Boldin/Marshall

[FerrariFan87]

Marshall. We will get 5 more years of production out of him, and he's durable.

[ReedYourMind 20]

Okay first of all, Brandon Marshall for the #25 overall pick would be the greatest gift to the city of Baltimore since the superbowl in 2000. Ever since draft talk began at the end of the season, til now, I could never decide on who I thought we should draft in the first round. Obviously receiver is our main concern, but who would be there at 25. Why gamble on a 1st round draft pick for a project receiver (which are usually busts anyway)? If were gonna win, weve got to win now. Theres no reason that I can see, why Ozzie will not get this done. We would finally have a dynamic, high powered offense for the first time in the history of Bmore.
Looking at the receiving core, if this deal is done:

-Derrick Mason (Ole Reliable), other than the one dropped pass in the Pitt game he has been very consistent. If Mason comes back, you also keep that chemistry that he has with Flacco which is very important.

-Donte' Stallworth, if everything pans out the way us fans are hoping, hes got the speed to stretch the field and also has the great ability for the run after the catch.

-Brandon Marshall, what a beast and a plamaker. Dont really need to say anything about him, everyone knows what he is capable of on the field.

These 3 receivers compliment each other perfectly, having a possession receiver, a speedy field stretcher, and the miracle man who makes a play out of nothing. Individually, all three could have great production but each receiver helps out the other in which they demand certain coverages or double teams that open up another receiver.

Not to mention if you add in the consistent production of Heap and Rice in the passing game, with this receiving core, I can see Flacco, if healthy, throwing for around 4500 yards, 30+ TDs, a Pro Bowl ballot and the most important, a superbowl ring.

On the other hand, all of the nay sayers to acquiring Marshall because of the issues and "baggage" that comes with him, I dont see this being an issue at all. When somebody gets what they want in life(the big paycheck), theres no reason to fuss, he is not the T.O. of a few years ago. If he comes to Baltimore Im sure he knows exactly what hes getting himself into...one of the best front offices in the league, a locker room full of leaders (coaches and players), a great chance of winning a superbowl very soon and the loyalty us fans give to this team. I cant see why or how he would destroy something as strong as our organization, instead I can see him wanting to become a part of the leadership and play and produce with Flacco, Rice, and our young O-line for years to come.

Sorry for the rant.

[GoRavensNTerps]

If we end up getting marshall, you think we still make a play for kevin walter? Imagine our wr line up.

1. Marshall
2. Walter (our wes welker?)
3. Washington
4. Stallworth


we wouldn't even need to waste money on a new Derrick Mason contract.

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='GoRavensNTerps' date='04 March 2010 - 04:31 PM' timestamp='1267738295' post='368481']
If we end up getting marshall, you think we still make a play for kevin walter? Imagine our wr line up.

1. Marshall
2. Walter (our wes welker?)
3. Washington
4. Stallworth


we wouldn't even need to waste money on a new Derrick Mason contract.
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Yeah boy Madden 2011 goin' on up in here.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='ReedYourMind 20' date='04 March 2010 - 04:17 PM' timestamp='1267737439' post='368465']
Okay first of all, Brandon Marshall for the #25 overall pick would be the greatest gift to the city of Baltimore since the superbowl in 2000. Ever since draft talk began at the end of the season, til now, I could never decide on who I thought we should draft in the first round. Obviously receiver is our main concern, but who would be there at 25. Why gamble on a 1st round draft pick for a project receiver (which are usually busts anyway)? If were gonna win, weve got to win now. Theres no reason that I can see, why Ozzie will not get this done. We would finally have a dynamic, high powered offense for the first time in the history of Bmore.
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It wouldn't be the first time Baltimore had a high-powered offense -- what about the days of Johnny Unitas and Bert Jones? Or, if we're talking the Ravens, what about the days of Vinny Testaverde with receivers Michael Jackson and Derrick Alexander? Testaverde has been the only Pro Bowl QB in Ravens history thus far, not including Steve McNair's selection as an alternate in 2006 that he passed on so that Vince Young could take his place.

Additionally, though WR has the highest failure rate in the NFL overall by nature of the position, the success of first-round WRs has far outweighed the risk over the years; the first-rounders that succeed, do so overwhelmingly. Note that the current crop of unanimous "elite" WRs in the NFL have all been in the first round: Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Reggie Wayne. Even guys who some would debate over their elite categorization like Randy Moss came in the first round.

[quote name='ReedYourMind 20' date='04 March 2010 - 04:17 PM' timestamp='1267737439' post='368465']
On the other hand, all of the nay sayers to acquiring Marshall because of the issues and "baggage" that comes with him, I dont see this being an issue at all. When somebody gets what they want in life(the big paycheck), theres no reason to fuss, he is not the T.O. of a few years ago. If he comes to Baltimore Im sure he knows exactly what hes getting himself into...one of the best front offices in the league, a locker room full of leaders (coaches and players), a great chance of winning a superbowl very soon and the loyalty us fans give to this team. I cant see why or how he would destroy something as strong as our organization, instead I can see him wanting to become a part of the leadership and play and produce with Flacco, Rice, and our young O-line for years to come.
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As stated on the NFL Network's Top Ten Draft Busts show, if you have a guy who has a history of problems and you throw money at him, no amount of structure can rein him in. Randy Moss was the exception to the rule, and that was largely because the Patriots restricted his availability to the media; for all we know, Moss could've given the Pats the same headaches that he's given other teams. Just like dealing with a child, if you give a problem child what they want, that does nothing to stop the whining -- it only delays it.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='GoRavensNTerps' date='04 March 2010 - 04:31 PM' timestamp='1267738295' post='368481']
If we end up getting marshall, you think we still make a play for kevin walter? Imagine our wr line up.

1. Marshall
2. Walter (our wes welker?)
3. Washington
4. Stallworth


we wouldn't even need to waste money on a new Derrick Mason contract.
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Mason > Walter in every way at this point... he won't cost much and has an excellent rapport with Joe (to a fault at times)

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='GoRavensNTerps' date='04 March 2010 - 04:31 PM' timestamp='1267738295' post='368481']
If we end up getting marshall, you think we still make a play for kevin walter? Imagine our wr line up.

1. Marshall
2. Walter (our wes welker?)
3. Washington
4. Stallworth


we wouldn't even need to waste money on a new Derrick Mason contract.
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If the Ravens acquire Marshall, I don't think they'll go after any other WRs.

And how would re-signing Masom be a waste? The man has sacrificed his body for this team time and time again and carried the passing game by himself at times. He deserves to be brought back.

[GoRavensNTerps]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='04 March 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1267739213' post='368498']
If the Ravens acquire Marshall, I don't think they'll go after any other WRs.

And how would re-signing Masom be a waste? The man has sacrificed his body for this team time and time again and carried the passing game by himself at times. He deserves to be brought back.
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Yeah but Mason wants a 2 year deal. Would you rather have a much younger guy who is a great number 2 wr or give a 2 year contract to Mason who won't be happy no longer being the number 1 guy if we sign Marshall?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='04 March 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1267739213' post='368498']
If the Ravens acquire Marshall, I don't think they'll go after any other WRs.

And how would re-signing Masom be a waste? The man has sacrificed his body for this team time and time again and carried the passing game by himself at times. He deserves to be brought back.
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+1 and for anyone so say otherwise is complete BS on their part!!! Mason has been the heart and soul of our offense for years and deserves a 2 year contract. He still can produce!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='GoRavensNTerps' date='04 March 2010 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1267739725' post='368503']
Yeah but Mason wants a 2 year deal. Would you rather have a much younger guy who is a great number 2 wr or give a 2 year contract to Mason who won't be happy no longer being the number 1 guy if we sign Marshall?
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How do know Derrick won't be happy he's not the primary target anymore? From the interviews I've heard, Mason wants a ring. With Marshall here, he'd had a better chance at getting one. I doubt he'd let his ego get the best of him.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='04 March 2010 - 05:18 PM' timestamp='1267741108' post='368510']
How do know Derrick won't be happy he's not the primary target anymore? From the interviews I've heard, Mason wants a ring. With Marshall here, he'd had a better chance at getting one. I doubt he'd let his ego get the best of him.
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Exactly, Mason would completely understand and gladly slide over to #2

Being #2 would pull alot of coverages off of Mason and allow him to operate more efficently. B Marsh can crush double coverage easily and Stallworth speeding on the field would spell total disaster for D Coordinators. I really believe the FO has been planning this one out. Its going just the way they have planned

[Ravensfan23]

I think Mason fully understands that he will not be the Ravens #1 WR next year. That is of course if the team trully plans on upgrading the position.

If the Ravens did aquire Marshall or Boldin I would still look for them to attack the WR position in the draft.

We will have a few extra picks towards the back of the draft because of the free agents we lost last year.

Having Marshall at the top of the WR crop would allow the Ravens to select a couple of young WRs and let them truely delevlop.

[POE]

Even though Boldin is in his 30's, didn't we go and grab Mason in his later years too? I don't remember how old he was when we signed him and I'm too lazy right now to look, but I think he was up there in age and look at what he has done since being with us. IMO Boldin has the best risk/reward as the FO has talked so much about in their state of the Ravens interview. While Marshall has the youth and the proven ability to be a teams #1 WR, Boldin has played solid next to the best in the game in Fitgerald without all of the off-field garbage. Either one of these guys will upgrade our group of WR's but Boldin could be had for cheaper and may be the better option for our team. Go and get him if the price is right!

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='POE' date='04 March 2010 - 05:53 PM' timestamp='1267743206' post='368526']
Even though Boldin is in his 30's, didn't we go and grab Mason in his later years too? I don't remember how old he was when we signed him and I'm too lazy right now to look, but I think he was up there in age and look at what he has done since being with us. IMO Boldin has the best risk/reward as the FO has talked so much about in their state of the Ravens interview. While Marshall has the youth and the proven ability to be a teams #1 WR, Boldin has played solid next to the best in the game in Fitgerald without all of the off-field garbage. Either one of these guys will upgrade our group of WR's but Boldin could be had for cheaper and may be the better option for our team. Go and get him if the price is right!
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Things I'll point out about Boldin:

- Played well even before Fitzgerald and Breaston joined the team and drew coverage away
- Has played through injuries
- Only flare-ups came on the sidelines out of frustration

Keep in mind, Drew Rosenhaus was responsible for keeping Boldin out of camp for awhile and Boldin voluntarily reported against Rosenhaus' advice, and then fired him thereafter.

[POE]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 March 2010 - 05:59 PM' timestamp='1267743587' post='368531']
Things I'll point out about Boldin:

- Played well even before Fitzgerald and Breaston joined the team and drew coverage away
- Has played through injuries
- Only flare-ups came on the sidelines out of frustration

Keep in mind, Drew Rosenhaus was responsible for keeping Boldin out of camp for awhile and Boldin voluntarily reported against Rosenhaus' advice, and then fired him thereafter.
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Good post! I like this guy as well as anybody on this forum and now that the acking price for him has lowered significantly I truly hope we go after him. He justs fits what our coaches and FO believes in and could make a big impact on our team.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

Its hard to tell who to go after...Although Boldin has been great who knows how good he will do without Fitz on the other side of the ball from him..Also the fact that he has had some injury problems...On the other hand Marshall is younger cost more and has had off field issues...I think that if I would go with Boldin on the small cost fact alone...it would enable us to go and get a quality player with the 1st round pick that he Ravens are great at doing and it doesnt have to be a WR

[H8R]

I would hate for us to get Boldin and the guy misses 5-6 games of the season. As I said, the team needs to pick an identity and go with it!

[jodi bryant]

i hope the team knows wat there doing cause they need to make a move for marshall period.... an if possible bring in jeoy porter why i say porter.. is becuase we need to knock the qb's down more.. an the fans are just sick an tired of seeing our defens put there back on the line year in an year out ray lewis deserves another an ed reed... we need to give flacoo more weapons now if it means a 1 rounder for it then so be it... because honestly the team doesnt have too many holes but getting marshall is an must! it will make these plays even greater if anyone is listening in the office... flacoo, ray rice , tod heap an now stallworth.. so look the mian foces is marshall.. if for the fans an our players on defens.. an look no one knows wats going to happen in 2011? so lets win an do it now! like malcom x said at any means nceassery.. marshall & joey porter an if i had a wish why not bring in daunta robinson well for not lets see what happens.. an no i dont want t.o. in a ravens uniform.. he had a chance to be one but turnt us down so nooooo!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='jodi bryant' date='04 March 2010 - 07:36 PM' timestamp='1267749419' post='368591']
i hope the team knows wat there doing cause they need to make a move for marshall period.... an if possible bring in jeoy porter why i say porter.. is becuase we need to knock the qb's down more.. an the fans are just sick an tired of seeing our defens put there back on the line year in an year out ray lewis deserves another an ed reed... we need to give flacoo more weapons now if it means a 1 rounder for it then so be it... because honestly the team doesnt have too many holes but getting marshall is an must! it will make these plays even greater if anyone is listening in the office... flacoo, ray rice , tod heap an now stallworth.. so look the mian foces is marshall.. if for the fans an our players on defens.. an look no one knows wats going to happen in 2011? so lets win an do it now! like malcom x said at any means nceassery.. marshall & joey porter an if i had a wish why not bring in daunta robinson well for not lets see what happens.. an no i dont want t.o. in a ravens uniform.. he had a chance to be one but turnt us down so nooooo!
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Neither Joey Porter or Dunta Robinson are coming here. Porter is on the decline and Dunta is going to get paid some serious coin by some team(not the Ravens).

And just because there might be a lock-out in 2011, doesn't mean the Ravens should sacrifice their future.

[POE]

[quote name='jodi bryant' date='04 March 2010 - 07:36 PM' timestamp='1267749419' post='368591']
i hope the team knows wat there doing cause they need to make a move for marshall period.... an if possible bring in jeoy porter why i say porter.. is becuase we need to knock the qb's down more.. an the fans are just sick an tired of seeing our defens put there back on the line year in an year out ray lewis deserves another an ed reed... we need to give flacoo more weapons now if it means a 1 rounder for it then so be it... because honestly the team doesnt have too many holes but getting marshall is an must! it will make these plays even greater if anyone is listening in the office... flacoo, ray rice , tod heap an now stallworth.. so look the mian foces is marshall.. if for the fans an our players on defens.. an look no one knows wats going to happen in 2011? so lets win an do it now! like malcom x said at any means nceassery.. marshall & joey porter an if i had a wish why not bring in daunta robinson well for not lets see what happens.. an no i dont want t.o. in a ravens uniform.. he had a chance to be one but turnt us down so nooooo!
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Not sure what your really rambling on about here but it sounded kind of like you would like us just to throw away the future for the present. That doesn't sound like a very good idea and i dislike you logic as much as your punctuation and run-ons.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='jodi bryant' date='04 March 2010 - 07:36 PM' timestamp='1267749419' post='368591']
i hope the team knows wat there doing cause they need to make a move for marshall period.... an if possible bring in jeoy porter why i say porter.. is becuase we need to knock the qb's down more.. an the fans are just sick an tired of seeing our defens put there back on the line year in an year out ray lewis deserves another an ed reed... we need to give flacoo more weapons now if it means a 1 rounder for it then so be it... because honestly the team doesnt have too many holes but getting marshall is an must! it will make these plays even greater if anyone is listening in the office... flacoo, ray rice , tod heap an now stallworth.. so look the mian foces is marshall.. if for the fans an our players on defens.. an look no one knows wats going to happen in 2011? so lets win an do it now! like malcom x said at any means nceassery.. marshall & joey porter an if i had a wish why not bring in daunta robinson well for not lets see what happens.. an no i dont want t.o. in a ravens uniform.. he had a chance to be one but turnt us down so nooooo!
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awesome read here

[Ed_Reed20]

I really hope Peter King is wrong about this: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3653&line=168996&spln=1

I find it funny because Jim Trotter(also of SI) said on "First Take" this morning that the Ravens were front-runner to get Marshall.

We'll see what happens...

[RavingRaven]

Fellow fans, the so obvious choice here is for Marshall.

Never has there been another receiver as proven and as talented (broke records last year) to hit the market at such a young age. This opportunity is so valuable it can not be overstated.

Why not use our first round pick on Marshall? Would we not have signed our first rounder to a nice sized salary anyway, would we not shell out more to guarantee freakish production?

Please stop talking about character issues and suspension possibilities. Marshall and Stalworth can go to counseling together to repair the emotional trauma from the involvement of their respective murder cases.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='04 March 2010 - 09:33 PM' timestamp='1267756388' post='368668']
I really hope Peter King is wrong about this: [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3653&line=168996&spln=1"]http://www.rotoworld...e=168996&spln=1[/url]

I find it funny because Jim Trotter(also of SI) said on "First Take" this morning that the Ravens were front-runner to get Marshall.

We'll see what happens...
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The local radio station that the link references is WNST, so along with King, that's two sources that say the Ravens are no longer interested in Marshall. If two more sources come out and say it without referencing one another, then we can all but assume that the deal won't be made, which only gives further hints that the Ravens would more likely deal for Anquan Boldin given the lower price tag.

[Tonymontana45]

This might be my bias talking, but I don't believe the Ravens would want to act like they are interested, it might just drive the price up or others into the fray. I remember reports before this saying that the ravens would be interested if the price of a 1st and a 3rd went down, which it obviously has! The obvious choice is Marshall between the two. While we can get one for a 3rd, he been injury prone and hasn't had a 16 game year in a few years, he's older and I believe a lot of success is due to Fitz and Warner. Marshall has been successful with Orton and Royal and royal is nothing like Fitz!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Tonymontana45' date='04 March 2010 - 10:04 PM' timestamp='1267758241' post='368693']
This might be my bias talking, but I don't believe the Ravens would want to act like they are interested, it might just drive the price up or others into the fray. I remember reports before this saying that the ravens would be interested if the price of a 1st and a 3rd went down, which it obviously has! The obvious choice is Marshall between the two. While we can get one for a 3rd, he been injury prone and hasn't had a 16 game year in a few years, he's older and [b]I believe a lot of success is due to Fitz and Warner.[/b] Marshall has been successful with Orton and Royal and royal is nothing like Fitz!
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That's a common misconception about Boldin. He was putting up Pro Bowl numbers before Fitzgerald or Warner were and prior to the 2008 post-season, I think an equal amount of people would've said he was better than Fitzgerald.

His injuries and age are concerns but I'd love to see him a Raven if Marshall isn't an option.

[DuDe]

wasnt TO 31 when we tried to get him? Q is turning 30 and "plays like a raven" they are asking for a 3rd and if we get Q we could get [b]brandon grahm[/b] with our first pick or maybe gresham and then we can get a reciever in the 2nd round like maybe benn, thomas, or gilyard then all of our problems would be solved cough cough we would also sign [b]leigh bodden[/b]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXPHFkFMjTM

[1/28/01]

[quote name='DuDe' date='04 March 2010 - 10:11 PM' timestamp='1267758669' post='368702']
wasnt TO 31 when we tried to get him? Q is turning 30 and "plays like a raven" they are asking for a 3rd and if we get Q we could get brandon grahm with our first pick or maybe gresham and then we can get a reciever in the 2nd round like maybe benn, thomas, or gilyard then all of our problems would be solved cough cough we would also sign leigh bodden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXPHFkFMjTM
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So, you would use our 1st, 2nd and 3rd all on receivers/TE's? And you think that would solve all of our problems? HA!

[DuDe]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='04 March 2010 - 10:26 PM' timestamp='1267759596' post='368716']
So, you would use our 1st, 2nd and 3rd all on receivers/TE's? And you think that would solve all of our problems? HA!
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actually i said first on BRANDON GRAHM or Gresham than i said a receiver in round two then trade third for Q than i said we should also get LEIGH BODDEN maybe you should thoroughly read what i said

[DuDe]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='04 March 2010 - 10:26 PM' timestamp='1267759596' post='368716']
So, you would use our 1st, 2nd and 3rd all on receivers/TE's? And you think that would solve all of our problems? HA!
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i even bolded it for you