4-3 V.s. 3-4

[Bltravens]

I think it may be in the boards best interest here to close this one down before Purock shanks back his credibility lol.

[dpatrickguy]

[quote name='rastaman831226' date='11 April 2010 - 06:51 PM' timestamp='1271026319' post='389594']
Here's the bottom line on this one. Unless you've got a magic wand to wave and magically make Gregg Mattison a competent DC overnite, forget about an SB appearance this coming season. And after Ray and Reed retire, be prepared to wave your crying towel because this team won't even sniff a SB ring as long as Gregg Mattison is in any way shape or form connected to this club. And since you appear to be a settler, become settled with a fair to middlin' team with an excuse driven fanbase, very entertaining but never a serious contender along the lines of the Philadelphia Eagles, the San Diego Chargers, or Ted Machibroda's old Ravens teams.
[/quote]
You continue to ignore every fact or statistic anyone produces, while producing none of your own, and still spout nonsense about Mattisons suppossed incompetence. You have no ground to stand on. It continues to astound how you have no idea what you're talking about.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='dpatrickguy' date='12 April 2010 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1271128708' post='390147']
You continue to ignore every fact or statistic anyone produces, while producing none of your own, and still spout nonsense about Mattisons suppossed incompetence. You have no ground to stand on. It continues to astound how you have no idea what you're talking about.
[/quote]


C'mon fellas, you're still licking each other's wounds over here? This was too easy. My list stands undisputed, this thread is closed. Goodnite.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='rastaman831226' date='13 April 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1271174001' post='390268']
C'mon fellas, you're still licking each other's wounds over here? This was too easy. My list stands undisputed, this thread is closed. Goodnite.
[/quote]
Yep closed down, chalk up a "W" to the majority.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='rastaman831226' date='13 April 2010 - 11:53 AM' timestamp='1271174001' post='390268']
C'mon fellas, you're still licking each other's wounds over here? This was too easy. My list stands undisputed, this thread is closed. Goodnite.
[/quote]

Yes your vanilla arguments and bubble-headed conclusions are irrefutably false, unfounded, and... oddly, enlightening.

Enlightening because, as you must realize, you managed to show that you are, in fact, all of those things you accused Mattison of being at the onset of the thread... The only difference being, Mattison adjusted and succeeded throughout the course of the season, whereas you continued with the exact same game plan and failed miserably.

Oh sweet irony

[The Raven]

Alright, after looking at our draft picks, it's evident we're playing 3-4 this year. I'm hoping that Kindle can start sometime through the season, and Cody will be starting when Gregg retires. I think they both will be rotated in. If Kruger out's on enough weight, I think our front seven may look like this by the 2011 season, if not half way through 2010:


Suggs - Ellerbe - Lewis - Kindle

Ngata - Cody - Kruger

Thoughts?

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='The Raven' date='23 April 2010 - 07:25 PM' timestamp='1272072358' post='397559']
Alright, after looking at our draft picks, it's evident we're playing 3-4 this year. I'm hoping that Kindle can start sometime through the season, and Cody will be starting when Gregg retires. I think they both will be rotated in. If Kruger out's on enough weight, I think our front seven may look like this by the 2011 season, if not half way through 2010:


Suggs - Ellerbe - Lewis - Kindle

Ngata - Cody - Kruger

Thoughts?
[/quote]

Thoughts? Yea.... it would be scary as hell to play against that.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='The Raven' date='23 April 2010 - 09:25 PM' timestamp='1272072358' post='397559']
Alright, after looking at our draft picks, it's evident we're playing 3-4 this year. I'm hoping that Kindle can start sometime through the season, and Cody will be starting when Gregg retires. I think they both will be rotated in. If Kruger out's on enough weight, I think our front seven may look like this by the 2011 season, if not half way through 2010:


Suggs - Ellerbe - Lewis - Kindle

Ngata - Cody - Kruger

Thoughts?
[/quote]


Ray won't be there in 2011 and where's Johnson, Gooden and Redding?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='rastaman831226' date='29 April 2010 - 01:17 AM' timestamp='1272518232' post='402052']
Ray won't be there in 2011 and where's Johnson, Gooden and Redding?
[/quote]
I think/hope Rays got more than this year left.....I think it all depends on how this year ends. Another ring and he's definitely done.

[The Raven]

[quote name='rastaman831226' date='29 April 2010 - 01:17 AM' timestamp='1272518232' post='402052']
Ray won't be there in 2011 and where's Johnson, Gooden and Redding?
[/quote]

Ray will be there this year, if not sub in Gooden or Phillips. If you actually read my post you would know that Kindle took JJ's starting role. Ellerbe is the starter, not Gooden. And I have a feeling that Kruger will start at LE and not Redding.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

last year ray signed a 7 year deal including 3 years possible of that as a linebacking coach so far he has till 2012 as a player

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='The Raven' date='02 May 2010 - 08:40 AM' timestamp='1272804057' post='403327']
Ray will be there this year, if not sub in Gooden or Phillips. If you actually read my post you would know that Kindle took JJ's starting role. Ellerbe is the starter, not Gooden. And I have a feeling that Kruger will start at LE and not Redding.
[/quote]



If it's 2011:


Suggs Gooden Ellerbe Johnson


Ngata Cody Redding

[tsizzle]

[quote name='The Raven' date='23 April 2010 - 09:25 PM' timestamp='1272072358' post='397559']
Alright, after looking at our draft picks, it's evident we're playing 3-4 this year. I'm hoping that Kindle can start sometime through the season, and Cody will be starting when Gregg retires. I think they both will be rotated in. If Kruger out's on enough weight, I think our front seven may look like this by the 2011 season, if not half way through 2010:


Suggs - Ellerbe - Lewis - Kindle

Ngata - Cody - Kruger

Thoughts?
[/quote]

Swap Ellerbe in Lewis' positions and put JJ in for Kindle and Redding in for Kruger and I like it.

[tsizzle]

[quote name='The Raven' date='02 May 2010 - 08:40 AM' timestamp='1272804057' post='403327']
Ray will be there this year, if not sub in Gooden or Phillips. If you actually read my post you would know that Kindle took JJ's starting role. Ellerbe is the starter, not Gooden. And I have a feeling that Kruger will start at LE and not Redding.
[/quote]

Ayanbedejo or McClain would play before Phillips IMO.

[tsizzle]

And for the record this debate is pointless. We don't truely run a 3-4 or a 3-4 or whatever else. We line up in all different kinds of formations. Though if I had to label it I would say it's a 3-4 more than it's a 4-3 and the way we just drafted looks like its staying that way.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

actualy alot of sites say we are 3-4/4-3 Hybrid because of our multiple packaging

[1/28/01]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' date='02 May 2010 - 08:53 AM' timestamp='1272804833' post='403332']
last year ray signed a 7 year deal including 3 years possible of that as a linebacking coach so far he has till 2012 as a player
[/quote]
Link please....this is not true

[Bltravens]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='02 May 2010 - 09:32 PM' timestamp='1272857579' post='403611']
Link please....this is not true
[/quote]
Well the part about being the LB coach isnt, but he signed a 3 year deal that in theory is actually a 7 year deal but I think the 4 years are all option years with his salary based mostly around incentives.

[berad]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='03 May 2010 - 12:54 AM' timestamp='1272862458' post='403632']
Well the part about being the LB coach isnt, but he signed a 3 year deal that in theory is actually a 7 year deal but I think the 4 years are all option years with his salary based mostly around incentives.
[/quote]

You are [url="http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/lewis-signs-7year-deal-with-ravens-211989.html"]CORRECT[/url]

[BloodRaven]

Redding will start, he is more like Pryce than Dwan Edwards at DE and already has the size and game experience that Kruger doesn't.

I can also see Gooden losing his job for good if he doesn't stay healthy.

[flynismo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='03 May 2010 - 12:30 AM' timestamp='1272864610' post='403642']
Redding will start, he is more like Pryce than Dwan Edwards at DE and already has the size and game experience that Kruger doesn't.

I can also see Gooden losing his job for good if he doesn't stay healthy.
[/quote]

I think Gooden has played his way out of a job already, which is disappointing. I had high hopes for him.

No way can I see Redding beating out Kruger for a starting spot. Redding is a mediocre player, and thats on a good day. I see him, at best, rotating in the line to keep our starters fresh. Kruger has way too much talent and potential to let a guy like Redding hold him back.

[Shammy]

3-4



(Suggs/Barnes) (Ellebre/Gooden) (Lewis) (Johnson/Kindle)

(Ngata) (Gregg/Cody) (Pryce/Redding)


4-3

(Suggs/Barnes) (Lewis) (Ellerbe/gooden)

(Johnson/Kruger) (Gregg/Cody) (Ngata/Pryce) (Redding/etc)

Either way you look at it any scheme we got alotta ppl to rotate on the line and in LBs

[MKdave]

[quote name='Shammy' date='03 May 2010 - 07:03 AM' timestamp='1272866629' post='403662']
3-4



(Suggs/Barnes) (Ellebre/Gooden) (Lewis) (Johnson/Kindle)

(Ngata) (Gregg/Cody) (Pryce/Redding)


4-3

(Suggs/Barnes) (Lewis) (Ellerbe/gooden)

(Johnson/Kruger) (Gregg/Cody) (Ngata/Pryce) (Redding/etc)

Either way you look at it any scheme we got alotta ppl to rotate on the line and in LBs
[/quote]

I think you've got the 4-3 lineup a bit wrong. Suggs would be an end in a 4-3, and Gooden would start at OLB with Ellerbe really only able to play MLB in that arrangement. Also Redding is an interior pass rusher, not really a rush end type. I think it would be more:

(Johnson/ Barnes) (Lewis/ Ellerbe) (Gooden/ Barnes )
(Suggs/Kindle) (Ngata/ Redding) (Gregg/ Cody) (Kruger/ Pryce)

[Boondock]

[quote name='flynismo' date='03 May 2010 - 01:48 AM' timestamp='1272865737' post='403652']
I think Gooden has played his way out of a job already, which is disappointing. I had high hopes for him.

No way can I see Redding beating out Kruger for a starting spot. Redding is a mediocre player, and thats on a good day. I see him, at best, rotating in the line to keep our starters fresh. Kruger has way too much talent and potential to let a guy like Redding hold him back.
[/quote]

I would not call Redding a mediocre player. I beleive he hasn't been healthy for the past two years. He was good enough to get a big contract out of Detroit. Anyway, Ozz see's something in the guy. The Ravens D makes good players play better. Let's see what he brings in training camp

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Boondock' date='03 May 2010 - 09:33 AM' timestamp='1272893589' post='403710']
I would not call Redding a mediocre player. I beleive he hasn't been healthy for the past two years. He was good enough to get a big contract out of Detroit. Anyway, Ozz see's something in the guy. The Ravens D makes good players play better. Let's see what he brings in training camp
[/quote]

Agreed. Seattle made a mistake in trying to convert him to DE when he had his best years as a DT in Detroit. Hopefully, he doesn't play out of position here.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='MKdave' date='03 May 2010 - 06:32 AM' timestamp='1272886346' post='403682']
I think you've got the 4-3 lineup a bit wrong. Suggs would be an end in a 4-3, and Gooden would start at OLB with Ellerbe really only able to play MLB in that arrangement. Also Redding is an interior pass rusher, not really a rush end type. I think it would be more:

(Johnson/ Barnes) (Lewis/ Ellerbe) (Gooden/ Barnes )
(Suggs/Kindle) (Ngata/ Redding) (Gregg/ Cody) (Kruger/ Pryce)
[/quote]

- With Kelly Gregg no longer able to consistently draw double teams a 4-3 seemed served us well as a short term option, picking up a giant clogger like Cody gives us a rotational understudy/replacement for Gregg and the option of reverting back to a base 3-4, it also gives us more flexibility with our hybrid defense and disguises.

- Kruger to full time DE makes sense, he played hand in the dirt his entire career and we have enough tweener OLBs, signing Redding, Jones and moving Kruger seems to indicate the DL will be rotating heavily to generate a bigger push.

- Redding would only move inside on 3rd downs, for now he's our replacement for Dwan in the 3-4 and will probably replaced by Pryce (on $4.5million this season) and/or Kruger in the 4-3 and passing downs.

- Ngata plays DE in the 3-4. When switching to the 4-3 if Gregg is playing then Ngata will move to NT, If Cody is playing Ngata will play the 3 technique. Some 4-3 packages will have Pryce and/or Redding moving inside.

- I think Cody will get a lot more game time than Kindle and Jones. Burgess, VanDeSteeg and Barnes are looking more and more like career special teamers.

- Predictions: DT Lamar Diven quick feet make him a possible sleeper, ILB Ellerbe to have a breakout year. LB Ayanbedejo, at 34 and yet to return from injury to be released.

LDE: Cory Redding/Trevor Pryce/Paul Kruger
NT: Kelly Gregg/Terrence Cody/Brandon McKinney/Kelly Talavou
RDE: Haloti Ngata/Lamar Divens/Arthur Jones

LOLB: Jarret Johnson/Sergio Kindle/William VanDeSteeg
LILB Ray Lewis/Jameel McClain/Jason Phillips/Brendon Ayanbadejo
RILB : Dannell Ellerbe/Tavares Gooden/Prescott Burgess
ROLB: Terrell Suggs/Antwan Barnes

[Boondock]

I hope Ayanbedejo comes back. He plays like a Raven!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Boondock' date='03 May 2010 - 10:17 AM' timestamp='1272896265' post='403725']
I hope Ayanbedejo comes back. He plays like a Raven!
[/quote]

B.A. plays hard and was cerainly starting to become a really coverage-LB before the injury but the team has so many good, young special teams LBs, I could see him getting cut.

And like BloodRaven said, [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=1251"]its taking him a good while[/url] to heal from the quad tear.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='tsizzle' date='02 May 2010 - 09:19 AM' timestamp='1272806360' post='403339']
And for the record this debate is pointless. We don't truely run a 3-4 or a 3-4 or whatever else. We line up in all different kinds of formations. Though if I had to label it I would say it's a 3-4 more than it's a 4-3 and the way we just drafted looks like its staying that way.
[/quote]


We have always been and will always be a base 3/4 defense that can play the 4/3 at times. Majority of packages will come off of the 3/4 alignment.

[Elmo]

[quote name='rastaman831226' date='03 May 2010 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1272896558' post='403728']
We have always been and [b]will always be[/b] a base 3/4 defense that can play the 4/3 at times. Majority of packages will come off of the 3/4 alignment.
[/quote]


Lol.... Could you take anotheer look in the crystal ball, and tell me the lottery numbers, please??? Or maybe some stock predictions

And to top it off "We always have been" lmao *100... In a thread of alledgedly unsubstantiated facts, and crediblity issues, that has to be the best comment yet, considering that even though our history is quite short (since 96) we've spent more years in the 4-3 then the 3-4... But hey, I don't have a link to that fact, only common knowledge and a memory, so there goes credibility :D:D:D:D:D