Joey Porter A Raven?

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 06:54 PM' timestamp='1268960086' post='379490']
No. I won't bother and here's why: It would be a waste of my time because you'll make up more garbage excuses and ways to twist it. I'm not that stupid. Besides, while there is no question in my mind that he has publicly addressed being disrespected by someone I was referring to his thriving on the whole respect/disrespect thing. Google it yourself if you don't believe me.
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I took your advice, and googled it. This was the best I could come up with.

http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/09/20/this-just-in-ray-lewis-can-still-play/

That, and the incident you quoted from the local fish-wrap.

Anything specific I should be trying? You know for sure, so I thought I'd ask.

[Purple Nurple]

GET.
A.
ROOM.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 09:20 PM' timestamp='1268961640' post='379513']
[b]What exactly am I being a homer about?[/b]
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Here you go:

The speculation that Ray-Ray just couldn't have been in the wrong:

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 05:38 PM' timestamp='1268948317' post='379310']
What exactly did Ray say? Did he bring up Porter getting shot for no reason? I could be wrong but I don't think Ray has ever talked trash off the field just to do it. [b]Porter likely said something first. [/b]He's never been afraid to talk smack unprovoked before.

And I didn't mean Ray would beat up Porter alone had he got off the bus. Other Ravens would have got off the bus too and Joey definitely would have been in trouble.
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Upon finding out that Ray-Ray actually started it, here's the excuse:

Note: I love the "possibly" part when I just showed you the article. Do you think JP lied about it? Because I never heard Ray Lewis deny it.


[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1268949847' post='379321']
How fans react means nothing.

[b]Porter took offense to Ray imitating his celebration and [u]possibly[/u] jawing at him.[/b] [/quote]


Then we move on to the Joey Porter talks a lot (Ray Doesn't) and Joey Porter cries a lot (Ray Doesn't) part:


[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1268949847' post='379321']
LOL! He talks non-stop and people don't cry about being disrespcted.

T.O. imitated Ray's celebration right in front of him. [b]I don't remember Ray making a stink about it.[/b]

And nothing Ray did excuses Porter trying to go after him.
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Of course not, but Franny pointed out that he did and......


[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1268957116' post='379451']
[b]Understandable but the key is he never expressed his anger at T.O. publicly like "Peazy" did.[/b]
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....then it became "understandable" and all of a sudden the "key" was "not in public." Did you see JP going after Ray-Ray in the bus? Right, NO ONE did because it wasn't in public. The first incident was because it was on the field in pre-game warm-ups.


Here's where we come full circle...

You (I'll paraphrase): "Ray did nothing wrong. Only JP cries about being disrespected. Ray Ray is entirely justified when he cries though. Whining about non-ref stuff is not fustified."

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 08:23 PM' timestamp='1268958187' post='379470']
[b]What did Ray start?[/b] He imitated Porter's celebration, jawed on the field and [b]"Peazy" started crying[/b] about being disrespected.

[b]As for him talking about the refs, he was justified.[/b] Most people who cover the NFL and watch it would agree. Anyone who watched that game knows the refs made two b.s. calls and likely wouldn't have made them had it not been Brady. Trent Dilfer on ESPN did a segment the next day showing various NFL QBs not named Brady getting pile-driven, hit in the head and abused only for the refs not to make the call.

I[b]t's not like Ray was whining[/b] about another player "disrespecting" him.

Ray does have a big mouth but he talks on the field and certainly doesn't start petty verbal wars the way Porter has done his entire career.
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Please....in fact, PRETTY PLEASE w/ sugar on top; spare me anymore excuses for Ray Lewis and your homerism.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' date='18 March 2010 - 09:40 PM' timestamp='1268962851' post='379522']
I took your advice, and googled it. This was the best I could come up with.

http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/09/20/this-just-in-ray-lewis-can-still-play/

That, and the incident you quoted from the local fish-wrap.

Anything specific I should be trying? You know for sure, so I thought I'd ask.
[/quote]

This might have been the article Cheap-shotartist86 was referring to: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmusa/is_200508/ai_n14877561/

From the beginning of the article, I can only infer the disrespect mentioned is that Ray is getting old, a product of the great players around him or some other nonsense his detractors may bring up.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' date='18 March 2010 - 09:40 PM' timestamp='1268962851' post='379522']
I took your advice, and googled it. This was the best I could come up with.

[url="http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/09/20/this-just-in-ray-lewis-can-still-play/"]http://www.scoresrep...can-still-play/[/url]

That, and the incident you quoted from the local fish-wrap.

[b]Anything specific I should be trying?[/b] You know for sure, so I thought I'd ask.
[/quote]

Yea, common sense:

[url="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/ravens/2005-08-11-lewis_x.htm"]Ray Ray and the respect/disrespect thing[/url]

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1268963409' post='379528']
This might have been the article [b]Cheap-shotartist86[/b] was referring to: [url="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmusa/is_200508/ai_n14877561/"]http://findarticles....8/ai_n14877561/[/url]

From the beginning of the article, I can only infer the disrespect mentioned is that Ray is getting old, a product of the great players around him or some other nonsense his detractors may bring up.
[/quote]

Whoa, I don't think Hines Ward has ever been investigated for murder and I have posted videos in this forum of Rays hits that are as bad or worse as Hines. So bite your tongue little fella.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 09:49 PM' timestamp='1268963345' post='379527']
Here you go:

Upon finding out that Ray-Ray actually started it, here's the excuse:

Note: I love the "possibly" part when I just showed you the article. Do you think JP lied about it? Because I never heard Ray Lewis deny it.

Then we move on to the Joey Porter talks a lot (Ray Doesn't) and Joey Porter cries a lot (Ray Doesn't) part:

Of course not, but Franny pointed out that he did and......

....then it became "understandable" and all of a sudden the "key" was "not in public." Did you see JP going after Ray-Ray in the bus? Right, NO ONE did because it wasn't in public. The first incident was because it was on the field in pre-game warm-ups.

Here's where we come full circle...

You (I'll paraphrase): "Ray did nothing wrong. Only JP cries about being disrespected. Ray Ray is entirely justified when he cries though. Whining about non-ref stuff is not fustified."

Please....in fact, PRETTY PLEASE w/ sugar on top; spare me anymore excuses for Ray Lewis and your homerism.
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Please...PRETTY PLEASE with a cherry on top of the sugar actually break down what someone else says entirely rather than picking apart what you want to to make your increasingly pathetic point.

So Ray did [b]did[/b] jaw at him. Who cares? Honestly, who cares? Even if he is on the sideline, NFL players are always yapping. Some think it's wrong, others consider it a part of the game. I have no problem with it.

Again, was I wrong in saying Ray doesn't start useless arguments with other players [b]off the field[/b]? I'd ask you to bring up an example but you'll likely go on about it being a trivial affair because I'm a homer. LOL!

How isn't it understandable that Ray got angry T.O. mocked him right in front of him? Again though, Ray didn't come out to the media and talk about being disrespected like Porter did. If Ray REALLY did say anything offensive to Porter, I'd understand if he was angry too. But according to Porter, all Ray did was imitate him and then bark a cliched phrase. While no saw Porter go after him, why would the story come out if there was no truth to it? And didn't Bettis back up the story?

All of this comes down to your unwillingness to differentiate between what Ray has done and what Porter has done. Porter went to the media about something that happened [b]on the field[/b] which NFL players normally don't do. I think it's sad that he did it and to top it off, he supposedly went after Ray. Ray has whined about the refs and talked of not liking to disrespected by other player's comments(like tons of NFL players have) but he has only gone to the media to complain after another player made a comment about him to the media.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 10:12 PM' timestamp='1268964766' post='379545']
Please...PRETTY PLEASE with a cherry on top of the sugar actually break down what someone else says entirely rather than picking apart what you want to to make your increasingly pathetic point.

So Ray did [b]did[/b] jaw at him. Who cares? Honestly, who cares? Even if he is on the sideline, NFL players are always yapping. Some think it's wrong, others consider it a part of the game. I have no problem with it.

Again, was I wrong in saying Ray doesn't start useless arguments with other players [b]off the field[/b]? I'd ask you to bring up an example but you'll likely go on about it being a trivial affair because I'm a homer. LOL!

How isn't it understandable that Ray got angry T.O. mocked him right in front of him? Again though, Ray didn't come out to the media and talk about being disrespected like Porter did. If Ray REALLY did say anything offensive to Porter, I'd understand if he was angry too. But according to Porter, all Ray did was imitate him and then bark a cliched phrase. While no saw Porter go after him, why would the story come out if there was no truth to it? And didn't Bettis back up the story?

All of this comes down to your unwillingness to differentiate between what Ray has done and what Porter has done. Porter went to the media about something that happened [b]on the field[/b] which NFL players normally don't do. I think it's sad that he did it and to top it off, he supposedly went after Ray. Ray has whined about the refs and talked of not liking to disrespected by other player's comments(like tons of NFL players have) but he has only gone to the media to complain after another player made a comment about him to the media.
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That's it; I'm not going full circle again. You're argument keeps narrowing and narrowing. I'm done. G'night Homer.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 07:54 PM' timestamp='1268963669' post='379532']
Whoa, I don't think Hines Ward has ever been investigated for murder and I have posted videos in this forum of Rays hits that are as bad or worse as Hines. So bite your tongue little fella.
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Alright first off, im not getting involved in this argument about Porter. People hate him who play on the Ravens, so simply he wont be a Raven. But this is about the 3rd or 4th time you've thrown the Lewis Murder investigation out at people in the last couple weeks, trying to either justify the way Hines Ward plays, or Roethlisbergers ongoing problems it has nothing to do with Ward, and Roethlisberger is in an entirely different situation with the law as well. Ya Lewis went to trial for murder, we know that, but you dont need to constantly bring it up as you have been....your better than that man.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1268963454' post='379529']
Yea, common sense:

[url="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/ravens/2005-08-11-lewis_x.htm"]Ray Ray and the respect/disrespect thing[/url]
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Thanks for posting the article but it's exactly as I stated. People felt Ray was losing a step. Did he mention any player, did he even utter the word 'disrespect' as you seem to believe he does all the time? Nope.

He likes to know what people think of him. That plays into his huge ego but little I've said about him tonight has been wrong.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 10:15 PM' timestamp='1268964941' post='379546']
That's it; I'm not going full circle again. You're argument keeps narrowing and narrowing. I'm done. G'night Homer.
[/quote]

I guess you won't be addressing your initial false claim that Ray commented on Porter getting shot. Alright then, good night to you too sir. Next time, don't come on this forum without checking your facts. Or better yet, don't try to defend a loud-mouth instigator and try to compare him to another player.

[RavensFan4duration]

In regards to ,Joey Porter,number one hes a Great player,all of the truely great athletes are emotional!hes no exception!! Can you imagine what a disruptive force on oposing offenses they would become,Ray Lewis ,Terrell Suggs and Joey Porter.I say,If this rumor is true Beware!Bengals and Steelers theres a new sheriff in town!!and once again it will be THE RAVENS DEFENSE!!!WREAKING HAVOC!!!!!!MAC..

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 10:23 PM' timestamp='1268965388' post='379553']
I guess you won't be addressing your initial false claim that Ray commented on Porter getting shot. Alright then, good night to you too sir. Next time, don't come on this forum without checking your facts. Or better yet, don't try to defend a loud-mouth instigator and try to compare him to another player.
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That false claim was what I recalled from memory. It was a few you years ago and you had NO RECOLLECTION OF IT WHAT-SO-EVER, so don't talk. Also, I don't instigate on here. I actually give a lot of credit to the Ravens when I feel it's deserved, but every now and then I encounter a homer like yourself that sees nothing but purple. Be a man; agree to disagree and quit your endless yapping about nothing. You like to talk, but you've said NOTHING. I had my facts straight, you just keep relying on the rather lame tactic of redirection and dismissal. It's commonly used by those who don't know how to admit when they are WRONG.

Tell you what junior, got to bed and if you want I will pick this up with you tomorrow.

[Ravenglenn]

[quote name='Ravens549' date='04 March 2010 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1267739822' post='368505']
Yes, and please lets sign T.O. too while we are at it.


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I'm with you! Throw in Jamarcus Russell and Pacman Jones while you're at it!

[thewarden86]

[quote name='RavensFan4duration' date='18 March 2010 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1268966055' post='379563']
In regards to ,Joey Porter,number one hes a Great player,all of the truely great athletes are emotional!hes no exception!! Can you imagine what a disruptive force on oposing offenses they would become,Ray Lewis ,Terrell Suggs and Joey Porter.I say,If this rumor is true Beware!Bengals and Steelers theres a new sheriff in town!!and once again it will be THE RAVENS DEFENSE!!!WREAKING HAVOC!!!!!!MAC..
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I don't think you guys have room for him. But I still think he has gas in the tank and could contribute.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1268963409' post='379528']
This might have been the article [b]Cheap-shotartist86[/b] was referring to: [url="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmusa/is_200508/ai_n14877561/"]http://findarticles....8/ai_n14877561/[/url]

From the beginning of the article, I can only infer the disrespect mentioned is that Ray is getting old, a product of the great players around him or some other nonsense his detractors may bring up.
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[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 09:54 PM' timestamp='1268963669' post='379532']
Whoa, I don't think Hines Ward has ever been investigated for murder and I have posted videos in this forum of Rays hits that are as bad or worse as Hines. So bite your tongue little fella.
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[quote name='Bltravens' date='18 March 2010 - 10:18 PM' timestamp='1268965098' post='379548']
Alright first off, im not getting involved in this argument about Porter. People hate him who play on the Ravens, so simply he wont be a Raven. But this is about the 3rd or 4th time you've thrown the Lewis Murder investigation out at people in the last couple weeks, trying to either justify the way Hines Ward plays, or Roethlisbergers ongoing problems it has nothing to do with Ward, and Roethlisberger is in an entirely different situation with the law as well. Ya Lewis went to trial for murder, we know that, but you dont need to constantly bring it up as you have been....your better than that man.
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Are you sure you aren't confusing me with someone else? I usually avoid bringing that up, but I did it because he had the nerve to call out Hines Ward while defending Ray Lewis. I found that hypocritical. Usually, when someone on here attacks Hines Ward for cheap shotting I post the video of Rays hit on the Bronco (?) during one of McCallisters returns. Anyway, that's neither here nor there: I disagree that I bring it up very much at all to be honest.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 10:35 PM' timestamp='1268966155' post='379564']
That false claim was what I recalled from memory. It was a few you years ago and you had NO RECOLLECTION OF IT WHAT-SO-EVER, so don't talk. Also, I don't instigate on here. I actually give a lot of credit to the Ravens when I feel it's deserved, but every now and then I encounter a homer like yourself that sees nothing but purple. Be a man; agree to disagree and quit your endless yapping about nothing. You like to talk, but you've said NOTHING. I had my facts straight, you just keep relying on the rather lame tactic of redirection and dismissal. It's commonly used by those who don't know how to admit when they are WRONG.

Tell you what junior, got to bed and if you want I will pick this up with you tomorrow.
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Just because I didn't recall the event doesn't mean I can't talk. Next time, DON'T MAKE CLAIMS FROM MEMORY. And there you again not reading what I wrote(as you've done numerous times tonight). I never called you an instigator. Porter is by the actions he's taken his entire career. Ray did provoke Porter by doing "the kick" but why did Porter have to go to the media and cry about something that happened on the field? Did he want sympathy? It's as if Deion Sanders got hurt and went to the media after a game complaining that another player did his dance in the end-zone and jawed at him. LOL!

So what have I redirected or dismissed? And what exactly am I wrong about?

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 10:44 PM' timestamp='1268966653' post='379575']
Are you sure you aren't confusing me with someone else? I usually avoid bringing that up, but I did it because he had the nerve to call out Hines Ward while defending Ray Lewis. I found that hypocritical. Usually, when someone on here attacks Hines Ward for cheap shotting [b]I post the video of Rays hit on the Bronco (?) during one of McCallisters returns.[/b] Anyway, that's neither here nor there: I disagree that I bring it up very much at all to be honest.
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LOL! You consider that hit dirty? He clearly put his shoulder into Burns' chest. And I noticed you mentioned Ray has delivered other "dirty" hits in another post. Care to bring some of those up?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 10:45 PM' timestamp='1268966715' post='379576']
Just because I didn't recall the event doesn't mean I can't talk. Next time, DON'T MAKE CLAIMS FROM MEMORY. And there you again not reading what I wrote(as you've done numerous times tonight). I never called you an instigator. Porter is by the actions he's taken his entire career. Ray did provoke Porter by doing "the kick" but why did Porter have to go to the media and cry about something that happened on the field? Did he want sympathy? It's as if Deion Sanders got hurt and went to the media after a game complaining that another player did his dance in the end-zone and jawed at him. LOL!

So what have I redirected or dismissed? And what exactly am I wrong about?
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Besides yelling at me to not make claims from memory (which is entirely ridiculous...and you know it), I have no issues with this post. lol

You're right, I skimmed and mis-read what you wrote. SORRY! ;-)

Can we be done now?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1268966653' post='379575']
Are you sure you aren't confusing me with someone else? I usually avoid bringing that up, but I did it because he had the nerve to call out Hines Ward while defending Ray Lewis. I found that hypocritical. Usually, when someone on here attacks Hines Ward for cheap shotting I post the video of Rays hit on the Bronco (?) during one of McCallisters returns. Anyway, that's neither here nor there: I disagree that I bring it up very much at all to be honest.
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No you really are good about it, but Im pretty sure you've brought it up a couple times in the Roethlisberger thread, and then again here. Thats why I said "your better than that man".

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 10:45 PM' timestamp='1268966715' post='379576']

LOL! You consider that hit dirty? He clearly put his shoulder into Burns' chest.
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Oh dear lord, here we go again. NO, I have NO problems with that hit, but it is no different that anyone of Hines hits. Heck, I LOVED that Ray Lewis hit, but dude didn't see it coming and I personally don't care. That's too bad.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='18 March 2010 - 10:50 PM' timestamp='1268967035' post='379580']
No you really are good about it, but Im pretty sure you've brought it up a couple times in the Roethlisberger thread, and then again here. Thats why I said "your better than that man".
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Well, if I did it before I don't remember. As I said, I'm usually conscious of that issue around here.

Thanks for the compliment. *cheers*

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 10:49 PM' timestamp='1268966958' post='379579']
Besides yelling at me to not make claims from memory (which is entirely ridiculous...and you know it), I have no issues with this post. lol

You're right, I skimmed and mis-read what you wrote. SORRY! ;-)

Can we be done now?
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Yep...with this debate.


[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 10:51 PM' timestamp='1268967075' post='379581']
Oh dear lord, here we go again. NO, I have NO problems with that hit, but it is no different that anyone of Hines hits. Heck, I LOVED that Ray Lewis hit, but dude didn't see it coming and I personally don't care. That's too bad.
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So Ray smacking Burnes is no different from Ward leading with his helmet on several blocks in this video?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbLNFiQSTyE[/media]

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1268967517' post='379589']
Yep...with this debate. [/quote]

Thank Gawd. I think I finally met someone more hard headed than me.




[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1268967517' post='379589']So Ray smacking Burnes is no different from Ward leading with his helmet on several blocks in this video?

[media][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QGKlluCU0o&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.c...feature=related[/url][/media]
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That video is blocked here. I'll look at it when I get home (about an hour from now).

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 11:00 PM' timestamp='1268967613' post='379590']
Thank Gawd. I think I finally met someone more hard headed than me.

That video is blocked here. I'll look at it when I get home (about an hour from now).
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No hard feelings right?

I posted the wrong video but check out the right one when you can. Some of the blocks are I clean and crisp but others, not so much...

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 11:07 PM' timestamp='1268968033' post='379592']
No hard feelings right?

I posted the wrong video but check out the right one when you can. Some of the blocks are I clean and crisp but others, not so much...
[/quote]

No hard feelings. *cheers*

Okay, about the lead with the helmet/lead with the shoulder thing. SOME DB's/LB's occassionally hit with the outside of the shoulder, but usually the point is to try to throw the top of that shoulder into the person being hit (preferably in the center of the chest or upper torso. Sometimes the ball, sometimes the legs). Now, what else is on the top of your shoulders? Exactly. Too many folks think that because the helmet hit first, he led with the helmet. Or God forbid, it's helmet-to-helmet...then everyone on the side of the guy who received the hit screams bloody murder. Yet ALL 32 teams have had players who've been both the victim and the aggressor. Honestly, I think it's tough to avoid. It's going to happen more times than not when you're trying to deliver a blow with your shoulder.

Hines appears to try and clip Reed in the chest with his shoulder, so what's he do? He puts his head down. Ed Reed, in the split second he has to react, does the natural thing and tries to condense his body and lowers his head too. It happens all the time. The only reason Hines gets so much attention is because he's the only WR doing it. I've seen Ed McCafferey knock dudes out to at WR, but he's gone now and he didn't do it as much as Hines.

I always find it funny that when ever his hits are reviewed no one can find anything illegal about them, yet he still gets voted one of the dirtiest players in the NFL. But most of that is because he does things to provoke other players to react which draws the flag.

No one is going to tell me that any one of the 32 head coaches in the NFL wouldn't love to have Hines Ward on their team. I totally understand the hate, but I don't care. I love the guy immensely and I think much of the "dirty player" crap is just that: Crap.

[theFRANCHISE]

And this debate proves exactly why Joey Porter shouldn't become a Raven!

But in all seriousness, Porter is just too much of a lightning rod to mesh with the locker room. Too much bad blood in the past between Porter and the Ravens. Porter's temper is too short, hence why he's taken everything entirely too seriously. He took the division rivalry too seriously when he was in the AFC North, leading to the casino fistfight with Levi Jones and the pre-game fistfight with William Green. He took criticism from his Dolphins coaches too seriously and talked his way out of Miami. Who knows what he'd do in Baltimore? He's not worth it, especially at his age and with his mouth.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='19 March 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1268973143' post='379605']
And this debate proves exactly why Joey Porter shouldn't become a Raven!

But in all seriousness, Porter is just too much of a lightning rod to mesh with the locker room. Too much bad blood in the past between Porter and the Ravens. Porter's temper is too short, hence why he's taken everything entirely too seriously. He took the division rivalry too seriously when he was in the AFC North, leading to the casino fistfight with Levi Jones and the pre-game fistfight with William Green. He took criticism from his Dolphins coaches too seriously and talked his way out of Miami. Who knows what he'd do in Baltimore? He's not worth it, especially at his age and with his mouth.
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You keep saying "too seriously." Some of those things you mentioned are the things we Steelers fans loved about him. I don't believe he had any locker room issues in Miami and I know for a fact his Steeler teammates loved the (poop) out of him.

But I agree he shouldn't become a Raven. You guys already stole Rod Woodson, you can't have Peazy.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1268929456' post='379107']
Actually, players do "give a dang" about grudges.

[b]Again, the Dolphins let him go for a number of reasons, the major ones being, he isn't good anymore.[/b] He was losing snaps to a former CFL player and was complaining about despite his obvious drop-off in play.

Instead of bringing your opinions to the debate, look at the FACTS.
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Wrong, players don't give a dang about real or perceived grudges. Players care about winning. Sports writers who don't realize they're $2 hacks and fans who don't realize they're $2 Goobers easily buy into bad hype. Dolphins let Porter go primarily because of financial reasons, nothing more, nothing less. To say he could not help a situation where the Ravens have only one legitimate DE is ludicrous. There can be no argument that Porter is the best FA at his position out there despite his age and salary. And if the brass is serious about the goal of winning the SB, acquiring Porter as a 1- 2 year stop gap should be given some serious consideration.

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Porter's just trash, he thinks he's a lot better than he actually is. He actually used to be pretty good, but whatever juice he had is long gone. Its funny how a steelers fan will call US homers for defending Ray, when they feel the need to defend some garbage LB who isn't even on their team anymore just because he USED to be a steeler.

Maybe we are a little biased towards Ray, but are you really saying you aren't a little biased towards Porter? Why do you even care then? Smack talk happens, we all know that. But we also know Ray is 5x the player Porter could ever be and has been a HUGE influence and leader for the Ravens, much more than Porter ever accomplished in his career.

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Wrong, players don't give a dang about real or perceived grudges. Players care about winning. Sports writers who don't realize they're $2 hacks and fans who don't realize they're $2 Goobers easily buy into bad hype. Dolphins let Porter go primarily because of financial reasons, nothing more, nothing less. To say he could not help a situation where the Ravens have only one legitimate DE is ludicrous. There can be no argument that Porter is the best FA at his position out there despite his age and salary. And if the brass is serious about the goal of winning the SB, acquiring Porter as a 1- 2 year stop gap should be given some serious consideration.
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The beat goes on...

Have you ever played a down in the NFL or covered a team? How do you know NFL players don't keep grudges? And how can you say Miami let him go for financial reasons with such certainty? What facts do you have to back that up?

Had Porter racked up 15+ sacks last season, would they have let him go? Probably not. Money played part in him getting canned but so did him being limited to a sitiational role(due to declining skills) and him handling the situation poorly.

You say he's the best at his position on the market but if he could still be a force, why is he still jobless?

The Ravens are very serious about going to the SB and probably have tossed Porter's named around but he isn't coming here.