RUMOR: Gaither to Bills?

[Token]

I'd love them to get Byrd + a 1st if Ozzie trades him

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Token' date='07 May 2010 - 02:54 PM' timestamp='1273265649' post='406506']
I'd love Byrd + a 1st
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I mean if you're going to trade Gaither you might as well get something hey, why not aim for the sky.

[flynismo]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' date='07 May 2010 - 03:48 PM' timestamp='1273265301' post='406500']
no I don't like the idea of possible "false info" being passed out . if you report it have a Source that says its not a rumor and has some Fact behind it Thats why we do not accept Bleacher Report info here because its Fan Generated most often.
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Two things:

1. Adam Scheffer is far more credible than some schlub on Bleacher Report

2. Everyone clearly understands that this is a RUMOR, it even says so in the title.

We are discussing the ramifications and possibilites if this rumor were to come to pass.

Chill out, join in the discussion if you wish.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' date='07 May 2010 - 02:56 PM' timestamp='1273258613' post='406447']
Mod 2 or 3 please kill this , this one is getting out of hand on speculation of a Falsity
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Please keep in mind that, because it is marked specifically as a rumor and has cited legitimate sources, it [i]is[/i] a valid thread. That is the key difference in threads that are pure speculation or those that cite Bleacher Report and other user-generated content.

We are proposing something in our next Moderators meeting to make it official policy to preface all rumor threads with "RUMOR" in all-caps (only Mods and Admins can write caps in titles, so we'll edit it after the fact), as well as making it mandatory to cite a source or risk thread closure.

[charchboii]

[quote name='Token' date='07 May 2010 - 04:54 PM' timestamp='1273265649' post='406506']
I'd love them to get Byrd + a 1st if Ozzie trades him
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y would they trade away a guy they just drafted last year

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='charchboii' date='07 May 2010 - 03:20 PM' timestamp='1273267228' post='406521']
y would they trade away a guy they just drafted last year
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Because they have a glaring need at T and a LT like Gaither isn't easy to come by.

[Wacko4Zacko]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' date='07 May 2010 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1273265301' post='406500']
no I don't like the idea of possible "false info" being passed out . if you report it have a Source that says its not a rumor and has some Fact behind it Thats why we do not accept Bleacher Report info here because its Fan Generated most often.
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Um here a little lesson for you. If Shefter reports it then its true. Adam Shefter is like the king of trades and rumors. so here is the lesson bro if Shefter reports it, just flow with it. He [b]NEVER[/b] repots false info.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Wacko4Zacko' date='07 May 2010 - 05:24 PM' timestamp='1273267446' post='406523']
Um here a little lesson for you. If Shefter reports it then its true. Adam Shefter is like the king of trades and rumors. so here is the lesson bro if Shefter reports it, just flow with it. He [b]NEVER[/b] repots false info.
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Just because Schefter reports it, that doesn't automatically mean it's true; a lot of misinformation is passed around in NFL circles because of guys like Schefter who keep getting the scoop.

Schefter is just more credible than his peers because he doesn't completely back a rumor unless he's almost certain it'll come to fruition. Otherwise, he'll just pass the rumor along like everyone else does and treat it as just that.

[Romo Ravens]

The rumor is all over the internet now. I wonder how long it would actually take for the trade to get done. Also, some are saying that because we moved Gaither to the other side, the team wanting to trade for him has more leverage. That's absurd. We moved him for one day. I don't want anything less than a first round pick unless it's a player and a second or third.

I can't imagine who we would get though. Some on ESPN are saying Lynch should be involved. That's a LMAO moment. If it isn't for McKelvin or McGee, I'd say no way. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if we traded Gaither for McKelvin plus a third! I mean [i]it is[/i] Ozzie we're talking about here.

Some also say Whitner. Why would we need him when we have Ed Reed who says he feels 25 again, Zibi, Nakamura and Landry. We are stacked at S, and Whitner is overrated. I guess the situation is really dependant on when they think Webb is coming back. If he is indeed on the PUP list, then by all means, get us McKelvin. Could you imagine him with Foxworth and Washington in the nickel? Carr doesn't look that bad as a 4th either. Then, when Webb returns, we can interchange Webb with Leodis depending on the situation. But us getting McKelvin is probably as much as false as us getting Marshawn Lynch, at least to Bills fans. But hey, we don't have one of the best FO's in the league without a reason. Let's all hope for a DB.

Edit: For all of you who want Byrd, you can just stop it now.

[charchboii]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' date='07 May 2010 - 05:23 PM' timestamp='1273267424' post='406522']
Because they have a glaring need at T and a LT like Gaither isn't easy to come by.
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so they should trade draft picks not guys that are essential to there sorry team

[charchboii]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='07 May 2010 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1273267593' post='406525']
The rumor is all over the internet now. I wonder how long it would actually take for the trade to get done. Also, some are saying that because we moved Gaither to the other side, the team wanting to trade for him has more leverage. That's absurd. We moved him for one day. I don't want anything less than a first round pick unless it's a player and a second or third.

I can't imagine who we would get though. Some on ESPN are saying Lynch should be involved. That's a LMAO moment. If it isn't for McKelvin or McGee, I'd say no way. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if we traded Gaither for McKelvin plus a third! I mean [i]it is[/i] Ozzie we're talking about here.

Some also say Whitner. Why would we need him when we have Ed Reed who says he feels 25 again, Zibi, Nakamura and Landry. We are stacked at S, and Whitner is overrated. I guess the situation is really dependant on when they think Webb is coming back. If he is indeed on the PUP list, then by all means, get us McKelvin. Could you imagine him with Foxworth and Washington in the nickel? Carr doesn't look that bad as a 4th either. Then, when Webb returns, we can interchange Webb with Leodis depending on the situation. But us getting McKelvin is probably as much as false as us getting Marshawn Lynch, at least to Bills fans. But hey, we don't have one of the best FO's in the league without a reason. Let's all hope for a DB.

Edit: For all of you who want Byrd, you can just stop it now.
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thank u someone with some sense byrds not comin here

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='charchboii' date='07 May 2010 - 03:28 PM' timestamp='1273267702' post='406526']
so they should trade draft picks not guys that are essential to there sorry team
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And what happens when the F.O tells the Bills to go shove their draft picks? The Bills still need a LT and Gaither is a pretty solid LT. It's all about supply and demand - we have the supply, they have the demand, thus giving us the leverage in talks.

[McBurks]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='07 May 2010 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1273267593' post='406525']
The rumor is all over the internet now. I wonder how long it would actually take for the trade to get done. Also, some are saying that because we moved Gaither to the other side, the team wanting to trade for him has more leverage. That's absurd. We moved him for one day. I don't want anything less than a first round pick unless it's a player and a second or third.

I can't imagine who we would get though. Some on ESPN are saying Lynch should be involved. That's a LMAO moment. If it isn't for McKelvin or McGee, I'd say no way. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if we traded Gaither for McKelvin plus a third! I mean [i]it is[/i] Ozzie we're talking about here.

Some also say Whitner. Why would we need him when we have Ed Reed who says he feels 25 again, Zibi, Nakamura and Landry. We are stacked at S, and Whitner is overrated. I guess the situation is really dependant on when they think Webb is coming back. If he is indeed on the PUP list, then by all means, get us McKelvin. Could you imagine him with Foxworth and Washington in the nickel? Carr doesn't look that bad as a 4th either. Then, when Webb returns, we can interchange Webb with Leodis depending on the situation. But us getting McKelvin is probably as much as false as us getting Marshawn Lynch, at least to Bills fans. But hey, we don't have one of the best FO's in the league without a reason. Let's all hope for a DB.

Edit: [b]For all of you who want Byrd, you can just stop it now.[/b]
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Exactly.

The Bills might be willing to trade for Gaither but they're not going to trade away a potential defensive play maker.Not everyday does an Ed Reed pop up on your roster.

[FerrariFan87]

This rumor was started because Gaither was switched to RT... if Gaither was seen taking snaps at LT then there's probably no rumor.

[AwakenTheDemon]

For those of you who are keeping telling us to just "stop it now" regarding Byrd. I don't think [i]anyone[/i] here seriously expects Buffalo to trade him to us. What's being said is it'd be awesome if they did, but that's all. Most of us are expecting a cornerback and a pick. So stop getting all over people who are just saying it'd be pretty amazing to see Buffalo trade Byrd.

[sliceanddic3]

Byrd is highly unlikely, and I think it will be McKelvin and a 4th or 5th in 2011 for Gaither. But thats just me...

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='07 May 2010 - 02:29 PM' timestamp='1273271383' post='406556']
[b]So stop getting all over people who are just saying it'd be pretty amazing to see Buffalo trade Byrd.[/b][/quote]

Or?

The opinion is useless.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='sliceanddic3' date='07 May 2010 - 02:59 PM' timestamp='1273273188' post='406566']
[s]Byrd is highly unlikely[/s], and I think it will be McKelvin and a 4th or 5th in 2011 for Gaither. But thats just me...
[/quote]

It's impossible. But I like the McKelvin idea.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='Runnin Raven' date='07 May 2010 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1273256134' post='406428']
Our entire offensive line's play is dependent upon the presence of Jared Gaither? Really? The we have more problems than people think.

Didn't Gaither miss some time last season? Did Joe "get killed" during that span?

Make no mistake, I want to keep him, but the idea that its all over if he's gone is a little extreme.
[/quote]

Someone obviously wasn't watching the Minnesota game where Flacco got pounded enough times to injure his hip...

So yes, Joe got creamed on numerous times in several games without Gaither. Just go watch a couple highlights so you'll be more informed next time.

[RoflDogs]

Just a 1st round pick would do for me

[theFRANCHISE]

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[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

Looks like someone didnt get to stick around here for very long.

[sliceanddic3]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' date='07 May 2010 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1273274679' post='406590']
Looks like someone didnt get to stick around here for very long.
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Good, thanks for taking him out Franny

[Clutch Ravens]

Honestly, if we are going to trade Gaither, we need to extort as much as we can out of Buffalo. This is the same team that picked CJ Spiller when it's only solid position on the roster is Runningback.

I'd probably prefer Terrence McGee and a 1st as opposed to Mckelvin and a 3rd/4th. Of course, all of this is speculation, but if it were to happen then I think a good veteran along with a top 10 pick (Next years draft class appears to suck at OT and Buffalo may have realised that) would be better than a player still learning that may be a good contributor, plus what is likely to be a depth player. Those needing offensive line help in the 2011 draft would seem to be short on luck, meaning Gaither's value COULD be higher. This was a great draft year, particularly for the trenches. Next year's, however, is more of a skill position draft. (Patrick Peterson, Ras I-Dowling, Prince Amukamara, Julio Jones, A.J Green, Jonathan Baldwin etc.)

There are, however, factors that could be driving down Gaither's value: Flozell Adams is a UFA and Jammal Brown is apparently available. Flozell would give them a stop-gap tackle and Brown would be able to lock it down for a couple of years. Gaither would give them what could be a franchise left tackle which SHOULD drive up his price.

It all really depends on how highly Buffalo rate him, how they rate the likely 2011 O-line prospects, where they think they're likely to pick next year and how they rate the guys already on their roster.

[Buffalo]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='07 May 2010 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1273274012' post='406580']
No one ever seriously suggested that we'd get Byrd, McKelvin AND a pick for Gaither. It was just that, a wish, and it was mostly just for the lulz. Everyone and their mother here knows that we couldn't get Byrd, McKelvin and a pick. Most of us realize that even just Byrd is unlikely as it is. There's no need to post with that sort of attitude. Especially as a guest on our boards.
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The guys may have been joking but geez....you guys would be lucky to get Mcgee, let alone Leodis who is one of our future cornerstones....and Byrd only could be a joke because i doubt you can even get Byrd if you guys gave up Gaither PLUS a pick...the guy just set a record for interceptions in a season for rookies....why would we create more holes just to fill another...thats like taking a step backwards

You guys also have to realize that the ravens dont have much bargaining power seeing that the Gaither will be a free agent next year and other teams know he is on his way out....

also remember that Buffalo is really in rebuiling mode, so regardless what you think even though it is a need, we arent DESPERATE for a LT THIS season..we dont even have a Franchise QB to protect, so LT isnt as much of a need as some ppl believe. I believe the FO is ready to see what they have this year and wait till next draft because Nix and Co have made it a point that we are building thru the draft...if we were really that desperate for a LT we would already have one....remember guys, this isnt the same old bills F.O.

[Buffalo]

[quote name='Give it to Clutch Clayton' date='07 May 2010 - 06:27 PM' timestamp='1273274876' post='406595']
Honestly, if we are going to trade Gaither, we need to extort as much as we can out of Buffalo. This is the same team that picked CJ Spiller when it's only solid position on the roster is Runningback.

I'd probably prefer Terrence McGee and a 1st as opposed to Mckelvin and a 3rd/4th. Of course, all of this is speculation, but if it were to happen then I think a good veteran along with a top 10 pick (Next years draft class appears to suck at OT and Buffalo may have realised that) would be better than a player still learning that may be a good contributor, plus what is likely to be a depth player. Those needing offensive line help in the 2011 draft would seem to be short on luck, meaning Gaither's value COULD be higher. This was a great draft year, particularly for the trenches. Next year's, however, is more of a skill position draft. (Patrick Peterson, Ras I-Dowling, Prince Amukamara, Julio Jones, A.J Green, Jonathan Baldwin etc.)

There are, however, factors that could be driving down Gaither's value: Flozell Adams is a UFA and Jammal Brown is apparently available. Flozell would give them a stop-gap tackle and Brown would be able to lock it down for a couple of years. Gaither would give them what could be a franchise left tackle which SHOULD drive up his price.

It all really depends on how highly Buffalo rate him, how they rate the likely 2011 O-line prospects, where they think they're likely to pick next year and how they rate the guys already on their roster.
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you mean like how you guys picked Oher last year when you already had Gaither?!?!?
Spiller was the BPA and a game changer, something we didnt have, so how is it a bad pick???

Trust me, we would NEVER give up McGee AND and first!!!are you serious?????

If we wanted Gaither THAT bad i think we would have gave up a lot for him already...obviously the bills FO and ravens FO are having a tough time working out a deal they both like...because i remember Gaither being on the block long before the draftm so if he was such a HOT commoity worth what some of you guys are saying he would already be on another team

[AwakenTheDemon]

There's a difference in taking a stud tackle in the draft when you already have a stud tackle, and taking a stud running back when you have 2 very good runningbacks already. That difference is that there's a tackle on each side of the line, so you could USE both tackles. Anyways, there was never anything official from Baltimore saying "Hey, Gaither's on the block". It was all speculation and suggestion from "experts", saying teams that needed a good tackle should be looking to Baltimore, as Gaither was the best RFA Tackle available, and we'd most likely be willing to move him due to picking up Oher and the possible money issue Gaither would bring.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='Buffalo' date='07 May 2010 - 07:41 PM' timestamp='1273275672' post='406603']
[b]you mean like how you guys picked Oher last year when you already had Gaither?!?!?[/b]
Spiller was the BPA and a game changer, something we didnt have, so how is it a bad pick???

Trust me, we would NEVER give up McGee AND and first!!!are you serious?????

If we wanted Gaither THAT bad i think we would have gave up a lot for him already...obviously the bills FO and ravens FO are having a tough time working out a deal they both like...because i remember Gaither being on the block long before the draftm so if he was such a HOT commoity worth what some of you guys are saying he would already be on another team
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We had a huge gaping hole at RT, and Oher was the BPA

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Buffalo' date='07 May 2010 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1273275672' post='406603']
you mean like how you guys picked Oher last year when you already had Gaither?!?!?
Spiller was the BPA and a game changer, something we didnt have, so how is it a bad pick???

Trust me, we would NEVER give up McGee AND and first!!!are you serious?????

If we wanted Gaither THAT bad i think we would have gave up a lot for him already...obviously the bills FO and ravens FO are having a tough time working out a deal they both like...because i remember Gaither being on the block long before the draftm so if he was such a HOT commoity worth what some of you guys are saying he would already be on another team
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The BPA theory applies in positions where multiples take the field(ie, Tackles, DEs, DTs, OLBs in 34 schemes, corners, WRs)the Bills now have two 1,000 yard rushers and a top 10 pick that they have to play. How often will two of them be on the field at the same time. Its not like Spiller is a 30 touches a game guy so why take him in the top 10. Its not a bad pick, but its definitely a head scratcher.

[adamj1973]

As a Bills fan I want the Bills to get Gaither. That being said, the Bills are not in a position where they would over pay for him. The Ravens didnt or couldnt get rid of him during the draft. Some will say that the trade threat was to get him to OTA's. The players you guys are mentioning are key starters in the secondary that is the only bright spot for the Bills last season. There is no way you guys will get Mckelvin, McGee, or Byrd.

The most likely scenario will be a 2 or 3rd round pick. Maybe a 4th and a player but that player wont be any of the above. Basically Gaither is gone after next season because he wont resign to play RT at lower pay. He will get the big money somewhere else to play LT. So it is either the Ravens deal him now and get something for him or lose him next season and get nothing.