Pro Bowl Voting = A Joke.

[BrownsFan]

What a joke of voting done in the Pro Bowl. In years past I've never had input on this topic because well, we've sucked and had no pro-bowlers. Now this year we revamp our OL to be one of the best in the league and bring an explosive offense and only two players get in? Are you serious?

How Joe Thomas and Derek Anderson got snubbed is absolutely ridiculous when considering who got in. Just like most other sports.. a popularity contest is all it is for the most part.

Any Ravens players get the snub?

[JonM229]

McGahee did

[MKdave]

every ravens player not in the pro bowl got snubbed.

Especially troy smith.

in all seriousness, It was kind of unfair that we had more probowlers than you.

the 1 snub that comes to mind is willis McGahee.

the anti-snub we got is JO.

[JonM229]

You can thank Manning and Brady for having Anderson snubbed.

[BrownsFan]

McGahee not getting in is a tough one.. RB was such a stacked position this year in the AFC. Even Fred Taylor didn't get in who I really thought deserved a spot.

I can live with Anderson (although as much as it irritates me, I can see why they took Ben) and Winslow, Jr. not getting in.. although IMO they should of been but I can accept it. What I really get irked by is Steinbach and Thomas not making it. That to me is absolutely ridiculous. Those two guys have single-handedly revamped our OL and allowed 12 sacks all season.. Joe Thomas only allowing *1* (and that was last week) and neither of them get voted in. Such a ripoff.

And honestly this is not to bash in any way but seriously... Jonathan Ogden? Yes he is a beast LT and has been for a long time but the Pro Bowl *this* season? Give me a break.

[MKdave]

you might wanna change your sig, they're not potential probowlers anymore, they're just not pro bowlers.

[BrownsFan]

You can thank Manning and Brady for having Anderson snubbed.

My stance on the QB is while Anderson is having an insane year, I'm not completely shocked he didn't make it. You knew Brady and Manning was getting in automatically. Ben goes in as the 3rd QB and well, the numbers are close but it's hard to argue against it unfortunately.

Ben (29 TDs/11 INTs) vs. Derek (26 TDs/14 INTs) with Derek having approx. 400 more passing yards. It's close but ultimately I get why Ben went. They both deserve it.

[BrownsFan]

you might wanna change your sig, they're not potential probowlers anymore, they're just not pro bowlers.

Hey they are potential pro bowlers, they've played like it. It's not my fault voters suck.

[MKdave]

Hey they are potential pro bowlers, they've played like it. It's not my fault voters suck.

It is if you didnt vote 30 times. (like I did)

[Jamal]

Your QB was much more deserving than Big Ben. The biggest snub that comes to my mind for the ravens is Kelly Gregg.

[theFRANCHISE]

Well, consolation prize is, McGahee is a second alternate, so if one of the three backs can't make it for some reason, McGahee will get the nod.

See, Derek Anderson definitely should've gotten the third QB slot, though. Roethlisberger is having a good year and all, but he owes a lot of that to Hines Ward and Willie Parker playing well, and Santonio Holmes breaking out.

Anderson was just plain having a good year, period. Yes, Winslow and Edwards helped, but it's not as if Jamal Lewis was that big of a threat on the ground (no offense) that it made Anderson better in any way other than clock management.

And frankly, after Anderson, the only other AFC QB that I think would be worthy of a Pro Bowl nod would be David Garrard, who has played virtually mistake-free football for the Jaguars all season. HIGHLY underrated.

[Marjax]

I agree, Garrard is having a solid season. But he's not putting up numbers like the QBs that got in. You look at New England and you say they're winning because Tom Brady has thrown for almost 50 TDs. You look at Jacksonville and you say they're winning because they don't turn the ball over and have a good defense. So I can understand the argument for Garrard, but I can also understand why he didn't get in.

I can understand Thomas not getting in too. Yes, he's done a tremendous job for a breakout team. But you've REALLY gotta be something special to make the pro bowl as a rookie. That doesn't happen much with linemen, especially a lineman for a team scrapping for the final spot in the wildcard race. If we were winning our division by a good margin, maybe then Thomas would get the national recognition.

I don't understand how Steinbach didn't make it though. I know the voting counts 1/3, but he was the top lineman vote-getter in the AFC. Of all 3 positions. Mankins, yeah, he's on the undefeated Patriots. Faneca got in due to his history of pro bowls, much like J. Ogden. Kris Dielman? Really? I thought the Chargers OLine wasn't doing nearly as good as it had been in years past?

Not to sell Ray short, but I'm glad DeMeco Ryans got the starting nod. Kid's been amazing for the value the Texans got with him falling to the 2nd round. That said, how did Mario Williams get the snub? I know he's turned it on a lot more in the past few weeks, but he could easily end up leading the league in sacks.

[theFRANCHISE]

No offense to Jonathan Ogden, but I really don't think he should've gotten the Pro Bowl nod this year. Just like in 2005, this was simply a case of name recognition and voters not knowing who else to vote for. Ogden barely played this season, and had that been the case playing any other position (such as McAlister & Rolle at corner), he would not have gotten in. I feel that the voting ballot for the fans should NOT include offensive or even defensive linemen, since the casual fan only pays attention to the skill position players. The coaches and players should make up 100% of that vote, or the press should have some sort of larger presence when voting for the linemen.

I'm fine with DeMeco Ryans getting the starting nod over Ray since he's the future of the NFL linebacker, along with Patrick Willis of the 49ers on the NFC side. At least Ray still got the recognition for what has essentially amounted to a career revival of sorts these past two seasons after an injury-plagued 2005 campaign.

But I'll still stand by my case that Garrard and/or Anderson should've gotten that 3rd QB slot over Roethlisberger by virtue of their importance to their respective teams. The Browns have been successful not because of Jamal Lewis' so-called "career revival," but because Anderson has played smart and played VERY WELL, period. The Jaguars struggled with Quinn Gray in relief of Garrard, which further understates his importance to Jacksonville's playoff-bound campaign. Garrard made very few mistakes and put his team in a position to win, rather than protecting a lead like Roethlisberger did many times. Without Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh would still have Charlie Batch to play clock management while Willie Parker heads towards the endzone. Willie Parker is responsible for the Steelers' success on offense, not necessarily Roethlisberger.

Take Anderson out, and the Browns are stuck with Jamal Lewis running against 8 men in the box and stuck in 1st gear at the line of scrimmage like 2005 and 2006. Take Garrard out, and it's easy to negate Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew's combo ground game by forcing turnovers.

But again, take Roethlisberger out, and Willie Parker can still literally carry the Steelers to victory.

[Marjax]

All good points.

But then again, the Steelers are winning their division. The Browns and Jags are not. Not to say it impacts how good respective quarterbacks are, but I bet it impacts peoples' opinions on who should go to the Pro Bowl.

One thing I think is a joke: no Jaguars and no Buccaneers. Two playoff teams with zero pro bowlers. Come on, now.

[BrownsFan]

Fred Taylor definitely should of made the Pro Bowl IMO. I know the AFC is a bit stacked but still, not having him there is ridiculous to me.

[MKdave]

I think Garrard was a bigger snub than taylor. the guy threw 2 picks all season, that's crazy concentration. I attribute their great year more to him playing turnover free football than taylors solid running.

Ball control and great defense, now doesnt that sound familar?

[Raven07]

one of the better points that were made apparent in this season's Pro Bowl Selections??????

Sean Taylor was voted as the Starting player.....nice to see the support...

[MKdave]

one of the better points that were made apparent in this season's Pro Bowl Selections??????

Sean Taylor was voted as the Starting player.....nice to see the support...

maybe they'll do what the 'skins did and start with 10 guys...

[Raven07]

it be cool to see again....and seeing how Sean is the "starting" player......we might see that happen

[Jamal]

Was Patrick Willis voted in?

[theFRANCHISE]

Yes, Patrick Willis was voted in as the starting middle linebacker for the NFC (thankfully).

And yes, it's likely that the NFC in their first snap on defense will play with only 10 guys, and if the AFC is informed ahead of time, will likely kneel down on the first offensive snap, as the Bills should have for the Redskins in that first game after Sean Taylor's passing.

[USF BULLS RAVEN]

The NFC South...no Bucs?

[GARavenFan]

Fred Taylor definitely should of made the Pro Bowl IMO. I know the AFC is a bit stacked but still, not having him there is ridiculous to me.

I could not agree more! Fred Taylor and David Garrard should be in. Taylor passed Tiki Barber ,Eddie George two weeks ago and is well over the 10,000 yards and yet has never been selected to the Pro Bowl. A joke! Garrard has been just about flawless. It really is a popularity contest and also has to do with the fact that Jacksonville is the 2nd smallest market in the NFL, not recognized. These players really have earned the spot and deserve the respect.

[Tiz]

What a joke of voting done in the Pro Bowl. In years past I've never had input on this topic because well, we've sucked and had no pro-bowlers. Now this year we revamp our OL to be one of the best in the league and bring an explosive offense and only two players get in? Are you serious?

How Joe Thomas and Derek Anderson got snubbed is absolutely ridiculous when considering who got in. Just like most other sports.. a popularity contest is all it is for the most part.

Any Ravens players get the snub?

So obviously you think DA should have beaten out Ben huh. I think DA played well but don't think he got snubbed as the 3rd spot could have gone either way.

[BrownsFan]

I actually meant to correct that post and forgot to LOL. Thanks for bringing it up though.

As far as Anderson I felt like he could of been the #3 QB but at the same time, I can't argue against Big Ben. If there were 4 QBs taken he'd be in IMO. I honestly thought Ben's numbers were worse than I initially thought when I wrote that post but after researching, I was wrong on that. Thomas I feel however most *definitely* got snubbed.

[Raven07]

yea man...Fred Taylor has definately been jipped out of this one (in my oppinon) cuz the guy is playing some great football and getting those extra yards and breaking those big runs and Scoring...virtually everything to can think of this year...Fred has done it in some aspect

[ReED jucate]

I would sacrifice 3 of JO's appearances just to see Kelly Gregg get 1. He really deserves it and nobody ever notices that when a RB is tackled behind or at the line it is usually Gregg with the stop. Totally underated.

[Raven07]

kelly definately deserves a Spot....but hey look on the bright side of things....he's always a Pro Bowler to us and this team! for what he's done to help us out as a team....and for that he can take great pride in.

[JonM229]

They should make Gregg a captain for this coming game.

[Raven07]

that be pretty cool...seeing how we rotate captains sometimes...