Chargers Exploring Trade For Cromartie

[Tonymontana45]

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3671

The article says that Chargers are exploring trading Cromartie for a RB. How would you guys feel about trading Mcgahee for Cromartie. I personally have mixed feelings. I think we need Mcgahee but if they are going to cut him then I'm all for getting something. I feel our front office will make the best decision but it would be nice to have him Washington, Webb, and Foxsworth

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='Tonymontana45' date='17 February 2010 - 02:25 AM' timestamp='1266391536' post='360873']
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3671

The article says that Chargers are exploring trading Cromartie for a RB. How would you guys feel about trading Mcgahee for Cromartie. I personally have mixed feelings. I think we need Mcgahee but if they are going to cut him then I'm all for getting something. I feel our front office will make the best decision but it would be nice to have him Washington, Webb, and Foxsworth
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I'd do it, but don't know if the Chargers would.

[bravensfan52]

Ozzie wouldnt do this Cromartie is not will to help in run support now if it was AZ and DRC would be a different story lol

[jonnyloback76]

In a split second.

I'm not saying I don't like McGahee; he has definetely been a work horse and just a goal line PUNISHER all last season. But I don't know how much higher his value is going to go, then there are the increases in his pay over the next, what?, 2-3 years is it? Ray Rice practically did what Chris Johnson did last season.

I don't know what's going on with the cap or if the league will have a new CBA in place by March 5th or whatever it is. But out of all the free-agents that are SUPPOSED to be out there, if a new CBA isn't place, teams can put restricted tenders on players so they get draft choices for a player if they are signed by another team. If I don't have that correct, please let me know.

Cromartie is slightly younger and McGahee is still only 28 plus I thought I read LT wants out of SD. If McGahee hits 29-30 years old with the Ravens, I don't know what will happen to his value. Then they could potentially, maybe, get 6-8 years out of Cromartie and without a CBA in place if and when his contract ends, it might keep his cost rather low. Cromartie, Foxworth, Webb as the three CBs to me is just a RIDICULOUS good secondary. Then if they sign Rhodes? WOW!! and will hopefully keep Landry (has he been re-signed yet) Then draft for a solid WR with the 1, a quick coverage LB with the 2 and maybe a solid RB with the 3 along with picking up a WR to go with the #1 WR choice (Bryant will be long gone most likely) - how do you spell Superbole? Sooperbowl? LOL

On a side note, are the Ravens looking at getting another center to kinda "work with" Birk?

[kze]

[quote name='bravensfan52' date='17 February 2010 - 10:17 AM' timestamp='1266398278' post='360883']
Ozzie wouldnt do this Cromartie is not will to help in run support now if it was AZ and DRC would be a different story lol
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na4cE3m2Gwo
Yeah, after seeing this I'm not sure how useful he'd be in run support.

[XxSizzleXx]

I was wondering about this in another thread and still want to know how much it would take to get this guy. I'm not worried about him in run support because look at what we have done to Webb and Foxworth. I would be all for this as long as the price isn't too steep.

[Purple Punishment]

Id be for unloading Willis and his hefty contract to pick strengthen our secondary. Willis played very strong in the red zone but Rice is strides better than McGahee and we have talented backups that can prove to be very valuable!

[Twoo]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='17 February 2010 - 04:51 AM' timestamp='1266400264' post='360889']
I was wondering about this in another thread and still want to know how much it would take to get this guy. [b]I'm not worried about him in run support because look at what we have done to Webb and Foxworth.[/b] I would be all for this as long as the price isn't too steep.
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Exactly.

I'm all for it. McG for Cromartie.

[Alexir]

We really don't need him in run support. Our front 7 rarely let anyone out of the gates. I would get this deal done!

[POE]

I believe this would be a win, win for both sides. Willis is a good back and without taking many carries this past season the health issues are behind him and his stock is up. The guy can still run and proved that when he did get the ball so if there is any interest in him and we are willing to part with him, I see a trade on the herizon. Cromartie had an amazing rookie season and has been sub-par since but so has that entire defense if you ask me. We have a good organization and it seems that when most players come and play here they get better. The guy is young and could become a key asset here in Bmore if given the opportunity. Besides, we really don't know what will happen with Washington and Webb once back from injury so I say go for it and let the guy play in a dominant defense and see how he plays.

[Elmo]

I say go for it... I don't think the Chargers will bite though. I'd even throw in a late roud pick to seal the deal... lol.

Cro's been sub-par for the last 2 seasons, along with the rest of the Chargers defence. A combination of Merriman going down and not being up to full speed yet, and the Chargers leaning more and more on the pass.

[theFRANCHISE]

I'd go for it. I like McGahee, but his trade value may not be any higher, as pointed out earlier. I'll take depth in the secondary over depth at the RB position since RBs are a dime-a-dozen. There'll be plenty of good RBs in the draft and on the market at a great value. On the flip side, there won't be as many halfway-decent cornerbacks available.

[Ed_Reed20]

Cromartie is terrible. Two seasons ago, he was a building block for them. Since then, he's been toasted so many times and missed so many tackles, the Chargers don't want/need him anymore.

We as Ravens fans have complained about the tackling by the CBs. Do you really want the team to bring in a guy that does this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na4cE3m2Gwo

I don't want him here.

[FerrariFan87]

This would be interesting, but I think McGahee for Cromartie straight-up isn't fair for us... if we can get Cromartie and say a 4th round pick, I'd certainly consider that.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='17 February 2010 - 09:52 AM' timestamp='1266418353' post='360934']
This would be interesting, but I think McGahee for Cromartie straight-up isn't fair for us... if we can get Cromartie and say a 4th round pick, I'd certainly consider that.
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Interesting. I don't think it'd be fair for the Chargers.

Cromartie has stunk it up on the field the past two years but is young and can still improve. McGhaee will be 29 next year and has a long history of injuries and surgeries.

A guy I could see the Chargers inquiring about is Marshawn Lynch in Buffalo. The Bills want to get rid of him now that my boy Fred Jackson has established himself as the better player: http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/02/05/lynchs-days-in-buffalo-may-be-numbered

[MKdave]

I think they'd want *atleast* a 3rd with McGahee for Cromartie. They just got rid of a spent back wanting big money. I think they'd much prefer McClain. Him and Sproles could be pretty potent. But if I was GM I wouldn't wanna give anything extra in trading McClain for Cromartie.

[Bltravens]

Cromartie certainly isnt the corner he was 2 years ago, but I almost wonder how much of that is attributed to his hip injury that he played all of 2008 with. And considering that our starting 3 corners right now are Foxworth, Carr and Walker something needs to be done. Getting McGahee for him would be pretty good value but theres no way the Chargers will do that. Id also hate to see McGahee go, hes done everything asked of him, but I firmly believe McGahee can start in the NFL still.

[beasy2487]

I think this trade would be brilliant for us if we could get the chargers to go for it... I don't see how they wouldn't, McGahee is like an LT clone for christ's sake.

Listen, we can go back and forth about how much we need McGahee and how much life he has left blah blah. This is the NFL, all the guys are great athletes and many of them just need the chance to show their skills. Have we forgotten that Ray Rice is our running back of the future and the right now, LeRon McClain is a TWO-TIME pro bowler in TWO YEARS at FB and runs HARD at the RB spot(Honestly I never understood why on the goal line we wouldn't line up the jumbo package with Ngata @ the FB spot and run it with McClain, but I digress), and that we've got promising youngsters like Matt Lawrence and Jalen Parmele on deck?

McGahee is cool and has done a lot for us but this is a business and we need to make our team better in anyway we can, not hold on to the players for sentimental reasons(Buy low, sell high). The guy gets 10 touches max a game, that doesn't warrant what we would pay him or what we give up by keeping him.

Now, to Cromartie. I don't understand all this hubbub about Cromartie in run support or that video, whatever. Do you want me to show you some videos of Ed Reed getting burned? What about Ray? Are they horrible because of it? No. The guys on the other side get paid too. Cromartie could easily just need a change of scenery and defensive philosophy to be great. Look @ Darren Sharper: Came into the league hot, cooled off in his intermediate years, changed his locale and now he's All-Pro again. The notion that what players "like" to do should hinder us from picking them up is fallacious. This is not a democracy, the coaches coach and the players do--period. We need to have confidence that SD's defensive coaches are not Bmore's defensive coaches, and our coaches are the truth.

We need a shutdown corner. Cromartie has those tools and has demonstrated in NFL games that he can make that happen, so what if it's been a little while? The dude is 25 going on 26. Falling out of favor in SD means nothing. This is the same SD team that fired Schottenheimer after a 14-2 and season... come on people.

We've got a great deal in front of us if we can trade 1-for-1 or something along those line. Our coaches will whip Cromartie back into his younger form.. I mean the guy is gona be in his 5th year... coming into the Bmore defense as he hits his prime!

If you look at this objectively, there's no question that this is a move we need to strongly consider making.

[TSizzle00]

Please Ozzie dont trade for Bumartie

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='beasy2487' date='17 February 2010 - 10:10 AM' timestamp='1266419451' post='360939']
I think this trade would be brilliant for us if we could get the chargers to go for it... [b]I don't see how they wouldn't, McGahee is like an LT clone for christ's sake.[/b]

Listen, we can go back and forth about how much we need McGahee and how much life he has left blah blah. This is the NFL, all the guys are great athletes and many of them just need the chance to show their skills. Have we forgotten that Ray Rice is our running back of the future and the right now, LeRon McClain is a TWO-TIME pro bowler in TWO YEARS at FB and runs HARD at the RB spot(Honestly I never understood why on the goal line we wouldn't line up the jumbo package with Ngata @ the FB spot and run it with McClain, but I digress), and that we've got promising youngsters like Matt Lawrence and Jalen Parmele on deck?

McGahee is cool and has done a lot for us but this is a business and we need to make our team better in anyway we can, not hold on to the players for sentimental reasons(Buy low, sell high). The guy gets 10 touches max a game, that doesn't warrant what we would pay him or what we give up by keeping him.

Now, to Cromartie. I don't understand all this hubbub about Cromartie in run support or that video, whatever. [b]Do you want me to show you some videos of Ed Reed getting burned? What about Ray?[/b] Are they horrible because of it? No. The guys on the other side get paid too. Cromartie could easily just need a change of scenery and defensive philosophy to be great. Look @ Darren Sharper: Came into the league hot, cooled off in his intermediate years, changed his locale and now he's All-Pro again. The notion that what players "like" to do should hinder us from picking them up is fallacious. This is not a democracy, the coaches coach and the players do--period. We need to have confidence that SD's defensive coaches are not Bmore's defensive coaches, and our coaches are the truth.

We need a shutdown corner. Cromartie has those tools and has demonstrated in NFL games that he can make that happen, so what if it's been a little while? The dude is 25 going on 26. Falling out of favor in SD means nothing. This is the same SD team that fired Schottenheimer after a 14-2 and season... come on people.

We've got a great deal in front of us if we can trade 1-for-1 or something along those line. Our coaches will whip Cromartie back into his younger form.. I mean the guy is gona be in his 5th year... coming into the Bmore defense as he hits his prime!

If you look at this objectively, there's no question that this is a move we need to strongly consider making.
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McGahee is no L.T. He's been a quality RB in his league but has never carried an offense the way L.T. did in his prime years. And he certainly can't do it now at 28(will be 29 in October) with all mileage on his legs.

Yes, players give up plays; that's the nature of the NFL. However, with Cromartie, it's been routine for the past two years. That hasn't been the case with Ed or Ray. Cromartie's hip injury likely affected him in '08 but there was no talk of that this year and he STILL got routinely victimized.

The other issue I haven't heard people talk about is his contract. CBs are paid top dollar in the NFL. Even though his play as been average, Cromartie would likely want a huge contract. Do the Ravens really want to have both him and Foxworth getting paid big money?

With all that said, I don't see this deal going down anyway. RB is a young man's position. Marshawn Lynch and Tashard Choice are two young quality RBs that seem to be expendable on their current teams and I'm sure the Chargers would rather trade for them than McGahee.

[FerrariFan87]

With two corners coming back from ACL surgeries next season, someone like Cromartie would be a nice insurance policy.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' date='17 February 2010 - 10:32 AM' timestamp='1266420741' post='360951']
With two corners coming back from ACL surgeries next season, someone like Cromartie would be a nice insurance policy.
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Do you think Fabian will be brought back?

[jravens13]

We are going to have to add a draft pick or another player...no way they do it straight up. I would trade McGahee and a 3rd for Cromartie in a heartbeat.

And I hope we don't bring Fabian back...

[indianstick]

I doubt the chargers will agree with mcgahee for cromartie..but mcgahee still has a lot of downs left in him.. when beasy2487 said mcgahee is like an LT clone..i think he meant that they will have similar production at this time in their career..however mcgahee didn't do to bad in a back up role. But still, the chargers are gonna want more than just mcgahee

With that being said..cromartie will enter his 5th season next year..and yea his past season was at most avg in the league..(2008 he had that hip injury)..but he'll be 26 at the start of next season..and he'll be more hungry than ever after losing in the playoffs twice..his second year in the season..he had 10 picks..i don't know but with foxworth..webb..carr..and maybe fabian..i would def give up mcgahee to give this 26 year old a shot..I'm not too worried about run support bc its pretty teachable..we gotta make moves though..and this would be a good start

[indianstick]

magahee and a 3rd or 4th..for cromartie would be solid

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='indianstick' date='17 February 2010 - 11:03 AM' timestamp='1266422636' post='360964']
I doubt the chargers will agree with mcgahee for cromartie..[b]but mcgahee still has a lot of downs left in him..[/b] when beasy2487 said mcgahee is like an LT clone..i think he meant that they will have similar production at this time in their career..however mcgahee didn't do to bad in a back up role. But still, the chargers are gonna want more than just mcgahee...
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How do you know he has a lot left in the tank? With his age and history of injuries, he could break down any time.

[indianstick]

Yeah hes had a lot of injuries..but he came to camp this year in basically the best shape of his life..but rice outperformed him in camp..and he still got 544 yards in a back up role..5 yards per carry is solid and yea if he gets a full load..he'll be more prone to injury..but hes still an effective back and may still have another 1000 yard season in him..but not with the ravens

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='indianstick' date='17 February 2010 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1266423829' post='360972']
Yeah hes had a lot of injuries..but he came to camp this year in basically the best shape of his life..but rice outperformed him in camp..and he still got 544 yards in a back up role..5 yards per carry is solid and yea if he gets a full load..he'll be more prone to injury..but hes still an effective back and may still have another 1000 yard season in him..but not with the ravens
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All good points. However, do you think SD would rather him over players like Marshawn Lynch or Tashard Choice?

[hhlowlow]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='17 February 2010 - 08:47 AM' timestamp='1266418032' post='360931']
Cromartie is terrible. Two seasons ago, he was a building block for them. Since then, he's been toasted so many times and missed so many tackles, the Chargers don't want/need him anymore.

We as Ravens fans have complained about the tackling by the CBs. Do you really want the team to bring in a guy that does this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na4cE3m2Gwo

I don't want him here.
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Antonio Cromartie has 64 tackles last year for teh Chargers..which is fantastic for corners..and Ed_Reed20 says he's had horrible years ahahha

[hhlowlow]

Let's be real here, the guy had 10 interceptions in his sophomore year. He's a balla. he benefited from a strong pass rush back then though..aka a healthy shawn merriman and shaun phillips. The chargers won't straight up trade cromartie for mcgahee