Madden 11

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='10 May 2010 - 08:34 PM' timestamp='1273538087' post='408296']
when you goto player management each player has a letter grade for their potential. What I dont understand is how guys who are 32+ years old can have "A" potential, past 33 theyre not going to get any better/
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Ahhhh! Gotcha. Well, the potential never changes. It's up to you to take their age into account. i.e., have they peaked? How much further will they peak?, etc.

I LOVE the potential thing.

[SupaBwandin]

Yea, + and - should definately be added this year on potentials

[thewarden86]

The one thing I want is the ability (outside of a game) to customize who participates in a particular play. I can do it QUICKLY during the game if I wan to say use my 3rd down back in all shot gun formations, but I'd really like to ensure that my backup safeties and CB's and LB's are used in place of WR's on Kickoffs and that my speed guys are on the out side during punt coverages. I'm not sure why they did away with that.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='14 May 2010 - 03:46 PM' timestamp='1273870013' post='410015']
The one thing I want is the ability (outside of a game) to customize who participates in a particular play. I can do it QUICKLY during the game if I wan to say use my 3rd down back in all shot gun formations, but I'd really like to ensure that my backup safeties and CB's and LB's are used in place of WR's on Kickoffs and that my speed guys are on the out side during punt coverages. I'm not sure why they did away with that.
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Agreed. It's such a pain to bring in Sergio Kindle on third downs. Pause, Coaching, Depth Chart, LOLB. Since they don't give you a swap OLB option on the package subs in the play calling screen.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='14 May 2010 - 05:35 PM' timestamp='1273872911' post='410033']
Agreed. It's such a pain to bring in Sergio Kindle on third downs. Pause, Coaching, Depth Chart, LOLB. Since they don't give you a swap OLB option on the package subs in the play calling screen.
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Exactly. I drafted a MLB who was only 5' 8" (He was rated at the top in potential and was predicted to go in the 7th round. I grabbed him the 6th). I converted him to a SS (he hits hard) and he was a 79 A (just lacks speed). I want him on KO coverages but I have to replace my nickle to get him where I want, then change back.

I used to set up ALL of my formations to suit my talent. I miss that.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='11 May 2010 - 04:16 PM' timestamp='1273616189' post='408727']
Ahhhh! Gotcha. Well, the potential never changes. It's up to you to take their age into account. i.e., have they peaked? How much further will they peak?, etc.

I LOVE the potential thing.
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Personally I love it to, as sad as it is its basically as realistic as real life when drafting...your looking for potential.

[gixxerhoff750]

I want to second that!! We need to be able to ajustment personel on formations in franchise mode. All I want to do is slide ngata inside on formations with 4 downline man with out changing him from DE on 3 DL sets (3-4) You could do it on 09 why not on 10?

[JO_75]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='11 May 2010 - 06:16 PM' timestamp='1273616189' post='408727']
Ahhhh! Gotcha. Well, the potential never changes. It's up to you to take their age into account. i.e., have they peaked? How much further will they peak?, etc.

I LOVE the potential thing.
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I love the potential thing too but it's broken. The one thing that hurts this potential system is that it never changes. You could draft a WR with D potential with an OVR of a 55 and he is a starter and he puts up great numbers but his potential don't go up, only his rating. Plus with the system, they are capped off at a certain OVR and won't go any higher than what EA capped it off at. The best way around it though is to cheat out the system and edit a players overall which would change their potential. The way to do that is edit the overall to a certain number, if they are a D potential(note: You can only do this outside of Franchise) change their overall to 70, which brings them to a C potential, 80 to a B and 90 for an A.

I really hope they fix the potential system to allow players potential to go up or down based on their play.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='JO_75' date='16 May 2010 - 11:09 PM' timestamp='1274069340' post='410743']
I love the potential thing too but it's broken. The one thing that hurts this potential system is that it never changes. You could draft a WR with D potential with an OVR of a 55 and he is a starter and he puts up great numbers but his potential don't go up, only his rating. Plus with the system, they are capped off at a certain OVR and won't go any higher than what EA capped it off at. The best way around it though is to cheat out the system and edit a players overall which would change their potential. The way to do that is edit the overall to a certain number, if they are a D potential(note: You can only do this outside of Franchise) change their overall to 70, which brings them to a C potential, 80 to a B and 90 for an A.

I really hope they fix the potential system to allow players potential to go up or down based on their play.
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This is true, they need to study drafting success and failures and base potential on more than just the round they were drafted in.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I'm rather annoyed that they're going back to the old field goal kicking mechanics (press A, press A again for Power, then press A again for accuracy). I liked the right stick so much better.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='16 May 2010 - 10:59 PM' timestamp='1274072378' post='410760']
I'm rather annoyed that they're going back to the old field goal kicking mechanics (press A, press A again for Power, then press A again for accuracy). I liked the right stick so much better.
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Agreed, but I think the reason they are changing it is because it is too easy.

[Radinho84]

in fact they don´t change anything from year to year. when they have a thing that everybody likes, they take it out of the game the next year. now they are celebrating themselves for realistic faces? c´mon, on nba live you have the feelin that you r watching a real game on tv. those faces in nfl 10 where very bad. also that they put their starting qb on the phone before every snap even if he is out of the game!!!

madden has so many mistakes that it makes me whanna scream a whole day!!!!

[Bltravens]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='17 May 2010 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1274082915' post='410790']
Agreed, but I think the reason they are changing it is because it is too easy.
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ya its entirely too easy to kick FGs, you have to have serious lag to miss or just be a total clown.

[J-man]

I wish I could set players at ridiculous positions without having to change their primary position. Like a running back as the holder so I could just do a fake kick, run.

[T-ray]

The problem with the Madden games is that they take out/change features that don't need to be changed/taken out, and leave the important edits they need to fix/add undone, or in a completely crappy state. Prime example is this field goal stuff. They didn't need to change that. What they needed to do was fix the Franchise mode/Superstar mode, and I'll bet my bottoms dollar worth that they leave this stuff untouched.

Another thing that bugs me is the fact that the game reviewers, every year no matter what, say that the new game is the best game ever. When I get the game, its basically just a carbon copy of last years, only with a few tweaks.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='J-man' date='17 May 2010 - 03:42 PM' timestamp='1274125338' post='410947']
I wish I could set players at ridiculous positions without having to change their primary position. Like a running back as the holder so I could just do a fake kick, run.
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Or TE/LB - LB/TE combo. It's not that far-fetched (Mike Vrabel).

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='17 May 2010 - 09:18 AM' timestamp='1274109483' post='410838']
ya its entirely too easy to kick FGs, you have to have serious lag to miss or just be a total clown.
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Yea pretty much haha, I've drained 50 yarders with Billy Cundiff on All-Madden in not that great of weather.

[J-man]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='17 May 2010 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1274127817' post='410970']
Or TE/LB - LB/TE combo. It's not that far-fetched (Mike Vrabel).
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I know that the LB to TE package is with the goal line. Ray Lewis caught a few TD's for me before.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='17 May 2010 - 07:18 AM' timestamp='1274109483' post='410838']
ya its entirely too easy to kick FGs, you have to have serious lag to miss or just be a total clown.
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I suck on 50 plus! I'm not bad at the game, I just cannot make a field goal to save my life beyond 50 yards at least.

[Romo Ravens]

Which one do you guys think will be the best? 10 or 11? I just can't wait for the roster updates so we finally have an offense now in the game. I can't tell you how many times I've handed it off to Rice. Our WR's are really bad it's almost impossible to play. Nobody over 5'11, plus if they are, they get hurt.. Williams lol. I played with the Caridnals a couple nights ago. Boldin catches everything and shakes people and bounces off of them with ease. Stallworth isn't on 10. Does anyone have any advice instead of just letting Rice take over?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='17 May 2010 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1274141883' post='411085']
Which one do you guys think will be the best? 10 or 11? I just can't wait for the roster updates so we finally have an offense now in the game. I can't tell you how many times I've handed it off to Rice. Our WR's are really bad it's almost impossible to play. Nobody over 5'11, plus if they are, they get hurt.. Williams lol. I played with the Caridnals a couple nights ago. Boldin catches everything and shakes people and bounces off of them with ease. Stallworth isn't on 10. Does anyone have any advice instead of just letting Rice take over?
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Attack the middle of the field overtop of the MLBs, I do this routinely with Mason and Heap. Motion Rice out of the backfield at times and give him routes, if he's lined up on a LB in man coverage and you sense cov 0 blitz send him yahtzee, if not quick slants.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='17 May 2010 - 06:11 PM' timestamp='1274148693' post='411144']
Attack the middle of the field overtop of the MLBs, I do this routinely with Mason and Heap. Motion Rice out of the backfield at times and give him routes, if he's lined up on a LB in man coverage and you sense cov 0 blitz send him yahtzee, if not quick slants.
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Sweet thank you so much. I never thought about attacking the middle because it's so easy to get an interception in that game. So I was usually hesitant about throwing the ball in the way of three or four linebackers. But with Heap plus Mason, they should be able to catch everything. Short little slants should work too. Wow, I've never thought about sending Ray on a route out of the shotgun. I bet he'll get loose. I hate it when everyone puts him on a spotlight though, especially in the flats. After him, Mason is double covered. So like I said, I can't wait for 11 lol.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Slot Drive also works well in short yardage situations, especially if you have Stallworth as your third wide out. It's not a money play, it won't always work. However, when it does you can usually pick up five yards, even more if you catch the defense off guard. I've had Stallworth run in 55 yard touchdowns just off that drag route. However, my game largely revolves around the round and short slants and drags. Deep passes come into play too, just not nearly as my short game.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='17 May 2010 - 11:52 PM' timestamp='1274161973' post='411220']
Sweet thank you so much. I never thought about attacking the middle because it's so easy to get an interception in that game. So I was usually hesitant about throwing the ball in the way of three or four linebackers. But with Heap plus Mason, they should be able to catch everything. Short little slants should work too. Wow, I've never thought about sending Ray on a route out of the shotgun. I bet he'll get loose. I hate it when everyone puts him on a spotlight though, especially in the flats. After him, Mason is double covered. So like I said, I can't wait for 11 lol.
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Motioning Rice is one of the best plays out of shotgun IMO, regardless of the route, you'll find out if its zone or man and if its man theres no LB that can cover him on a quick cut route and not alot of people zone blitz online so if rice is unaccounted for its usually cov 2 or cov 3 and then just find the hole. Theres one money play to Mason that gets overtop the LBs and underneath the safeties regardless of coverages, I think its called "circle" out of a 3 WR set with Heap lined up in the slot and Rice alone in the backfield, Rice does a circle route and Mason does like a skinny post and then takes it all the way across the field.

Once you get better at recognizing the blitz you can take shots downfield as long as you hot route your backs to pass protect when in the shot gun.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='18 May 2010 - 03:32 PM' timestamp='1274211138' post='411406']
Motioning Rice is one of the best plays out of shotgun IMO, regardless of the route, you'll find out if its zone or man and if its man theres no LB that can cover him on a quick cut route and not alot of people zone blitz online so if rice is unaccounted for its usually cov 2 or cov 3 and then just find the hole. Theres one money play to Mason that gets overtop the LBs and underneath the safeties regardless of coverages, I think its called "circle" out of a 3 WR set with Heap lined up in the slot and Rice alone in the backfield, Rice does a circle route and Mason does like a skinny post and then takes it all the way across the field.

Once you get better at recognizing the blitz you can take shots downfield as long as you hot route your backs to pass protect when in the shot gun.
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The Circle play is out of the 3WR-1TE-1RB shotgun formation with the TE in the slot acting as a wideout. That play is money because it's a "pick-your-poison" scenario against man coverage. If the TE beats the safety and LB deep on the go-route, then it's an easy 6 points. If the corner is playing a short zone, then the outside hitch by the right wideout is open, provided that the safety doesn't jump the route. Rice on the circle in the backfield is always open and draws coverage underneath so that the middle of the field is open for the left wideout on the skinny post. And if all else fails, there's the #3 receiver on the slant-and-go route to the outside that you can hit as a quick safety valve if he's your #2 read and you know the pressure is on.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='18 May 2010 - 01:38 PM' timestamp='1274211534' post='411421']
The Circle play is out of the 3WR-1TE-1RB shotgun formation with the TE in the slot acting as a wideout. That play is money because it's a "pick-your-poison" scenario against man coverage. If the TE beats the safety and LB deep on the go-route, then it's an easy 6 points. If the corner is playing a short zone, then the outside hitch by the right wideout is open, provided that the safety doesn't jump the route. Rice on the circle in the backfield is always open and draws coverage underneath so that the middle of the field is open for the left wideout on the skinny post. And if all else fails, there's the #3 receiver on the slant-and-go route to the outside that you can hit as a quick safety valve if he's your #2 read and you know the pressure is on.
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That play is almost sexy how full proof it is lol. Theres another on in weak I twins WR left, PA Waggle I think it is. But Mason runs a similar route and in man coverage hes always good for 20+ yards, and if hes covered in a zone you can give it to McClain early and if you sense a soft zone shell just audible to a run because nobody is attacking the LOS its an easy 4 or 5 yards.

[JO_75]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/21/gus-johnson-will-be-the-new-play-by-play-voice-of-madden-11/

[quote]The easily excitable (and, in most cases, that's a good thing) Gus Johnson has a new job. He'll handle the play-by-play duties for the newest edition of the Madden video game franchise.

Johnson replaces Tom Hammond. Cris Collinsworth, who succeeded John Madden on NBC's Sunday Night Football, will remain in the game.[/quote]


Now I have seen some of the videos on youtube of plays with him calling them and if EA allows him to be himself at certain points, like he was on the Brandon Stokely Tip Catch against Cincy and a CJ TD play than commentary should be greatly improved!

[AwakenTheDemon]

Why can't they replace Collinsworth =\?

[JO_75]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='21 May 2010 - 02:34 PM' timestamp='1274466858' post='412875']
Why can't they replace Collinsworth =\?
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Yeah I know, personally I wish they could get licenses for FOX, CBS, NBC, ESPN to have different presentations for each station with the best play by play guys for each station.

Hey, just found this video talking about the Sound Improvements and other improvements for Madden 11, now I know that sounds stupid and dumb but believe me this is worth watching. They have the crowd noise better, stadium music played at certain points. It even shows some of the improvements of the commentary of how they have a storyline engine talking about the storyline of the game itself and not talking about random facts when irrelevant. That video made me excited for Madden 11.

http://www.thesportsgameguy.com/1-football/1-madden-football/madden-nfl-11-video-doc-series-audio-presentation/

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='JO_75' date='21 May 2010 - 02:08 PM' timestamp='1274468888' post='412884']
[b]Yeah I know, personally I wish they could get licenses for FOX, CBS, NBC, ESPN to have different presentations for each station with the best play by play guys for each station.
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Hey, just found this video talking about the Sound Improvements and other improvements for Madden 11, now I know that sounds stupid and dumb but believe me this is worth watching. They have the crowd noise better, stadium music played at certain points. It even shows some of the improvements of the commentary of how they have a storyline engine talking about the storyline of the game itself and not talking about random facts when irrelevant. That video made me excited for Madden 11.

http://www.thesportsgameguy.com/1-football/1-madden-football/madden-nfl-11-video-doc-series-audio-presentation/
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That would be absolutely fantastic. MNF games with an ESPN presentation, SNF with NBC, and the sunday games with CBS and Fox would be fantastic (even if I'd be stuck with Collinsworth on Sundays, and Gruden on Mondays).