Chargers Exploring Trade For Cromartie

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[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='17 February 2010 - 02:48 PM' timestamp='1266436080' post='361207']
I was by no means comparing Cromartie to Primetime, just pointing out that Deion is another DB who wanted nothing to do with contact... if Cromartie came here, you best believe Ray Lewis and Co. wouldn't let that slide.
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They do call him "Crimetime."

[quote name='J-man' date='17 February 2010 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1266440106' post='361279']
I personally don't like Cromartie because his lack of aggressiveness. Yea he's tall and is fast, but he just lacks that football mentality IMO. He just seems to give up on plays, and the fact that the Chargers are willing to trade him is saying something.
And I'm not to big on getting rid of McGahee. Yes, his workload and production has decreased because of Rice's emergence, but McGahee is a great compliment. For example, we used McGahee for the Raiders game, and he produced big, while Rice was resting on the sidelines for his breakout in New England. Let's also not forget who led the team in TD's this year, both rushing and receiving.
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The issue with McGahee is that he's set to make 3.6 million dollars next year. That's alot for a back-up, and it's especially alot when you consider the fact that running back isn't the most difficult position to draft in general and for the Ravens in particular. Another thing to consider is that this may be the only time that the Ravens are in a position like this. He'll be way too close to thirty next offseason (maybe he will be thirty) and what are the chances that he will have those impressive stats again? Not very good, in my opinion. We have much bigger needs than running backs, so I'm not opposed to trading away a back-up if the price is right.

I'm not a big fan of Cromartie though. He's alot like Fabian Washington was last year, just taller, and the fact that his team wants to dump a young, starter at a coveted position that they drafted in the first round speaks volumes. With a torn ACL in 2005 and a broken hip in 2008, we [i]might[/i] be looking at an injury risk too.

When all is said and done, Cro has only had one really good year. Now maybe you think that he had legimate excuses, or maybe you [s]are a Mark Clayton believer[/s] think that four years isn't enough to judge him by, but he's still only had one good year. Now add all that to the fact that everyone knows he is a complete failure in run support and hasn't shown his former ability in pass defense either.

[Wacko4Zacko]

I'd rather trade McGahee for Cason. I think Cason is a good CB.

[sliceanddic3]

Trade him for Willis, then go get Marshall, then draft Alexander from mizzou. My off season wishlist is complete!

[charchboii]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='17 February 2010 - 10:26 AM' timestamp='1266416809' post='360921']
I'd go for it. I like McGahee, but his trade value may not be any higher, as pointed out earlier. I'll take depth in the secondary over depth at the RB position since RBs are a dime-a-dozen. There'll be plenty of good RBs in the draft and on the market at a great value. On the flip side, there won't be as many halfway-decent cornerbacks available.
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the cornerback class is the strongest class and strecches out to the 3 rd round

[charchboii]

cromartie bites on double moves and when a corner always bites on double moves it shows you how good he is in coverage

[JoeFlax]

After watching his play in the Charger vs Jets game I don't want him anywhere near our Ravens

[DuDe]

id rather have a 6'1 cb than a 5'10 cb
cromartie is way better than carr, washington, and walker and maybe foxworth when they use him right
hes not physical but he has the speed and size to match up well to recievers
i think webb is a special player that will eventually be a lockdown cb
i could care less if he isnt physical and doesnt tackle ... washington and foxworth are terrible tacklers also

[Bltravens]

[quote name='DuDe' date='17 February 2010 - 09:32 PM' timestamp='1266463951' post='361572']
id rather have a 6'1 cb than a 5'10 cb
cromartie is way better than carr, washington, and walker and maybe foxworth when they use him right
hes not physical but he has the speed and size to match up well to recievers
i think webb is a special player that will eventually be a lockdown cb
i could care less if he isnt physical and doesnt tackle ... washington and foxworth are terrible tacklers also
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who cares if both the 6'1 and 5'10 are sub par in coverage. Height wont mean jack if hes getting beat.

[63bru]

Height does matter, because we can't really match up with the tall receivers of the NFL, but I'd rather not see Cromartie over here. I think we can get a better corner in the draft and keep/trade McGahee for something else. I'd also rather sign Bodden than trade for Cromartie. So there's two options right there that are better than trading for Cromartie.

[DuDe]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='17 February 2010 - 10:39 PM' timestamp='1266464341' post='361578']
who cares if both the 6'1 and 5'10 are sub par in coverage. Height wont mean jack if hes getting beat.
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do you recall the chargers game? we got beat every play and they just threw jump balls to reciver and we have 5'10 cbs
cromartie is like reed when its a jump ball and he has the same return skills without pitching it and is faster

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='DuDe' date='17 February 2010 - 10:55 PM' timestamp='1266465335' post='361593']
do you recall the chargers game? we got beat every play and they just threw jump balls to reciver and we have 5'10 cbs
cromartie is like reed when its a jump ball and he has the same return skills without pitching it and is faster
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A CB doesn't see a jump-ball every down.

Cromartie is a superb athlete but isn't a great football player.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='DuDe' date='17 February 2010 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1266465335' post='361593']
do you recall the chargers game? we got beat every play and they just threw jump balls to reciver and we have 5'10 cbs
cromartie is like reed when its a jump ball and he has the same return skills without pitching it and is faster
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The chargers game was 1 game, the chargers led the league in pass plays of over 30 yards they did it to everybody not just us. Besides 2007 when he was legit, he has 5 INTs in 2 years. Foxworth had 4 this year alone. Cromartie is a pretty decent corner yes, but hes not the shutdown guy everyone is making him out to be.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='63bru' date='17 February 2010 - 09:54 PM' timestamp='1266465269' post='361592']
Height does matter, because we can't really match up with the tall receivers of the NFL, but I'd rather not see Cromartie over here. I think we can get a better corner in the draft and keep/trade McGahee for something else. I'd also rather sign Bodden than trade for Cromartie. So there's two options right there that are better than trading for Cromartie.
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In 2 games Foxworth gave up what 90 yards (?) to Randy Moss and 1 TD on an all out blitz. Pretty sure Moss is 6'4. Its the physical WRs we have a tough time with, strictly height is not a problem.

[DuDe]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='17 February 2010 - 11:07 PM' timestamp='1266466034' post='361599']
In 2 games Foxworth gave up what 90 yards (?) to Randy Moss and 1 TD on an all out blitz. Pretty sure Moss is 6'4. Its the physical WRs we have a tough time with, strictly height is not a problem.
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i didnt mean to one up but watev
the shadowed reed over him the whole game so he could not go deep and wes welker was hurt

[Bltravens]

[quote name='DuDe' date='17 February 2010 - 10:42 PM' timestamp='1266468175' post='361618']
i didnt mean to one up but watev
the shadowed reed over him the whole game so he could not go deep and wes welker was hurt
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The first game was the same thing and they had Welker, you saying Cromartie never has help over the top? Cromartie isnt as good as your making him out to be.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Antonio Cromartie was actually picked as a Pro Bowl alternate. That's having to compete with this year's terrific performances of Darrelle Revis, Nnamdi Asomugha, Champ Bailey, Johnathan Joseph and Leon Hall. Where in the world people get the idea he was getting beat this Season is beyond me. One bad play against the Jets and he's no longer a viable option? Injuries were a key reason behind last year's drop off. But he has yet to miss a game in his career, and provides a combination of size and speed that is a definite scarcity in the NFL among DBs. Chargers were 11th in Pass Defense, and that's with an inconsistent Pass Rush, due to the absence of Jamal Williams and lackluster performance of Shawn Merriman. We'd be giving up a back up for a starter, and what, maybe a 4+ pick? Then we can focus on either TE in the 1st round and WR in the 2nd, or another combination. I'm all for it.

[Bltravens]

Ya but the Chargers arent going to trade Cromartie for McGahee, your going to trade a 25 year old corner who has the potential to be a top corner in the league for a 28 year old HB with about 5 knee surgeries?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='18 February 2010 - 12:31 AM' timestamp='1266471098' post='361635']
Ya but the Chargers arent going to trade Cromartie for McGahee, your going to trade a 25 year old corner who has the potential to be a top corner in the league for a 28 year old HB with about 5 knee surgeries?
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A 3 year age difference doesn't seem too drastic and Cromartie has been dealing with injuries himself. Considering the limitations of the Final 4, and McGahee's performance against them in Week 2 (89 Yards/2 TDs), I would say they'd at least give it some thought, especially if we throw in a draft pick. Besides, after spending 2 Seasons in a limited role, McGahee's knees should be in better shape.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' date='17 February 2010 - 11:41 PM' timestamp='1266471667' post='361643']
A 3 year age difference doesn't seem too drastic and Cromartie has been dealing with injuries himself. Considering the limitations of the Final 4, and McGahee's performance against them in Week 2 (89 Yards/2 TDs), I would say they'd at least give it some thought, especially if we throw in a draft pick. Besides, after spending 2 Seasons in a limited role, McGahee's knees should be in better shape.
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He had scope surgery done this last off season. HBs ages are more extreme than corners in terms of career length, once a HB gets to 30 hes done in this league.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='18 February 2010 - 12:44 AM' timestamp='1266471885' post='361647']
He had scope surgery done this last off season. HBs ages are more extreme than corners in terms of career length, once a HB gets to 30 hes done in this league.
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I've had arthroscopy on both of my knees. Your knees feel rejuvenated afterwards, since they clean out whatever doesn't belong there. It's a minor procedure, which takes about 3 to 4 weeks to recover from. Considering that DBs spend the majority of their time running, they aren't exactly known to play well past their 30s. Take Terrence Newman, Champ Bailey and Antoine Winfield, for example. Each of their teams has drafted a CB in the first 3 rounds either last year or the year before, figuring that it was a pressing need. Neither of these CBs is older than 32. And since they are wishing to trade Cromartie, and not look for a RB in the draft, there aren't too many options out there. I've heard rumors that Carolina is willing to trade DeAngelo Williams, but they could receive a better deal. The Bills were 2nd in Pass Defense, so trading Lynch also wouldn't make much sense, considering they need help at OT and QB. I do however feel as if I'm missing another option they have available. But if not, then it seems like a decent offer.

[Elmo]

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' date='18 February 2010 - 06:59 AM' timestamp='1266472799' post='361652']
I've had arthroscopy on both of my knees. Your knees feel rejuvenated afterwards, since they clean out whatever doesn't belong there. It's a minor procedure, which takes about 3 to 4 weeks to recover from. Considering that DBs spend the majority of their time running, they aren't exactly known to play well past their 30s. Take Terrence Newman, Champ Bailey and Antoine Winfield, for example. Each of their teams has drafted a CB in the first 3 rounds either last year or the year before, figuring that it was a pressing need. Neither of these CBs is older than 32. And since they are wishing to trade Cromartie, and not look for a RB in the draft, there aren't too many options out there. I've heard rumors that Carolina is willing to trade DeAngelo Williams, but they could receive a better deal. The Bills were 2nd in Pass Defense, so trading Lynch also wouldn't make much sense, considering they need help at OT and QB. I do however feel as if I'm missing another option they have available. But if not, then it seems like a decent offer.
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Here's one option:

Th 49'ers should trade Gore for Cro and 1 or 2 picks (or Merriman?)....

Gore's value will never get higher, with Alex Smith behind center (probably operating that spread offense)

After that trade, they should throw a third rounder our way for McGahee, and they'd be set, with their 2 picks in the first round strengthening the trenches. (lol, didn't think I'd ever say "they'll be set" about the 49'ers)

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='Elmo' date='18 February 2010 - 03:14 AM' timestamp='1266480877' post='361679']
Here's one option:

Th 49'ers should trade Gore for Cro and 1 or 2 picks (or Merriman?)....

Gore's value will never get higher, with Alex Smith behind center (probably operating that spread offense)

After that trade, they should throw a third rounder our way for McGahee, and they'd be set, with their 2 picks in the first round strengthening the trenches. (lol, didn't think I'd ever say "they'll be set" about the 49'ers)
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Trading Gore wouldn't make sense. He's been their only consistent Offensive weapon, and the 49ers hold 2 1st round picks in the Top 16. They can just select Joe Haden, if available, or another top flight CB, and still cater to another position a few picks later.

[Tonymontana45]

K, I'm ending my topic- this was on twitter
JasonLaCanfora

Ravens committed to retaining RB Willis McGahee despite his $3.6M salary and complimentary role. Team loves Ray Rice/McGahee tandem.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' date='18 February 2010 - 12:59 AM' timestamp='1266472799' post='361652']
I've had arthroscopy on both of my knees. Your knees feel rejuvenated afterwards, since they clean out whatever doesn't belong there. It's a minor procedure, which takes about 3 to 4 weeks to recover from.

The Bills were 2nd in Pass Defense, so trading Lynch also wouldn't make much sense...
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Undergoing arthroscopic surgery, healing and living a normal life is one thing. Coming off the surgery and playing pro football is completely different. There is a ton of wear on McGahee's legs and he's liable to break down at any given time.

The Bills' pass D was highly ranked last year but Terence McGee is getting older and besides Leodis McKelvin, what good CBs do they have? On the other side, Lynch would give SD an capable every-down RB. The trade makes perfect sense.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='18 February 2010 - 12:05 PM' timestamp='1266512758' post='361795']
Undergoing arthroscopic surgery, healing and living a normal life is one thing. Coming off the surgery and playing pro football is completely different. There is a ton of wear on McGahee's legs and he's liable to break down at any given time.

The Bills' pass D was highly ranked last year but Terence McGee is getting older and besides Leodis McKelvin, what good CBs do they have? On the other side, Lynch would give SD an capable every-down RB. The trade makes perfect sense.
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Actually, I returned to playing 2 collegiate contact sports, and another with a local team, so it wasn't much different. McGee is 29 years old, so he's not exactly over the hill, but I still feel that they could find another team to fit their needs. They ranked 30th in Rush Defense, so obtaining a CB who's somewhat liable against the run wouldn't seem like the best move. But I guess this topic is over, considering the new report.

[soya]

I hope Ozzy pulls the trigger, or the Chargers agree to the trade, whichever one the problem is (maybe both). Then again it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't because even though everyone says we will get a WR in the draft with the #1, I believe that the chances of that happening are slim to none. Ozzy will take the best player available, and chances are, once Bryant is gone the recievers on the list will be behind some DEs and CBs and we will pick up a reciever in the 2nd or 3rd. This isn't a very far-fetched idea since most people know recievers are among the hardest players to draft and alot of #1 round picks either completely bust or preform but not up to their dollar amount. Anywho, if we don't pick up Cromartie I strongly believe we will get a CB with the #1 pick. With Webb and Washington possibly out to start the season we are in great need of a skilled CB. I really hope we pick up Cromartie but you never know with Ozzie.

[ZIBBY28]

I wonder what it would take for a deal packaging Floyd w/ Cromartie... give up our first and you kill two birds with one stone.

[soya]

[quote name='Elmo' date='18 February 2010 - 03:14 AM' timestamp='1266480877' post='361679']
Here's one option:

Th 49'ers should trade Gore for Cro and 1 or 2 picks (or Merriman?)....

Gore's value will never get higher, with Alex Smith behind center (probably operating that spread offense)

After that trade, they should throw a third rounder our way for McGahee, and they'd be set, with their 2 picks in the first round strengthening the trenches. (lol, didn't think I'd ever say "they'll be set" about the 49'ers)
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That would be a terrible move. Robinson is slow and Glen Coffee isn't ready to take the load. Besides, he is a premeir back and has had multiple consecutive 1k yard seasons despite being injured through all of them. Not to mention he was in the top of the league behind C.Johnson and R.Rice in average yards per carry. And with your draft pick theory, they already have Carolina's #1 pick as well as their own. Although I hope Alex Smith developes, and think he will, he isn't fit to handle a completely west cost offense. He needs an anchor toom fall back on when things look tough. In about 2 seasons though I see them being a dominant team in the NFC. (That might be a little biased as I am a Ravens fan first and a 49ers fan second) but I think they are on their way. In this draft they pick up a good saftey and CB in the first round. Maybe even a big young OL to fill up the RT spot. Im thinking Okung maybe, or the guy from MD (IDR his name) depending on who is available. Either way, they will lead their division for the next few years and I look forward to seeing a 49ers Ravens SBXLVI.

[XxSizzleXx]

So it looks like we will keep our tandem of Mcgahee and Rice, where do you guys think Cromartie will land because he is on his way out. I could possiibly see them dealing with the Vikings and Cowboys.

[Wacko4Zacko]

Im sorry, but I rather trade for Antoine cason ro w/e his name is. Kid is or has the potential to be a great CB.