Should We Re-Sign Washington If He Wants To Come Back Or Keep Clayton At #4?

[DocMartin]

Sorry, but this topic is meaningless. Little dose of reality would help here. Ravens have
WR 1 Boldin
WR 2 Mason
WR 3 Stallworth
and M.Smith, Riley, Harper
K. Washington and Clayton, both have desire to be the starters, so, guess what, it's not gonna happen on this team, not this year or next.
That's why we aren't going 2 see K.Wash in Baltimore, and Clayton, unless he settles for possible WR No.3 salary, which is a very slim chance. I think there is actually a good chance of signing D-Williams to be No.4, which he is used to, for short deal and less money. Either way, Ravens already spent their money on WR core, so I wouldn't see any movement in that department until the Draft.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='13 March 2010 - 07:08 PM' timestamp='1268525282' post='376237']
Sorry, but this topic is meaningless. Little dose of reality would help here. Ravens have
WR 1 Boldin
WR 2 Mason
WR 3 Stallworth
and M.Smith, Riley, Harper
K. Washington and Clayton, both have desire to be the starters, so, guess what, it's not gonna happen on this team, not this year or next.
That's why we aren't going 2 see K.Wash in Baltimore, and Clayton, unless he settles for possible WR No.3 salary, which is a very slim chance. I think there is actually a good chance of signing D-Williams to be No.4, which he is used to, for short deal and less money. Either way, Ravens already spent their money on WR core, so I wouldn't see any movement in that department until the Draft.

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And I forgot, we could still resign WR David Tyree, which I think would be the good move, if the price is right.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='13 March 2010 - 07:11 PM' timestamp='1268525518' post='376240']
And I forgot, we could still resign WR David Tyree, which I think would be the good move, if the price is right.
[/quote]

I don't see Tyree returning. Marcus Smith is a good special teams player and under contract. It wouldn't make sense to re-sign Tyree.

[lgcs27288]

I think we should try to resign him anyways, just in case Boldin cant stay healthy, but I think we are going to let one of our youngest guys take that position. (Smith, Harper, Riley, drafted wr).

We would have a pretty sick 5 wr set if we did sign him though.

[Milton145]

Exactly. If we resign Washington if no one else does by draft day, our passing attack would be damn near unstoppable since Boldin, Mason, and Washingston all move the chains and rarely drop passes. Yes our top receivers would all be over 30, but they still play at a very high level.

We need Kelley Washingston back. If we go by the draft and pick up one of the top receivers, there's no point in resigning him which I think is a mistake.

PLEASE OZZIE RESIGN THE GUY.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='13 March 2010 - 04:16 PM' timestamp='1268525804' post='376244']
I don't see Tyree returning. Marcus Smith is a good special teams player and under contract. It wouldn't make sense to re-sign Tyree.
[/quote]

I hope Marcus Smith steps up next year on offense. I've always hoped for him to have success, so hopefully he can stay healthy next year. Tyree doesn't need to come back.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='13 March 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1268539443' post='376307']
I hope Marcus Smith steps up next year on offense. I've always hoped for him to have success, so hopefully he can stay healthy next year. Tyree doesn't need to come back.
[/quote]

I'm hoping Smith steps up too. He's around the same size as Q and should try and learn some things from him.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

I really wish I could have seen alot more of Kelly than what he was given. I think Mark would benefit from a change of scenery. He just never seemed to step up when he needed to. If Kelly wants to come back and compete for a spot, good. If the price ain't right, go get us a rookie. You know that they want to fulfill a lifelong dream. All in all I just say that "In Ozzie I Trust!" To be continued!

[Twoo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' date='14 March 2010 - 12:04 AM' timestamp='1268539443' post='376307']
I hope Marcus Smith steps up next year on offense. I've always hoped for him to have success, so hopefully he can stay healthy next year. Tyree doesn't need to come back.
[/quote]

I've been hoping for Marcus smith to come around for 2 years!

[ravenz_fan]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='11 March 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1268339414' post='375026']
Do I want him over Clayton? Of course.

Heck, I want Washington over Stallworth. And based on what he did last season, there's no reason he shouldn't be re-signed. He's too tall for most corners to guard. He's got great hands, and can get up in the air. He's a veteran, and has seen just about any kind of defense. Oh, and him and Flacco already know each other.

Really think it would be a mistake not to bring him back. But it's a mistake that is probably going to be made, because the Ravens basically have stated that they are bringing Clayton back when they placed that stupid-high tender on him. Nobody is giving up their 2nd round pick for Mark Clayton.
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i have to agree with this post well put

[Twoo]

[quote name='bce086' date='12 March 2010 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1268436202' post='375792']
<-- Here's one. I'm not going to post any of my reasons for this argument. But yes, I support Clayton over Washington. If you're curious as to why, dig up one of the 500 WR debate topics and read it.
[/quote]

Quick.... someone, hold me back

[KelleyWashington#1]

I think my screen name says it all. Kelley Washington has done nothing but good things for us while he was here and what happens if the injury-prone boldin or stallworth go down? WE NEED WASHINGTON. I say keep Washington let him compete for a spot and bring up harper aswell. Problem solved. C'mon ozzie give the man some credit, he came in and helped up big time last year. He didnt get the playing time he deserved then. So, dont screw him over again by not signing him.

[Purple Punishment]

Kelley Washington in limited duty produced the same numbers as Clayton whom played almost every down of every game barring the injury when D Will filled in for him and outplayed Clayton. I want Washington in place of Clayton. Our FO needs to get over Clayton and realize that we are going to let better talent walk just to keep him. Sad....

Im for Kelley if he wants to stay!

[DocMartin]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='15 March 2010 - 06:21 PM' timestamp='1268691700' post='377033']
Kelley Washington in limited duty produced the same numbers as Clayton whom played almost every down of every game barring the injury when D Will filled in for him and outplayed Clayton. I want Washington in place of Clayton. Our FO needs to get over Clayton and realize that we are going to let better talent walk just to keep him. Sad....

Im for Kelley if he wants to stay!
[/quote]

I hear what you all saying, I like K-Wash too, but I don't see it happening now. Since we got B-M-S (Boldin - Mason - Stallworth) I don't see enough MONEY and room on the roster for him. K-Wash wants to be the starter with the starter salary which he deserves, but most likely on different team, I just hope it's not the team in AFC North. I wish him good luck, he was good for us.

[Alexir]

[quote name='DocMartin' date='15 March 2010 - 07:33 PM' timestamp='1268696013' post='377082']
I hear what you all saying, I like K-Wash too, but I don't see it happening now. Since we got B-M-S (Boldin - Mason - Stallworth) I don't see enough MONEY and room on the roster for him. K-Wash wants to be the starter with the starter salary which he deserves, but most likely on different team, I just hope it's not the team in AFC North. I wish him good luck, he was good for us.

[/quote]

What if Washington beats out Stallworth in training camp and we cut stallworth cuz his contract is based on only if he makes the team. What if Mason gets injured, or boldin for that matter? I rather Have washington coming off the bench than No Play Clay.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='Alexir' date='15 March 2010 - 07:45 PM' timestamp='1268696731' post='377090']
What if Washington beats out Stallworth in training camp and we cut stallworth cuz his contract is based on only if he makes the team. What if Mason gets injured, or boldin for that matter? I rather Have washington coming off the bench than No Play Clay.
[/quote]
I could see your point. It's all about the money. Ravens stole Stallworth for very low price. And that's not the same with K-Washington. We know Ozzie, when he spent big money on Boldin & Mason deals, I don't see him spending more on another WR. Plus they already indicated they like to bring Clayton back, probably to compete for No.3 with Stallworth. Ask yourself a question, who wants more money on his contract K-Wash or Clayton?

[The Flock]

I think we should resign Washington. If one of our players is hurt he could take his place. Plus, I think he's a better receiver then Clayton.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='The Flock' date='15 March 2010 - 08:19 PM' timestamp='1268698743' post='377111']
I think we should resign Washington. If one of our players is hurt he could take his place. Plus, I think he's a better receiver then Clayton.
[/quote]
Yes, I hear you, but here's the economics side of it:
1) K-Wash wants to be the starter with starter salary
2) Ravens have Boldin - Mason - Stallworth, K-Wash if signed would be No.3 at best competing with Stallworth
3) Clayton could be signed for less
4) Clayton could be used as kick/punt returner
5) FO indicated they like to bring Clayton back, not sure in which role, regardless

[KelleyWashington#1]

I wish they would just sign Washington and forget this Clayton crap. Ok big deal, Clayton says he'll settle for less $$$. If you were the ravens, would you rather pay less for someone that you hardly get ANY production out of? Or do you pay a guy you can count on a little more money. Just set Kelley down and explain to him hes a #3 and he will be paid as such.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='KelleyWashington#1' date='16 March 2010 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1268776643' post='377712']
I wish they would just sign Washington and forget this Clayton crap. Ok big deal, Clayton says he'll settle for less $$$. If you were the ravens, would you rather pay less for someone that you hardly get ANY production out of? Or do you pay a guy you can count on a little more money. [b]Just set Kelley down and explain to him hes a #3 and he will be paid as such.[/b]
[/quote]

It isn't that simple. Another team may pay him a bit more and he'd had a better chance at becoming a starting WR. With the Ravens, the highest on the depth chart he'd be is the #3 and even then, Cam may sub him out in three-wide formations because Stallworth is a deep threat.

[Milton145]

I no one signs Kelley Washington in the next few weeks or months, he might now have a choice but to accept being a #3 or #4 receiver if he wants make a living.

We just have to see how things mull over.

[Nobi]

To everyone talking about Kelley wanting starter money, I dont know where you get this from. First of all he never has been a starter, also If you think about it he wasn't even on a team when we signed him at the very tail end of free agency last year. And teams aren't exactly knocking down our door trying to sign him.

Clayton however is already getting paid starter money, as the typical pay for someone who [i]actually is[/i] a starter. Someone might have seen something I havn't, but when did Clayton say he would take less money. Especially when its not like the FO has really hinted thats what they want to do, and people dont usually volunteer for a pay cut unless they know theyre going to get one anyway.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

HAHAHAHA Clayton will be a raven for life!!! i can't wait to see him come back and battle stallworth in camp....

[justifythegame]

[quote name='Milton145' date='11 March 2010 - 03:59 PM' timestamp='1268337563' post='375008']
Kelley Washington has said he wants a bigger role at the wide receiver position on offense. But that doesn't look like it's going to happen since no teams have been interested in signing Washington.

Most of us aren't big fans of Mark Clayton. He has shown flashes of being something big but just hasn't been all that consistent. Kelley Washington, straight up, has been way more productive and consistent than Clayton.

The guy is going to have to make a living somehow so my question is, should we resign Kelley Washington to bring him in to compete with Mark Clayton for the #4 and or #3 spot (even throw in Stallworth) at the wide receiver position? If Washington wins the position battle, Flacco would have 2 VERY productive and familiar targets to go along with a tough play making Anquan Boldin and possibly the speedy Stallworth in 4 WR Sets. Chemistry along with play makers can make us a scary offense.

Should we do it for a small $900,000 to $1.5 Million contract?
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ozzie is hanging onto clayton because if he didn't, it means he came out of the 05 draft with absolutely nothing.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

^stupidest thing ive ever heard... how is K.Wash a better receiver he was in a limited role playing against nickle and dime CB and LB. He is not fast enough to be on the outside or good enough to play every down now im not saying clayton is but hes a team player that can perform in many different roles he has more value than K.Wash in that respect. I believe than M.Smith could come in and do what K.Wash did too bad he got hurt in preseason

[KelleyWashington#1]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' date='17 March 2010 - 09:57 AM' timestamp='1268837859' post='378296']
^stupidest thing ive ever heard... how is K.Wash a better receiver he was in a limited role playing against nickle and dime CB and LB. He is not fast enough to be on the outside or good enough to play every down now im not saying clayton is but hes a team player that can perform in many different roles he has more value than K.Wash in that respect. I believe than M.Smith could come in and do what K.Wash did too bad he got hurt in preseason
[/quote]

Yah good idea, lets keep Clayton instead of Washington....WHAT ARE YOU ON!? Washington had better numbers as only being on the field a 3rd of the time than Clayton, who was in on EVERY down. Washington beats clayton in EVERY category. Speed, Height, and the biggest one. RELIABILITY!!!!! Sign Kelley, and dump Clayton on the street like the bumb he is.

[BuckWilds]

I'd like Washington to stick around, but I'm not distraught Clayton will likely be returning and it's primarily because I think he's not a spotlight guy and he'll do better in the current situation - he's got the talent, but I'm not sure he has the starter demeanor.

I think being #2, and as a result being in the spotlight, made Mark extremely uncomfortable. I think his head got in the way of his performance as much as his hands. Being a little further away from the spotlight will do him wonders... at least I hope.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='KelleyWashington#1' date='17 March 2010 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1268862961' post='378649']
Yah good idea, lets keep Clayton instead of Washington....WHAT ARE YOU ON!? Washington had better numbers as only being on the field a 3rd of the time than Clayton, who was in on EVERY down. Washington beats clayton in EVERY category. Speed, Height, and the biggest one. RELIABILITY!!!!! Sign Kelley, and dump Clayton on the street like the bumb he is.
[/quote]
i can see by your name that there is going to be no discussion on this but your right about the height not so sure about the speed they both ran the same 40 time and kelly was playing against weak pass defenders in the middle and he was getting shorter more accurate passes [u]thrown to him[/u](thats why the highest yardage receptions he got was 20+) unlike clayton who for the most part got overthrown on stabs down the field or just overthrown in general. I think clayton understands he is a role player he dosent want more money and i think he knew that if we brought someone like Boldin in that it would make him better as well. just let Kelly go get his money and his starting job we already have #1-3 set plus we have M.Smith E.Reiley and J.Harper trying to step up K.Wash was just a quick fix he played his year he can go... are we keeping Tyree? i thought he stood out on ST

[beasy2487]

[quote name='KelleyWashington#1' date='17 March 2010 - 05:56 PM' timestamp='1268862961' post='378649']
Yah good idea, lets keep Clayton instead of Washington....WHAT ARE YOU ON!? Washington had better numbers as only being on the field a 3rd of the time than Clayton, who was in on EVERY down. [b]Washington beats clayton in EVERY category. Speed, Height, and the biggest one. RELIABILITY!!!!![/b] Sign Kelley, and dump Clayton on the street like the bumb he is.
[/quote]

That's like saying that since Ronnie Brown threw a couple touchdowns and had less picks than Chad Henne he should start at QB in Miami.

You have to consider the situations these guys were put in as well their production. It's easier to catch a ball when NO ONE is game planning for it. Did you notice the severe drop off in Washington's production as the season went on due to the fact that as soon as defenders started paying attention to him he stopped getting open?

As a number 2, I agree Clayton is not the answer but he's definitely a better option @ 4 than Washington. The coaches aren't stupid, they watch these guys in practice and then watch them on tape in the games and week-to-week they put the best guys on the field. Everyone wants to win.

Let Kelley go play a 2 in a lesser offense where he'll get a chance but keeping him over Clayton would definitely be a mistake.

[KelleyWashington#1]

It really is no use arguing over this because the forum seems pretty divided on who should stay and who should go. The ravens are the ones spending the money and they will chose. Best case scenario would to bring them both in and let them compete for a spot. Whoever beats the other one out stays and the other is sent packing.