Cornerbacks Of 2010

[3-4ravdef509]

I suppose. But those stats don't account for times when he was beat and tried to hard to make up for it and getting flagged.
Idk. Webb was a great late round pick. I'd say we can find better than Foxworth if we follow that same formula. In a passing league I want someone better.
And shutting Randy Moss out this year wasn't hard. He had one of his worst years in 2009. Patiots became a Wes Welker dominated team.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='08 February 2010 - 10:09 AM' timestamp='1265641763' post='357236']
I suppose. But those stats don't account for times when he was beat and tried to hard to make up for it and getting flagged.
Idk. Webb was a great late round pick. I'd say we can find better than Foxworth if we follow that same formula. In a passing league I want someone better.
And shutting Randy Moss out this year wasn't hard. He had one of his worst years in 2009. Patiots became a Wes Welker dominated team.
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I can tell you he wasn't flagged in either the KC, Pats or Vikings games.

As deep as this year's CB class is, drafting one that will be better than Foxworth right away is very unlikely.

And shutting Moss down is never easy. Their O has run through Welker since '07 but Moss is still the guy lights up the scoreboard and he routinely did it in '09. However, in both games against Foxworth, he was held in check.

[3-4ravdef509]

Teams that held Moss Under 75 yards...11 out of the 16 games he started in. Out of those 11, 6 of them held him to 50 or less (We held him to 50)
Not the same playmaker he used to be. And the key thing is that we had pressure against NE, KC, and MIN. So plays didn't last long enough for deep routes to be ran.
Ofcourse, pressure came back to bite us in the but during some of those games with penalites, but the point being it was there. In the Colts game he covered well early, but as the game progressed Manning and Wayne tore him apart. And the pass interferance call on him led to their first td. And we had little pressure on Manning. There lies to connection.

[63bru]

Foxworth does have an issue with penalties, but unlike Frank Walker, Fox has proven that he can cover legitimately. With a new coach, maybe we can get the penalty complex out of him.

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='08 February 2010 - 11:20 AM' timestamp='1265646000' post='357276']
Teams that held Moss Under 75 yards...11 out of the 16 games he started in. Out of those 11, 6 of them held him to 50 or less (We held him to 50)
Not the same playmaker he used to be. And the key thing is that we had pressure against NE, KC, and MIN. So plays didn't last long enough for deep routes to be ran.
Ofcourse, pressure came back to bite us in the but during some of those games with penalites, but the point being it was there. In the Colts game he covered well early, but as the game progressed Manning and Wayne tore him apart. And the pass interferance call on him led to their first td. And we had little pressure on Manning. There lies to connection.
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Both KC and Minn had 50 yard plays. They were often looking for the deep route, and our pressure was anything but consistent. Foxworth did not give up either long plays. Fabian Washington was the one that often got beaten deep, not Foxworth. Deep coverage was not Foxworth's problem. He gave up two plays over 35 all year, including playoffs. I don't see deep coverage as his weakness. Reggie Wayne was not beating him with deep routes. He had a lot of short passes when Foxworth was playing soft coverage. He got 62 yards the first time and 48 the second, with no TD's. I'd hardly call that being torn apart, not great, but not annihilated either. I thought the PI was questionable. I'm not calling him anything close to shutdown, but he is not the one we need to replace.

[3-4ravdef509]

believe me, while I defended walker earlier, I was not making the claim he's better than Foxworth.
Rather that Foxworth only operates well on short quick routes, and average on medium routes. Offenses like the Colts, Saints (who we play next year) and qbs like Rothlesberger who can run around and extend plays (who we play twice) require cbs with better cover skills than Foxworth. Washington plays cover better but can't tackle as well.
So its just better to try and find someone better. There are better cbs out there.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='gilgamesh' date='08 February 2010 - 11:55 AM' timestamp='1265648121' post='357312']
Both KC and Minn had 50 yard plays. They were often looking for the deep route, and our pressure was anything but consistent. Foxworth did not give up either long plays. Fabian Washington was the one that often got beaten deep, not Foxworth. Deep coverage was not Foxworth's problem. He gave up two plays over 35 all year, including playoffs. I don't see deep coverage as his weakness. Reggie Wayne was not beating him with deep routes. He had a lot of short passes when Foxworth was playing soft coverage. He got 62 yards the first time and 48 the second, with no TD's. I'd hardly call that being torn apart, not great, but not annihilated either. I thought the PI was questionable. I'm not calling him anything close to shutdown, but he is not the one we need to replace.
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I think when a cornerback leads your team in pass interferences its time to replace him, or make efforts to address the problem. and I'll repeat what I've been saying, he commits these penalties when he is beat, and often deep. The yards he gave up in penalties are bigger than the yards he gave up throughout the year. The one in the Colts game was critical. We would have held them to a FG for the first half had they not gotten all that yardage.
I just don't see him living up to his contract. Neither Foxworth nor Washington are worth holding on to.
And all of Wayne's yards came from Foxworth. They isolated him as the game progressed.
103 out of about 250 total yards on pass interference calls.
the rest came from mason and walker.
note...washington only had one PI the entire year.

[charchboii]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='08 February 2010 - 01:21 PM' timestamp='1265649681' post='357331']
I think when a cornerback leads your team in pass interferences its time to replace him, or make efforts to address the problem. and I'll repeat what I've been saying, he commits these penalties when he is beat, and often deep. The yards he gave up in penalties are bigger than the yards he gave up throughout the year. The one in the Colts game was critical. We would have held them to a FG for the first half had they not gotten all that yardage.
I just don't see him living up to his contract. Neither Foxworth nor Washington are worth holding on to.
And all of Wayne's yards came from Foxworth. They isolated him as the game progressed.
103 out of about 250 total yards on pass interference calls.
the rest came from mason and walker.
note...washington only had one PI the entire year.
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half of the pass interfernce calls on foxy were questionable.washington had more then one pass interference calls. Remember(colts, bengels). and walker lead our team in PI when you think of playin time and opportunties

[ROH522155]

I dont understand it when people talk about how Fowworth played so poorly. I thought he played well most of the year especially the 2nd half.

[McBurks]

Many things to look forward to next year,our back up corners proved they were valuble when they stepped up in the second half of the season,Webb proved he will be a good corner and hopefully he can recover and the addition of pass rushers.

[gilgamesh]

Foxworth PIs:SD 1-12yds, Cincy 1-declined, Den 1-39yds, GB 1-18yds, Indy 1-13yds. That is either him not committing PI's every time he is beaten deep, or he is not getting beaten deep very often. PI's are the most judgmental calls a ref can make. Revis can pull on a jersey and not get called, but Foxworth getting there at the same moment as the ball does get called. The point is that he was not as bad in deep coverage as you remember. If he was so bad, we would have given up a lot more points than we did because of the quality of QB's and receivers we faced last year, not to mention our wildly inconsistent pass rush. I don't think he is worth his contract yet, but I think Ozzie brought him in to learn as well as contribute right away (this was his first season as a full-time starter).

[3-4ravdef509]

They were often at critical times of the game. And by deep, I did not mean 30 40 yards each time, but rather more than 15 yards, which most of them were.
I'll relent though. Pass interferance is subjective, that's true. I still don't see the value in keeping him as a starter though. Plenty of talent out there.
And you are very correct about our inconsistent pass rush. If that doesn't get better, even Webb will have difficulties next year.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='08 February 2010 - 05:56 PM' timestamp='1265669819' post='357550']
They were often at critical times of the game. And by deep, I did not mean 30 40 yards each time, but rather more than 15 yards, which most of them were.
I'll relent though. Pass interferance is subjective, that's true. I still don't see the value in keeping him as a starter though. Plenty of talent out there.
And you are very correct about our inconsistent pass rush. If that doesn't get better, even Webb will have difficulties next year.
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You need to rewatch every game from week 8 on and youll see just how talented Foxy is.

[3-4ravdef509]

I was whining too much about Cam to focus on our defense's performance.
And I'll admit, anyone trying to come on and fill the shoes of our former corners has his work cut out for him.
I remember him having a good day at Chicago...but at the time that didn't seem to impressive. I really keep having flashbacks to the touchdown at the Colts and Pittsburg that were on him. But we're talking about Manning and Ben, with Ward and Wayne. Not The easiest match-ups.

[ROH522155]

Yea you have to keep in mind that this was our first season with a new defensive coordinator and we played SO many great quarterbacks.

[3-4ravdef509]

We did...and how many teams did we play with them coming of their bye week? I swear, the nfl loves to do that to us.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='08 February 2010 - 06:10 PM' timestamp='1265670646' post='357565']
We did...and how many teams did we play with them coming of their bye week? I swear, the nfl loves to do that to us.
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3 teams in a row I believe......The Broncos, Bengals, and Browns

[charchboii]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' date='08 February 2010 - 06:56 PM' timestamp='1265669819' post='357550']
They were often at critical times of the game. And by deep, I did not mean 30 40 yards each time, but rather more than 15 yards, which most of them were.
I'll relent though. Pass interferance is subjective, that's true. I still don't see the value in keeping him as a starter though. Plenty of talent out there.
And you are very correct about our inconsistent pass rush. If that doesn't get better, even Webb will have difficulties next year.
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none of those penalties were at really critical times

[3-4ravdef509]

And then Greenbay...I thought there was one more.
Playing Greenbay off ther bay at their stadium...who would win that game> the Vikings?

[DocMartin]

[quote name='display name' date='07 February 2010 - 10:49 AM' timestamp='1265557765' post='356434']
Will Rolle be back? What will Webb do? Fabian Washinton's production? Draft? Trade? Frank Walker cut? Hope with all my heart he is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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IMHO, there is only one thing certain - Foxworth is the starter, everything else is a question mark, but I'm gonna shine some light on it, just keep it simple
1) Foxworth - CB #1
2) Webb very possible - CB #2
3) Washington, if coming back, maybe #2 or backup
4) Rolle is most likely done, unfortunately
5) Carr - nickelback & punt returns
6) Draft a rookie CB
7) * If you already cut Walker, draft another rookie CB
** If you cut Walker, and didn't draft another rookie CB, sign an inexpensive free agent CB
*** If you afterall still have Frank Walker on the roster, you can try to call Deion Sanders and if that doesn't work, you just have to pray a lot, all season