Chargers Exploring Trade For Cromartie

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hhlowlow' date='17 February 2010 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1266425192' post='360977']
Antonio Cromartie has 64 tackles last year for teh Chargers..which is fantastic for corners..and Ed_Reed20 says he's had horrible years ahahha
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The less tackles a CB has usually tells you how good he is in coverage. Yes, certain CBs are more active in run support but as any SD fan will tell you, Cromartie wants nothing to do with tackling RBs. So that means the majority of Cromartie's tackles came after giving up the catch.

I'm not the one saying he's had horrible years. Anyone who has followed him close enough will tell you the same.

Instead of laughing at me, how about informing yourself with facts. Yes he was injured, but I watched Brandon Marshall abuse Cromartie for the majority of his 18 catches in a game in '08. This year, I saw Cromartie whiff numerous tackles and get abused in coverage even more though he was healthy.

[darklight1216]

Cro's greatest hits.

http://cgysdw1.blogspot.com/2010/01/antonio-cromartie-cant-do-it-by-himself.html
This one is my personal favorite.

[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2ngqzbn.gif[/img]

[MKdave]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='17 February 2010 - 05:02 PM' timestamp='1266426125' post='360990']
Cro's greatest hits.

[url="http://cgysdw1.blogspot.com/2010/01/antonio-cromartie-cant-do-it-by-himself.html"]http://cgysdw1.blogs...by-himself.html[/url]
This one is my personal favorite.

[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2ngqzbn.gif[/img]
[/quote]

Yeah but the guy on the other side ended up doing something pretty similar. He was probably instructed to make sure it doesn't go outside.

[Bullrush]

Would be awesome if we could pick him up.

[Twoo]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='17 February 2010 - 12:02 PM' timestamp='1266426125' post='360990']
Cro's greatest hits.

http://cgysdw1.blogspot.com/2010/01/antonio-cromartie-cant-do-it-by-himself.html
This one is my personal favorite.

[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2ngqzbn.gif[/img]
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[b]That's done on purpose[/b].... Cromartie was suppose to stay back incase of the unlikely event the player breaks through. We do the same thing on 4th down plays.

Same thing when a team kicks a field goal and a player stands under the upright incase it's short he can catch the ball and return it.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='MKdave' date='17 February 2010 - 12:08 PM' timestamp='1266426492' post='360998']
Yeah but the guy on the other side ended up doing something pretty similar. He was probably instructed to make sure it doesn't go outside.
[/quote]

No he didn't. Weddle(I think that was him) tried to go around and make a tackle. Instead of sticking his nose in the pile when the action was obviously coming his way, Cromartie just danced.

I'm not saying this is the reason not to trade for him but not only does he like to shy away from contact but he gives up huge plays in the passing game.

[Alexir]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='17 February 2010 - 12:02 PM' timestamp='1266426125' post='360990']
Cro's greatest hits.

[url="http://cgysdw1.blogspot.com/2010/01/antonio-cromartie-cant-do-it-by-himself.html"]http://cgysdw1.blogs...by-himself.html[/url]
This one is my personal favorite.

[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2ngqzbn.gif[/img]
[/quote]

Well iv'e seen Foxworth and Fabian do this all last year. Only difference is Cromartie can defend the pass better than both of them. Why do we need a CB to play run with the Ngata wall up front and Ray Lewis. They rarely let people blow past them.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='17 February 2010 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1266426926' post='361007']
No he didn't. Weddle(I think that was him) tried to go around and make a tackle. Instead of sticking his nose in the pile when the action was obviously coming his way, Cromartie just danced.

I'm not saying this is the reason not to trade for him but not only does he like to shy away from contact but he gives up huge plays in the passing game.
[/quote]

But at first he takes a step outside, then when he sees it going right he runs in, and then once he sees it go over to the right he runs in. Plus Eric Weddle (if it was him) is a safety. That's his job. And there was no tight end on that side like there was on Cro's side, so it was easier for him to get into the backfield.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='MKdave' date='17 February 2010 - 12:45 PM' timestamp='1266428714' post='361053']
But at first he takes a step outside, then when he sees it going right he runs in, and then once he sees it go over to the right he runs in. Plus Eric Weddle (if it was him) is a safety. That's his job. And there was no tight end on that side like there was on Cro's side, so it was easier for him to get into the backfield.
[/quote]

We can analyze this play all day. The fact is, he shied away from contact on Greene's game-winning run earlier in the game and has done it his entire career.

And really, all of this is moot in my opinion anyway. McGahee has a lot of wear and there are better, younger RBs on other teams that the Chargers will likely pursue.

[Guest jlaw48]

This would be an excellent trade for us! We dont need a run support corner, we need him to be a nickel! He's fast enough to cover the short quick slants that Chris Carr couldnt!! Those damn slants DEMOLISHED us last year!

Imagine Foxworth, Fabian, Cromartie, and Carr!! THen we have Webb when he is ready to return. We draft a pass rusher and have Tarvares,Ayanbedejo and Ellerbe back! with a healthy Ed Reed and Kruger sittin on the bench!! WHOOOOOSH!

Heres the kicker, the chargers are letting LT go cause of cap reasons and his age! Which is the same two reasons we are getting rid of Mcgahee for! SO I dont think they would be to reluctant to take Mcgahee! So although it would be a great trade for us I dont think it wil happen!!

[Va BeaCh RaVeN]

I really feel we could get similar or more production out of Bodden.

[H8R]

[quote name='Va BeaCh RaVeN' date='17 February 2010 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1266429919' post='361085']
I really feel we could get similar or more production out of Bodden.
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I agree with this not to mention we deal with the PATS a good bit and harbs deals well with BB.

[Jamal]

I think I'd go for it. I don't like him as the #1 or #2, but he would be a really good #3, and it would add much needed depth at the CB position.

This would also help us focus on pass rushers, and receivers in the draft.

[slugz1]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='17 February 2010 - 04:51 AM' timestamp='1266400264' post='360889']
I was wondering about this in another thread and still want to know how much it would take to get this guy. I'm not worried about him in run support because look at what we have done to Webb and Foxworth. I would be all for this as long as the price isn't too steep.
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we did nothing to webb but maybe foxworth to help the run webb is a converted safety so he should know how to takle.

[hhlowlow]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='17 February 2010 - 10:52 AM' timestamp='1266425536' post='360983']
The less tackles a CB has usually tells you how good he is in coverage. Yes, certain CBs are more active in run support but as any SD fan will tell you, Cromartie wants nothing to do with tackling RBs. So that means the majority of Cromartie's tackles came after giving up the catch.

I'm not the one saying he's had horrible years. Anyone who has followed him close enough will tell you the same.

Instead of laughing at me, how about informing yourself with facts. Yes he was injured, but I watched Brandon Marshall abuse Cromartie for the majority of his 18 catches in a game in '08. This year, I saw Cromartie whiff numerous tackles and get abused in coverage even more though he was healthy.
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oh im sorry, I thought saying 64 tackles was giving a fact..maybe im wrong

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='17 February 2010 - 01:01 PM' timestamp='1266429661' post='361081']
We can analyze this play all day. The fact is, he shied away from contact on Greene's game-winning run earlier in the game and has done it his entire career.

And really, all of this is moot in my opinion anyway. McGahee has a lot of wear and there are better, younger RBs on other teams that the Chargers will likely pursue.
[/quote]

Hello? Deion Sanders anyone?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hhlowlow' date='17 February 2010 - 02:10 PM' timestamp='1266433838' post='361158']
oh im sorry, I thought saying 64 tackles was giving a fact..maybe im wrong
[/quote]

Rather than argue your point, your just nitpicking.

Does the fact that Cromartie had 64 tackles make him a good CB? Why do you think SD wants to get rid of him? And why do you think they'll trade him away for an aging RB with a long injury history when they can get someone like Lynch or Choice?

Answer those questions.


[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='17 February 2010 - 02:12 PM' timestamp='1266433948' post='361162']
Hello? Deion Sanders anyone?
[/quote]

When a CB covers the way Deion did, you don't need to tackle. Regardless with the league becoming so pass-happy, CB have to be able to cover and tackle more than ever. Cromartie does neither very well.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Va BeaCh RaVeN' date='17 February 2010 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1266429919' post='361085']
I really feel we could get similar or more production out of Bodden.
[/quote]
Thats a great point now that you've mentioned it. I'd definitely take him over cro, but I don't see the Pats letting him go, since he was one of the few player who was really good for their defense.

[hhlowlow]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='17 February 2010 - 01:35 PM' timestamp='1266435343' post='361185']
Rather than argue your point, your just nitpicking.

Does the fact that Cromartie had 64 tackles make him a good CB? Why do you think SD wants to get rid of him? And why do you think they'll trade him away for an aging RB with a long injury history when they can get someone like Lynch or Choice?

Answer those questions.




When a CB covers the way Deion did, you don't need to tackle. Regardless with the league becoming so pass-happy, CB have to be able to cover and tackle more than ever. Cromartie does neither very well.
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No, but it shows he is more than capable of making tackles. But he is better than any cornerback we have. He's fast as you know what and has the size to match it. He intercepted Peyton Manning 3 times in one game. Who else can say they did that? The Chargers are making him trade bait because of their obvious need for a running back. They have two quality corners in Antoine Cason and Quinton Big Hit Jammer. I'm not saying he's going to the ravens, I'm saying if he did...He would be a huuge upgrade.

I see you post on here all the time, and you're all about "baggage" on a player. Marshawn Lynch has baggage. Why would you throw him out there? His name hasn't ever been mentioned..Fred Jackson is older than Willis McGahee btw.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='17 February 2010 - 02:35 PM' timestamp='1266435343' post='361185']

When a CB covers the way Deion did, you don't need to tackle. Regardless with the league becoming so pass-happy, CB have to be able to cover and tackle more than ever. Cromartie does neither very well.
[/quote]

I was by no means comparing Cromartie to Primetime, just pointing out that Deion is another DB who wanted nothing to do with contact... if Cromartie came here, you best believe Ray Lewis and Co. wouldn't let that slide.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hhlowlow' date='17 February 2010 - 02:45 PM' timestamp='1266435936' post='361202']
No, but it shows he is more than capable of making tackles. But he is better than any cornerback we have. He's fast as you know what and has the size to match it. He intercepted Peyton Manning 3 times in one game. Who else can say they did that? The Chargers are making him trade bait because of their obvious need for a running back. They have two quality corners in Antoine Cason and Quinton Big Hit Jammer. I'm not saying he's going to the ravens, I'm saying if he did...He would be a huuge upgrade.

I see you post on here all the time, and you're all about "baggage" on a player. Marshawn Lynch has baggage. Why would you throw him out there? His name hasn't ever been mentioned..Fred Jackson is older than Willis McGahee btw.
[/quote]

Ty Law picked off Peyton three times in an AFC Championship but I get your point.

I know Beast Mode has baggage but the Bills want to [url="http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/02/05/lynchs-days-in-buffalo-may-be-numbered"]trade him[/url] and multiple news sources have established the common interest the Bills and Chargers have:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Should-the-Chargers-trade-for-Marshawn-Lynch.html

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/15/sproles-not-a-sure-thing-to-return-to-san-diego/


[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='17 February 2010 - 02:48 PM' timestamp='1266436080' post='361207']
I was by no means comparing Cromartie to Primetime, just pointing out that Deion is another DB who wanted nothing to do with contact... [b]if Cromartie came here, you best believe Ray Lewis and Co. wouldn't let that slide.[/b]
[/quote]

You're right about Ray not standing for that but why should another player have to tell a teammate to stop shying away from contact?

[hhlowlow]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='17 February 2010 - 01:55 PM' timestamp='1266436544' post='361221']
Ty Law picked off Peyton three times in an AFC Championship but I get your point.

I know Beast Mode has baggage but the Bills want to [url="http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/02/05/lynchs-days-in-buffalo-may-be-numbered"]trade him[/url] and multiple news sources have established the common interest the Bills and Chargers have:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Should-the-Chargers-trade-for-Marshawn-Lynch.html

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/15/sproles-not-a-sure-thing-to-return-to-san-diego/




You're right about Ray not standing for that but why should another player have to tell a teammate to stop shying away from contact?
[/quote]
San Diego might just draft Dwyer, you never know

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hhlowlow' date='17 February 2010 - 02:57 PM' timestamp='1266436666' post='361226']
San Diego might just draft Dwyer, you never know
[/quote]

That's certainly a possibility. I think they'll try to move Cromartie when FA starts.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='17 February 2010 - 01:55 PM' timestamp='1266436544' post='361221']
Ty Law picked off Peyton three times in an AFC Championship but I get your point.

[/quote]
Ty Law was a beast, press coverage master right there.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='17 February 2010 - 03:09 PM' timestamp='1266437361' post='361239']
Ty Law was a beast, press coverage master right there.
[/quote]

Yep. He used to abuse Marvin Harrison.

[J-man]

I personally don't like Cromartie because his lack of aggressiveness. Yea he's tall and is fast, but he just lacks that football mentality IMO. He just seems to give up on plays, and the fact that the Chargers are willing to trade him is saying something.
And I'm not to big on getting rid of McGahee. Yes, his workload and production has decreased because of Rice's emergence, but McGahee is a great compliment. For example, we used McGahee for the Raiders game, and he produced big, while Rice was resting on the sidelines for his breakout in New England. Let's also not forget who led the team in TD's this year, both rushing and receiving.

The Good:[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPI2eYJkH24&feature=related[/media]

The Bad: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na4cE3m2Gwo[/media]

[MKdave]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='17 February 2010 - 07:55 PM' timestamp='1266436544' post='361221']
Ty Law picked off Peyton three times in an AFC Championship but I get your point.

[/quote]

Cro did it too. Manning had 6 picks that game if I recall.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='MKdave' date='17 February 2010 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1266442043' post='361301']
Cro did it too. Manning had 6 picks that game if I recall.
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I watched that game. Hhlowlow asked what other player had picked off Manning three times in a game and I answered.

[KingHelms52]

Who cares about run support? He's a cornerback, even though a cornerback with good run support is a good thing to have but they are few and far in between and normally one of the other (cover corner w/ no tackling skills; tackling corner w/ poor covering skills) We are lucky enough to have two corners that can do alittle of both in Foxworth and Webb and Carr isn't horrible at run support either. Why not bring Cromartie in to give Ed Reed a little bit of a break when it comes to the deep ball? I think if we get Cromartie that will boost the chances of Ed Reed coming back.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='17 February 2010 - 09:34 PM' timestamp='1266442456' post='361307']
I watched that game. Hhlowlow asked what other player had picked off Manning three times in a game and I answered.
[/quote]

Ah, sorry I thought you were correcting him.