New Draft Picks

[AZravensfan]

[quote name='rastaman831226' date='23 April 2010 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1272091685' post='397849']
Sorta feel the same way about this draft. Instead of getting impact players on D we need if getting to the Superbowl this coming season is the goal, we draft 3 projects. The first of whom, DE/OLB Sergio Kindle may require microsurgery on his knee. The second, T Cody, may require a lotta time in the weight room to get his upper body strength to match his size and weight before he's ready to challenge Kelly Gregg. And the third, a TE who cannot block. Wouldn't it have been simpler to draft DE/DT Olrick, CB Kyle Wilson or CB Patrick Wilson in the first round.
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Wish people would stop posting stuff like this. IF kindles knee was that bad he wouldn't be drafted by us. We have a tough medical staff so let them do there job, if they messed it up and he becomes injury prone then you can complain. Until then take him for the talent he is, which is an excellent pass rusher and a very raw but has a high ceiling defensive player.

[Bea]

[quote name='UOducksTK1' date='24 April 2010 - 09:40 PM' timestamp='1272098420' post='397853']
I know some raven fans wanted a corner in the first round, but don't even think about overlooking that Ed Dickson pick.[/quote]

He was #3 on my list of perferred TE's so I'm quite content with the pick in the 3rd round.

[AZravensfan]

[quote name='UOducksTK1' date='24 April 2010 - 01:40 AM' timestamp='1272098420' post='397853']
I know some raven fans wanted a corner in the first round, but don't even think about overlooking that Ed Dickson pick.

I've been a religious follower of football for about a decade now. I run my own website, and really love to watch football. Now that my credentials are in place lol, I'll break down the Dickson pick for your guys.

First off, Oregon has produced more NFL prospects at the TE position than any other position. Justin Peele (00-01), George Wrighster (02-03), Tim Day (03-04), Dante Rosario(04-05), and now Ed Dickson (06-09). All of these guys were drafted at one point. Peele and Rosario are still in the NFL as backups. Wrighster is an FA, but had a couple good years with Jacksonville. All those TEs were amazing, but never have we had someone as consistent and amazing as Dickson.

He rarely drops the football, he runs so fluidly for a TE, you feel like he's a WR at times. His speed isn't jaw dropping, but he can show some bursts every once in a while. He certainly isn't a premier blocker, but he isn't as bad as some people have made him out to be. Our coaches constantly praised his blocking, and it's evident if you watch his game film. His statistical output isn't too great, but I blame Masoli and the coaches for not getting Dickson the ball more. He was easily our most dangerous weapon last year, and I was disappointed in our team for not involving him more.

Now, even with my kind words, all the attributes of his game that I mentioned above still need work and aren't his strengths. One of his strengths is his route running. He absolutely murders defenders with his routes. He's so smooth and athletic, he's born to run out there on the football field. Go watch his late touchdowns against Boise State in 2008. He owned their entire DB with our 5th string QB running the way. Just shows how Dickson can make life easier on any QB. Dickson's composure > all. Other than maybe one game in the last two years, I've rarely seen this dude freak out. His cold blooded attitude on the field has been a pleasure to watch, and you can now tab me as a ravens fan as long as he's playing for you guys.

Ankle breaking routes + cold blooded instincts can be viewed here:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6935NeHoP0[/media]

CHEERS! If anyone has any questions about this pick, go for it. I love talking about football, and even moreso about my ducks.

Oh and last year I was on the Bills forums telling them that Byrd was an amazing pick for them.. He only lead the NFL in interceptions as a rookie. Dickson will be a good player, as long as he's healthy. Book it.
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Thanks for posting that!!! A lot of people don;t know much about him and maybe this will help people. Only thing I knew was that he had good hands so that tought me some thing

[Clutch Ravens]

Why are some of us complaining about our picks? Seriously?

Our FIRST pick in the draft was 43rd overall, a pick with which you normally get a decent player. We, however, grabbed Sergio Kindle who was slated as a top 16 pick. He was considered the best 3-4 OLB in the draft and he has been cleared by our medical team. So, we get a guy that many were talking about when we were on the clock at 25 at 43. Oh no, Ozzie really doesn't know what he's doing does he?

At 57 we grabbed, arguably, the best Nose Tackle in the draft. Yes, you may say Dan Williams, but he only had one good year. Yes, you may say Linval Joseph but he has proven very little. Cody, however, was a key piece to one of the best college defenses in the country. With him there they were continually a top D overall and, particularly, against the run. So, 7 picks from the end of the second, we grab a power pig that will likely only be a 2 down run stuffer but has shown an ability to collapse a pocket. He, in a rotation with Gregg, alongside Ngata and Pryce could prove to be very dangerous.

Ed Dickson at 70 was a great pick, despite the need for corner. We don't have all the inside information on the situation with Webb and Washington so can't really get a clear picture. Dickson was a top TE that was my favourite for us to take, considering his value. Behind heap we only had one Tight End who aint all that great. We now have Heap's heir-apparent.

Not only that but we got Anquan Boldin. Yes, he wasn't a draft pick but we did use picks to acquire him. So not only did we get TWO First Round Talents in the second, we got a top tight end along with a 4th, 2 5ths and a 6th round pick today.

So, we have: Boldin, Kindle, Cody and Dickson with 4 solid picks remaining.

Who, really, can be disappointed with a draft like that?

[Militant X 1]

i like the picks.

[AZravensfan]

[quote name='Give it to Clutch Clayton' date='24 April 2010 - 04:48 AM' timestamp='1272109681' post='397887']
Why are some of us complaining about our picks? Seriously?

Our FIRST pick in the draft was 43rd overall, a pick with which you normally get a decent player. We, however, grabbed Sergio Kindle who was slated as a top 16 pick. He was considered the best 3-4 OLB in the draft and he has been cleared by our medical team. So, we get a guy that many were talking about when we were on the clock at 25 at 43. Oh no, Ozzie really doesn't know what he's doing does he?

At 57 we grabbed, arguably, the best Nose Tackle in the draft. Yes, you may say Dan Williams, but he only had one good year. Yes, you may say Linval Joseph but he has proven very little. Cody, however, was a key piece to one of the best college defenses in the country. With him there they were continually a top D overall and, particularly, against the run. So, 7 picks from the end of the second, we grab a power pig that will likely only be a 2 down run stuffer but has shown an ability to collapse a pocket. He, in a rotation with Gregg, alongside Ngata and Pryce could prove to be very dangerous.

Ed Dickson at 70 was a great pick, despite the need for corner. We don't have all the inside information on the situation with Webb and Washington so can't really get a clear picture. Dickson was a top TE that was my favourite for us to take, considering his value. Behind heap we only had one Tight End who aint all that great. We now have Heap's heir-apparent.

Not only that but we got Anquan Boldin. Yes, he wasn't a draft pick but we did use picks to acquire him. So not only did we get TWO First Round Talents in the second, we got a top tight end along with a 4th, 2 5ths and a 6th round pick today.

So, we have: Boldin, Kindle, Cody and Dickson with 4 solid picks remaining.

Who, really, can be disappointed with a draft like that?
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Nice breakdown. I agree with all of what you said! Well put

[steelydan]

Sergio Kindle, in terms of pure talent, is a steal. Remember though that the knee was not the only thing that scared some teams away- he also had a DWI incident where he left the scene. Nevertheless, as long as he remains healthy and stays away from questionable character decisions, he will be a beast of a hybrid DE/OLB. He is smaller than Suggs but is relentless in pursuit and has great instincts. He will immediately improve our pass rush.

I notice everyone here seems to have mixed feelings regarding Mount Cody. He is a huge presence in the middle of the line. Having him and Ngata side by side will be a run stuffing combination that will be reminiscent of Siragusa/Adams from the super bowl run. Some folks on the board question his ability to push the pocket. Yes I have seen the video where he is defended by the center... But remember- he is dominant against the run and so that is why he is a very good pick. He will not see 3rd and long situations. I truly like Cody's upside and I think his selection puts rival teams (especially in the AFC north) on notice that we intend to stop the run. It should be noted that Cincy won the division last year largely in part to a very good running attack. The addition of Cody will help our run defense (already one of the best in the game) to be even better. Good pick.

As for Ed Dickinson at number 70? All I can say is wow. I truly didn't expect Dickinson to fall to 70. This guy is a playmaker. Great, soft hands and explosive ability after the catch. The knock on him is blocking. That can be taught. Raw ability as a pass receiver cannot.

All in all I think the Ravens have had a very successful draft thus far.

[AZravensfan]

[quote name='steelydan' date='24 April 2010 - 05:08 AM' timestamp='1272110881' post='397893']
Sergio Kindle, in terms of pure talent, is a steal. Remember though that the knee was not the only thing that scared some teams away- he also had a DWI incident where he left the scene. Nevertheless, as long as he remains healthy and stays away from questionable character decisions, he will be a beast of a hybrid DE/OLB. He is smaller than Suggs but is relentless in pursuit and has great instincts. He will immediately improve our pass rush.

I notice everyone here seems to have mixed feelings regarding Mount Cody. He is a huge presence in the middle of the line. Having him and Ngata side by side will be a run stuffing combination that will be reminiscent of Siragusa/Adams from the super bowl run. Some folks on the board question his ability to push the pocket. Yes I have seen the video where he is defended by the center... But remember- he is dominant against the run and so that is why he is a very good pick. He will not see 3rd and long situations. I truly like Cody's upside and I think his selection puts rival teams (especially in the AFC north) on notice that we intend to stop the run. It should be noted that Cincy won the division last year largely in part to a very good running attack. The addition of Cody will help our run defense (already one of the best in the game) to be even better. Good pick.

As for Ed Dickinson at number 70? All I can say is wow. I truly didn't expect Dickinson to fall to 70. This guy is a playmaker. Great, soft hands and explosive ability after the catch. The knock on him is blocking. That can be taught. Raw ability as a pass receiver cannot.

All in all I think the Ravens have had a very successful draft thus far.
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Yea we def had a good draft. Cody does need to work on pushing the pocket some but I think that will come with time. He is in there to stop the run but if teams aren't running on first and second down then I dont want him to be useless . Sergio is an amazing talent and a steal, hes a little raw and needs to develop some pass rushing moves but he will be good (maybe great). Dickson is an awesome pickup so I agree with you all the way there.

[K-Dog]

So Dickson has long short arms hunh?

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='K-Dog' date='24 April 2010 - 08:35 AM' timestamp='1272112505' post='397911']
So Dickson has long short arms hunh?
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Apparently so. Maybe he has one T-Rex arm and one monkey arm?

[Foxworth]

I'm loving Sergio Kindle right now.

[Fred Sanford]

Our goal line defense is going to be nuts. Our goal line offense, if we line Ngata AND Cody up as extra blockers will also be beastly.

I think Cody can actually help our pass defense, too. Here's how:

With Ngata and Cody up front, our linebackers are freed up more to drop into pass coverage or blitz. Draws are less of a worry, and Cody holding his gap can also allow Ngata to collapse the pocket. You don't necessarily want every LB blitzing or falling back and the entire D-line shooting upfield, or a draw will get a first down every time.

[AZravensfan]

[quote name='Foxworth' date='24 April 2010 - 05:46 AM' timestamp='1272113212' post='397918']
I'm loving Sergio Kindle right now.
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Hopefully love him more after he gets to play a few games!

[AwakenTheDemon]

Even with Cody, chances are he's not going to need a double team on the line. Not unless he works on his strength. Meaning teams will still look to double Ngata, not opening any more holes for the linebackers then usual. I really do not care what Cody Lovers have to say to validate the pick in the mind of those who are not thrilled with him. Every point I brought up has been completely valid, and the only way my opinion of him is going to change is by seeing him on the field. Cody is an extremely one sided player, just like everyone knows. Alabama's defense really only got the run stuffing from Cody, god knows he didn't help in the pass defense. C'mon people, I understand if you like Cody, but don't act like he did more for Alabama's defense then he did.

Get in the gym, shed the pounds, add on some muscle, work on your hands, and then I'll be happy with you, Cody. Unless Cody's stamina increases so he can play more than 25 downs a games, we'll still need a replacement for Gregg. Because when Cody needs a breather after Gregg is gone, I don't want McKinney, Divens, or Talavou having to fill in for those downs.

[Fred Sanford]

Fair enough, but make a post or two stating potential weaknesses of the pick and move on. There's no need for so many negative posts, the first few are enough to make the point clear. No one would expect a conventional nose tackle to be a multidimensional player, anyway.

Like I said, whether he gets a double team or not, he can hold up well at the point of attack, lessening to need for linebackers to play read and react, as a draw or pass rushing DT can create the need for. It also lessens the hesitation on play action. With a wide body like that, there's less need to worry about a run, so they can have roles that dictate rather be dictated to.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Fred Sanford' date='24 April 2010 - 09:49 AM' timestamp='1272120578' post='398099']
Fair enough, but make a post or two stating potential weaknesses of the pick and move on. There's no need for so many negative posts, the first few are enough to make the point clear. No one would expect a conventional nose tackle to be a multidimensional player, anyway.

Like I said, whether he gets a double team or not, he can hold up well at the point of attack, lessening to need for linebackers to play read and react, as a draw or pass rushing DT can create the need for. It also lessens the hesitation on play action. With a wide body like that, there's less need to worry about a run, so they can have roles that dictate rather be dictated to.
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I wasn't aware there was a limit on how many posts about one player a person was allowed to make. I'm more than allowed to make as many posts and I want regarding what I feel about a player. If it's too much for you to read, then skip over it. No one's asking you to read it. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings seeing someone not thrilled over a pick that everyone else is gushing over and ignoring the faults the man legitimately has. It also amuses me that critiquing Cody gets me a neg. I'm not even bashing the guy.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='23 April 2010 - 08:27 PM' timestamp='1272076060' post='397686']
Kindle. Meh. Meh. That's how I feel about our first three picks. I'm even less impressed with Cody after watching the video of him on NFL.com. They showed him one on one against a center protecting a quarterback. Cody was COMPLETELY wrapped up by the one, yes one, center. Everyone's saying he'll demand a double team, and I just saw him effectively wrapped up by one center. Dickson, eh. I'll forgive Ozzie if AOA or Cox drops to us in the fourth. We need some help at the corners, we don't know when Webb or Fab will be back. That leaves us very, very thin.
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You have to realize that that drill is to see how much he can push the pocket(pass rush). That is in NO REASON why we drafted him. In the run game he is a force and he WILL command a double team otherwise he will be making the tackles.

97% of the time he will not be in on obvious passing situations and the lengthier 3rd downs. Remember this is not why we drafted him.

[XxSizzleXx]

Sergio kindle was a masterful pick, a lot of people have him as a top ten talent. We will be moulding him into the next Suggs. Thomas had Boulware, Suggs had Thomas, and now Kindle will learn a ton from Sizzle. He will play a lot more than people think.

Mount Cody at 57 is a great pick IMO, I will not be surprised to see us finish #1 in the league against the run this year. He is a two down player for us right now as we will still be playing Kelly Gregg a lot. Dominant against the run.

I was hoping to come out of this draft with a good TE, and we came away with two so I have to be happy about that.

Art Jones is also supposedly a great run stuffer, the home page says he is the 3rd best run stuffing DT behind Suh and McCoy. If he can stay healthy he will get a fair bit of playing time as well and I believe impress.

In the end I am excited about the draft as we came away with a lot of good players. 9/10... Great Draft Ozz!

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='24 April 2010 - 02:07 PM' timestamp='1272132469' post='398893']
I wasn't aware there was a limit on how many posts about one player a person was allowed to make. I'm more than allowed to make as many posts and I want regarding what I feel about a player. If it's too much for you to read, then skip over it. No one's asking you to read it. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings seeing someone not thrilled over a pick that everyone else is gushing over and ignoring the faults the man legitimately has. It also amuses me that critiquing Cody gets me a neg. I'm not even bashing the guy.
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You're a real know it all from what I've seen in your posts the last couple days. I'm gonna go ahead and trust Ozzie Newsome, Eric DeCosta, and a whole host of analysts that think the Ravens have had one of the best drafts. It's easy to forget that our acquisition of Boldin was also in effect part of our draft. You can go on lamenting the fact that we didn't fix everything about our team in one draft, and restating the same concerns and questions about Cody that our draft team OBVIOUSLY considered. Oh yeah, and going "meh" like you have significant knowledge about these players that our draft team doesn't. When you show the ability to scout and draft players that are successful at a remarkably high rate, maybe we'll care about your insights. It's easy to complain when you have no track record and no one judges your past decisions.

[hawkprey]

Is anyone remotely interested in Ramon Harewood? I know he's not ready now, he's still learning the game, but I guarantee you this guy's the best "steal" or "value" of the draft. Second-round talent in a few years.

[McBoller]

I dont get the knock on cody for being a 2 down guy. I for one hope he IS a 2 down guy. Stuff em on the first two plays and put the pass rusher in for 3rd and long. Honestly, how often do you see Casey Hampton or Vince Wilfork play 3+ straight plays.

[Fred Sanford]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='24 April 2010 - 02:07 PM' timestamp='1272132469' post='398893']
I wasn't aware there was a limit on how many posts about one player a person was allowed to make. I'm more than allowed to make as many posts and I want regarding what I feel about a player. If it's too much for you to read, then skip over it. No one's asking you to read it. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings seeing someone not thrilled over a pick that everyone else is gushing over and ignoring the faults the man legitimately has. It also amuses me that critiquing Cody gets me a neg. I'm not even bashing the guy.
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Fine, man, but from what I've seen you've made about thirty to forty posts criticizing our front office and not a single positive word. At some point, it stops informing us of your opinions and starts becoming playing devil's advocate for attention. The first ten to twenty are probably enough for us to understand your views.

Mel Kiper gave us an A+ in a draft where we started without a 3rd or 4th. Is that really indicative of a draft so horrendous it needs criticism ad nauseum? A sycophantic fanbase gets annoying, we need guys like you, but it's nice to look for the good as well as the bad in our decisions.

[Clutch Ravens]

I like our draft as a whole but was disappointed with the Pitta, Reed and Harewood picks. Pitta because we had just drafted a Tight End the round before meaning we'd have to run a lot of 2 Tight End sets to get value for 2 very valuable picks. Reed because Dezmon Briscoe was still there and he has a ceiling so much higher than Reed it's unreal. Harewood because we didn't need a total project when Selvish Capers, Ciron Black and Tony Washington were all still available; and thats just the o-line prospects that I like a lot more than him.

Hopefully all these guys will prove me wrong and go down as booms just like these guys should:

I loved the Kindle pick. Top 10 Talent, Number 1 3-4 OLB at 43? Hells yeah! We pay him second round money for a guy that would go in the top 10 of just about any other draft class. I think he could be an absolute terror opposite Suggs and could put up healthy numbers in his first year.

Cody - I was opposed to this at first, then realised he, lined up next to Ngata = Excess of 700 lbs between 2 guys. He may need some work, particularly on stamina but I believe he will work his jiggly butt off. BCS Title one year, leave school and get a ring the next? Sounds like something he'd like.

Dickson - He was my favourite Tight end and we snagged him. He is, essentially, a 6'4" 250 lb receiver that lines up on the end of the line. He has soft hands, is a real threat from the position and is a great red zone target.

Art Jones - I had a 2nd round grade on this guy because when he was healthy he was a great run-stuffer and pretty good at pushing the pocket. I think he will be key in the rotation and may very well win the job outright. He could very well be the steal of the draft.

[Runnin Raven]

Really liked the draft this year. One thing I'd like to point out is that it is great to have an owner and GM whose egos aren't so huge that they are willing to trade down in order to fortify multiple spots on the team without getting that huge big-name 1st rounder, ala Jerry Jones, Al Davis, et al. Our guys put team first and they have a vision for what kind of group of guys they want on the field.

Yes, I am sorely disappointed with the lack of a CB. It was doubly painful to watch Wilson go to NYJ. But Kindle looks like he could be explosive and lighten the burden on our secondary. Cody is a mountain of a guy who reminds me of the Sam Adams/Goose SB team. If we stop Mendenhall and Cincy's running attack, we will be in good position in the division. I also saw a lot of video on Cody and his desire and heart leaps off the screen. You can bet Ray and Mattison are going to tap into that emotional side of the kid.

And don't underestimate TE. We are now DEEP at TE, something that's been a concern for a while now. And man these guys look like weapons for Joe. Serious weapons.

I believe we did a great job of shoring up and getting younger on D. I also believe Oz will do something at CB via trade or the like. I can only hope.

Point is, we got better in multiple areas IMO, and aren't vulnerable to a first round draft bust situation.

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='24 April 2010 - 10:31 AM' timestamp='1272119465' post='398047']


Get in the gym, shed the pounds, add on some muscle, work on your hands, and then I'll be happy with you, Cody. Unless Cody's stamina increases so he can play more than 25 downs a games, we'll still need a replacement for Gregg. Because when Cody needs a breather after Gregg is gone, I don't want McKinney, Divens, or Talavou having to fill in for those downs.
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That's exactly what he has been doing too.

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='24 April 2010 - 02:07 PM' timestamp='1272132469' post='398893']
I wasn't aware there was a limit on how many posts about one player a person was allowed to make. I'm more than allowed to make as many posts and I want regarding what I feel about a player. If it's too much for you to read, then skip over it. No one's asking you to read it. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings seeing someone not thrilled over a pick that everyone else is gushing over and ignoring the faults the man legitimately has. It also amuses me that critiquing Cody gets me a neg. I'm not even bashing the guy.
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If only there werent a limit of how many negatives I could give out.

[AZravensfan]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='24 April 2010 - 01:45 PM' timestamp='1272141956' post='399157']
Art Jones is also supposedly a great run stuffer, the home page says he is the 3rd best run stuffing DT behind Suh and McCoy. If he can stay healthy he will get a fair bit of playing time as well and I believe impress.
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He also has a good push on passing downs. If he stays healthy he could turn into a real steal(yea rhyming is cool ). He has a wrestling background so that helps him a lot with leverage. I really hope he can stay healthy because with his skill set he could very well be our starter one day and effective on all types of plays. This next comment is just for you Sizzle, my MMA buddy, plus Bones Jones will come after you if you don't like his brother!