Flacco Vs Ryan

[3-4ravdef509]

They're both amazing quarterbacks, but I prefer Flacco because I think he has more of the intangibles. Not that Matt Ryan doesn't have some of them, but Flacco's toughness and determination that we've seen the past two years just **** away. When I think of Flacco's comeback (almost, darned hauschka) against Minnesota, same with the first Pats game, and how flacco played through half the year with an injury...idk, I think Flacco just has something that stats can't measure, that I don't see in Ryan as much.
Another good example...Green Bay. Yes, horrible game at first glance. 3 picks, caused by break downs in protection and Flacco panicking. But despite failing time and time again, he was still coming out play after play, and he wasn't giving up, and helped get at least two touchdowns on the board. This man puts out so much effort, and all the adversity he's been through hasn't deterred him.
Other key facts that I think help him stick out: Ryan's first Td pass went against the Lions...Flacco's went against the Steelers, and they were the league's best defense that year.
Flacco not only became the third quarterback in league history to win his first post-season game, but he was was the first to win it on the road, and the first to win two playoff games.
Ryan threw one less int than Flacco improved in every area, except tying his int total.
That being said, I think several years from now, the debate will continue, much as it does for Manning and Brady. They'll both reach the top level of qbs in the league, but I think Flacco will be the more successful.

[flynismo]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='09 May 2010 - 02:38 PM' timestamp='1273433933' post='407563']
They're both amazing quarterbacks, but I prefer Flacco because I think he has more of the intangibles. Not that Matt Ryan doesn't have some of them, but Flacco's toughness and determination that we've seen the past two years just **** away. When I think of Flacco's comeback (almost, darned hauschka) against Minnesota, same with the first Pats game, and how flacco played through half the year with an injury...idk, I think Flacco just has something that stats can't measure, that I don't see in Ryan as much.
Another good example...Green Bay. Yes, horrible game at first glance. 3 picks, caused by break downs in protection and Flacco panicking. But despite failing time and time again, he was still coming out play after play, and he wasn't giving up, and helped get at least two touchdowns on the board. This man puts out so much effort, and all the adversity he's been through hasn't deterred him.
Other key facts that I think help him stick out: Ryan's first Td pass went against the Lions...Flacco's went against the Steelers, and they were the league's best defense that year.
Flacco not only became the third quarterback in league history to win his first post-season game, but he was was the first to win it on the road, and the first to win two playoff games.
Ryan threw one less int than Flacco improved in every area, except tying his int total.
That being said, I think several years from now, the debate will continue, much as it does for Manning and Brady. They'll both reach the top level of qbs in the league, but I think Flacco will be the more successful.
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My favorite Flacco game so far was in his rookie year, against Cleveland.

They had us down either 10 or 14 points, forget which, heading into the fourth.

My exact thoughts were, "This is a game the old Ravens would never win. Let's see if he can rally up a few drives and win this for us."

We ended up coming back and winning.

I cannot wait til Flacco hits his peak. I have a feeling by the time it is all said and done, he will have had a HOF career.

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='08 May 2010 - 02:46 PM' timestamp='1273344403' post='407035']
Yes, Ryan has White and Gonzalez. However, Flacco now has Boldin, Mason, Heap, Rice, Stallworth, Pitta, and Dickson. Granted, it'll remain to be seen how effective Stallworth, Pitta, and Dickson turn out to be this season.
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Yeah Pitta and Dickson, yet to play an NFL game, serious weapons right there.

[Marc2k6]

Flacco needs to be concerned with being better than the QB's in the AFC North. Win those important division games!

[The Flock]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='08 May 2010 - 02:43 PM' timestamp='1273344226' post='407030']
Part of me can already hear the excuses from some Atlanta fans if we beat their Falcons:
"Flacco had more weapons than Ryan!"
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They can't have any excuses Flacco is the better QB and that's all there is to it. Always was and Always will be.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

hmm well we know a verticle game is all they will have MT Cody will make sure of that can Ryan runaway from suggs and kindle at the same time or kindle and ellerbe?


last years stats Rush D for Atl : 10 Passing D:28 ok unless they improve thier secondary good by this aint a contest

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' date='09 May 2010 - 05:34 PM' timestamp='1273444478' post='407683']
Yeah Pitta and Dickson, yet to play an NFL game, serious weapons right there.
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Hey, thanks for ignoring the rest of that post you quoted. Here, I'll quote the full thing for you:

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='08 May 2010 - 01:46 PM' timestamp='1273344403' post='407035']
Yes, Ryan has White and Gonzalez. However, Flacco now has Boldin, Mason, Heap, Rice, Stallworth, Pitta, and Dickson. [u][b]Granted, it'll remain to be seen how effective Stallworth, Pitta, and Dickson turn out to be this season.[/b][/u]
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Please refer to the bold and underlined portion of the quote. I don't appreciate you ignoring half of my post, then making an out-of-context snide remark about it.

Anyways, god forbid I should mention two college tight ends who were fantastic at making the catch. Did I say they were "serious" weapons? Why, I do believe I didn't. Just like I never claimed Stallworth to be a weapon, just yet. However, they were two tight ends in the draft toted for their receiving abilities. I believe I'm not the only one who expects them to be put to use this season.

[UD Ravens Fan]

Both are good qb's and are going to be great qb's. Quite different from the Russels (who, gone!) and Brady Quinn's who get so much hype. Of course, Ryan gets lots of hype too. He's good, he deserves it. Joe will never get so much hype, first the establishment resents that he can make it in the NFL after coming from Delaware and 2nd, his personality just doesn't need it. He will lead the Ravens to a championship and still not get much attention. He just works his butt off to get better every day to get the job done. And when asked, he'll credit his team mates as the reason for success.

B'more could not ask for a better leader for the Ravens.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='flynismo' date='08 May 2010 - 10:05 PM' timestamp='1273370756' post='407251']
Forget stats. We all know Ryan has had Hot Rod, Tony G and Michael Turner there to make him look good.

Here's how you determine which QB is better.

If your life depended on you winning, who do you want to be quarterbacking your team.... Flacco or Ryan?

You have a pair of okay WRs, a decent offensive line, and a very good running back. Your defense is shaky, so you will need to lean heavily on your offense to win, and survive.

Who do you take?
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Neither, you QB the team yourself!

[Catfish81]

im not really worried about the Falcons or Ryan. I think its pretty obvious who the better QB is and with the addition of Boldin and Stallworth the whole world will realize it too.

[raven disciple]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='08 May 2010 - 01:43 PM' timestamp='1273344226' post='407030']
Part of me can already hear the excuses from some Atlanta fans if we beat their Falcons:
"Flacco had more weapons than Ryan!"
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flacco had nothing (with the exception of d-mase who had one arm)when he won 3 playoff games, got to make it happen with what you got like my man joe can, ryan came in with wr help still have`nt won nothing lol

[raven disciple]

[quote name='sliceanddic3' date='08 May 2010 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1273345333' post='407049']
I think its still funny how ESPN and NFL Network still think Ryan's better than Flacco. We Ravens fans know that hes not, and they will know after they play each other.
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we get no respect anyway but they will see

[raven disciple]

[quote name='flynismo' date='08 May 2010 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1273345376' post='407052']
Okay, first I want to say I was wrong about Ryan.
Heading into the draft, I felt Flacco was far and away the best QB in that class, and prayed to god the rumors were false that we were targeting Ryan.
I thought that Ryan had huge bust potential. Clearly, I was wrong about that. Ryan has the talent to be a good, even very good QB. No one can take that from him.
However, I do still think he is over rated.

On the other hand, Flacco has been a better player so far, and with less weapons.
Now that Flacco also has an elite WR and elite RB like Ryan has enjoyed, this whole debate is going to look very silly by year's end.

Flacco is on the verge of greatness. Yes, I said greatness. Ryan is not near that level yet. Time will tell if he ever will be. For his and his fans' sake, I hope he does.

Until then, we got the two biggest steals of the 2008 draft --- Flacco and Rice.
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hopefully in the history of drafts

[Brendan Ayres]

[quote name='TSizzle00' date='08 May 2010 - 03:41 PM' timestamp='1273344083' post='407029']
As you all know the Ravens face the NFC South this year. That means we get the Falcons which is toward the middle of the season if I am correct. I have waited so long for the Ravens to go up against the Falcons for no other reason then for Flacco to beat Matt Ryan head to head. I know quite a bit of Flacon fans and they for the last 2 years have been trying to convince me that Matt Ryan is soo much better. This will be a big season for the Ravens offense to see if they really get things together but this small battle between 08 drafted QBs will be a thing to watch. Now for any Falcon fans who happen to read this Im not saying Matt Ryan sucks im just saying hes not better then Flacco. Qbs are judged on playoff wins, head to head matchups, and SB rings.

If this post has already been done my mistake, I haven't been on here much recently.
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I hope you're right; we're definitely the better team. However, if I'm not mistaken, we will be playing that game on a short week.

[darklight1216]

In the media, it's almost like Ryan went from rookie G.O.A.T. to just plain goat. I'm hearing him being referred to as the weakest link, like he's Mark Sanchez or something.

It's too bad that Flacco probably won't be rated as highly as Ryan as long as "He has the Ravens defense!" But whatever, just win.

[Ravensfan23]

Flacco needs to improve his late season production in order to take that next step imo. I think Cam said it best, we don't just wanna be able to pass the ball well against the poor teams or the good teams, but also against the elite playoff teams.

With the additions we now have on offense, our passing game shouldn't disappear like in years past.

As for Flacco vs Ryan, this year will tell a lot. No more excuses for either guy. Both have really good playoff caliber teams around them. In Ryan's case a playoff team, in Flacco's case playoffs are not good enough.

I think one thing that has set Flacco apart from Ryan so far is the ability to put his team in position to win games late. Flacco put the Ravens in position to win at least 3 or 4 games in comeback fashion last year. That's not to mention the comeback vs the Browns and the game winning drive vs the Titans in the playoffs his rookie year.

Also another thing to think about. Flacco will have a chance to separate himself from a handful of other young QBs in head to head battles this year. Ryan, Henne, Shancez, and the kid in Tampa. Also he'll be able to measure up to some of the better QBs in the league like Shaub, Brady, Brees, Plamer and Ben, so Flacco can really make some noise this year.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='14 May 2010 - 12:05 AM' timestamp='1273809942' post='409787']
Flacco needs to improve his late season production in order to take that next step imo. I think Cam said it best, we don't just wanna be able to pass the ball well against the poor teams or the good teams, but also against the elite playoff teams.

With the additions we now have on offense, our passing game shouldn't disappear like in years past.

As for Flacco vs Ryan, this year will tell a lot. No more excuses for either guy. Both have really good playoff caliber teams around them. In Ryan's case a playoff team, in Flacco's case playoffs are not good enough.

I think one thing that has set Flacco apart from Ryan so far is the ability to put his team in position to win games late. Flacco put the Ravens in position to win at least 3 or 4 games in comeback fashion last year. That's not to mention the comeback vs the Browns and the game winning drive vs the Titans in the playoffs his rookie year.

Also another thing to think about. Flacco will have a chance to separate himself from a handful of other young QBs in head to head battles this year. Ryan, Henne, Shancez, and the kid in Tampa. Also he'll be able to measure up to some of the better QBs in the league like Shaub, Brady, Brees, Plamer and Ben, so Flacco can really make some noise this year.
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I tend to agree with most of which you said. The only thing I might add would be in Flaccos defense about late season production. One can only expect so much out of a Qb who was probably injured enough that he should have stayed off the field. It just isnt part of his nature and I think he did pretty good with those injuries. In addition most teams had more than enough game tape to view and game plan to limit the options Flacco had to work with. Meaning our recieving corp. was very predictable. I dont see this being a problem this year and Flacco should be miles ahead of Ryan by the end of the season and probably many more of those you listed.

[Ravens & Cardinals Fan]

I think the comparision between both qb's started for me when Ryan won A.P. Rookie of the Year and Flacco won Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Year , I bet those A.P. writers are prolly wondering if they choose the right one for each award if they know what they do now then, think about it Flacco had to earn the stats he has now, not saying Ryan didnt but Ryan walked into a Offensive team meanwhile Flacco went to Ray Lewis's team not known for a QB to establish itself and lead a team to victory. Flacco in each year has took our team to playoffs in both years mean while gaining three playoff wins and overcame injuries all last year meanwhile putting up numbers with a C+ recieving corp, now to get to the final point of what im saying Ryan has had offensive weapons and put up the same stats almost as Flacco and never won a game in the playoffs just dont make sense to me Flacco is the better QB hands down and this football season I set the bar high for him to dominate over Ryan and many other QB's that he will face this season making him nowhere comparable to the younger QB's he will face but comparable to the more Elite type QB's.

[Guest RBates]

Point blank Matt Ryan plays in a week division. Flacco is way better than him. I would love to see Matt Ryan come to the AFC North and do what Flacco and company did.

[#1falconfan]

[quote name='Wacko4Zacko' date='08 May 2010 - 10:45 PM' timestamp='1273373102' post='407262']
Dotn forget they have peria jerry who they drafted last year and they got Sean Witherspoon this year. In FA they signed Dunta Robinson. So its not only John Abraham who you have to watch out for.
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Dont forget Babs who is one of the most underrated defensive tackles in the league.

[#1falconfan]

[quote name='Jamal' date='08 May 2010 - 11:35 PM' timestamp='1273376121' post='407277']
Well most casual fans will look at the playoff wins and automatically declare Flacco the better QB. Their defense wasn't even close to our defense.

I heard the same fans say Ryan was the better QB when Flacco had that horrible stretch from the Raiders and Pats game.

Really at this point its like arguing Manning or Brady. I'm not saying they are those kind of players. Not even close. But great points can be made on both half's.

I personally would take Flacco because he fits our team better. But thats like me choosing Brady over Manning.
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I 100% agree

[#1falconfan]

[quote name='RBates' date='15 May 2010 - 04:28 AM' timestamp='1273912135' post='410203']
Point blank Matt Ryan plays in a week division. Flacco is way better than him. I would love to see Matt Ryan come to the AFC North and do what Flacco and company did.
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Dude the NFC South has been the better division in the past two years.

[Dave LaP]

[quote name='TSizzle00' date='08 May 2010 - 02:41 PM' timestamp='1273344083' post='407029']
As you all know the Ravens face the NFC South this year. That means we get the Falcons which is toward the middle of the season if I am correct. I have waited so long for the Ravens to go up against the Falcons for no other reason then for Flacco to beat Matt Ryan head to head. I know quite a bit of Flacon fans and they for the last 2 years have been trying to convince me that Matt Ryan is soo much better. This will be a big season for the Ravens offense to see if they really get things together but this small battle between 08 drafted QBs will be a thing to watch. Now for any Falcon fans who happen to read this Im not saying Matt Ryan sucks im just saying hes not better then Flacco. Qbs are judged on playoff wins, head to head matchups, and SB rings.

If this post has already been done my mistake, I haven't been on here much recently.
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They are both very good young QB's.

I want to see Flacco do really well too. Of course it IS the Ravens vs. the Falcons not just Flacco vs. Ryan.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='#1falconfan' date='16 May 2010 - 03:20 PM' timestamp='1274041253' post='410561']
Dude the NFC South has been the better division in the past two years.
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The NFC South has two good teams and two bad teams. The AFC North had two good teams two years ago, and three good teams last year. I'm sorry, how does that make the NFC South the better division when you play the Bucs and Panthers two times a year?

[darklight1216]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='17 May 2010 - 01:41 PM' timestamp='1274118072' post='410883']
The NFC South has two good teams and two bad teams. The AFC North had two good teams two years ago, and three good teams last year. I'm sorry, how does that make the NFC South the better division when you play the Bucs and Panthers two times a year?
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Interestingly, both have sent three teams to the playoffs in the last two seasons (with the AFCN sending two each year). Both of the last two Superbowl winners have come from those divisions, and last year both combined for 33 wins in each group. However, the NFC South had nine more wins in 2008, but I believe the AFC North has more playoff wins and playoff winning teams in the last two years.

[Wyzeguy]

A couple of things. AFCN and NFCS are my two favorite divisions, with AFCN winning out because it holds my boys in purple and black. But until about a season ago, the NFCS was a complete charlie-foxtrot, which made it really fun to watch. I've always rooted for the Falcons in that division, mainly for the human highlight reel. Vick was crazy.

With that said, at this point, the NFCS is not better than the AFCN. NFCS always has a clear cut leader/winner of the division while the AFCN is filled with Playoff (dare I say, Championship) caliber teams, almost to the point where winning the division (while it's still an important goal to achieve) isn't necessary. Come playoff time, it's a coin toss.

Lemme tell you, I cannot WAIT til Week 10. To me, this is easily the second coming of Manning v Brady. Mind you, I still expect the Ravens to win, but at the same time I'd like to see an awesome game between two highly touted QBs.


... and Roddy White is overrated... Larry-Fitzgerald-money? Are you kidding me?

[Milton145]

Really haven't watched too much of Ryan but if you look at stats, Flacco is statistically better

Also, Flacco has a big arm and killer accuracy. Not to mention he's 8 feet tall and when he decides to tuck the ball he's like a bulldozing QB version of LeRon McClain

[TSizzle00]

Stats wise both are very equal except Ryan has had more weapons.

[#1falconfan]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='17 May 2010 - 01:41 PM' timestamp='1274118072' post='410883']
The NFC South has two good teams and two bad teams. The AFC North had two good teams two years ago, and three good teams last year. I'm sorry, how does that make the NFC South the better division when you play the Bucs and Panthers two times a year?
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Dude last year the NFC South didn't have a team that had a losing record, and this year only 1 team with a losing record. Also Carolina finished 8-8 last year that is not a bad team. Plus the super bowl champions in our division.

[#1falconfan]

[quote name='Wyzeguy' date='17 May 2010 - 03:05 PM' timestamp='1274123127' post='410916']
A couple of things. AFCN and NFCS are my two favorite divisions, with AFCN winning out because it holds my boys in purple and black. But until about a season ago, the NFCS was a complete charlie-foxtrot, which made it really fun to watch. I've always rooted for the Falcons in that division, mainly for the human highlight reel. Vick was crazy.

With that said, at this point, the NFCS is not better than the AFCN. NFCS always has a clear cut leader/winner of the division while the AFCN is filled with Playoff (dare I say, Championship) caliber teams, almost to the point where winning the division (while it's still an important goal to achieve) isn't necessary. Come playoff time, it's a coin toss.

Lemme tell you, I cannot WAIT til Week 10. To me, this is easily the second coming of Manning v Brady. Mind you, I still expect the Ravens to win, but at the same time I'd like to see an awesome game between two highly touted QBs.


... and Roddy White is overrated... Larry-Fitzgerald-money? Are you kidding me?
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Dude Roddy is not overrated, if that is the case then Boldin is overrated