NFL Rule Changes

[Ngata92NT]

Source:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/19/AR2010021902973.html?referrer=emailarticle

Key Quotations:

"Leaders of the NFL and the players' union are studying the possibilities of curtailing teams' offseason practices and placing restrictions on the amount of hitting allowed between players during training camp and the regular season, officials said."

"Other possible rules changes include a ban on helmet-to-helmet hits on all ball carriers, in addition to the existing bans on such hits on quarterbacks and receivers; roster exemptions for players recovering from concussions; and the elimination of the three-point stance used by players at the line of scrimmage."

"Mayer said he thinks significant rule changes could be made in time for next season. 'I think all of them, except for the three-point stance, could be implemented right away,' Mayer said."

What do you guys think? I think its ludicrous and damages the integrity of the game. I agree with this quote later in the article:

"There is no singular magic bullet that's going to make the game safer," said George Atallah, the union's assistant executive director of external affairs. "There needs to be better rules, better equipment, better training, better coaching, better independent medical treatment. All of that needs to be taken together."

However, these rule changes aren't necessary, better medical treatment, training and safety equipment are the key. I also agree with roster exemptions for players recovering from concussions. Further changes severely restrict the defensive players, which I think is the underlying conspiracy here, trying to turn our beloved game into a ratings **** (even more than right now).

So yes or no to the proposed rule changes?

[Eso]

I strongly disagree with more rule changes, they support offensive powerhouses such as the colts and hurt teams like the ravens who play stellar on defense. I don't really understand how the 3 point stance rule would lessen injuries, anyone wanna help me out with that?

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='Eso' date='20 February 2010 - 04:00 PM' timestamp='1266699650' post='362888']
I strongly disagree with more rule changes, they support offensive powerhouses such as the colts and hurt teams like the ravens who play stellar on defense. I don't really understand how the 3 point stance rule would lessen injuries, anyone wanna help me out with that?
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The 3-point stance apparently helps the defense to explode off the line, taking it away supposedly should decrease the speed of collision. Of course this hurts the defensive side of the game, but no one ****** cares.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='20 February 2010 - 03:10 PM' timestamp='1266696611' post='362860']
Source:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/19/AR2010021902973.html?referrer=emailarticle

Key Quotations:

"Leaders of the NFL and the players' union are studying the possibilities of curtailing teams' offseason practices and placing restrictions on the amount of hitting allowed between players during training camp and the regular season, officials said."

[b]"Other possible rules changes include a ban on helmet-to-helmet hits on all ball carriers, in addition to the existing bans on such hits on quarterbacks and receivers;[/b] roster exemptions for players recovering from concussions; and the elimination of the three-point stance used by players at the line of scrimmage."

"Mayer said he thinks significant rule changes could be made in time for next season. 'I think all of them, except for the three-point stance, could be implemented right away,' Mayer said."

What do you guys think? I think its ludicrous and damages the integrity of the game. I agree with this quote later in the article:

"There is no singular magic bullet that's going to make the game safer," said George Atallah, the union's assistant executive director of external affairs. "There needs to be better rules, better equipment, better training, better coaching, better independent medical treatment. All of that needs to be taken together."

However, these rule changes aren't necessary, better medical treatment, training and safety equipment are the key. I also agree with roster exemptions for players recovering from concussions. Further changes severely restrict the defensive players, which I think is the underlying conspiracy here, trying to turn our beloved game into a ratings **** (even more than right now).

So yes or no to the proposed rule changes?
[/quote]
This is the problem I see with making a penalty for helmet to helmet with WR/RB is the fact that no one is going to shy away from making the hits and wont cause less helmet to helmet hits...so basically your adding a rule to give teams free first downs...I understand the reason why they would want to put the rule in place but it isnt going to effect how often these hits occur

[GuitarScott]

If they do this, I won't be able to stomach another season of horrible officiating and "brady rules." 3 pt stance?? are you kidding me? How are pop warner coaches going to make good football players if they can't hit each other during practice, bend down before the snap, and go full speed (which MAY end up with a helm to helm)??? Surely if the NFL does it, then their associations that bring them players: NCAA,Pop Warner and such, will have to adapt. There's more contact in basketball than football these days. Ugh and I hate that sport.

[Bltravens]

Keep going Goodell and company, keep going make this sport as close to non contact as possible. HOW THE HELL ARE SUPPOSED TO TACKLE A HB WHO TRIES TO TRUCK YOU THEN!?! You think Ray Lewis is gonna dive at a HB's legs when he comes through the hole with his chin tucked in? You GOT TO BE kidding me. No 3 point stance, goodbye run defenses. I hope this works counter productive to Goodell's sissy league and teams go back to running the football all kinds because every handoff is going to be 5+ yards. If this crap goes through, when Ray retires im done with the NFL.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='20 February 2010 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1266711226' post='362949']
Keep going Goodell and company, keep going make this sport as close to non contact as possible. HOW THE HELL ARE SUPPOSED TO TACKLE A HB WHO TRIES TO TRUCK YOU THEN!?! You think Ray Lewis is gonna dive at a HB's legs when he comes through the hole with his chin tucked in? You GOT TO BE kidding me. No 3 point stance, goodbye run defenses. I hope this works counter productive to Goodell's sissy league and teams go back to running the football all kinds because every handoff is going to be 5+ yards. If this crap goes through, when Ray retires im done with the NFL.
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Well technically, the 3-point stance being outlawed could be counterproductive. Think about it. Instead of going a foot away from them in a 3-point, they could be running full throttle at the offensive line from 5 feet back, which could cause even more injury.

[MagicianCamille]

The NFL is getting more and more offense-friendly and we've got all our chips on the defensive side of the ball.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Chi_Town_Raven' date='20 February 2010 - 06:22 PM' timestamp='1266711739' post='362953']
Well technically, the 3-point stance being outlawed could be counterproductive. Think about it. Instead of going a foot away from them in a 3-point, they could be running full throttle at the offensive line from 5 feet back, which could cause even more injury.
[/quote]
Theyd have to outlaw switching up the snap counts for that to work, if your going to try to run 5 feet just switch the snap count. And if u have nobody on the LOS then its an automatic 4 yard gain on a run. But i do like the idea of turning Goodell's rule changes into a full on cream the carrier destruction of bodies Gladiator status effect lol.

[RavensClaw52]

If this is the case we could clear house on defense and use the money on offense and become the Saints 2.0...but that will never happen.

[McBurks]

The NFL is looking more and more like soccer.....


"Yellow flag for contact!"

[Bltravens]

Maybe Goodell should just make it mandatory that all helmets have to actually be done up on the field or its a penalty. Half these guys dont even do up their chin straps or have the right sized helmet on in the first place.

[Ed_Reed20]

These new rules changes are getting ridiculous. Yes, player safety is a major priority, as is their long-term health but should those issues become so important that you slowly start stripping away the essence of football?

The rules protecting QBs are bad enough. If some of these rules are put into the effect, what type of sport will football become?

[darklight1216]

I'm all for player safety, but there's a point where it's just ridiculous. Football is a dangerous sport; there [i]will[/i] be injuries no matter how many silly rules you make. There will be injuries in games and in practice. That's just how it goes. These flag-for-contact rules are just lowering the quality of the NFL's product.

I wonder if Bill Polian is in any way involved in these rules too.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

They won't be happy until the turn the game into two hand touch, no wait, better make that one hand. Somebody might fall down, go boom!

[JO_75]

This is STUPID! It's a Contact Sport. This part of the story hits it right on the head; "There is no singular magic bullet that's going to make the game safer," said George Atallah, the union's assistant executive director of external affairs. "There needs to be better rules, better equipment, better training, better coaching, better independent medical treatment. All of that needs to be taken together."

We don't need all these rule changes, all we need is something that would prevent players from coming back from injury too soon. The only thing I have liked recently is the amount of games someone has to sit out for a concussion, about we just expand that for all major injuries, and they can't play until they get an ok from the team and league medical staff. Roger I applaud you for getting rid of guys like PacMan but it's a contact sport and let there be defensive football again.... DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! Case In Point... Tracy Porter who is a DEFENSIVE PLAYER sealed the win for the Saints, it wasn't an offensive game... Defense won the Saints the Super Bowl! Roger got a contract extension for this???? Now we have to live with Roger "No Contact" Goodell for another couple years!

[tonyg6996]

Can't believe Goodell got 5 more years

[JEEPercreepermd]

<[i]have a little respect for our Code of Conduct[/i]>

[RedFire]

blitzers will run rampant....it anything it should speed up the game and create bigger hits. unatletic offensive linemen will get exposed! QB's will get lite up!

Bltizing will be at an all time high. Pass rushes will be insane and QB's will be gettin' knocked out. This rule protects the offensive linemen cuz it makes them essentially useless. LB's will run the NFL!

[Chi_Town_Raven]

[quote name='RedFire' date='21 February 2010 - 09:27 AM' timestamp='1266762444' post='363086']
blitzers will run rampant....it anything it should speed up the game and create bigger hits. unatletic offensive linemen will get exposed! QB's will get lite up!

Bltizing will be at an all time high. Pass rushes will be insane and QB's will be gettin' knocked out. This rule protects the offensive linemen cuz it makes them essentially useless. LB's will run the NFL!
[/quote]
That's what I was trying to say. Like, just find 2 "Goose's" to put on the line, and just blitz the hell out of them. Higher speed=Bigger collision

[theFRANCHISE]

Though I'm fine with player safety and any measures taken to protect the guys on the field, there's some things that take it too far. This was discussed in length on here a month or two ago when this issue first came up, but I'm shocked that no one from the NFLPA or any of the owners had any comment immediately after the story first broke.

Instead of harping on technique, why not invest more time and money into researching better equipment? There's likely something that can be done to improve the helmets, for starters.

[XxSizzleXx]

Wow this is getting somewhat ridiculous, if they take out the 3 point stance the QB is going to have so much time in the pocket it is going to be gross. It wont affect the Rush D but it will affect the pass rush far too much.

Teams running the 3-4 would then have the advantage I would say because in a 3-4 you would have your 3 lineman down in the 4 point stance, and then you could have your OLB's in a 2 point stance which would be much more effective than the two ends in a 4-3 using the 4 point stance. Just look at how great of a pass rusher James Harrison and Demarcus Ware create when they don't even put their hand in the ground.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='21 February 2010 - 06:34 PM' timestamp='1266795264' post='363257']
Wow this is getting somewhat ridiculous, if they take out the 3 point stance the QB is going to have so much time in the pocket it is going to be gross. It wont affect the Rush D but it will affect the pass rush far too much.

Teams running the 3-4 would then have the advantage I would say because in a 3-4 you would have your 3 lineman down in the 4 point stance, and then you could have your OLB's in a 2 point stance which would be much more effective than the two ends in a 4-3 using the 4 point stance. Just look at how great of a pass rusher James Harrison and Demarcus Ware create when they don't even put their hand in the ground.
[/quote]

You don't believe it will affect the rush game? From what I understand it would be very bad for the rushing defense, especially in short yardage situations and goal line stands. In addition, I see the new helmet-to-helmet rule making it VERY hard to stop the running game without getting penalized.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='21 February 2010 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1266801863' post='363291']
You don't believe it will affect the rush game? From what I understand it would be very bad for the rushing defense, especially in short yardage situations and goal line stands. In addition, I see the new helmet-to-helmet rule making it VERY hard to stop the running game without getting penalized.
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Yea it would still affect the run game but like you said mostly only in short yard situations and goal line stands. I agree it would still affect the run D but not nearly as much as the pass rush.