Sheldon Brown

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I have a suggestion, which hopefully has not been posted yet. If it has, I apologize. I've always been a fan of Sheldon Brown. He plays with a certain physicality, as well as impressive awareness, and has been considered as a very solid player over the last few years. In fact, he only allowed 1 TD a Season ago, which was in the Postseason, to Larry Fitzgerald. I understand that age may be a concern, considering he's 30, but he hasn't missed a single game in his 8 year career. I feel that because our CB group is young and inexperienced, he may serve as a good mentor for the likes of Webb and Foxworth. He's been somewhat disgruntled with the Eagles, and they would be willing to part ways with him, especially after acquiring Ellis Hobbs, for a fair price. I'm all for drafting a CB this year. However, in my opinion, hardly any of them look to be ready to start right away. If Webb is unavailable and Washington isn't resigned, both scenarios seemingly likely to happen, I would at least consider trading for Sheldon. With no prior character issues, having a keen understanding of playing both Zone and Man, and an ability to consistently support against the run, the pros seem to outweigh the cons. This is only a suggestion, so please don't be too harsh if you disagree. Any thoughts?

[Ed_Reed20]

I've always liked Sheldon. However, when you say none of the CBs in the draft look ready start, that doesn't some aren't and won't succeed. I doubt you knew that rookie CBs Webb, Powers, Lacey or Bowman would be starters for their teams this time last year.

Sheldon is a good player but the CB class is strong this year and the Ravens usually draft good corners.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='14 February 2010 - 10:24 PM' timestamp='1266204247' post='359934']
I've always liked Sheldon. However, when you say none of the CBs in the draft look ready start, that doesn't some aren't and won't succeed. I doubt you knew that rookie CBs Webb, Powers, Lacey or Bowman would be starters for their teams this time last year.

Sheldon is a good player but the CB class is strong this year and the Ravens usually draft good corners.
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I would have to argue with you that Lacey, Powers and Webb were all inserted due to injury. Bowman was the only CB to actually have played out his counterpart for the starting position. That's not at all to say that Webb didn't deserve the nod. In fact, I was one of the fans calling for him to replace Washington. But my point was only that I don't see them being successful during the first 6 weeks, if Webb is in fact on the PUP list. I am however more-so skeptical of the Ravens draft choices regarding CBs. Aside from Lardarius Webb, the Ravens haven't drafted a successful CB since Chris McAlister. Since 1999, the Ravens only drafted the following CBs: Gary Baxter, Lamont Brightful, Derrick Martin, David Pittman. Considering none of them came into their own, I'm still a little concerned about our next selection. Hopefully, I'm dead wrong.

[indianstick]

I think there are plenty of corners in this draft that could at least play nickle in the first six weeks next season, and maybe even eventually start in the league like patrick robinson-fsu, kyle wilson- Boise state, kareem jackson- alabama, syquad thompson- cal, perrish cox oklahoma state, jerome murphy- fsu. it would ultimately depend on how they do in the combine, but i think they could each be solid corners in the nfl..but if we are able to get sheldon brown, then we would def. be able to get a wr before we get a corner in the draft. Sheldon brown has proven through out his career that he is a good corner so I wouldn't mind him playing for us at all. It would be awesome if they would do a troy smith for sheldon brown trade. Then we could get a wr first round or we could get someone who can play on the line as a DE position who could help withe pass rush and eventually take over trevor pryce/dawan edwards spot..like brandon graham-michigan or coorey wootton-northwestern..and then pick a wr in the second..like lafell or damian williams (..hopefully they will be there in the second round)..but that would be ideal

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

[quote name='indianstick' date='15 February 2010 - 12:30 AM' timestamp='1266211812' post='359996']
I think there are plenty of corners in this draft that could at least play nickle in the first six weeks next season, and maybe even eventually start in the league like patrick robinson-fsu, kyle wilson- Boise state, kareem jackson- alabama, syquad thompson- cal, perrish cox oklahoma state, jerome murphy- fsu. it would ultimately depend on how they do in the combine, but i think they could each be solid corners in the nfl..but if we are able to get sheldon brown, then we would def. be able to get a wr before we get a corner in the draft. Sheldon brown has proven through out his career that he is a good corner so I wouldn't mind him playing for us at all. It would be awesome if they would do a troy smith for sheldon brown trade. Then we could get a wr first round or we could get someone who can play on the line as a DE position who could help withe pass rush and eventually take over trevor pryce/dawan edwards spot..like brandon graham-michigan or coorey wootton-northwestern..and then pick a wr in the second..like lafell or damian williams (..hopefully they will be there in the second round)..but that would be ideal
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It would definitely help us move out focus to other positions, so that'd be a plus. But considering that the Eagles may actually trade away one of their QBs, I wouldn't consider Troy as a player they'd be interested in. But if they do part with Brian Westbrook, it would be more likely to see a trade involving McGahee and Brown. That's something I'd be happy to see for both sides of the deal. Just a fantasy now though.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' date='14 February 2010 - 11:57 PM' timestamp='1266209857' post='359982']
I would have to argue with you that Lacey, Powers and Webb were all inserted due to injury. Bowman was the only CB to actually have played out his counterpart for the starting position. That's not at all to say that Webb didn't deserve the nod. In fact, I was one of the fans calling for him to replace Washington. But my point was only that I don't see them being successful during the first 6 weeks, if Webb is in fact on the PUP list. I am however more-so skeptical of the Ravens draft choices regarding CBs. Aside from Lardarius Webb, the Ravens haven't drafted a successful CB since Chris McAlister. Since 1999, the Ravens only drafted the following CBs: Gary Baxter, Lamont Brightful, Derrick Martin, David Pittman. Considering none of them came into their own, I'm still a little concerned about our next selection. Hopefully, I'm dead wrong.
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Good points. However, the asking price for Brown may be a bit steep and that's why I'd rather the draft a CB.

As for the CBs you named that the Ravens have drafted, Brightful and Martin were late-round guys that the Ravens would have been happy just to see them become nickels. Baxter and Pittman were selected in the second and third rounds respectively and we all know what became of them.

Still, I think this year's CB class is strong enough for the Ravens to draft a, or even two, good CBs.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='LosT_in_TranSlatioN' date='14 February 2010 - 11:57 PM' timestamp='1266209857' post='359982']
I would have to argue with you that Lacey, Powers and Webb were all inserted due to injury. Bowman was the only CB to actually have played out his counterpart for the starting position. That's not at all to say that Webb didn't deserve the nod. In fact, I was one of the fans calling for him to replace Washington. But my point was only that I don't see them being successful during the first 6 weeks, if Webb is in fact on the PUP list. I am however more-so skeptical of the Ravens draft choices regarding CBs. Aside from Lardarius Webb, the Ravens haven't drafted a successful CB since Chris McAlister. Since 1999, the Ravens only drafted the following CBs: Gary Baxter, Lamont Brightful, Derrick Martin, David Pittman. Considering none of them came into their own, I'm still a little concerned about our next selection. Hopefully, I'm dead wrong.
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Due to injury, yes, but it doesn't matter if they proved to the coaches and the fans that they were good enough to start. A free agent could have been brought in when Fabian went down, but Webb showed promise the entire off-season. Plus, it's hard to bench a starting CB that's making millions of dollars more than a rookie.

I really like Sheldon Brown and think he's a very under-praised CB in the league. He has good value at only making $1.7 million this year, but if we do draft him we'd inherit his contract (2009: $1.7 million, 2010: $2.5 million, 2011: $3.5 million, 2012: $4.25 million, 2013: Free Agent). I think Philly would want to be over compensated for him like with Willis McGahee or a 2nd and 4th round pick. He's the right player, but we won't get him for the right price when Philly still sees value in him as their starting CB. That being said I totally agree we need a savvy veteran to mentor our young CB corps. There are several other good Vets in the FA and we might not want a true starter but someone in the supporting cast to just keep Webb's seat warm til he gets back.

I think we should tender Fabian Washington with a 1st or 2nd round pick and hope another team bites on him. Technically we could put a low tender on him and then receive his original draft round which is a 1st round pick. I believe that Webb outplayed him and he was a weak link in run support. I just hope we can get good value for him. Even an early 2nd round pick can get us a very good CB, WR, TE, DT, or DE in return. Even if we trade for Brown or sign a veteran free agent CB we still need more depth through the draft. The better our depth is the more it'll push our starters. Not to mention we have a terrible trend of losing starting CBs late in the season.

(Edit: Actually a straight-up trade McGahee for Brown could be an option if we can't get more value for him like Malcolm Floyd, etc. It also would send him to the NFC bc if we just cut him you know he'll be in Cleveland like Jamal. Brown, Foxworth, Webb, Carr = Very solid CB Corps and we can finally be done with it and work on other positions.)

[Yooniboy]

ive always loved how sheldon brown tackles,
i still remember the hits on reggie bush and steven jackson.

but i think the ravens are pretty solid in corners in 2010.
because they r very good at drafting, and they will likely make a move in the free agent signing period.

i dont think that sheldon will be wearing a ravens jersey in 2010, but if he does,
he would contribute to the young corners we hav. and maybe blow up some ballcarriers