Free Agents

[neepo13]

All I can say is...LOL @ #19 on the list.

That's funny to me. TD's or no TD's, he's still not the same player of old that national analysts say he is.

He may be producing TD's, but he's not the long-term solution that they're all making him out to be.

I agree. If one of his olineman go down or their passing attack falters. His team is in deep trouble. I think we, Ravens Nation, know all to well that he cant produce without a gapping holes to run through. Stack the line against him and he's garbage. Pittsburgh proved that week one.

[neepo13]

I like # 9 but he commits to many penaltys. I'd love to see #2,#7,#11. Isn't Derick Anderson a free agent 2? How come hes not on the list?

Cause he's restricted. To make him an offer you need to be willing to give up a first and third round pick and even then you may not get him because Cleveland could match the offer.

[neepo13]

I like # 9 but he commits to many penaltys. I'd love to see #2,#7,#11. Isn't Derick Anderson a free agent 2? How come hes not on the list?

#9 is my favorite. He doesnt commit as many penalties as a few other birds I know.

[neepo13]

After those two drops Sunday, #16 just moved down the list.

[Ravens_Pwn12]

i want Albert Hyansworth one of my fav players and then we need Brian Dawkins and Al Harris

[PuRock]

It's kind of funny. two years ago Haynesworth stepped on some dude's face on purpose. And everybody was like, he shouldn't even be in the league. Nobody would want that type of player on their team.

Now he will probably end up being paid as one of the top DT's in the league.

[Jamal]

I think #1 is a little overrated. I wouldnt have put him up that high.

I hate the Colts, but you have to admit he is not overrated. With the exception of the playoff game last week, he is usually allover the field, and he does not misstackle.

[dlavin]

i want Albert Hyansworth one of my fav players and then we need Brian Dawkins and Al Harris

that would be a veryyyyyyyyyyy expensive offseason

[neepo13]

I hate the Colts, but you have to admit he is not overrated. With the exception of the playoff game last week, he is usually allover the field, and he does not misstackle.

He's a safety that's his job. Name me one safety that isnt all over the field. Compared to Reed, Polamalu, and A. Wilson, he is very overrated. If there was a fantasy draft of safeties all of them and more would go before him.

[dlavin]

He's a safety that's his job. Name me one safety that isnt all over the field. Compared to Reed, Polamalu, and A. Wilson, he is very overrated. If there was a fantasy draft of safeties all of them and more would go before him.

he doesn't compile a lot of stats but he is very important to the colts organization. He is more what Dawan Landry is to us he plays more support in our run game as a strong safety, but more important to the colts D who has more undersized line backers who need more support in the run game. Landry Recorded 89 tackles, the 2nd-highest rookie total in team history (Ray Lewis - 142 in 1996)...Also finished 2nd on the NFL

[Ravens_Pwn12]

that would be a veryyyyyyyyyyy expensive offseason

i got em all on my madden

[neepo13]

he doesn't compile a lot of stats but he is very important to the colts organization. He is more what Dawan Landry is to us he plays more support in our run game as a strong safety, but more important to the colts D who has more undersized line backers who need more support in the run game. Landry Recorded 89 tackles, the 2nd-highest rookie total in team history (Ray Lewis - 142 in 1996)...Also finished 2nd on the NFL

[neepo13]

i got em all on my madden

Madden doesnt have accurate contracts for all the players. Some players make a lot less then they really do. Plus when you are signing them they dont ask for nearly as much as they do in real life. Dwight Freeny only commands about 50 million over 7 years and like 11 million bonus on Madden. In real life he got 70+ million and way more then 11 million in a bonus.

[Jamal]

He's a safety that's his job. Name me one safety that isnt all over the field. Compared to Reed, Polamalu, and A. Wilson, he is very overrated. If there was a fantasy draft of safeties all of them and more would go before him.

Now that I look his stats next to Landry's, I have to agree with you. Hes a good safety, but he did not deserve to be defensive player of the year. If he was on a team like the Jaguars or Bucs nobody would even know his name.

[Sub-Zero]

I agree he is important to the Colts but that doesnt make him the defensive player of the year or the best available free agent. The fact that he doesnt pile up the stats to me would be a red flag. He's more of an emotional boost to the Colts, he may not be like that going into another locker room.

stats are overrated. and besides Sanders covers and supports the run better than most safeties and despite a few games this year, the Colts haven't given up many big plays largely in part to Sanders.

[Corvus]

Well, Haynesworth is helping Gregg tear up opposing offensive lines in my Ravens franchise in Madden 08, so he would also be a great guy in the prime of his career to pick up, the problem is I'm sure he would be an issue for the cap.

[CARavensFan]

Well, Haynesworth is helping Gregg tear up opposing offensive lines in my Ravens franchise in Madden 08, so he would also be a great guy in the prime of his career to pick up, the problem is I'm sure he would be an issue for the cap.

What about Ngata? He's going to develop into a dominating force just like Haynesworth and he'll cost less money.

[Corvus]

What about Ngata? He's going to develop into a dominating force just like Haynesworth and he'll cost less money.

Ngata is great, I have loved his playmaking abilities since he entered the league and he is probably the best young Raven on defense. But he USUALLY plays defensive end, Haynesworth is usually a defensive tackle like Kelly Gregg.

[CARavensFan]

Ngata is great, I have loved his playmaking abilities since he entered the league and he is probably the best young Raven on defense. But he USUALLY plays defensive end, Haynesworth is usually a defensive tackle like Kelly Gregg.

That's only in Madden, on the Ravens roster he is classified as a DT along with Gregg, he'll just play left side DT, Gregg plays Nose Tackle, and Pryce plays ride side. Check the Ravens depth chart here on their website: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Team/Default.aspx?id=278

Besides we wouldn't need a second NT he'd just take up alot of cap room and we've got a good back up in Bannan to give Gregg a breather when he needs one.

[#1RavenFan]

are we keeping Terrell suggs next season???? he is still on the depth chart

[CARavensFan]

I haven't heard anything other than that they want to keep Suggs on the team for obvious reasons since he's a definitely talent on the team and only 25. But there's been no news of their progress of signing him to a long term deal yet. We'll just haev to wait and see once the new staff gets together and makes their decisions on personel; as was said in several news conferences the staff is the first step then making up the team comes next.

[devin]

i think we should get donvan mcnab

it will be easy for john harboaugh to coach someone hes familer wit

[neepo13]

What about Ngata? He's going to develop into a dominating force just like Haynesworth and he'll cost less money.

But on Madden Ngata is playing DE.

[neepo13]

i think we should get donvan mcnab

it will be easy for john harboaugh to coach someone hes familer wit

No, No,No. Why do you want to mortage the future of this team to bring in an injury prone on his last leg 30 year old QB? This is mad, do you know how many players we will have to cut to bring in McNabb? So many that we would have to go ahead and rebuild the team from the bottom up. In my opinion, only an idiot would build a team around a guy who will get worse, not better, as time goes on.

[CARavensFan]

But on Madden Ngata is playing DE.

As much as I enjoy playing Madden it is no where near the authority on the positions of the players that stays with the team they REALLY are playing for. On the RAVENS Website they play with 3 DT the Left, Nose, and Right with the starting 3 being Pryce, Gregg, and Ngata while you COULD make the arguement thatvmakes him a DE he's really a DT that can switch to DE with the unigue speed and agility he has as a big guy and when Gregg retires eventually he'll take over the middle of the DL position and continue the Raven's defensive tradition of stuffing RB when they try to run through the middle of our defensive front.

[neepo13]

As much as I enjoy playing Madden it is no where near the authority on the positions of the players that stays with the team they REALLY are playing for. On the RAVENS Website they play with 3 DT the Left, Nose, and Right with the starting 3 being Pryce, Gregg, and Ngata while you COULD make the arguement thatvmakes him a DE he's really a DT that can switch to DE with the unigue speed and agility he has as a big guy and when Gregg retires eventually he'll take over the middle of the DL position and continue the Raven's defensive tradition of stuffing RB when they try to run through the middle of our defensive front.

I know that. I am responding to the fact that you said Haynesworth was out of the question because we have Ngata. Well on Madden its not out of the question because Ngate plays DE.

[CARavensFan]

Yea in Madden he's not out of the question, that's true. But we're on here about the Ravens team in real life and Haynesworth I don't see as an opinion because of the money he'd want and the depth we already have at the DT postion; ultimately the money we'd spend on him would be better used addressing another area on the team.

[Jshaff]

I think we could use #5 or #7, but i think we should keep suggs he brings a lot of talent, for a young guy. Before the ravens go for anyone else i think suggs should be resigned first.

[neepo13]

Yea in Madden he's not out of the question, that's true. But we're on here about the Ravens team in real life and Haynesworth I don't see as an opinion because of the money he'd want and the depth we already have at the DT postion; ultimately the money we'd spend on him would be better used addressing another area on the team.

Hypothetically, I dont think its out of the question in real life at all. Kelly Gregg is what? 31 or 32. Haynesworth is 25 or 26. It never hurts to get younger. DT is not an immediate need because Gregg probably does have 4 maybe 5 good seasons in him and we do have Ngata, so I dont think it will actually happen. Mainly because I dont think our front office is thinking that far into the future and we just gave Gregg a new deal, season before last. But its not so far out of the question that you can just dismiss it entirely. Haynesworth is younger and better then Gregg. Its not an outragoues move. One more thing, hypothetically, if they bought in Haynesworth they could cut or trade Gregg and at this point the deals would be finiacially equal, so they would have the cap issue. The only cap issue they would have is finding money to resign Suggs and bring in our rookes, which they have anyway. By the time Haynesworth cap number reaches untold amounts of money, Ogden, Lewis and McNair will be retired. Thats almost 30 million is cap space right there. Just some food for thought.

[MKdave]

Haynesworth is younger and better then Gregg.

Younger? Obviously

Better? I'm not so sure.

He definitely put up better stats than gregg, but that's probably because he is used to penetrate more than gregg.

gregg is used more to clog blockers than penetrate and get stuffs, sacks etc .Haynesworth does alot more of the latter than gregg.

Haynesworth is probably told to penetrate because his linebackers aren't particularly mobile, so it's quicker for haynesworth to just blow by the center or guard and collapse the pocket that way, than it is for a backer to go all the way around the outside and then back into the pocket.

whereas for us, our linebackers that are generally availible to blitz (IE not Ray Lewis) are quick enough to get into the backfield quicker than a D/NT could up the middle. So it's beneficial to the team for gregg to just hold up as many of the interior lineman as possible.