.
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Especially, considering one of them is still bragging about their win over us back in '07, when their 7-9 team beat our 5-11 team.

[Clutch Ravens]

I love all the arrogant Bills fans thinking they can force us into taking less for Gaither, ahem, they have NO leverage what-so-ever.

They also seem to think they have a shot at the playoffs which, frankly, is totally laughable. They have to play the Pats, Phins and Jets twice which is 6 losses straight off. They seem to have forgotten that they're a double digit loss, door-mat team that has a MASSIVE need at left tackle.

I seriously don't see where they get off thinking we're ignorant. The respect I had for Bills fans sticking with such a horrible team has just gone out the window.

Gaither would probably be the best player on their roster if they managed to acquire him.

[AwakenTheDemon]

They can always go pick up Flozell Adams if they don't want to give up something to pick up Gaither. I'd be happy to see Gaither remain in purple and black. It's not even a certainty that Gaither will be gone next year anyways. There's always a chance that we can retain him, especially if he is happy being a Raven.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='07 May 2010 - 07:38 PM' timestamp='1273279123' post='406655']
Especially, considering one of them is still bragging about their win over us back in '07, when their 7-9 team beat our 5-11 team.
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Whatever...let them fantasize about getting Gaither for a 3rd round pick and beating us in the regular season--- two things that the mass majority of fans on the 30 other teams would find just as laughable as we do.

Beating the 5-11 team certainly isn't something to brag about.

[flynismo]

+1 to the guy said Gaither would be their best player if they acquired him.
Which is PRECISELY why I said in one of my responses that value is relative to the teams and players involved.


I just peeked over on their board; and honestly I cant blame them for thinking some of us are retards. Some off the wall things were mentioned.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='07 May 2010 - 07:45 PM' timestamp='1273279543' post='406657']
They can always go pick up Flozell Adams if they don't want to give up something to pick up Gaither. I'd be happy to see Gaither remain in purple and black. It's not even a certainty that Gaither will be gone next year anyways. There's always a chance that we can retain him, especially if he is happy being a Raven.
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With Drew Rosenhaus as his agent? I hate to say it, but I just don't think Gaither would take the pay cut too lightly. I say pay cut because he would get a lot more playing Left Tackle for say...the Bills as opposed to playing Right Tackle for us. I just don't think we can afford to pay him, Oher, Ngata, Flacco, etc. over the next couple of seasons...those are all huge contracts on a team with enough massive contracts (Lewis, Suggs, Reed, etc.) already.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='07 May 2010 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1273278278' post='406643']
I've lost respect for Bills fans. I just looked at their message board and saw this:
[url="http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?t=255966&page=2"]"What Raven Fans Want for Gaither"[/url]

Our buddy Lynchburgbill states he's going over to "thread crash" and numerous other's tell him to "keep it up". I linked page 2 since that's where it starts. Apparently, they cannot comprehend what a "wish" is and that we don't expect "McKelvin, Byrd, and a pick". It's angering to sit there and see them insult us because they are reading one thread and judging everyone by it. Not to mention, a Ravens fan over there claims the Baltimore Sun's forum is "more sensible" and populated than our's here. I'm not trying to instigate anything here, but c'mon.

They don't want to overpay for Gaither, yet they expect us to ship him for nothing. Such as "Um they can have a 2nd next year and Parrish for kick and punt returns. They can take that and like it.". Webb and Parmele say hi.
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They are just jealous of us, witnessing Ravens dominating them in every aspect of the game. Sometimes losing so much can drive you insane

Ozzie and FO are beast at trading and drafting, so I have no worry.