Joey Porter A Raven?

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 March 2010 - 04:25 PM' timestamp='1267737947' post='368473']
Aging LB who has had a history of conflict with our boys and likes to run his mouth and stir things up? Won't happen. Joey Porter was one of those guys who took the on-field stuff too far, as evidenced in his fistfight with the Bengals' Levi Jones and his threats towards Ray Lewis.

Say no to Porter.
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It's NFL football, a violent game played by violent, competitive men. It should never be confused with girl or boy scout meetings. As long as Porter can bring it on Sunday's, he's an excellent player and teammate. Say a big " yes " to Porter.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='rastaman831226' date='15 March 2010 - 08:11 PM' timestamp='1268698319' post='377104']
It's NFL football, a violent game played by [b]violent[/b], competitive men. It should never be confused with girl or boy scout meetings. As long as Porter can bring it on Sunday's, he's an excellent player and teammate. Say a big " yes " to Porter.
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The game itself is violent but that doesn't execute acting like a punk before, in between or after games.

Porter doesn't really "bring it" on Sundays anymore anyway. He won't be a Raven.

[thewarden86]

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[b]Joey Porter A Raven?[/b]
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[MsMarvel73]

[quote name='jlaw48' date='12 March 2010 - 08:11 PM' timestamp='1268439106' post='375832']
Hellllloooooooo...Hes 3rd in the NFL in sacks in the last two seasons!! He had 9 sacks last year on a team where he barely played! I think he would be a good pass rusher on third down. Ray Lewis would keep in in check and make him keep his mouth closed!! Hes going to lower the money he wants and should be a light to medium cap hit!! We didnt get B-Marshall so there would be no conflict!!
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We don't NEED HIM!!

NO PORTER....unless it's beer!!!!!!

[Bltravens]

Cant believe this thread is still ongoing....does somebody really need to post the Jamal Lewis pic....AGAIN?!

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='15 March 2010 - 08:26 PM' timestamp='1268699216' post='377117']
The game itself is violent but that doesn't execute acting like a punk before, in between or after games.

Porter doesn't really "bring it" on Sundays anymore anyway. He won't be a Raven.
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Who really cares what he does before, in between or after games? The philosophy of winning at anything is not just to LOOK good, but to BE good. He can still bring it.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='rastaman831226' date='18 March 2010 - 01:41 AM' timestamp='1268890905' post='378939']
Who really cares what he does before, in between or after games? The philosophy of winning at anything is not just to LOOK good, but to BE good. He can still bring it.
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Again, this is the same guy that was trying to get some of his Steelers teammates to join him in jumping Ray Lewis after a game. None of them wanted any part of Ray, so it never happened. Imagine trying to introduce that into the locker room? Not only that, but if this is the same guy who's gotten ejected for fighting before a game, has had a criminal investigation for getting into a fistfight with another player at a casino, and has talked about acting on violent premonitions off the field, then how does that make a good teammate? How does that not court the attention of the NFL at some point?

All of those problems plus being on the wrong side of 32? How does that translate to wins?

[NinjaTurtle]

The guy won't play for the ravens. period.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='18 March 2010 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1268891700' post='378942']
Again, this is the same guy that was trying to get some of his Steelers teammates to join him in jumping Ray Lewis after a game. None of them wanted any part of Ray, so it never happened. Imagine trying to introduce that into the locker room? Not only that, but if this is the same guy who's gotten ejected for fighting before a game, has had a criminal investigation for getting into a fistfight with another player at a casino, and has talked about acting on violent premonitions off the field, then how does that make a good teammate? How does that not court the attention of the NFL at some point?

All of those problems plus being on the wrong side of 32? How does that translate to wins?
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Players don't give a dang about real or contrived personal grudges or off the field incidents. They care about football. And if Porter can put pressure in opposing QB's- the secondary will love him- the D line will love him- the coaches will love him- and you, my friend, will love him as well.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='rastaman831226' date='18 March 2010 - 12:02 PM' timestamp='1268928154' post='379096']
Players don't give a dang about real or contrived personal grudges or off the field incidents. They care about football. And if Porter can put pressure in opposing QB's- the secondary will love him- the D line will love him- the coaches will love him- and you, my friend, will love him as well.
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Actually, players do "give a dang" about grudges.

[b]Again, the Dolphins let him go for a number of reasons, the major ones being, he isn't good anymore.[/b] He was losing snaps to a former CFL player and was complaining about despite his obvious drop-off in play.

Instead of bringing your opinions to the debate, look at the FACTS.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='18 March 2010 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1268891700' post='378942']
Again, [b]this is the same guy that was trying to get some of his Steelers teammates to join him in jumping Ray Lewis after a game.[/b] None of them wanted any part of Ray, so it never happened. Imagine trying to introduce that into the locker room? Not only that, but if this is the same guy who's gotten ejected for fighting before a game, has had a criminal investigation for getting into a fistfight with another player at a casino, and has talked about acting on violent premonitions off the field, then how does that make a good teammate? How does that not court the attention of the NFL at some point?

All of those problems plus being on the wrong side of 32? How does that translate to wins?
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. He didn't try to recruit anyone to try and "jump" Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis made a comment about him having gotten shot in Denver (as an innocent by-stander) and Porter called him out on it at that moment and THEN chased after him post game and Ray wouldn't come off the bus.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1268945288' post='379278']
Whoa, whoa, whoa. He didn't try to recruit anyone to try and "jump" Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis mad a comment about him having gotten shot in Denver (as an innocent by-stander) and Porter called him out on it at that moment and THEN chased after him post game and Ray wouldn't come off the bus.
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Ray was smart not to come off the bus. There was no point in getting into a fight with Mr.Popcorn Muscles and hurting him.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 05:07 PM' timestamp='1268946460' post='379286']
Ray was smart not to come off the bus. There was no point in getting into a fight [/quote]

I agree. But he shouldn't have run his yap in the first place either. And I don't believe he ever did again.

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 05:07 PM' timestamp='1268946460' post='379286']with Mr.Popcorn Muscles and hurting him.
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Yea, I don't think that would have happened.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1268946553' post='379287']
I agree. But he shouldn't have run his yap in the first place either. And I don't believe he ever did again.

Yea, I don't think that would have happened.
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What exactly did Ray say? Did he bring up Porter getting shot for no reason? I could be wrong but I don't think Ray has ever talked trash off the field just to do it. Porter likely said something first. He's never been afraid to talk smack unprovoked before.

And I didn't mean Ray would beat up Porter alone had he got off the bus. Other Ravens would have got off the bus too and Joey definitely would have been in trouble.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 05:38 PM' timestamp='1268948317' post='379310']
What exactly did Ray say? Did he bring up Porter getting shot for no reason? I could be wrong but I don't think Ray has ever talked trash off the field just to do it. Porter likely said something first. He's never been afraid to talk smack unprovoked before.

And I didn't mean Ray would beat up Porter alone had he got off the bus. Other Ravens would have got off the bus too and Joey definitely would have been in trouble.
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An excerpt from the [url="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07061/766218-66.stm"]Pittsburgh Post-Gazete[/url]

[quote][b]September 2003:[/b] After the Steelers defeated the Ravens 34-15, Porter lashed out at Ray Lewis, who mocked Porter's signature kicking gesture after a big play. Porter sat out the game on the sidelines while recovering from a gunshot wound. [i]"I thought he kind of disrespected me. [b]He came out here, he's doing the boot and telling me this is his house.[/b] I think that's negative. You don't come and disrespect a man who's hurt. Why are you worried about me? I'm not even playing. Why are you imitating me? That let me know he doesn't care. There were times when he was in trouble with the law, his shoulder was hurt, and I went over there and shook his hand and said, `Get through it.' Yet, he wants to make fun of me being hurt? I take that like a slap in the face. You never kick a man when he's down.[/i]

[i]"He's running around there, running his mouth, doing all that, but if you watch him on film and really look, where was Ray Lewis? He was nowhere to be found. I could have tackled the water boy and had as many tackles as him. He didn't do nothing today. He's all mouth. When you talk like that, that's what happens: You get hit in the mouth. He's over there crying now, thinking about what went wrong. You got your [rear end] whipped, that's what."[/i]

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Don't tell me the Ravens players and their fans wouldn't have gotten excited if the situation was reversed. Peazy likes to talk. That's no secret, but it doesn't make him automatically wrong.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1268948629' post='379313']
An excerpt from the [url="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07061/766218-66.stm"]Pittsburgh Post-Gazete[/url]



Don't tell me the Ravens players and their fans wouldn't have gotten excited if the situation was reversed. Peazy likes to talk. That's no secret, but it doesn't make him automatically wrong.
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How fans react means nothing.

Porter took offense to Ray imitating his celebration and possibly jawing at him. LOL! He talks non-stop and people don't cry about being disrespcted.

T.O. imitated Ray's celebration right in front of him. I don't remember Ray making a stink about it.

And nothing Ray did excuses Porter trying to go after him.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1268949847' post='379321']
How fans react means nothing.

Porter took offense to Ray imitating his celebration and possibly jawing at him. LOL! He talks non-stop and people don't cry about being disrespcted.

T.O. imitated Ray's celebration right in front of him. I don't remember Ray making a stink about it.

And nothing Ray did excuses Porter trying to go after him.
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Whatever. Like I said, if the situation were reversed, so would be your take on it.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 06:16 PM' timestamp='1268950605' post='379324']
Whatever. Like I said, if the situation were reversed, so would be your take on it.
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Not really. I'm not some blind homer. Had Ray made those comments over something as trivial as a celebration imitation, I wouldn't have thought it was cool.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1268945288' post='379278']
Whoa, whoa, whoa. He didn't try to recruit anyone to try and "jump" Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis made a comment about him having gotten shot in Denver (as an innocent by-stander) and Porter called him out on it at that moment and THEN chased after him post game and Ray wouldn't come off the bus.
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I was actually relating the story as told off-hand by Jerome Bettis during an appearance on NFL Network a few years back. This was after Porter became a free agent and signed with the Dolphins, I believe. Bettis said he didn't wanna get involved.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1268949847' post='379321']
T.O. imitated Ray's celebration right in front of him. I don't remember Ray making a stink about it.
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Ray Lewis didn't make a public comment about it, but Anthony Weaver and a couple other teammates said that he was furious and those same teammates saw it as a huge sign of disrespect, especially in light of the messy trade situation before the start of that season.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='18 March 2010 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1268954382' post='379407']
Ray Lewis didn't make a public comment about it, but Anthony Weaver and a couple other teammates said that he was furious and those same teammates saw it as a huge sign of disrespect, especially in light of the messy trade situation before the start of that season.
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Understandable but the key is he never expressed his anger at T.O. publicly like "Peazy" did.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1268957116' post='379451']
Understandable but the key is he never made it public like "Peazy" did.
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Of course, it all comes down to that.

The "key" to me is that Ray-Ray started something and then put his tail between his legs when he was called out on it. And he DOES go whining in public about the officials CONSTANTLY so quit fooling yourself.

I know peazy has a big mouth, why can't you admit the same about your beloved Ray Lewis? You say you're not a blind homer and I believed you when you said it; now I'm beginning to think you are exactly that.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 08:09 PM' timestamp='1268957393' post='379457']
Of course, it all comes down to that.

The "key" to me is that Ray-Ray started something and then put his tail between his legs when he was called out on it. And he DOES go whining in public about the officials CONSTANTLY so quit fooling yourself.

I know peazy has a big mouth, why can't you admit the same about your beloved Ray Lewis? You say you're not a blind homer and I believed you when you said it; now I'm beginning to think you are exactly that.
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What did Ray start? He imitated Porter's celebration, jawed on the field and "Peazy" started crying about being disrespected.

As for him talking about the refs, he was justified. Most people who cover the NFL and watch it would agree. Anyone who watched that game knows the refs made two b.s. calls and likely wouldn't have made them had it not been Brady. Trent Dilfer on ESPN did a segment the next day showing various NFL QBs not named Brady getting pile-driven, hit in the head and abused only for the refs not to make the call.

It's not like Ray was whining about another player "disrespecting" him.

Ray does have a big mouth but he talks [b]on the field[/b] and certainly doesn't start petty verbal wars the way Porter has done his entire career.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 08:23 PM' timestamp='1268958187' post='379470']
What did Ray start? He imitated Porter's celebration, jawed on the field and "Peazy" started crying about being disrespected.

As for him talking about the refs, he was justified. Most people who cover the NFL and watch it would agree. Anyone who watched that game knows the refs made two b.s. calls and likely wouldn't have made them had it not been Brady. Trent Dilfer on ESPN did a segment the next day showing various NFL QBs not named Brady getting pile-driven, hit in the head and abused only for the refs not to make the call.
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It's not like Ray was whining about another player "disrespecting" him. [/b]

Ray does have a big mouth but he talks [b]on the field[/b] and certainly doesn't start petty verbal wars the way Porter has done his entire career.
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*sigh*

Alright Homer; whatever you say. I'm done here.

But for the record, if I patented the word "disrespect" I could retire on the money I'd make on Ray Lewis' use of it alone.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 08:36 PM' timestamp='1268958987' post='379483']
*sigh*

Alright Homer; whatever you say. I'm done here.

But for the record, if I patented the word "disrespect" I could retire on the money I'd make on Ray Lewis' use of it alone.
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Calling out the refs(as I've heard your boy Troy Polamlu do before) is different from crying a player disrespected you.

I know Ray has a big mouth and there are even times when he's a drama-queen. But just because I won't compare him to Porter doesn't mean I'm a homer.

To your last statement bring up one example where Ray said another player disrespected him publicly in regards to something that happened on the field.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 08:43 PM' timestamp='1268959424' post='379485']
Calling out the refs(as I've heard your boy Troy Polamlu do before) is different from crying a player disrespected you.

I know Ray has a big mouth and there are even times when he's a drama-queen. But just because I won't compare him to Porter doesn't mean I'm a homer.

To your last statement [b]bring up one example where Ray said another player disrespected him publicly in regards to something that happened on the field.[/b]
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No. I won't bother and here's why: It would be a waste of my time because you'll make up more garbage excuses and ways to twist it. I'm not that stupid. Besides, while there is no question in my mind that he has publicly addressed being disrespected by someone I was referring to his thriving on the whole respect/disrespect thing. Google it yourself if you don't believe me.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 08:54 PM' timestamp='1268960086' post='379490']
No. I won't bother and here's why: It would be a waste of my time because you'll make up more garbage excuses and ways to twist it. I'm not that stupid. Besides, while there is no question in my mind that he has publicly addressed being disrespected by someone I was referring to his thriving on the whole respect/disrespect thing. Google it yourself if you don't believe me.
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You're just too lazy to go find evidence to back up your claims.

All NFL players talk about being disrespected for various reasons. Ray did it when Jerome Bettis said Takeo Spikes was just as good as him and he's likely done it dozens of other times. However, I've never heard of Ray talking about disrespected [b]on the field[/b] because no has been foolish enough to do it and it's not something NFL players do(at least most of them).

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 March 2010 - 09:00 PM' timestamp='1268960405' post='379496']
You're just too lazy to go find evidence to back up your claims.[b] [/b]

All NFL players talk about being disrespected for various reasons. Ray did it when Jerome Bettis said Takeo Spikes was just as good as him and he's likely done it dozens of other times. However, I've never heard of Ray talking about disrespected [b]on the field[/b] because no has been foolish enough to do it and it's not something NFL players do(at least most of them).
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Yea, I'm too lazy and you're NOT a homer.

First it was Peazy started with Ray Ray for no reason, then it was "yea, but" and now it's "All NFL players" do it. You actually challenged me to find an instance where he brought up public an instance of disrespect, and then you actually cite one yourself and even go on to speculate that he's done it dozens of other times. THAT is why I said it would be a waste of time, because you keep trying to discount anything that could possibly be construed as a negative towards him. I'm pretty sure that's the definition of homerism.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 09:11 PM' timestamp='1268961089' post='379505']
Yea, I'm too lazy and you're NOT a homer.

First it was Peazy started with Ray Ray for no reason, then it was "yea, but" and now it's "All NFL players" do it. You actually challenged me to find an instance where he brought up public an instance of disrespect, and then you actually cite one yourself and even go on to speculate that he's done it dozens of other times. THAT is why I said it would be a waste of time, because you keep trying to discount anything that could possibly be construed as a negative towards him. I'm pretty sure that's the definition of homerism.
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What exactly am I being a homer about? Instead of labeling me, read what I've written down. Ray doesn't moan and complain about crap that happens [b]on the field[/b]. However, he, like a lot of NFL(and college) players, will complain about refs and bring up being disrespected to the media. Was I wrong in saying that? Am I wrong lying in saying Porter talks more trash off the field then Ray? Am I wrong in saying Porter was wrong in going after Ray?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 March 2010 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1268945288' post='379278']
Whoa, whoa, whoa. He didn't try to recruit anyone to try and "jump" Ray Lewis. [b]Ray Lewis made a comment about him having gotten shot in Denver[/b] (as an innocent by-stander) and Porter called him out on it at that moment and THEN chased after him post game and Ray wouldn't come off the bus.
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LOL! So when exactly did Ray make a comment about Porter being shot? In Porter's words, all Ray did was imitate him and deliver the requisite "This is my house!" line.