[Forbes] Worst Place To Live In The United States - Cleveland

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

Forbes has released a List of the most Miserable Cities to live in in the United states. Cleveland Ohio is Number 1. The funny thing is , Canton Ohio is number 9, Akron Ohio is Number 12, And Toledo Ohio at Number 15. At the bottom of the list is Philadelphia.

[quote]Our Misery Measure takes into account unemployment, taxes (both sales and income), commute times, violent crime and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. We also factored in two indexes put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that gauge weather and Superfund pollution sites. Lastly we considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each area as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice.

We expanded the list of cities under consideration this year to include the 200 largest metro areas (in years past we've examined 150) which led to a shuffling in the ranks. Any area with a population of more than 245,000 was eligible.[/quote]

http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/americas-most-miserable-cities-business-beltway-miserable-cities_slide.html

[JonM229]

So apparently Ohio blows.

Thanks for the update Captain Obvious

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

[quote name='JonM229' date='20 February 2010 - 01:54 AM' timestamp='1266648887' post='362725']
So apparently Ohio blows.

Thanks for the update Captain Obvious
[/quote]


sure thing Jon !

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

There's something goin' on there. There is a Baltimore, and two, yes two, New Baltimores in Ohio. Insert your own jokes below, the one I have in mind is at best R-rated!

[theFRANCHISE]

I [i]knew[/i] there was a reason why I don't get along with my Ohio relatives...

[darklight1216]

They grade cities based on how well it's pro-teams have performed? I'm glad they have their priorities in check.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='20 February 2010 - 10:24 PM' timestamp='1266722699' post='363001']
They grade cities based on how well it's pro-teams have performed? I'm glad they have their priorities in check.
[/quote]

It's kind of a logical graded area though, if you think about it


1) People have no interest in investing their hard earned money into merchandise and expensive tickets from a losing team

2) because of #1, the economy starts to suck.... leading to people (especially locally) being fired... especially now that the tax payers just paid for a stadium easily reaching the 9 digits

3) You have less fans from around the country wanting to fly out that way... thus hurting hotels and restraunts among other things

[Bltravens]

We went to Ohio alot in the New York-Penn league 2 summers ago and I can honestly say non NYC New York and Ohio might be some of the grossest places around.

[XxSizzleXx]

When I went down to visit my family down east for christmas I visited a friend first in Toronto and met this girl from Cleveland and she was telling me how down the city is. She was saying that you could buy houses for around 10 grand.

[George70]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='21 February 2010 - 04:15 AM' timestamp='1266743753' post='363061']
When I went down to visit my family down east for christmas I visited a friend first in Toronto and met this girl from Cleveland and she was telling me how down the city is. She was saying that you could buy houses for around 10 grand.
[/quote]

If you can buy a house in a depressed area for around ten grand, then things are pretty bad.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

All joking aside, I'd like to know what purpose a poll of this nature serves? Telling everybody how bad a city is doesn't exactly help that city attract new residents, businesses, etc... That's like saying if you're thinking of moving your company, forget this place. Maybe the good people at Forbes should donate the money they waste on there purposeless poll to some community reinvestment groups or a charity in the areas they call out. Personally, I vote for where ever they live, with friends like that...! [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img]

[Alexir]

Ohio might just implode when Lebron James leaves them after this season lol

[K-Dog]

My sister lives in Cloumbus. Been there many, many times. Pretty decent city I think.

[thewarden86]

They listed Chicago, NYC and Miami. I stopped looking at the BS list after that.

[H8R]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='20 February 2010 - 10:24 PM' timestamp='1266722699' post='363001']
They grade cities based on how well it's pro-teams have performed? I'm glad they have their priorities in check.
[/quote]

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='21 February 2010 - 01:20 AM' timestamp='1266733255' post='363040']
It's kind of a logical graded area though, if you think about it


1) People have no interest in investing their hard earned money into merchandise and expensive tickets from a losing team

2) because of #1, the economy starts to suck.... leading to people (especially locally) being fired... especially now that the tax payers just paid for a stadium easily reaching the 9 digits

3) You have less fans from around the country wanting to fly out that way... thus hurting hotels and restraunts among other things
[/quote]
Yeah okay. So this is a nice neighborhood- the crime rate is low, the schools/colleges are excellent, there are good job opportunities, and the taxes aren't quite back-breaking, but the local soccer team is doing badly so I guess I'll be miserable if I move there? Come on, son.

If a pro-team is doing badly, you'll be able to spend less money on the tickets (I got Nats tickets for $15) and the sports memorabilia will often be cheaper too (according to the workers at Dick's).

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='22 February 2010 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1266879464' post='363717']
Yeah okay. So this is a nice neighborhood- the crime rate is low, the schools/colleges are excellent, there are good job opportunities, and the taxes aren't quite back-breaking, but the local soccer team is doing badly so I guess I'll be miserable if I move there? Come on, son.

If a pro-team is doing badly, you'll be able to spend less money on the tickets (I got Nats tickets for $15) and the sports memorabilia will often be cheaper too (according to the workers at Dick's).
[/quote]

kind of meant it towards a trickle down effect... I guess... not that it should be the sole reason if a place is a bad place to live

[Nobi]

Well where is Baltimore? I guess we were too miserable to mention.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='23 February 2010 - 12:46 AM' timestamp='1266903971' post='363907']
kind of meant it towards a trickle down effect... I guess... [b]not that it should be the sole reason if a place is a bad place to live[/b]
[/quote]
That's why I had to point that one out.

"Our Misery Measure takes into account unemployment, taxes (both sales and income), commute times, violent crime and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past two years."

Most of the things they are looking at could cause you to move somewhere else. You're probably not going to move to a city that has a 15% unemployment rate; most people don't want to dodge bullets everytime they leave the house; really long commutes force you to spend even more money on gas, and then they throw in a sports team's performance.

One of these things is not like the others.

[H8R]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='22 February 2010 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1266879464' post='363717']
Yeah okay. So this is a nice neighborhood- the crime rate is low, the schools/colleges are excellent, there are good job opportunities, and the taxes aren't quite back-breaking, but the local soccer team is doing badly so I guess I'll be miserable if I move there? Come on, son.

If a pro-team is doing badly, you'll be able to spend less money on the tickets (I got Nats tickets for $15) and the sports memorabilia will often be cheaper too (according to the workers at Dick's).
[/quote]

It's simple, the moral of a city IS boosted when they have a suucesful pro franchise. How does this not make sense to you? It's a percentage deal, so each measureable holds weight in the study. It's not just going off of one catagory.Think about it this way, if a city has EVERYTHING you mentioned + a good sports team, it would surley be an overall happier place. Not to mention the effects inwhich it would have on the economy. I guess you wouldn't understand since you live in Virginia......