Is Our Cb Situation The Same We Had With Our Wrs?

[-Truth-]

Last year, we didn't trade for a WR or draft one. It proved to be a downfall late in the Season. This year, we passed several quality CBs. Are the two situations drawing similarities or is it too early to tell? Either way, I'm just praying that the end result is different.

[berad]

We signed Kelly Washington last season. The offseason isn't over; I wouldn't rule out anything..

[Andrew Glass]

We easily have one of the worst if not the worst CB situations in the league. I REALLY REALLY REALLY have to believe the ravens have something planned if it's trade or waiting for someone to be released after the draft otherwise they would of took one for depth in rounds 5-6 or even before. If nothing is planned it's going to be a very very very long and fustrating season, Specially in todays NFL.

[hawkprey]

Our CB's are getting better, our WR's were aging. It's not the same. Webb could be shut-down in a few years and Foxworth turned into a real leader.

[tonyg6996]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' date='24 April 2010 - 01:54 PM' timestamp='1272135288' post='398998']
We easily have one of the worst if not the worst CB situations in the league. I REALLY REALLY REALLY have to believe the ravens have something planned if it's trade or waiting for someone to be released after the draft otherwise they would of took one for depth in rounds 5-6 or even before. If nothing is planned it's going to be a very very very long and fustrating season, Specially in todays NFL.
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No. We have an average CB situation, not anywhere close to the worst in the league. Having said that, I do think we will trade for somebody.

[gilgamesh]

It is not even remotely close to that situation. The year before that draft, we were the 28th passing offense. We needed someone to catch the ball, but didn't really get anyone, yet our passing offense still improved. Last year we were the 8th passing defense. Nowhere near to the bottom of the league. We are not close to the best, but nowhere near as bad as some people think. Our situation is fine. An improved pass rush should help. Ozzie knows what he is doing.

[kagejb]

Most of the yards have been inflated by PI call, we had a whole lot of those. If we had the 8th passing defense with no pass rush, how about another year of experience and a better rush? I'm pretty sure we'll get over 8th overall.

[mdrsharon]

with all of this new help on the D, the secondary situation should improve drastically...
our guys can cover

[UxbridgeRaven]

Personally, I don't think the secondary situation is as bad as a lot of people make out, one of the reasons it was so bad was the pass rush was pretty poor, highlighted by the number of PI penalties we gave up. To me that's a sign that the QB is getting to hold onto the ball too long, too often. Some of that was down to Suggs not being game ready for half the season and some of it was a lack of production from other guys.

I think that has been addressed very well in the draft.

While I think we did pass on some corners I would have taken, Ozzie Newsome knows a lot more about both the players and the teams needs than I do.

Another positive is that the way the draft went suggests that at least one of the injured CB's to be ready to go week 1.

[Ed_Reed20]

The CB situation doesn't look great now but we're in April. The team has a knack for finding impact UDFAs and a trade could be on the horizon.

[Andrew Glass]

[quote name='tonyg6996' date='24 April 2010 - 02:59 PM' timestamp='1272135551' post='399011']
No. We have an average CB situation, not anywhere close to the worst in the league. Having said that, I do think we will trade for somebody.
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I disagree what do we have right now..

Foxworth - Came on late but does anyone remember his start? He's a decent #2 no where near a #1 shut down.

Webb - Going to count on a rookie coming off a late season ACL?

Washington - Going to count on a Speed burner coming off a mid season ACL?

Carr - ?lol? He can't play outside he can barely play inside

Walker and ivy are no longer on team.

Am I missing special teamer cary williams lol?

You MIGHT MIGHT be able to find 2 worse situations in the league but you won't find 5, That's why we have one of the worst situations in the league.

Could you imagine if we lost foxworth?

[Tonymontana45]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' date='24 April 2010 - 03:16 PM' timestamp='1272136607' post='399037']
I disagree what do we have right now..

Foxworth - Came on late but does anyone remember his start? He's a decent #2 no where near a #1 shut down.

Webb - Going to count on a rookie coming off a late season ACL?

Washington - Going to count on a Speed burner coming off a mid season ACL?

Carr - ?lol? He can't play outside he can barely play inside

Walker and ivy are no longer on team.

Am I missing special teamer cary williams lol?

You MIGHT MIGHT be able to find 2 worse situations in the league but you won't find 5, That's why we have one of the worst situations in the league.

Could you imagine if we lost foxworth?
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I think the front office knows more then you! If they aren't panicking, why are you? I also disagree, Webb might be coming along quicker then we think! Washington might be ready for the season start and Carr held his own at the end of the season. If we can fix our d-line we will also take a lot of pressure off our DB's!

[Tonymontana45]

WNST

Nestor: #Newsome said "if you can get after the QB, you don't have to worry as much about the secondary" ... Fair enough! #Ravens

[Andrew Glass]

[quote name='Tonymontana45' date='24 April 2010 - 03:25 PM' timestamp='1272137135' post='399052']
WNST

Nestor: #Newsome said "if you can get after the QB, you don't have to worry as much about the secondary" ... Fair enough! #Ravens
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And as the current super bowl champion head coach sean payton said, "Secondary is NOT something you want to be light in"

I didn't say the team was panicking, They didn't last season at WR(see where that got us) I'm just telling you the situation is bad back there right now. That's a fact.

[FerrariFan87]

Some QBs (like Manning) never seem to get touched no matter who is rushing them... having a terrible secondary like we could have does not bode well. Cincy added Gresham and Shipley, and we did nothing to counter that.

[Tonymontana45]

I don't think it's a fact, they wouldn't have passed on a CB in the 1st round if it was fact! It's your opinion and unless your a doctor for the team that knows the state of our CB's injuries then I'll go with what the front office says.

On another note:
RavensInsider

Harbaugh said that Frank Walker remains a possibility.

[Tonymontana45]

Also posted:
RavensInsider

John Harbaugh on not getting a cornerback said Dennis Pitta was graded much higher than the remaining corners. Ozzie said he wouldn't reach

[Andrew Glass]

[quote name='Tonymontana45' date='24 April 2010 - 03:34 PM' timestamp='1272137654' post='399063']
I don't think it's a fact, they wouldn't have passed on a CB in the 1st round if it was fact! It's your opinion and unless your a doctor for the team that knows the state of our CB's injuries then I'll go with what the front office says.

On another note:
RavensInsider

Harbaugh said that Frank Walker remains a possibility.
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[size="7"][b]LOL[/b][/size]

Also, I love the pitta pick I much rather would of seen them trade maybe the 2 5ths up to get a aoa or something at the end of the 4th before all the remaining draft worthy cbs went.

[Bazooka Joe]

We picked up Cary Williams, CB, off the Titans P.S. He has nice size (6'0) and speed. I think he'll get a long look this Spring/Summer. He showed well on special teams for us.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Here's why I say our draft was or has been successful. We came in with 3 glaring needs, (DL, CB, depth at TE) and we're coming out with just one (CB).

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='24 April 2010 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1272137990' post='399073']
Here's why I say our draft was or has been successful. We came in with 3 glaring needs, (DL, CB, depth at TE) and we're coming out with just one (CB).
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And we still have UDFAs coming.

[REEDrulesall]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' date='24 April 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1272137455' post='399057']
And as the current super bowl champion head coach sean payton said, "Secondary is NOT something you want to be light in"

I didn't say the team was panicking, They didn't last season at WR(see where that got us) I'm just telling you the situation is bad back there right now. That's a fact.
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And he won the Super Bowl with a light secondary. It wasn't fun, and I'm definitely not gonna advise it, but he did it. I trust Harbaugh, a former secondary coach, to evaluate corners. In the post-draft presser he said he thought this was a shallow CB class and other than the really good guys (I assume he meant people like Wilson and McCourty) who went pretty early, the ravens didn't like many guys, and basically quit on the corners outright after Arenas was taken. This is what happens with the BPA strategy- we'll pick relatively sure things at positions we're better at instead of reaches and risks at need positions. Give Ozzie time with trades and UFA signings and be patient with Washington and Webb- like Harbaugh said, we'll be fine, especially with the beefed up pass rush.

[Tonymontana45]

I agree that we had 3 needs and we are done to one. i will admit that CB is now our weakest position but I don't think our secondary is anything to frown upon. We have some great players back there and look to be in great shape for next season.

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' date='24 April 2010 - 02:16 PM' timestamp='1272136607' post='399037']
I disagree what do we have right now..

Foxworth - Came on late but does anyone remember his start? He's a decent #2 no where near a #1 shut down.

Webb - Going to count on a rookie coming off a late season ACL?

Washington - Going to count on a Speed burner coming off a mid season ACL?

Carr - ?lol? He can't play outside he can barely play inside

Walker and ivy are no longer on team.

Am I missing special teamer cary williams lol?

[b]You MIGHT MIGHT be able to find 2 worse situations in the league but you won't find 5, That's why we have one of the worst situations in the league.[/b]

Could you imagine if we lost foxworth?
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Lions have a worse situation. They have nobody but a new rookie. Seahawks have a worse situation. Trufant was great a few years ago, but is has not been very good in his return after injury. They do have Thomas who can play corner, but he is a better safety. Cleveland has a worse secondary(do I really need to explain?). The Rams have nobody, and their best hope is a rookie. Jags also have a worse situation. Five wasn't hard at all. If you take any of those groups of corners over ours, then I give up. Nothing will change your mind.

[Andrew Glass]

[quote name='gilgamesh' date='24 April 2010 - 03:46 PM' timestamp='1272138390' post='399088']
Lions have a worse situation. They have nobody but a new rookie. Seahawks have a worse situation. Trufant was great a few years ago, but is has not been very good in his return after injury. They do have Thomas who can play corner, but he is a better safety. Cleveland has a worse secondary(do I really need to explain?). The Rams have nobody, and their best hope is a rookie. Jags also have a worse situation. Five wasn't hard at all. If you take any of those groups of corners over ours, then I give up. Nothing will change your mind.
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Your right it's not very hard when your randomly name 5 teams. Did you forget the browns got sheldon brown? Or had a very talented and good eric wright or that they drafted joe haden?

I don't think the seahawks CB are as bad as you think, Trufant is still a good player he was dinged up last season and josh wilson and kelly jennings are excellent young players.The jags have Rashean mathis who is a pro bowl shut down top 5 corner in this league.

I would say the rams and lions are pretty bad, the bears too prolly. However We have really 2 certian CB's right now. I didn't say our situation was terrible if healthy, infact I like it. There are just ALOT of question marks there and if you can't count on the 2 ACL injurys we have chris carr and foxworth as our only proven CB's with NFL playing time and we can all remember the first half of last season how we felt about those guys.

[Andrew Glass]

[quote name='Tonymontana45' date='24 April 2010 - 03:46 PM' timestamp='1272138371' post='399087']
I agree that we had 3 needs and we are done to one. i will admit that CB is now our weakest position but I don't think our secondary is anything to frown upon. We have some great players back there and look to be in great shape for next season.
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Our secondary is good, The situation with our corners RIGHT now is not. I'll just count on ozzie to know whats best like the wr's last season. Then next year when we're wrong we'll add some CB depth.

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' date='24 April 2010 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1272139202' post='399099']
Your right it's not very hard when your randomly name 5 teams. Did you forget the browns got sheldon brown? Or had a very talented and good eric wright or that they drafted joe haden?

I don't think the seahawks CB are as bad as you think, Trufant is still a good player he was dinged up last season and josh wilson and kelly jennings are excellent young players.The jags have Rashean mathis who is a pro bowl shut down top 5 corner in this league.

I would say the rams and lions are pretty bad, the bears too prolly. However We have really 2 certian CB's right now. I didn't say our situation was terrible if healthy, infact I like it. There are just ALOT of question marks there and if you can't count on the 2 ACL injurys we have chris carr and foxworth as our only proven CB's with NFL playing time and we can all remember the first half of last season how we felt about those guys.
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You're right, the biggest problem with us are the question marks. I just think drafting a late rookie and expecting results would just add another question mark. I think we will get some UDFA corner sometime. What I really hope it means is that Webb and Washington come back early. If not, Kindle better get that DROY he was talking about.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' date='24 April 2010 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1272139361' post='399102']
Our secondary is good, The situation with our corners RIGHT now is not. I'll just count on ozzie to know whats best like the wr's last season. Then next year when we're wrong we'll add some CB depth.
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Man you're annoying, just give it a rest already. The offseason isn't even close to being over.

[T-ray]

In my opinion, I do believe Ozzie knows what he's doing. I believe a trade may occur, possibly with Nnamdi, possibly with someone else (more likely). I'll admit I'm kinda sore to see we didn't choose a DB this draft, but really, would it matter if we got some corner that we THINK will do well then ends up being another Frank Walker?? Getting a pass rush helps the Defense out overall (Qb's scared of being hit, less passing, less time for recievers to get open). Don't give up on the team!!!

[ravensconvert]

Based on the stat analysis I use Foxworth is a fine corner. In fact I've got him 12th best in the league. His performance at the beginning of the year wasn't that great, but that had more to do with our entire defensive scheme before the bye week. We made big changes to our coverage patterns after the bye, and our pass defense improved dramatically.

The big elephant in the room was our pass rush. We got the 2nd lowest # of sacks in team history last year. Any corner looks bad if you ask him to cover for 8 seconds. We spent the first two picks of the draft on our D-line to improve that. One pure pass rusher like Suggs, and one run stuffer like Ngata. With Ngata and Cody in the center 4 O-lineman will be stuck blocking them, leaving Suggs, Kindle, and Johnson to blitz the sides.

Fabian and Carr are both serviceable corners, roughly average in this league. I think we all agree Webb was becoming a beast before he got hurt. Even if he gets put on the PUP list he will be back after the bye week. Here's who we play during that period:

Jets: The #1 run team with a QB that throws INT for a living. They are not a high powered passing team.
Bengals: Mixed. We got swept by them last year because they ran right over us and had a 100 yard rusher. They added a lot of passing talent, but I'm definitely glad Cody will stop them from running over us.

Browns: Nuff said.

Steelers (without Ben and Holmes): Will be running the ball.

Broncos: No pass game to speak of without Marshall and with a QB they will need to red shirt for two years.

Pats: Ok, one legit pass team.

Buffulo: Nuff said.

Most of the high powered passing teams: Saints, Texans, Atlanta, Miami (Marshal), and Pitt(with Ben), Bengals (again) are after the buy week, when Webb will return from the PUP list even if they have to put him there.

Yes, I'd like to see them sign a CB. Then when Webb comes back he can become their nickel for when teams put 3 wide outs. He's a natural in the slot. But its not the end of the world. The Ravens corners, on the whole, are actually a little above average. Every team can't have two Revis's, there just aren't enough of them and you have to prioritize.