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[Mahatma_Sloth]

Im watching the final drive of the game and wondering why everyone got so heated over M.Clayton in that game here let me break down the drive:

1.Flacco to Clayton, 12 yard gain, 1st down
2.Flacco to Mason, 11 yard gain, 1st down
3.Flacco sacked
4.Flacco to clayton, 9 yard gain
5.Flacco sneak, 2 yards, 1st down
6.Flacco to Clayton, 9 yard gain
7.Rice, 4 yards, 1st down
8.Flacco to Rice, incomplete
9.Flacco to Rice, 14 yard gain, 1st down
10.Flacco to Clayton, incomplete ("Clayton did a good job, that was just great coverage")
11.Flacco to Washington, 7 yard gain
12.Flacco to Mason, incomplete (hit him square in the chest)
13.Flacco to Clayton, incomplete (hit him square in the chest)

"joe threw a great ball and, you know, I, I dropped it, and it cost us the game"
-Mark Clayton

I just dont see why people were screamin for his head on a platter when he was the main producer in that drive

Clayton 30 yards
Rice 18
Mason 11
Washington 7

mason dropped the same exact pass one play before, true Clayton was more open(but i thought he couldnt get open, hmm) all in all two great opportunities were missed and for some reason Clayton gets to be poor ol atlas and carry the weight of most of Baltimores hatred

afterwords, Clayton mans up and accepts responsibility for the loss even though in all reality he didnt have to, showing great amounts of character through his humility and accountability... and people were ready, and still are, to just cast someone like that from this team. why?

[samic]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' date='05 April 2010 - 01:41 AM' timestamp='1270446113' post='386658']
Im watching the final drive of the game and wondering why everyone got so heated over M.Clayton in that game here let me break down the drive:

1.Flacco to Clayton, 12 yard gain, 1st down
2.Flacco to Mason, 11 yard gain, 1st down
3.Flacco sacked
4.Flacco to clayton, 9 yard gain
5.Flacco sneak, 2 yards, 1st down
6.Flacco to Clayton, 9 yard gain
7.Rice, 4 yards, 1st down
8.Flacco to Rice, incomplete
9.Flacco to Rice, 14 yard gain, 1st down
10.Flacco to Clayton, incomplete ("Clayton did a good job, that was just great coverage")
11.Flacco to Washington, 7 yard gain
12.Flacco to Mason, incomplete (hit him square in the chest)
13.Flacco to Clayton, incomplete (hit him square in the chest)

"joe threw a great ball and, you know, I, I dropped it, and it cost us the game"
-Mark Clayton

I just dont see why people were screamin for his head on a platter when he was the main producer in that drive

Clayton 30 yards
Rice 18
Mason 11
Washington 7

mason dropped the same exact pass one play before, true Clayton was more open(but i thought he couldnt get open, hmm) all in all two great opportunities were missed and for some reason Clayton gets to be poor ol atlas and carry the weight of most of Baltimores hatred

afterwords, Clayton mans up and accepts responsibility for the loss even though in all reality he didnt have to, showing great amounts of character through his humility and accountability... and people were ready, and still are, to just cast someone like that from this team. why?
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People love to hate Clayton because he was a first round pick and has not lived up to their expectations as such. However, if looked at objectively Clayton has been a solid receiver for us. He may not have been outstanding or flashy but Mark has had some tremendous games for us. He's a good route runner with soft hands and adequate speed. He needs to improve his ability to get off the press, though, and win more physical battles with DB's.

Another knock on him is that he disappears in games. Well if you consistently field 2 wides and a TE what do you expect? We've been very predictable in our passing game and underutilized some players who could have been more productive for us, Like Kelly Washington. I also get the feeling that Mark would have been more successful in the slot on quick slants or out routes. He is very similar to Derrick Mason but Mason was the more established guy.

I hope he signs his tender and makes the team this year. We're gonna need him when Mason retires. Also hope we bring back Washington. If we do I think we can make it through this draft without taking a receiver, take the time to develop those guys we have on IR and the PS, and retool on defense. We are getting long in the tooth on defense and need an infusion of young talent. We can go TE and the rest on defense if you ask me. I'll be happy with that.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='samic' date='05 April 2010 - 01:01 AM' timestamp='1270450897' post='386666']
Mark would have been more successful in the slot [b]on quick slants[/b] or out routes. [/quote]

agreed. I think he was built for that... now we can start using 4 wr sets as well (clayton thrived in that type of system at college)with Boldin Clayton Mason and Stallworth (and hopefully washington)and still have the run as a threat because at least 4 of those mentioned are good at blocking
[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80cc1381/Mark-Clayton-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Eagles-2008"]clayton slant[/url]
[quote name='samic' date='05 April 2010 - 01:01 AM' timestamp='1270450897' post='386666']
I hope he signs his tender and makes the team this year. We're gonna need him when Mason retires. Also hope we bring back Washington. If we do I think we can make it through this draft without taking a receiver, take the time to develop those guys we have on IR and the PS, and retool on defense. We are getting long in the tooth on defense and need an infusion of young talent. We can go TE and the rest on defense if you ask me. I'll be happy with that.
[/quote] yes yes keep clayton here at very least he is as solid a bench player as you can get and he is a D.Mase clone i think they should bring KWash back as well but I also believe that M.Smith could step up (his injury was tragic last year)
we need D-Line and a Center and maybe a CB all else is just depth imo all the big holes were filled via free agency setting us up nicely for another wonderful bpa style draft...

[Ed_Reed20]

After the game, I acknowledged that had it not been for Mark, the Ravens wouldn't have even been in position to win the game.

Mason's drop the previous was inexcusable but the team still had an opportunity to move the chains. With Clayton's drop, the game was essentially over which drove fans crazy.

We saw the same kind of backlash after the Vikings game. While Hauschka had contributed to comeback but when he had to make the most important play, he failed.

From everything I've read and seen, Clayton is a great guy off the field and on the field, he can look unstoppable at times. Most of the time though, he just can't seem to shake DBs. He isn't the drop-happy WR people seem to think and is actually pretty efficient but there's a reason he hasn't been very productive since 2006.

Its unlikely he'll improve as a player at this point and that is primarily why people are ready to seem him shipped off or simply canned.

[Runnin Raven]

Hey 20 - what do you think we could get for Clayton, if anything? I like the guy, personally, and certainly wouldn't hold a grudge due to 1 play. But you may be right - there may not be any more upside to Mark that can't be had with another player.

[FerrariFan87]

Needless to say, I don't watch games in which we lose... why re-live that misery?

I especially won't re-watch "the drop" haha

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Runnin Raven' date='05 April 2010 - 11:44 AM' timestamp='1270482250' post='386754']
Hey 20 - what do you think we could get for Clayton, if anything? I like the guy, personally, and certainly wouldn't hold a grudge due to 1 play. But you may be right - there may not be any more upside to Mark that can't be had with another player.
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Personally, I think the most the Ravens could get for Clayton is a 5th round pick.

I like Clayton too but he's simply an average WR.

[Runnin Raven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='05 April 2010 - 12:08 PM' timestamp='1270483734' post='386763']
Personally, I think the most the Ravens could get for Clayton is a 5th round pick.

I like Clayton too but he's simply an average WR.
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Hmmm...yeah sounds right I guess. I suppose that's a bit of a failed investment then. Not a total loss though cause he did make some plays when Mcnair was in there.

[Clutch Ravens]

We can't get rid of Clayton, then my username would need changing.

When he's on top of his game he's a top notch threat, it just so happens that he's not on top of his game 80% of the time. I remember catches like the immaculate one handed grab against Cincy that went for a touchdown and wonder why he can't do it week in, week out.

[Foxworth]

Clayton has a nice vertical with good hands but he really needs to be more consistent. He's been invisible throughout this season.

[noy]

Clayton has been demoted to 4th string. He will be going against 4th string corners when he's normally up against 2nd stringers. If we run a 4 WR set, I see him doing damage real damage with his speed. The thing about Clayton and Mason was they were in the wrong positions. Now, as average as Clayton was against good corners, he's got nowhere to go but up when facing lower competition.

I am officially holding my breath...

[Ngata92NT]

I wouldn't trade Clayton for less than a 3rd, he might be average but at least we know what we have. Most of the guys who go after the 3rd don't really make an impact at all, whereas Clayton has shown the ability to produce (mediocre) numbers at the #2 spot. He should theoretically improve if he moves to the #3 or #4 spot. I doubt he'll want a big contract or anything, he's a pretty good character guy from what I hear, he knows the system and he knows Flacco. I really don't see any reason to part with him for less than a 3rd.

And the "drop" against NE was really overblown. Yeah it sucks, but we had the entire game to put up points and fell short. Its our failure as a team that we would be in that desperate of a situation anyway.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='05 April 2010 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1270494055' post='386850']
I wouldn't trade Clayton for less than a 3rd, he might be average but at least we know what we have. Most of the guys who go after the 3rd don't really make an impact at all, whereas Clayton has shown the ability to produce (mediocre) numbers at the #2 spot. He should theoretically improve if he moves to the #3 or #4 spot. I doubt he'll want a big contract or anything, he's a pretty good character guy from what I hear, he knows the system and he knows Flacco. I really don't see any reason to part with him for less than a 3rd.
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No team is going to offer a 3rd round pick for Clayton.

Why would any team give up an early pick for a player whose put up the numbers Clayton has?

I'd be perfectly fine with a 5th round pick for him.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='05 April 2010 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1270494055' post='386850']
I wouldn't trade Clayton for less than a 3rd, he might be average but at least we know what we have. Most of the guys who go after the 3rd don't really make an impact at all, whereas Clayton has shown the ability to produce (mediocre) numbers at the #2 spot. He should theoretically improve if he moves to the #3 or #4 spot. I doubt he'll want a big contract or anything, he's a pretty good character guy from what I hear, he knows the system and he knows Flacco. I really don't see any reason to part with him for less than a 3rd.

And [b]the "drop" against NE was really overblown[/b]. Yeah it sucks, but we had the entire game to put up points and fell short. Its our failure as a team that we would be in that desperate of a situation anyway.
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Yea it's not even like he was in the end zone like MASON when we played the STEELERS. The game was not locked up if he caught that ball, but I do think the fact that all we fans want is for Clayton to make that catch so we can stop doubting him and when he continues to fall short it just adds to our disappointment.

[edreedfromtheu]

My problem has never been with Clayton.

It's with the Ravens and what they've done with Clayton. In this league, you can't get by with a bunch of smaller receivers. You need at least one big receiver type to go up and get the ball in the end zone when the field is "shrunk" and the line of scrimmage is closer to the goal line. This is especially true for a team like the Ravens who have a strong running game and need to clear space.

They finally got someone reliable with size in Kelley Washington, and now they think it's more important to keep Clayton than Washington. THAT'S the problem I have with the whole situation. I don't find Clayton to be incapable of producing. But Kelley Washington fits the current Ravens team much better than Clayton.

I feel like Clayton can be that deep threat IF Flacco can learn to use the middle of the field more to draw in safeties. Flacco sometimes misses the receivers when they are open, and instead throws to a receiver that is in triple coverage. He's still young, but eventually he's going to have to get better if the receivers are going to get better. For now though, if I was the Ravens, I would try to surround him with the best possible combination of receivers I could... and I think Kelley Washington fits them much better than Clayton.

[edreedfromtheu]

And the officials are more to blame for the Patriots game than anything. Tom Brady knocked Ngata's hand into his helmet when he brought his throwing arm forward to throw. Ngata was going for the arm, and when the arm came forward it knocked Ngata's hand into Brady's helmet.

F YOU OFFICIALS! CAN'T WAIT TO SEE KIND OF CHEATING YOU HAVE LINED UP FOR THE RAVENS THIS SEASON!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='05 April 2010 - 04:19 PM' timestamp='1270498759' post='386892']
My problem has never been with Clayton.

It's with the Ravens and what they've done with Clayton. [b]In this league, you can't get by with a bunch of smaller receivers. You need at least one big receiver type to go up and get the ball in the end zone when the field is "shrunk" and the line of scrimmage is closer to the goal line. This is especially true for a team like the Ravens who have a strong running game and need to clear space.[/b]

They finally got someone reliable with size in Kelley Washington, and now they think it's more important to keep Clayton than Washington. THAT'S the problem I have with the whole situation. I don't find Clayton to be incapable of producing. But Kelley Washington fits the current Ravens team much better than Clayton.

I feel like Clayton can be that deep threat IF Flacco can learn to use the middle of the field more to draw in safeties. Flacco sometimes misses the receivers when they are open, and instead throws to a receiver that is in triple coverage. He's still young, but eventually he's going to have to get better if the receivers are going to get better. For now though, if I was the Ravens, I would try to surround him with the best possible combination of receivers I could... and I think Kelley Washington fits them much better than Clayton.
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You don't need a big WR in the NFL. There are numerous teams with top aerial attacks with average-sized WRs.

[RavensAllTheWay]

My problem with him is his inconsistency. He goes up and makes some really nice catches in the air (especially when no one's covering him), but drops some of the easy ones. I'm glad Boldin is here in Baltimore for many reasons and one is because Clayton and D Will (if they come back next year) can learn from him on how to be more physical. This should help Clayton become better at fighting the jam and getting more open because you really never see him use that vertical leap to his advantage when he's covered.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Runnin Raven' date='05 April 2010 - 09:44 AM' timestamp='1270482250' post='386754']
Hey 20 - what do you think we could get for Clayton, if anything? I like the guy, personally, and certainly wouldn't hold a grudge due to 1 play. But you may be right - there may not be any more upside to Mark that can't be had with another player.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='05 April 2010 - 10:08 AM' timestamp='1270483734' post='386763']
Personally, I think the most the Ravens could get for Clayton is a 5th round pick.

I like Clayton too but he's simply an average WR.
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[quote name='Runnin Raven' date='05 April 2010 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1270489317' post='386817']
Hmmm...yeah sounds right I guess. I suppose that's a bit of a failed investment then. Not a total loss though cause he did make some plays when Mcnair was in there.
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why do you want to trade him he is competing for the #3 and behind him and Stallworth(still unproven/close to same numbers as clayton) we have M.Smith J.Harper E.Reily your all telling me you trust these guys more on the field?!? i dont understand your logic.... oh and he made plays in '08 as well he did have the 3rd most 40+ receptions in the league and the end arounds and that TD pass to mason. The dude is not a #2 but he is a roleplayer. I think we should keep him, let him do what he dose best and pay him accordingly and maybe throw him in the slot every now and then

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='noy' date='05 April 2010 - 12:39 PM' timestamp='1270492793' post='386842']
Clayton has been demoted to 4th string. He will be going against 4th string corners when he's normally up against 2nd stringers. If we run a 4 WR set, I see him doing damage real damage with his speed. The thing about Clayton and Mason was they were in the wrong positions. Now, as average as Clayton was against good corners, he's got nowhere to go but up when facing lower competition.

I am officially holding my breath...
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[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='05 April 2010 - 01:00 PM' timestamp='1270494055' post='386850']
I wouldn't trade Clayton for less than a 3rd, he might be average but at least we know what we have. Most of the guys who go after the 3rd don't really make an impact at all, whereas Clayton has shown the ability to produce (mediocre) numbers at the #2 spot. He should theoretically improve if he moves to the #3 or #4 spot. I doubt he'll want a big contract or anything, he's a pretty good character guy from what I hear, he knows the system and he knows Flacco. I really don't see any reason to part with him for less than a 3rd.

And the "drop" against NE was really overblown. Yeah it sucks, but we had the entire game to put up points and fell short. Its our failure as a team that we would be in that desperate of a situation anyway.
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[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='05 April 2010 - 01:22 PM' timestamp='1270495361' post='386862']
No team is going to offer a 3rd round pick for Clayton.

Why would any team give up an early pick for a player whose put up the numbers Clayton has?

I'd be perfectly fine with a 5th round pick for him.
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true that... we got Stallworth for next to nothing. I wonder what TO will go for

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='beasy2487' date='05 April 2010 - 01:23 PM' timestamp='1270495428' post='386865'], but I do think the fact that all we fans want is for Clayton to make that catch so we can stop doubting him and when he continues to fall short it just adds to our disappointment.
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That dose put alot into perspective very good point... thanks

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='05 April 2010 - 02:19 PM' timestamp='1270498759' post='386892']
My problem has never been with Clayton.

It's with the Ravens and what they've done with Clayton. In this league, you can't get by with a bunch of smaller receivers. You need at least one big receiver type to go up and get the ball in the end zone when the field is "shrunk" and the line of scrimmage is closer to the goal line. This is especially true for a team like the Ravens who have a strong running game and need to clear space.

They finally got someone reliable with size in Kelley Washington, and now they think it's more important to keep Clayton than Washington. THAT'S the problem I have with the whole situation. I don't find Clayton to be incapable of producing. But Kelley Washington fits the current Ravens team much better than Clayton.

I feel like Clayton can be that deep threat IF Flacco can learn to use the middle of the field more to draw in safeties. Flacco sometimes misses the receivers when they are open, and instead throws to a receiver that is in triple coverage. He's still young, but eventually he's going to have to get better if the receivers are going to get better. For now though, if I was the Ravens, I would try to surround him with the best possible combination of receivers I could... and I think Kelley Washington fits them much better than Clayton.
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In an Ideal world we would keep both and drop one of the PS WRs but we have a better big body WR than K.Wash now. Boldin and K.Wash would be a fantastic red zone package though

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' date='05 April 2010 - 05:56 PM' timestamp='1270504592' post='386931']
why do you want to trade him he is competing for the #3 and behind him and Stallworth(still unproven/close to same numbers as clayton) we have M.Smith J.Harper E.Reily your all telling me you trust these guys more on the field?!? i dont understand your logic.... oh and he made plays in '08 as well he did have the 3rd most 40+ receptions in the league and the end arounds and that TD pass to mason. The dude is not a #2 but he is a roleplayer. I think we should keep him, let him do what he dose best and pay him accordingly and maybe throw him in the slot every now and then
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Did I say what Clayton traded? Did I say I prefer any of the other players on the roster to him? I'd rather they keep him because he knows the system and would be a great player to have for depth purposes.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='05 April 2010 - 02:28 PM' timestamp='1270499326' post='386901']
My problem with him is his inconsistency. He goes up and makes some really nice catches in the air (especially when no one's covering him), but drops some of the easy ones. I'm glad Boldin is here in Baltimore for many reasons and one is because Clayton and D Will (if they come back next year) can learn from him on how to be more physical. This should help Clayton become better at fighting the jam and getting more open because you really never see him use that vertical leap to his advantage when he's covered.
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yes i cant wait to see how Boldin affects all of our WRs its a dream come true... good points about the jam and inconsistency to you and all else who have brought it up
[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d8149a855/Mark-Clayton-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Steelers-2009"]v. Steelers[/url]
[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d8138a8a9/Mark-Clayton-Highlight-WK-06-vs-Vikings-2009"]v. vikes [/url]
[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/baltimore-ravens/09000d5d8129c8ba/Mark-Clayton-Highlight-WK-01-vs-Chiefs-2009"]v. Cheifs[/url]
[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80e08d71/Mark-Clayton-Highlight-WK-19-vs-Titans-2008"]v. Titans[/url]
[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80db7c5e/Mark-Clayton-Highlight-WK-17-vs-Jaguars-2008"]v. jags[/url]

i just threw these vids up to show he has a wonderful skillset to be taken advantage of
but should be used in a limited capacity kinda like how the Bengals used henry and maybe put him into a rotation for the slot with Stallworth and Washington but you can address the inconsistency by not playing him every down and putting him against weaker defenders

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='05 April 2010 - 04:12 PM' timestamp='1270505578' post='386945']
Did I say what Clayton traded? Did I say I prefer any of the other players on the roster to him? I'd rather they keep him because he knows the system and would be a great player to have for depth purposes.
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sorry misread my bad

[organizedchaos007]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='05 April 2010 - 02:00 PM' timestamp='1270494055' post='386850']
I wouldn't trade Clayton for less than a 3rd, he might be average but at least we know what we have. Most of the guys who go after the 3rd don't really make an impact at all, whereas Clayton has shown the ability to produce (mediocre) numbers at the #2 spot. He should theoretically improve if he moves to the #3 or #4 spot. I doubt he'll want a big contract or anything, he's a pretty good character guy from what I hear, he knows the system and he knows Flacco. I really don't see any reason to part with him for less than a 3rd.

And the "drop" against NE was really overblown. Yeah it sucks, but we had the entire game to put up points and fell short. Its our failure as a team that we would be in that desperate of a situation anyway.
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I have to agree with you. I think the fact hes been against 2nd string corners the whole time has hampered his progression. The fact that he will be our #3 or #4 reciever should pay off for him considering what he will be up against. I'm not a clayton hater, ive actually seen him make some of the most spectacular catches ive ever seen. However, hes definitely been an underachiever and hasnt been worth the first round pick we've spent on him. I actually would like to keep him, and washington as the #4 and #5 recievers respectively. He wont command much money, and honestly no team will prob give up more than a 4th rounder for him, and i just dont see ozzie letting him go for anything less than a 3.

[Shammy]

[quote name='organizedchaos007' date='05 April 2010 - 06:51 PM' timestamp='1270507917' post='386961']
I have to agree with you. I think the fact hes been against 2nd string corners the whole time has hampered his progression. The fact that he will be our #3 or #4 reciever should pay off for him considering what he will be up against. I'm not a clayton hater, ive actually seen him make some of the most spectacular catches ive ever seen. However, hes definitely been an underachiever and hasnt been worth the first round pick we've spent on him. I actually would like to keep him, and washington as the #4 and #5 recievers respectively. He wont command much money, and honestly no team will prob give up more than a 4th rounder for him, and i just dont see ozzie letting him go for anything less than a 3.
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[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='05 April 2010 - 03:19 PM' timestamp='1270498759' post='386892']
My problem has never been with Clayton.

It's with the Ravens and what they've done with Clayton. In this league, you can't get by with a bunch of smaller receivers. You need at least one big receiver type to go up and get the ball in the end zone when the field is "shrunk" and the line of scrimmage is closer to the goal line. This is especially true for a team like the Ravens who have a strong running game and need to clear space.

They finally got someone reliable with size in Kelley Washington, and now they think it's more important to keep Clayton than Washington. THAT'S the problem I have with the whole situation. I don't find Clayton to be incapable of producing. But Kelley Washington fits the current Ravens team much better than Clayton.

I feel like Clayton can be that deep threat [b]IF Flacco can learn to use the middle of the field more to draw in safeties. [/b] Flacco sometimes misses the receivers when they are open, and instead throws to a receiver that is in triple coverage. He's still young, but eventually he's going to have to get better if the receivers are going to get better. For now though, if I was the Ravens, I would try to surround him with the best possible combination of receivers I could... and I think Kelley Washington fits them much better than Clayton.
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I agree with you on Washington being a better fit compared to Clayton. But what you said about Clayton being more useful deep down the middle...it seems like cameron rarely calls pass plays in the middle, let alone deep middle. Two games I saw a lot of deep middle passes were the Lions and Bears, but usually we go for short curl plays, slant or post sideline plays, and deep stretches down the sideline. For a shorter reciever like Clayton, who has wicked speed, I feel like it's been the play calling that's handicapped him some. His only flaw skill wise is that sometimes he forgets to look the ball in, or tries capturing the ball into his body instead of using his hands (reason for "the drop").
I'd say keep him if we can't get higher than a 4th round pick and alternate him in the slot with Stallworth, unless one or the other makes a clear dominant position to take it permmanently.